Re: please help - small contamination just turned big

[Guest guest]

how do you piss off mycotoxins?

sounds like you are reacting to the vodka.

this is a good example why we cant believe everything someone tells us. what

some people can tolerate, others cant.

>

> imagine that I washed one bad thing

> and then pissed off the mycotoxins that remained in the machine and pissed

> them off so that they are all over the house?

>

> please help me make the best choices going forward. I can't bear going

> through hell again, not with a child. I don't want to make any more

> mistakes. Keep in mind I have severe MCS, too.

>

> we're also leaving to stay with friends in the mountains for a week but I'm

> afraid if I don't deal with this asap that it will get worse while away

> and the house is closed up.

>

> we are getting rid of the machines tonight - putting them outside.

>

> advice needed and welcome

> Jill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just happened to me. Could not fix washer and it was new too. Had to get rid of

it. I don't know what happened exactly but I'm assuming a tiny piece of moldy

lint got stuck somewhere and refused to dislodge no matter how much I washed and

bleached.

Sorry! I'd put the clothes outside for a month and let the air and sun work on

them. They might be saved.

surella

>

> as most of you know, I washed something that apparently had mycotoxins in

> it (new clothes) and it contaminated my washer and clothes. it was

> isolated until last night...

>

> I'm such an idiot. I tried to use vodka in the washer last night as per

> someone advice on another list and, overnight, the entire house is now full

> of fumes and bothering me intensely. I don't know what I was thinking. I

> should have just gotten rid of the machines asap and stopped messing with

> them. But here I am, on oxygen, all the doors and windows open, my daughter

> napping so I'm stuck here, and it's definitely neurotoxic at this point.

>

> I was formerly doing really well. I imagine that I washed one bad thing

> and then pissed off the mycotoxins that remained in the machine and pissed

> them off so that they are all over the house?

>

> please help me make the best choices going forward. I can't bear going

> through hell again, not with a child. I don't want to make any more

> mistakes. Keep in mind I have severe MCS, too.

>

> we're also leaving to stay with friends in the mountains for a week but I'm

> afraid if I don't deal with this asap that it will get worse while away

> and the house is closed up.

>

> we are getting rid of the machines tonight - putting them outside.

>

> advice needed and welcome

> Jill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

it may be possable that theres some type of offgassing from new appliances as

they do have electricial circuts and coatings that may do a little offgassing

when warmed up.

if these were in your house and were not bothering you again until you used the

vodka, I'd consider the vodka. I dont tolerate smells of alcohols myself.

mycotoxins aren't alive, how can you piss them off?

if mycotoxins were the sorce of what was borthering you they would have been

doing that before the vodka treatment.

one time while liveing in another apartment my small refridgerator started

putting out this smell that was affecting me like crazy.

we put it out on the porch cause I couldn't figure out what it was, I thought

the freon must be leaking but I was fimular with this smell and it's affects on

me.

it smelled the same as a rotten orange/moldy orange, or the orange peals in the

trash when it isn't took out quick enough.

I propped open the door of the fridge outside, let it air,ect. still the smell

was there.

I finally found it. a small bottle of sublingal drops that I had gotten for

treatment for mold allergies had rolled way back in the back and leaked because

it was back were it froze than thawed.

when I got it there was still something in it that I was reactive to

so I didn't use it.

with my second exposure the house was so bad I had obvious problems with bread

getting moldy very quickly. sence than I have been very sensitive to food molds,

weither oranges, potatos,bread, veggies,ect.

sometimes outside this same sweat type smell accures that I connect with moldy

oranges. haveing both a allergic and intolerance reaction at the same time is

pretty ruff.

so anyway, I do see how a tiny spot of mold growth on a orange would include

mycotoxin output, so I cant say that a tiny amount of mycotoxins would not

affect you, but if the washer and dryer were in your house and weren't affecting

you until you used the vodka, I'd say it's the vodka. the way alcohols are made

involve fermenting and there are molds and mycotoxins in alcohol.

you can find studies on that. I cant believe someone told you to use vodka. they

dont have a clue what they are talking about.

>

>Just happened to me. Could not fix washer and it was new too. Had to get rid of

it. I don't know what happened exactly but I'm assuming a tiny piece of moldy

lint got stuck somewhere and refused to dislodge no matter how much I washed and

bleached.

