Re: Moldies are Moldy-Was:LDA Therapy for mold

October 30, 2010

fingerprint smoothing and low nk, virus infections, pathogens, etc is also

classic cfs which is obviously a genearalized term but can be related to more

than mold. (cc I think is cross contaminated?)..

I just learned I am pos for the cfs retrovirus, xmrv.. another cytokine storm

maker..

I can see my kids grow bags under their eyes in smelly stores like walmart.. in

this case I beleive its the chemicals. but we can go in fine and before long..

bags under eyes, red eyes and purple under eyes.

your neuro symptoms sound very similar to mine.. im not sure mine are mold

related every time but I could tell when i was exposed to dust in old house..

bam.. fast and hard, brain inflammation starting in sinuses and then right into

brain.

I also have tremors.. b12 hydroxy and or methyl and transdermal glutathione

helped the most. I dont think mine are immediately triggered by environment

though I have noticed my gait will come and go. Was once in a museum in DC and

gait went off bad.. fatigue came on quickly.. left the building and I was fine.

Thats back before my chronic fatigue set in .. now I am not fine most of the

time.

Robin

>

> How immediate is immediate? Hard to imagine immediate bags under eyes and

bruises all over. Do you mean by immediate within 24 hours? Also what is 'cc

house' and 'cc cars'? Thanks

October 31, 2010

The bruises are not inatant of course, which is why i said they were chronic as

opposed to acute. i prob did not write this too clearly as my mind is a bit

foggy however yes i do get bags under my eyes straight away. Cc= cross

contaminated.

>

> How immediate is immediate? Hard to imagine immediate bags under eyes and

bruises all over. Do you mean by immediate within 24 hours? Also what is 'cc

house' and 'cc cars'? Thanks

October 31, 2010

No the bruises are not immediate which is why i said chronic rarher than acute.

Yep bags under eyes, or peraps i should say rings are immediate. My brain is

pretty foggy so im may not be communicating things clearly.ncc = cross

contamination

>

> How immediate is immediate? Hard to imagine immediate bags under eyes and

bruises all over. Do you mean by immediate within 24 hours? Also what is 'cc

house' and 'cc cars'? Thanks

October 31, 2010

Robin, dry skin was problem with my cat, so ended wash w a rinse that included

bath oil. Over did it a little so she looked oily for awhile but solved

problem. In fact when extra oil finally worked it's way out of her coat it

looked healthier than ever. I used Skin So Soft to help her avoid fleas.

Incidentally she had no evidence of fleas after using that although I do let her

go out and there is a woods behind house. You can use other oils for that like

lemon oil on coat. Mayleen clued me in on that.

>

> Not at all to challenge Tug, but at least in my case, Im wondering the same

thing Barb and trying to figure out connections, possible triggers (mold?

chemical? what I eat?). Its not easy to sort this out..

>

> Die off? Flare of bacteria, fungal infection? ????? The recycling of toxins

still in the body?

>

October 31, 2010

Robin,

If any of the " less sugar " products had aspartame that could be a source of

reaction. Strongly affects the nervous system and emotions of some people.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[] Re: Moldies are Moldy-Was: " LDA Therapy for mold "

yeah.. ive been indulging in endangerd species brand dark choc.. half the sugar

of a candy bar and even that is too much.. then I go nuts with the halloween

candy.. ugh.. I dont know how the heck people around here eat and drink so much

sugar and are well or seemingly well.. frustrating.

Once we are better settled in its back to limited to no grains and sugar.

Robin

>

> I feel awful after sugar. Dont eat it often but occasionally forget how

little i can handle. Figure it is fungus Candida or i'm pre diabetic. Have

experienced it for a long time.

October 31, 2010

I stay away from aspartame. The Engdangered Species choc is all natural..they

just use half the sugar.. once you get used to it, other chocolates are too

sweet. I do fine with Endangered Species in moderation.

I ate halloween candy and too much but Im not sure that is the cause. I took out

the diflican, kept in the csm and out the nasal spray with grapefruit seed

extract.. this is coming from my sinuses and going into my brain..

I dont know if my parents house triggered it with a fungal exposure or the rec

center room we were in the same night ( mold or gas.. the gas was obvious... I

didnt see mold, but we know how that goes) or the increased intake of sugar

combined with the diflucan or a concidental die off from the diflucan. Of course

there is a possibility of a lyme flare in this mix and if it doesnt calm down in

a few days, Im adding in herbs for lyme to see what happens or posisbly going

half dose with the diflucan or using an herbal antifungal.. got to learn how to

think and feel this out. at this point, whether lyme of fungus.. or some other

bacteria.. think i need to control and not overkill the kill.

Things have calmed down today, but still inflammed and still in sinuses and

brain.

There was a strange smell in my parents house. I expected it to smell fresh with

all the work they have done, but it didnt. My dad smokes sausage and he smelled

and I cant tell if that was it or something else.. it was an off smell from the

smoke smell, which has its own particular funk..

another day, another trial.. I hope to remember not to trial out more than one

place at a time if I can help it. Same with medical interventions.. I was taking

diclucan while starting the csm.. no way to tell if intensification reaction

from csm and gauge dosing from that or die off from diflucan.

