Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 The address to the first page worked fine for me, and I clicked through to a couple of links without any problem. The address to the OPMC page was incomplete, but it took me all of about 1 minute to find Dr. Orens page and PDF's on the OPMC site. I'm not sure what you want Robynn to do here. She is obviously very busy and it is not her job to be sure that a particular view point is represented, or that the unfamiliar are educated to opposite view points whenever she posts something from one side or the other. She is providing information that is already of interest to some of us. If you are curious or interested, you need to do some footwork, or wait for more bits of information. If the links she provided don't work on your computer, you can check the Archives, which are quite huge, and there is always google- http://www.google.com . A search of orens lyme on google came up with lots of hits on newspaper articles and web articles. I'll be glad to be of assistance offlist if you need help with using the archives. I see your point about some articles doing more harm than good when presented as is with no alternate view point. However, that is the nature of information, and Robynn doesn't see it as her job to provide qualification, and that seems appropriate to me. Here is the OPMC link http://w3.health.state.ny.us/opmc/factions.nsf/58220a7f9eeaafab85256b180058c032/\ dbc0cd92b656fe7585256a4a0047e555?OpenDocument E. >I tried it all. there is no response. > >That website address, btw, is impossible. > >Bright Blessings, >Joy > >~~If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 At 10:35 AM 11/16/2002 -0800, you wrote: >You will probably have to cut and paste the URLs into your browser. They >are very specific so there is no way to shorten them. tried it, it doesn't work.... >I don't understand what you mean by " no response " . the links don't work. >You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader to read the PDF files. You can download >the free reader at http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html . Got it... happy to read it. Maybe you can just send the files to me? >=) >Robynn > > > Re: [ ] Please explain > > >I tried it all. there is no response. > >That website address, btw, is impossible. > >Bright Blessings, >Joy > >~~If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 thanks, actually I realize I was being a bit unfair to Robbyn, I know she works hard. found some good links http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Oasis/6455/gettysburg-times-10apr00.txt this is great because you get his perspective. At 10:55 AM 11/16/2002 -0800, you wrote: >The address to the first page worked fine for me, and I clicked >through to a couple of links without any problem. The address to the >OPMC page was incomplete, but it took me all of about 1 minute to >find Dr. Orens page and PDF's on the OPMC site. > >I'm not sure what you want Robynn to do here. She is obviously very >busy and it is not her job to be sure that a particular view point is >represented, or that the unfamiliar are educated to opposite view >points whenever she posts something from one side or the other. She >is providing information that is already of interest to some of us. >If you are curious or interested, you need to do some footwork, or >wait for more bits of information. If the links she provided don't >work on your computer, you can check the Archives, which are quite >huge, and there is always google- http://www.google.com . A search >of orens lyme on google came up with lots of hits on newspaper >articles and web articles. I'll be glad to be of assistance offlist >if you need help with using the archives. > >I see your point about some articles doing more harm than good when >presented as is with no alternate view point. However, that is the >nature of information, and Robynn doesn't see it as her job to >provide qualification, and that seems appropriate to me. > >Here is the OPMC link >http://w3.health.state.ny.us/opmc/factions.nsf/58220a7f9eeaafab85256b180058c032\ /dbc0cd92b656fe7585256a4a0047e555?OpenDocument > > E. > > > >I tried it all. there is no response. > > > >That website address, btw, is impossible. > > > >Bright Blessings, > >Joy > > > >~~If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 A " heaping teaspoonful " (or " teaping hoospeenful " as my sister says) is an approximate amount meaning it's more than a level teaspoonful. A teaspoon is about 5 milliliters, so I'd go with about 7 or 8 milliliters. And 1 quart is so close to a liter that for this approximation I'd just go with a liter. So it's about 7 or 8 ml of tea to 1 liter of water. Hope this helps. Zack On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, wrote: > " put 1 heaping tablespoon of tea in a sauce pan and add 1 quart of water " > Can you please help me to understand what 'heaping' means and 'quart > of water'. I have no idea about American measure system. Can anyone > tell me in different way the amounts for these expressions? > Thanx > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 > > I am new on this list and need a couple of questions