> Sorry! I'd put the clothes outside for a month and let the air and sun work on

them. They might be saved.

> surella

[Guest guest]

I know - I'm so upset with myself for listening to this advice when I

definitely knew better, but I find that when I'm mid-reaction, I make the worst

decisions. I " think " that I am able to think but the reality is that I

don't at all think clearly. That's the real lesson, which is to not trust

myself when I'm in a reaction. But the catch-22 is that I can say that when

not in a reaction, but the crazy mind takes over when

desperate/reacting/trying to just fix things/not researching, etc.

But the punishment, yet again, is too big. I've effectively ruined my

home again. I am crazy-lady every time I'm in it. It has to be mycotoxins

because I've been through this before. You " piss them off " by agitating

them. They are like skunks, but more toxic. Kick a skunk and he releases his

spray. Mycotoxins do the same thing when you wash them, spray them with

anything, on and on. They want to be left alone to do their thing. I KNEW

this and yet I thought that, well, this was one thing I'd never tried in

the past 10 years and we go through 3 washers a year and throw out clothes

like we're rich, bored people (we are not), and it was a mild reaction

before so I figured, what did I have to lose? Turns out a lot, including my

mind again. I cannot function with this, and airing the place out hasn't

helped. That would help were it just the vodka. So now I'm trying to ask

first and research first to see if people have experience with SMALL mycotoxin

contaminations gone large/airborne. Do you open all windows and air

things out or close them, let it all settle, and wipe it up with just water?

It

is a nice day today and tomorrow and then snow again so if airing out is

safe, it's the time to do it. And I'm leaving the house for the week so my

husband will deal with it. Also - it's been a little while so just

checking, is there any easy test to check for mycotoxins (not mold) on items?

I

am sure I would have heard about it, but you never know...

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_osisposis _ (osisposis)

Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:43 pm (PST)

how do you piss off mycotoxins?

sounds like you are reacting to the vodka.

this is a good example why we cant believe everything someone tells us.

what some people can tolerate, others cant.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Sorry to hear. I believe you are reacting to the Vodka. You have to air the

place out. Never use alcohol or and chemicals with MCS. Suggestions from

others in using products must be based on your personal body tolerance. Not

what some other may say to use. If you tolerate baking soda I suggest a few

boxes of this throwout the home in containers to pick up the odors. Hope you

feel better soon.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " Jsverdlove@... " <Jsverdlove@...>

moldtheseverereactor

Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 5:23:34 PM

Subject: [] please help - small contamination just turned big

as most of you know, I washed something that apparently had mycotoxins in

it (new clothes) and it contaminated my washer and clothes. it was

isolated until last night...

I'm such an idiot. I tried to use vodka in the washer last night as per

someone advice on another list and, overnight, the entire house is now full

of fumes and bothering me intensely. I don't know what I was thinking. I

should have just gotten rid of the machines asap and stopped messing with

them. But here I am, on oxygen, all the doors and windows open, my daughter

napping so I'm stuck here, and it's definitely neurotoxic at this point.

I was formerly doing really well. I imagine that I washed one bad thing

and then pissed off the mycotoxins that remained in the machine and pissed

them off so that they are all over the house?

please help me make the best choices going forward. I can't bear going

through hell again, not with a child. I don't want to make any more

mistakes. Keep in mind I have severe MCS, too.

we're also leaving to stay with friends in the mountains for a week but I'm

afraid if I don't deal with this asap that it will get worse while away

and the house is closed up.

we are getting rid of the machines tonight - putting them outside.

advice needed and welcome

Jill

[Guest guest]

I agree with what you have stated too. I believe it was the Vodka, new

appliances do give off gases and yes if she did not have a problem with those

before, it was possibly not that and the Vodka that caused it.

That is why I say when you read something somewhere cross reference with your

other conditions and sensitivities. Any alcohol for moldies can have an effect

on you. I can no longer stand the smell of alcohols.

Someone at a hospital and that was before I knew anything applied it to my arm

and I swelled up in the spot it was applied. Since I know not to use those

swabs and not to use alcohol. I later learned about fermented things not being

good for us. .

