Re: unmasking some thoughts

[Guest guest]

WOW! Jeanine, I think you should clean this post up. Add some source

references. And get it published in some journal somewhere. There appear to

be a lot of wise words in your post, to me.

Absolutely agree. This is some of the highlights I got out of your post:

WDBs are an intense toxic assault

Early detox staves off irreversible damage

The term " infection " should apply to what occurs as part of this.

Brain fog is for beginners

Long term changes in the brain function can and often do occur (personally,

I think much of it is in the frontal lob).

Weakening of the system breads further weakening of the system when the

load of exposure exceeds first line defenses.

Cigarettes are just an additional toxic assault to add to the equation.

Not all toxins are created equal.

Dose, type and duration make the poison.

Early intervention makes the cure.

Late intervention makes for sustainability measures at best.

Sharon

In a message dated 6/3/2010 5:26:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

ok, I have to write stuff down to try to sort things out in my own head,

so thought I would just post this.

hopefully some thoughtful feedback will accure.

not all toxins are created equally. anyone can have a toxin screaning at

any given point in time and many chemicals well be found in their system.

with WDB exposure it's a much higher dose than average dailey exposure of

toxins in our environment,

no. 1.

we recieve tissue and organ damage, the whole body is affected, the higher

the dose the more damage done. when the dose exceeds what the first line

of defences,sensory system,olfactory system,mucus system,liver,kidneys can

handle, damage happens everywhere in our body.

at lower doses, long term,organ damage will damage specific organs,weaker

organs and eventually other organs may get weakened to the point that they

well also start to be damaged.

after the damage is done, it is about the dose and the type of toxin.

consider that because our sensory system is badly damaged and in my case I

have completely lost sence of smell in my left nose and the ability to

taste to some extent.

my olfactory bulb and tract are shot on the left side.

that does not mean that I still wont react to toxins . and I do not

believe that mycotoxins cause a chemical sensitivity reaction. they inter

silently and do there damage and cause their pain. voc's and man made chemicals

cause chemical sensitivity and cause a chemical sensitivity reaction and it

is still dependent on dose, but I think if you od ed on a drug it probably

wouldn't take much of that same drug again to make you fell really

bad.(neuron programing?)

no, we dont have to be tottally free of chemicals in our body to not have

a chemical reaction, but sence our detox functions are not up to par,we

will accumalate a higher toxin body load and as it builts we will start

felling worse again. but the build up of toxins in our system is seperate from

what happens with a chemical exposure reaction

the chemical sensitivity reactions are about our first defences, our

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sharon for the feed back. heres some of my thoughts on yours thoughts.

>

> WOW! Jeanine, I think you should clean this post up. Add some source

> references. And get it published in some journal somewhere. There appear

to

> be a lot of wise words in your post, to me.

>

> Absolutely agree. This is some of the highlights I got out of your post:

>

> WDBs are an intense toxic assault

> Early detox staves off irreversible damage

(if your talking after after exposure, I would say yes, it well greatly slow

down further damage and would also help the person gain some sort of measure

over there suffering, but damage done during exposure while still be damage

already done)

> The term " infection " should apply to what occurs as part of this.

(I agree, I strongly fell that we do suffer from infections,exspecially during

our exposure and reaccuring infections affterwards very easily because our

ability to fight them off has been weekened)

> Brain fog is for beginners (very true)

> Long term changes in the brain function can and often do occur

(personally, I think much of it is in the frontal lob).(agree)

> Weakening of the system breads further weakening of the system when the load

of exposure exceeds first line defenses.

(right on, and theres where the dose and type of chemical would be a big factor)

> Cigarettes are just an additional toxic assault to add to the equation.

( yes, just like everyday unavoidable chemical exposures in our environment and

for those that smoke, and find releif of some symptoms by way of changes of

brain chemistry, this should be

taken into account, but you are weighing the bennifets of, in a way, drug

theropy vs. the downfall of adding more chemicals to your toxic load, much like

the risk of most any medicines you might take, including some antifungals,

(thats the way I see it))

> Not all toxins are created equal.

> Dose, type and duration make the poison.

> Early intervention makes the cure.

( yes, if it's truely earily enough and some really bad exposures can cause alot

of damage very quick, a toxin is a toxin. most toxin exposures are handled as a

emergence type situation, why isn't this one??? take for example, antifreeze

poisoning, they take you in and basiclly run your blood through a

cleaning,filtering process, I think haveing that done would greating help slow

down the effects of any toxic exposure where the blood has been poisoned,

weather our blood could be filtered and cleaned, I dont know, but if it could

that would be a important first step)

> Late intervention makes for sustainability measures at best.

(exactly, no matter what point we are removed from the toxic exposure

damage continues because of the high amount of contaminants still in our system

if left to bear it out mean further damage for however long it take for us to

detox on our own and many at that point dont have a clue that that's even what

they need to do, and for some the brain damage greatly affects how they are even

thinking about everything. most at that point just want to crawl into to bed and

stay there, thats not what we need, we need fast proper medical attn.!!!!!