answered. First, how did you find out your child was allergic to certain foods, our doctor told me there is no " test " for that. I rotated foods, and kept a journal of physical and behavioral symptoms. This lab has a good online list of tests, including a food intolerance test http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/ >>What is a DAN doctor? A doctor who has attended at least one DAN conference, and is amenable to alternative theories of autism and other developmental disabilities http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari-lists/danus.html >>What are the various supplements you mention used for/supposed to do? General info here http://www.danasview.net/supps.htm Here is a page where I wrote what helped my kids with certain issues http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm What are your child's issues? Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Hi! I had the same question myself. I happened to read this report in the site below. http://www.pannaturopathic.com/chelationautism.html Bye! Lucy > > hi.. as you well know.. I have several families on my case load with kids on the spectrum.. one mom wanted to know what happened in the death of the child during chelation. WAs it the wrong chelator? could anyone explain so I can explain to her? thanks.. Lia > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 thank you soo much.. Lia blesodh <danielismiracle@...> wrote: Hi! I had the same question myself. I happened to read this report in the site below. http://www.pannaturopathic.com/chelationautism.html Bye! Lucy > > hi.. as you well know.. I have several families on my case load with kids on the spectrum.. one mom wanted to know what happened in the death of the child during chelation. WAs it the wrong chelator? could anyone explain so I can explain to her? thanks.. Lia > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 This is sad and could have been prevented. If ONLY they were using Andy's protocol..which INCLUDES supplementing minerals. > > > > hi.. as you well know.. I have several families on my case load with > kids on the spectrum.. one mom wanted to know what happened in the > death of the child during chelation. WAs it the wrong chelator? could > anyone explain so I can explain to her? thanks.. Lia > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 but isn't Calcium Disodium EDTA a very unsafe and full of side-effects chelation agent? why choose it in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 " In recent months, chelation treatments of a wide variety ranging from IV to oral to topical have been gaining popularity for autistic children due to anecdotal information from parents indicating a reduction in symptoms. " OUCH! That wasn't nice! I guess we're all delusional :-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Because your dealing with doctors not chemists. Many doctors use EDTA for cholesterol problems and alzheimer's and a ton of stuff. So doctors know about it. It has been around a long time. My understanding is that it can be used safely for certain purposes. IV however, is never safe. People have seen problems using dmsp in IV too. Mainly, it's doctors who are not chemist and no little about chelation and chemistry involved. I have no idea why they were using EDTA on this kid. Since most autistic children have mercury problems...it makes no sense. But then again, most of what I see doctors doing these days..does not make sense. I see that most doctors if they even attempt chelation, use the wrong doses, the wrong timing or the try to use IV. I am not a doc or chemist but with some internet research I was able to understand and figure out what they are doing is not wise. Was this child in a study? If so, those never make sense because they are often designed to advocate the use of a particular drug by a particular company. It is not uncommon for the wrong drug to be adminstered. This happens in hospitals all over the country. It is usually quieted. > > but isn't Calcium Disodium EDTA a very unsafe and full of side- effects > chelation agent? why choose it in the first place? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 It was a medication error. Pamela " Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared. " Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lia Mleczko Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:00 PM autism treatment Subject: [ ] please explain hi.. as you well know.. I have several families on my case load with kids on the spectrum.. one mom wanted to know what happened in the death of the child during chelation. WAs it the wrong chelator? could anyone explain so I can explain to her? thanks.. Lia --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 In a message dated 26/04/2007 14:20:51 GMT Standard Time, pamelaleigh@... writes: hi.. as you well know.. I have several families on my case load with kids on the spectrum.. one mom wanted to know what happened in the death of the child during chelation. WAs it the wrong chelator? could anyone explain so I can explain to her? thanks.. Lia >>The doctor( or his nurse) gave Sodium EDTA instead of Calcium EDTA. Sodium EDTA is used to pull