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 10:03:19 AM

Subject: [] Re: please help - small contamination just turned big

it may be possable that theres some type of offgassing from new appliances as

they do have electricial circuts and coatings that may do a little offgassing

when warmed up.

if these were in your house and were not bothering you again until you used the

vodka, I'd consider the vodka. I dont tolerate smells of alcohols myself.

mycotoxins aren't alive, how can you piss them off?

if mycotoxins were the sorce of what was borthering you they would have been

doing that before the vodka treatment.

one time while liveing in another apartment my small refridgerator started

putting out this smell that was affecting me like crazy.

we put it out on the porch cause I couldn't figure out what it was, I thought

the freon must be leaking but I was fimular with this smell and it's affects on

me.

it smelled the same as a rotten orange/moldy orange, or the orange peals in the

trash when it isn't took out quick enough.

I propped open the door of the fridge outside, let it air,ect. still the smell

was there.

I finally found it. a small bottle of sublingal drops that I had gotten for

[Guest guest]

sorry if i didn't clarify - but the washer was bothering me before I used

the vodka - that's why I was stupid, reacting, desperate, and used the

vodka...so mad at myself -- anyway, it's now MUCH WORSE and I'm vacating the

house at this point. My husband is trying to salvage things as when we've

had mycotoxin contamination before, we have to move and throw it all out and

things do cross contaminate (I'm a severe reactor to tricothecenes)

i'm praying it's somehow something else b/c I was not neurotoxic from the

original problem - but...it's the same headache just worse and definitely

neurotoxic now

this is awful

[Guest guest]

Here I am again. There is more to the story than just mycotoxins. There are

bacteria as well with their entertotoxins and exotoxins. The most famous of the

bacteria are the Actinomycetes. How do you know that you are responding to

mycotoxins rather than other toxins?

[] Re: please help - small contamination just turned big

sorry if i didn't clarify - but the washer was bothering me before I used

the vodka - that's why I was stupid, reacting, desperate, and used the

vodka...so mad at myself -- anyway, it's now MUCH WORSE and I'm vacating the

house at this point. My husband is trying to salvage things as when we've

had mycotoxin contamination before, we have to move and throw it all out and

things do cross contaminate (I'm a severe reactor to tricothecenes)

i'm praying it's somehow something else b/c I was not neurotoxic from the

original problem - but...it's the same headache just worse and definitely

neurotoxic now

this is awful

[Guest guest]

with a washer if water get's trapped under the tub it can be a sorce of MOLD

GROWTH and the by products of mold. you may be reacting the mold VOC's. pouring

vodka into a fermenting bath of stale water and mold growth could make a already

bad situation worse. but I wouldn't put the blame solely on mycotoxins. your

really hurting yourself by not looking at the bigger picture.

how can you single out mycotoxins as the sole sorce of your reactiveness? if

that was the real case, the vodka would not have made matters much worse for

you.

sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, it is just hard to repeatedly have these

discusions with people that are convienced that mycotoxins are their only

problem and the whole cross contamination thing with mycotoxins is carried a

little overboard in my opinion.

mycotoxins are particle like substances, they dont reproduce on their own, they

are produced from mold only, they aren't alive, you cant piss them off, they

only are put into the air by the molds that produce them, they settle to the

dust and than can be stired back up by stiring up the dust.

contamination of mycotoxins means mold growth is there somewhere, that also

means molds other by products are there too.

how you can possable say you are only reactive to thrichathecene mycotoxins is

another problem. many different types of mycotoxins can harm you. even if you

were found to have T-myco's in your urine or whatever it doen't mean that only

T-myco's can hurt you.

as far as a sensory reaction to any mycotoxins, I just not very convienced that

that even is a possability. mycotoxins do cause damage to tissues and organs,

yes, but weither or not your neurons may program to them cause a sensory

reaction is debateable, from what I've read mycotoxins kill neurons, so it would

be hard to have a build up of neurons programed to any type of mycotoxins that

would cause a chemical type sensitivity reaction.

this is just my view based on my own experience and research. everyone is

intittled to believe what they want.

and if someone can prove me wrong I'd be more than interested to

to hear there thoughts.