>

> Sharon

[Guest guest]

PS Sharon, I'd love to be able to do that, it's a bummer that I'm not my old

self, but haveing not lived through this I wouldn't have a clue, would I. I'm so

slow now, geez, I have such a hard time being organized and staying on tract.

some other important things on my plate because I do have to worry about my own

situation right now because no body else is, thers something pressing I have to

get back to at the momment, but maybe in the near furture, I could try to

consintrate my effeorts in doing something like that.

life would be so much easier if I just had someone set here for hours,days and

listen to me ramble on and do all that for me. lol's cant get that lucky.

>

> WOW! Jeanine, I think you should clean this post up. Add some source

> references. And get it published in some journal somewhere. There appear

to

> be a lot of wise words in your post, to me.

>

> Absolutely agree. This is some of the highlights I got out of your post:

>

>

[Guest guest]

ok, after reading this for about the twentith time. and the whole article about

3 times,

this sticks out there

It has been suggested that overlapping symptoms resulting from everyday

exposures to chemicals may mask the individual's

awareness of their intolerances as well as the intensity of

their responses to environmental exposures

(this sounds like it's saying that the higher the tottal toxin body burden the

less that your reaction to a chemical exposure will be, I think it's the

oppisite. but, here would be the question.

does a higher tottal toxin body burden in anyway shape or form possably change

the first, immediate sensory reactions of a chemical sensitivity

attack?

everyday exposures to chemicals may mask the individual's awareness of their

intolerances.

I just cant agree with this based on the fact that after I removed myself from

my water damaged home, yes, I had relief from the immediate symptoms of

exposure(which really could be considered close to or the same as, at some point

during exposure to be a chemical sensitivity reaction as we later know it) but I

was still at a very high body burden and still was getting effects and damage

from my exposure for possably as long as 2 months. before some of that left my

system and

maybe much longer because of the mold in my body,lungs,ect.

and it was around 10+ months before I started caughing all that mold filled

mucus out of my lungs and I was on a herbal detox program at that time. and from

whats been described a the heximyer reaction, I was very possably going through

that while on this program but I cant be sure of it. now within less than a

month I couldn't get the herbs to say down or even go down so I stopped. I can

not say it made a noticeable change in how I felt but I did get back more of a

breathing compasity.

anyway, I did notice,at least two things(purfumes and cut grass) right after I

got out of my water damaged home that caused me to fell much worse than I was

felling

and I remember that they affected my lungs, by makeing me caugh and it was

harder to breath(airways closeing up.) and made my head swim even worse than it

allready was, made me fill like I was about to pass out and get very weak. this

was a chemical sensitivity reaction.

I was at full, overloaded body burden and was still reaconizeing a chemical

sensitivity attack, even though I had no clue at the time that that's what it

was.

so, it's for these reasons that I dont get or understand the masking concept. I

think very highly of claudia miller and thank her for all her work, I mean no

disrespect, I just dont get the masking thing.

> New Paper out of Sweden

> _http://www.springerlink.com/content/5p210355w2glxw31/_

> (http://www.springerlink.com/content/5p210355w2glxw31/)

>

> Regarding the Masking Index, “maskingâ€

> can be described as a hidden cause, and occurs when the

> inXicted person does not realize that the symptoms are due

> to routine or regular exposure to a substance. It has been

> suggested that overlapping symptoms resulting from everyday

> exposures to chemicals may mask the individual’s

> awareness of their intolerances as well as the intensity of

> their responses to environmental exposures ( 1997).

> The Masking Index is based on the model of toxicantinduced

> loss of tolerance ( 2001a), proposing a toxicological

> explanation for the intolerance, and that masking

> tends to hide the relationship between an individual’s symptoms

> and triggering exposures. Although the authors of the

> present paper do not fully share the view of a toxicological

> explanation, information about additional chemical exposure,

> provided by the Masking Index, may be useful.

[Guest guest]

This is excellent!

no. 1.

we recieve tissue and organ damage, the whole body is affected, the higher

the dose the more damage done. when the dose exceeds what the first line of

defences,sensory system,olfactory system,mucus system,liver,kidneys can

handle, damage happens everywhere in our body.

at lower doses, long term,organ damage will damage specific organs,weaker

organs and eventually other organs may get weakened to the point that they

well also start to be damaged.

[Guest guest]

Thanks ssr.

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> This is excellent!

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> no. 1.

> we recieve tissue and organ damage, the whole body is affected, the higher

> the dose the more damage done. when the dose exceeds what the first line of

> defences,sensory system,olfactory system,mucus system,liver,kidneys can

> handle, damage happens everywhere in our body.

> at lower doses, long term,organ damage will damage specific organs,weaker

> organs and eventually other organs may get weakened to the point that they

> well also start to be damaged.

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