minerals, which unfortunately it did very well, causing the boys heart to stop. The sodium EDTA is what they give heart disease folks to strip the plaque from the walls of the arteries, although they give that as a slow infusion not a quick 'push' which is what the lad got. Calcium EDTA has a different action. Best to avoid IV's altogether IMHO - its not part of the DAN Detox Paper Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 > > Hi > Sorry to boder with this question, but after I read all information on site I still dont understan how much I must take of calcium citrate powder from NOW foods to get 700 mg of elemental amount. Is it 1 and 1/2 teaspoon or only 1/2(half) teaspoon? Thank you Sorry on my bad English +++Hi Seth from Croatia, The regulations for calcium and magnesium have changed so the amounts on the labels are actually the " elemental amounts. " Therefore take slightly less than 1/2 level teaspoon to get 300 mg per dose - the instructions say to take 300 mg twice a day, with a total of 600 mg per day. All the best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 > >i have the now citrate too. on the bottle, it says 700 mg is 1 1/2 teaspoons. isnt half of that 3/4 teaspoons?...so wouldnt we need to take a little less than 3/4 teasppons for 300 mg? arianna > > Hi > > Sorry to boder with this question, but after I read all information on site I still dont understan how much I must take of calcium citrate powder from NOW foods to get 700 mg of elemental amount. Is it 1 and 1/2 teaspoon or only 1/2(half) teaspoon? Thank you Sorry on my bad English > > > > All the best, Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 > > >i have the now citrate too. on the bottle, it says 700 mg is 1 1/2 teaspoons. isnt half of that 3/4 teaspoons?...so wouldnt we need to take a little less than 3/4 teasppons for 300 mg? > +++Hi Arianna. I went to iHerb and they list NOW foods calcium citrate powder containing 700 mg per 1 teaspoon. If your product says 1.5 teaspoons for 700 mg you've got it right. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 possibly off-gassing in kitchen, place BS under the cabinets to absorb odors from chemical residues.  God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Tug <tug_slug@...> Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 1:01:53 PM Subject: [] Please Explain  Depending on the time of day when I walk into the kitchen I have a reaction, we have removed all the chemicals from under the sink and everything else that could possibly cause me to react. I noticed that when I wake up around 4:00am I feel pretty darn good, the first thing I do is take the dog out than head to kitchen feed her, give her fresh water and drink my CSM with no ill effects. But as the day progresses and the temperature rises the kitchen effects me more and I get really sick. At this time just by me spending more than a couple of minutes near the counter I get sick. When the sun starts to set and the temperature drops i dont feel nearly as symptomatic as a matter of fact Im back to feeling normal again. Why does the ambient temperature cause me to become so symptomatic, the hotter it gets the worst I feel. i just don't get it. Can someone please explain this to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 BS? > > possibly off-gassing in kitchen, place BS under the cabinets to absorb odors > from chemical residues. >  > > > God Bless !! > dragonflymcs > Mayleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 I am sorry. Baking Soda it absorbs odors. I keep a small box in my car as well. Like people keep in the fridge. Change a box a month if it is bad again. Maybe it is VOC from the cabinets. How old are they ?? Maybe chemical residue ?  Heat releases VOC's.   God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Tug <tug_slug@...> Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 8:20:15 PM Subject: [] Re: Please Explain  BS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 I think they mean BS Back Splash Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry [] Re: Please Explain BS? > > possibly off-gassing in kitchen, place BS under the cabinets to absorb odors > from chemical residues. >  > > > God Bless !! > dragonflymcs > Mayleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 Dave, Have you cleaned the drain pan under the refrigerator? Several years ago, when I was new to this mold problem, I was sitting at my kitchen table and started coughing. About the third time it happened, I realized the refrigerator had just turned on. The fan blows the warm air from the coils over the drain pan to evaporate the moisture there.The pan was dirty, and causing my reactions. After I cleaned the pan, my kitchen coughing stopped. Give it a try. You might notice that as the day gets warmer, the refrigerator runs more, making reaction worse later in the day as you describe. Gil Please Explain Posted by: " Tug " tug_slug@... tug_slug Date: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:57 pm ((PDT)) Depending on the time of day when I walk into the kitchen I have a reaction, we have removed all the chemicals from under the sink and everything else that could possibly cause