Robin

>

> Robin,

>

> If any of the " less sugar " products had aspartame that could be a source of

reaction. Strongly affects the nervous system and emotions of some people.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

> (fm my Blackberry)

>

October 31, 2010

I also have immediate reactions and I consider that a useful thing as we can

get out ASAP from whatever is the trigger.

The bruising is called " spontaneous bruising " Barb and it is scarey to say the

least. Dr. Rea says its caused from disturbance in your blood coagulation caused

from toxins. I have experineced it.

> >

> > Im wondering why my reactions are so very different toeveryone elses.... I

get immediate effects not delayed ones. Immediately i get itchy nose, inner

ears, eyes, bags under eyes, feeling of weakness, tremors in the morning i will

often have swollen fingers and arm, i also get disconnected weird thoguht, brain

fog, and strange dreams. The chronic health problems i have are classic mould

symptoms, bruising all over, fingerprints smoothing, damage to most of my

organs, mcs, low wbc, low nk, recurrent infections and viruses, When i removed

clothes from contaminated house from a plastic bag i got instant nauseous, bags

under eyes and weakness, I do not get these immediare symptoms ANYWHERE outside

of the wdb or the cc house or 3 cc cars but i still get very severe mcs symptons

elsewhere which are completly different to the mould.

> >

> > Maybe it is not mould but some sort of bacteria in which case my efforts to

avoid cross contamination may need to be reexamined. Does anyone else get these

immediate reactions? I think ive read of people who do. my reactions never used

to be this immediate so it cou,d also be a sign of lowering tolerance after 3

years in the wdb. The tremors, neuro symptoms Swollen fingers and arm, bruising

and even nausea are very recent reactions.

> >

>

October 31, 2010

I steep lemon peel (organic) in water that has been boiled, then add the peel

let it sit also add lavender to it and rosemary.

Â

Â lavender satches can also be placed near on their bedding.Â But cas are not

like dogs.Â Cats do not tolerate same things as dogs.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: barb b w <barb1283@...>

Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 11:38:14 AM

Subject: [] Re: Moldies are Moldy-Was: " LDA Therapy for mold "

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Robin, dry skin was problem with my cat, so ended wash w a rinse that included

bath oil. Over did it a little so she looked oily for awhile but solved problem.

In fact when extra oil finally worked it's way out of her coat it looked

healthier than ever. I used Skin So Soft to help her avoid fleas. Incidentally

she had no evidence of fleas after using that although I do let her go out and

there is a woods behind house. You can use other oils for that like lemon oil on

coat. Mayleen clued me in on that.

>

> Not at all to challenge Tug, but at least in my case, Im wondering the same

>thing Barb and trying to figure out connections, possible triggers (mold?

>chemical? what I eat?). Its not easy to sort this out..

>

> Die off? Flare of bacteria, fungal infection? ????? The recycling of toxins

>still in the body?

>

October 31, 2010

Also find out how your chocolate (fermented) Â is made and it's ingredients.Â

Citric acid is now ebing made from aspergillus and they are putting it in

everything.

Â

Â Citric acid is a commercially important product that has been obtained by

submerged fermentation of glucose or sucrose by Aspergillus niger. This work was

undertaken to determine the potential of food processing solid residues as a

substrate for citric acid production by solid state fermentation using

Aspergillus niger. Yields of citric acid varied considerably and were found to

depend significantly on the strain of Aspergillus niger used and the following

factors: the type of raw material fermented, the initial moisture content of the

substrate, the amount of methyl alcohol present, and the fermentation time and

temperature. Under favorable conditions, yields from more than 50 to nearly 90%

were obtained on the basis of the amount of carbohydrate consumed. The results

of this study indicate that food processing solid residues can serve as a

low-cost substrate for citric acid production by solid state fermentation using

Aspergillus niger.

http://www.fgsc.net/asilomar/citric.html

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: Carl Grimes <grimes@...>

Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 2:57:59 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Moldies are Moldy-Was: " LDA Therapy for mold "

Â

Robin,

If any of the " less sugar " products had aspartame that could be a source of

reaction. Strongly affects the nervous system and emotions of some people.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[] Re: Moldies are Moldy-Was: " LDA Therapy for mold "

yeah.. ive been indulging in endangerd species brand dark choc.. half the sugar

of a candy bar and even that is too much.. then I go nuts with the halloween

candy.. ugh.. I dont know how the heck people around here eat and drink so much

sugar and are well or seemingly well.. frustrating.

Once we are better settled in its back to limited to no grains and sugar.

Robin

>

> I feel awful after sugar. Dont eat it often but occasionally forget how little

>i can handle. Figure it is fungus Candida or i'm pre diabetic. Have experienced

>it for a long time.

October 31, 2010

lovely.. thank you.. robin

>

> Also find out how your chocolate (fermented) Â is made and it's ingredients.Â

> Citric acid is now ebing made from aspergillus and they are putting it in

> everything.

October 31, 2010

Yes immediate is good, mime arent always immediate but sometimes are. Symptoms

are always worse at night, again not sure why.

> > >

> > > Im wondering why my reactions are so very different toeveryone elses.... I