>

> sorry if i didn't clarify - but the washer was bothering me before I used

> the vodka - that's why I was stupid, reacting, desperate, and used the

> vodka...so mad at myself -- anyway, it's now MUCH WORSE and I'm vacating the

> house at this point. My husband is trying to salvage things as when we've

> had mycotoxin contamination before, we have to move and throw it all out and

> things do cross contaminate (I'm a severe reactor to tricothecenes)

>

> i'm praying it's somehow something else b/c I was not neurotoxic from the

> original problem - but...it's the same headache just worse and definitely

> neurotoxic now

>

> this is awful

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes baking soda absorbs odors

Janet

In a message dated 2/19/2011 7:14:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

dragonflymcs@... writes:

I am sorry but I still think you are reacting to the vodka. Air the place

out

carefully. Baking soda everywhere in containers.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

dont get me wrong, I'm not saying mycotoxins dont cause a inflammatory reaction,

they most certainly do, and this can be in the brain. I'm just saying that they

may not cause a sensory reaction based on neuron programming, build up and

release, that may fall in with more immediate type reactions involveing the

sensory system.

fight or flight.

> >

> > sorry if i didn't clarify - but the washer was bothering me before I used

> > the vodka

[Guest guest]

I am sorry but I still think you are reacting to the vodka. Air the place out

carefully. Baking soda everywhere in containers.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

You know what? I agree with you. I think its that I begin to react to a small

amount of mold ONLY after I've been around it for a while and have been in

denial about it's existence and try to go about my life like nothing is

happening. Then, boom, something in my body clicks and that tiny spot of mold is

now ravaging my body.

-happens everytime. I do not think its the vodka. Sorry to disagree. It may be

offgassing but I doubt it. Sounds like mold.

-- In , Jsverdlove@... wrote:

>

>

> I know - I'm so upset with myself for listening to this advice when I

> definitely knew better, but I find that when I'm mid-reaction, I make the

worst

> decisions. I " think " that I am able to think but the reality is that I

> don't at all think clearly. That's the real lesson, which is to not trust

> myself when I'm in a reaction. But the catch-22 is that I can say that when

> not in a reaction, but the crazy mind takes over when

> desperate/reacting/trying to just fix things/not researching, etc.

>

> But the punishment, yet again, is too big. I've effectively ruined my

> home again. I am crazy-lady every time I'm in it. It has to be mycotoxins

> because I've been through this before. You " piss them off " by agitating

> them. They are like skunks, but more toxic. Kick a skunk and he releases

his

> spray. Mycotoxins do the same thing when you wash them, spray them with

> anything, on and on. They want to be left alone to do their thing. I KNEW

> this and yet I thought that, well, this was one thing I'd never tried in

> the past 10 years and we go through 3 washers a year and throw out clothes

> like we're rich, bored people (we are not), and it was a mild reaction

> before so I figured, what did I have to lose? Turns out a lot, including my

> mind again. I cannot function with this, and airing the place out hasn't

> helped. That would help were it just the vodka. So now I'm trying to ask

> first and research first to see if people have experience with SMALL

mycotoxin

> contaminations gone large/airborne. Do you open all windows and air

> things out or close them, let it all settle, and wipe it up with just water?

It

> is a nice day today and tomorrow and then snow again so if airing out is

> safe, it's the time to do it. And I'm leaving the house for the week so my

> husband will deal with it. Also - it's been a little while so just

> checking, is there any easy test to check for mycotoxins (not mold) on items?

I

> am sure I would have heard about it, but you never know...

>

[Guest guest]

The alcohol could have caused the same problems, reactions

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " Jsverdlove@... " <Jsverdlove@...>

jeaninem660@...

Cc:

Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 12:15:43 PM

Subject: [] Re: please help - small contamination just turned big

sorry if i didn't clarify - but the washer was bothering me before I used

the vodka - that's why I was stupid, reacting, desperate, and used the

vodka...so mad at myself -- anyway, it's now MUCH WORSE and I'm vacating the

house at this point. My husband is trying to salvage things as when we've

had mycotoxin contamination before, we have to move and throw it all out and

things do cross contaminate (I'm a severe reactor to tricothecenes)

i'm praying it's somehow something else b/c I was not neurotoxic from the

original problem - but...it's the same headache just worse and definitely

neurotoxic now

this is awful