me to react. I noticed that when I wake up around 4:00am I feel pretty darn good, the first thing I do is take the dog out than head to kitchen feed her, give her fresh water and drink my CSM with no ill effects. But as the day progresses and the temperature rises the kitchen effects me more and I get really sick. At this time just by me spending more than a couple of minutes near the counter I get sick. When the sun starts to set and the temperature drops i dont feel nearly as symptomatic as a matter of fact Im back to feeling normal again. Why does the ambient temperature cause me to become so symptomatic, the hotter it gets the worst I feel. i just don't get it. Can someone please explain this to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 Regarding this effect in kitchen that you feel hits at hotter times: In my house and in many, above kitchens are bathrooms due to running pipes, it is closest to put plumbing in an adjacent area, so if bathroom is directly above kitchen and warmer weather you notice something in kitchen, I would say investigate bathroom fixtures if they are above/ if floor of bathroom is in ceiling of kitchen, and air can come down through openings in ceiling like light or in cavities of wall, openings cut in wall for windows, and the like. See if you put nose up to these openings, do you smell anything at these times. That is what I would check. > > Depending on the time of day when I walk into the kitchen I have a reaction, we have removed all the chemicals from under the sink and everything else that could possibly cause me to react. > > I noticed that when I wake up around 4:00am I feel pretty darn good, the first thing I do is take the dog out than head to kitchen feed her, give her fresh water and drink my CSM with no ill effects. But as the day progresses and the temperature rises the kitchen effects me more and I get really sick. At this time just by me spending more than a couple of minutes near the counter I get sick. When the sun starts to set and the temperature drops i dont feel nearly as symptomatic as a matter of fact Im back to feeling normal again. > > Why does the ambient temperature cause me to become so symptomatic, the hotter it gets the worst I feel. i just don't get it. > > Can someone please explain this to me? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 maybe your heat intolerant? one of the common symptoms. or maybe its your body going through some die-off.  if you takes your meds at the same time every day you would get die off about the same time everyday. just a thought? K Depending on the time of day when I walk into the kitchen I have a reaction, we have removed all the chemicals from under the sink and everything else that could possibly cause me to react. > > I noticed that when I wake up around 4:00am I feel pretty darn good, the first thing I do is take the dog out than head to kitchen feed her, give her fresh water and drink my CSM with no ill effects. But as the day progresses and the temperature rises the kitchen effects me more and I get really sick. At this time just by me spending more than a couple of minutes near the counter I get sick. When the sun starts to set and the temperature drops i dont feel nearly as symptomatic as a matter of fact Im back to feeling normal again. > > Why does the ambient temperature cause me to become so symptomatic, the hotter it gets the worst I feel. i just don't get it. > > Can someone please explain this to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 K, thats what I was thinking too, heat intolerance. > > Depending on the time of day when I walk into the kitchen I have a reaction, we have removed all the chemicals from under the sink and everything else that could possibly cause me to react. > > > > > > I noticed that when I wake up around 4:00am I feel pretty darn good, the first thing I do is take the dog out than head to kitchen feed her, give her fresh water and drink my CSM with no ill effects. But as the day progresses and the temperature rises the kitchen effects me more and I get really sick. At this time just by me spending more than a couple of minutes near the counter I get sick. When the sun starts to set and the temperature drops i dont feel nearly as symptomatic as a matter of fact Im back to feeling normal again. > > > > > > Why does the ambient temperature cause me to become so symptomatic, the hotter it gets the worst I feel. i just don't get it. > > > > > > Can someone please explain this to me? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 Have you checked the space under the cabinets? I had a case in Arizona where almost all rooms of the house had low levels of spores. We checked under the kitchen cabinets by drilling a hole through the baseboard and took an air sample. There they were Stachy and all. Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist www.drthrasher.org toxicologist1@... Off: 916-745-4703 Cell: 575-937-1150 L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC Trauma Specialist sandracrawley@... 916-745-4703 - Off 775-309-3994 - Cell This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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