Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 If the sun is hitting that side of the house it could bring out the smell of anything from mold to vinyl siding to the screens. Seriously I reacted to some screens! Also reacted to an extremely old radio on my windowsill in the sun. > > Regarding this effect in kitchen that you feel hits at hotter times: In my house and in many, above kitchens are bathrooms due to running pipes, it is closest to put plumbing in an adjacent area, so if bathroom is directly above kitchen and warmer weather you notice something in kitchen, I would say investigate bathroom fixtures if they are above/ if floor of bathroom is in ceiling of kitchen, and air can come down through openings in ceiling like light or in cavities of wall, openings cut in wall for windows, and the like. See if you put nose up to these openings, do you smell anything at these times. That is what I would check. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 There have been some places I lived where mold smell came out from the drain itself. I had my sink removed first thing... & inspected & cleaned under there. I removed as much of the bottom of my metal sink cabinet as was possible so that it would get air & I could see if a leak ever developed. --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > Have you checked the space under the cabinets? I had a case in Arizona where almost all rooms of the house had low levels of spores. We checked under the kitchen cabinets by drilling a hole through the baseboard and took an air sample. There they were Stachy and all. > > Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. > Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist > www.drthrasher.org > toxicologist1@... > Off: 916-745-4703 > Cell: 575-937-1150 > > > L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC > Trauma Specialist > sandracrawley@... > 916-745-4703 - Off > 775-309-3994 - Cell > > > > > This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Gil, Carl made the same suggestions so my g/f took the kick plate off the front of the refrigerator and not only cleaned the drain pan (which wasn't dirty) but vacuumed the coils which mustve had years of debris that had collected. Dr Thrasher I thought the same thing and did exactly that. We had a mold remediater come out to wipe & hepa vac the basement, while he was here I had him look just to make sure and he didn't see anything, he said he didn't see anything and shouldn't be a concern. --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > Have you checked the space under the cabinets? I had a case in Arizona where almost all rooms of the house had low levels of spores. We checked under the kitchen cabinets by drilling a hole through the baseboard and took an air sample. There they were Stachy and all. > > Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. > Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist > www.drthrasher.org > toxicologist1@... > Off: 916-745-4703 > Cell: 575-937-1150 > > > L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC > Trauma Specialist > sandracrawley@... > 916-745-4703 - Off > 775-309-3994 - Cell > > > > > This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 You did not answer the question There is a space under the cabinets in the kitchen and other built in cabinets in the house. Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist www.drthrasher.org toxicologist1@... Off: 916-745-4703 Cell: 575-937-1150 L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC Trauma Specialist sandracrawley@... 916-745-4703 - Off 775-309-3994 - Cell This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 There is usually about a two inch space under the cabinets. I doubt if visual inspection is sufficient to see everything under the cabinets Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist www.drthrasher.org toxicologist1@... Off: 916-745-4703 Cell: 575-937-1150 L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC Trauma Specialist sandracrawley@... 916-745-4703 - Off 775-309-3994 - Cell This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Barb, thanks for the suggestion but theres nothing above the kitchen, beings we have vaulted cielings if there was a leak Im sure we would have seen it by now. Im thinking that because the hvac is in the basement and we just found mold in the a/c coils whatever spores are left after the basement was wiped down and hepa vacuumed that there still might be just enough spores to drift up into the kitchen which is located directly above the basement that could possibly be causing the problem. I dont have the same negative effect in the living room because the living room is directly above the crawl space which has just had a vapor barrier installed and has been confirmed by Carl not to have any mold. I went down into the basement yesterday and became light headed within minutes whether one has anything to do the other I may never know. > > Regarding this effect in kitchen that you feel hits at hotter times: In my house and in many, above kitchens are bathrooms due to running pipes, it is closest to put plumbing in an adjacent area, so if bathroom is directly above kitchen and warmer weather you notice something in kitchen, I would say investigate bathroom fixtures if they are above/ if floor of bathroom is in ceiling of kitchen, and air can come down through openings in ceiling like light or in cavities of wall, openings cut in wall for windows, and the like. See if you put nose up to these openings, do you smell anything at these times. That is what I would check. > > > Why does the ambient temperature cause me to become so symptomatic, the hotter it gets the worst I feel. i just don't get it. > > > > Can someone please explain this to me? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 ACsn the window get moldy too. My friend takes them apart and cleans them every couple months this time there was mold on the blowers In a message dated 8/15/2010 2:38:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tug_slug@... writes: Dr Thrasher thats exactly the area that Im talking about. Back in May when we first moved in I was going around the house making sure there werent any leaks and sure enought the nut that attaches the handle to the copper tubing to the cold water wasnt tight and it was leaking water into that 2 " space. When I saw it I freaked but at the time all I could do is tighten the nut and hope that it wasnt leaking long enough for mold to grow. As time went on and I wasnt getting sick I was sure that the area was mold free. Last month when I turned on the a/c and got sick I thought it was the crawl space that was causing the problem thats when I called Carl to come over see why I wasnt feeling well. One thing led to another and I was still getting sick so I cut a 3 " x3 " piece out of the bottom of the cabinet and asked the mold remediator to look at the space between the sub-floor and the bottom of the cabinet. After a visual inspection he said he didnt see anything and that it shouldnt be a concern. Come to find out it was the a/c coils that had the mold and I honestly believe its because of those a/c coils and the mold spores that were distributed through out the house are the reason that Im feeling the way I am today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 I had the same thing. I flused it and flushed it with vinager and baking soda, hot water.    God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: safersmilesdentallab <safersmilesdentallab@...> Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 1:34:20 AM Subject: [] Re: Please Explain  There have been some places I lived where mold smell came out from the drain itself. I had my sink removed first thing... & inspected & cleaned under there. I removed as much of the bottom of my metal sink cabinet as was possible so that it would get air & I could see if a leak ever developed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Maybe when it gets very hot, the a/c is on more and air is circulating from the basement more but then you would probably feel it all over the house. > > Barb, thanks for the suggestion but theres nothing above the kitchen, beings we have vaulted cielings if there was a leak Im sure we would have seen it by now. > > Im thinking that because the hvac is in the basement and we just found mold in the a/c coils whatever spores are left after the basement was wiped down and hepa vacuumed that there still might be just enough spores to drift up into the kitchen which is located directly above the basement that could possibly be causing the problem. I dont have the same negative effect in the living room because the living room is directly above the crawl space which has just had a vapor barrier installed and has been confirmed by Carl not to have any mold. > > I went down into the basement yesterday and became light headed within minutes whether one has anything to do the other I may never know. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Dr Thrasher thats exactly the area that Im talking about. Back in May when we first moved in I was going around the house making sure there werent any leaks and sure enought the nut that attaches the handle to the copper tubing to the cold water wasnt tight and it was leaking water into that 2 " space. When I saw it I freaked but at the time all I could do is tighten the nut and hope that it wasnt leaking long enough for mold to grow. As time went on and I wasnt getting sick I was sure that the area was mold free. Last month when I turned on the a/c and got sick I thought it was the crawl space that was causing the problem thats when I called Carl to come over see why I wasnt feeling well. One thing led to another and I was still getting sick so I cut a 3 " x3 " piece out of the bottom of the cabinet and asked the mold remediator to look at the space between the sub-floor and the bottom of the cabinet. After a visual inspection he said he didnt see anything and that it shouldnt be a concern. Come to find out it was the a/c coils that had the mold and I honestly believe its because of those a/c coils and the mold spores that were distributed through out the house are the reason that Im feeling the way I am today --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > There is usually about a two inch space under the cabinets. I doubt if visual inspection is sufficient to see everything under the cabinets > > Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. > Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist > www.drthrasher.org > toxicologist1@... > Off: 916-745-4703 > Cell: 575-937-1150 > > > L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC > Trauma Specialist > sandracrawley@... > 916-745-4703 - Off > 775-309-3994 - Cell > > > > > This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 As expected its starting to warm up and Im feeling more symptomatic and I havent gone anywhere near the kitchen. --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > There is usually about a two inch space under the cabinets. I doubt if visual inspection is sufficient to see everything under the cabinets > > Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. > Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist > www.drthrasher.org > toxicologist1@... > Off: 916-745-4703 > Cell: 575-937-1150 > > > L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC > Trauma Specialist > sandracrawley@... > 916-745-4703 - Off > 775-309-3994 - Cell > > > > > This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 There's two ways drains can cause odor. But first is the odor coming out of the drain or near the drain? If out of the drain and the water isn't used for a few weeks then the water in the trap has evaporated allowing sewer odors to escape. The purpose of the water in the trap is to block those odors and gasses. If the drain is actively used and multiple attempts to clean it doesn't work then there is a layer of grease, food material, soap scum, etc on the drain pipe down to the water in the trap. Because it's above the water it will continue to smell. Because it's thick and greasy most liquid cleaners are rarely successful. You have to remove the drain hole grid strainer and physically swab the pipe. Or replace the pipe and trap. Both are relatively inexpensive and can be done by a handyman type. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC (fm my Blackberry) [] Re: Please Explain  There have been some places I lived where mold smell came out from the drain itself. I had my sink removed first thing... & inspected & cleaned under there. I removed as much of the bottom of my metal sink cabinet as was possible so that it would get air & I could see if a leak ever developed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Tug, It might help to keep a written diary of events and reactions because your recent posts here are not consistent. They keep looping back to things you previously said were okay. This often means memory is affected. Writing is a way to correct that. Writing doesn't change but memory does. In one sense you have already done that with your posts here. Go back and read the sequence of events and note your conclusions for each one. Also note the facts about how mold acts, how mold spores do and do not travel in the air, and if they cross-contaminate all the house then you will react to all the house, not just in the kitchen. Note how changing detergent stopped many reactions in much of the house, esp the bedroom and closet areas became non-reactive. If I've read them correctly the whole house was eventually made non-reactive except for part of the kitchen. If your reactions continue to be from when the A/C coils were cleaned and spread around the house then you would have been reacting throughout the house ever since. But you aren't. And surfaces throughout have been professionally cleaned. Therefore that couldn't be what is triggering your reactions because they stopped after that woei You recently reported that even the kitchen bothered you only during warm parts of the day. Then you reacted during warm times when out of the house. Both cannot be true. Also, I've noted that chemical exposure from detergent and personal care products were involved with significant improvement when those were corrected. But you continue to insist mold is the problem. Why the intense focus on mold? That is now the least of your exposures. Until you establish and accept a consistent history you will keep going in circles and keep moving until all your fears come true. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC (fm my Blackberry) [] Re: Please Explain Dr Thrasher thats exactly the area that Im talking about. Back in May when we first moved in I was going around the house making sure there werent any leaks and sure enought the nut that attaches the handle to the copper tubing to the cold water wasnt tight and it was leaking water into that 2 " space. When I saw it I freaked but at the time all I could do is tighten the nut and hope that it wasnt leaking long enough for mold to grow. As time went on and I wasnt getting sick I was sure that the area was mold free. Last month when I turned on the a/c and got sick I thought it was the crawl space that was causing the problem thats when I called Carl to come over see why I wasnt feeling well. One thing led to another and I was still getting sick so I cut a 3 " x3 " piece out of the bottom of the cabinet and asked the mold remediator to look at the space between the sub-floor and the bottom of the cabinet. After a visual inspection he said he didnt see anything and that it shouldnt be a concern. Come to find out it was the a/c coils that had the mold and I honestly believe its because of those a/c coils and the mold spores that were distributed through out the house are the reason that Im feeling the way I am today --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > There is usually about a two inch space under the cabinets. I doubt if visual inspection is sufficient to see everything under the cabinets > > Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. > Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist > www.drthrasher.org > toxicologist1@... > Off: 916-745-4703 > Cell: 575-937-1150 > > > L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC > Trauma Specialist > sandracrawley@... > 916-745-4703 - Off > 775-309-3994 - Cell > > > > > This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Im sorry Carl I'll try to give you a better idea of how and when I react. When I first wake up in the morning I feel perfectly normal but as the day progress and the house warms up I start to feel light headed, dizzy and experience brain fog (mostly in the kitchen). In the past when I felt like this and I'd go to the gym (that's about the only place I go for any length of time) my head would clear up and I'd feel better but the minute I'd get into my truck the same symptoms would return almost immediately. Now when I go to the gym the those symptoms never go away. When I lived in my sick condo I experienced the same problems. Feel good in the morning, crappy in the afternoon and would partially recover in the evening so this isn't anything new. BTW you were right about the musty smell in the crawl space. I just had an hvac tech come over to see what it was going to take to get new a/c coils and get the a/c to drain properly and I showed him how good the crawl space looked. When I opened up the access door I expected that strong musty odor and was pleasantly surprised when it was none existent. > > Tug, > > It might help to keep a written diary of events and reactions because your recent posts here are not consistent. They keep looping back to things you previously said were okay. This often means memory is affected. Writing is a way to correct that. Writing doesn't change but memory does. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 We moved into the house in May and have run the a/c 3 times all summer long. The second time I ran it I became ill thats when I had Carl come over to check the house out to see what could possibly be getting me sick. Believe me, I have looked at this as logically and subjectively as humanly possible and the only conclusion that I can come up with that makes any sense is that even though the remediation company that hepa vacuumed and wiped down the basement did an incredible job theres just enough mold spores rising up from the basement to the kitchen making me ill. > > Maybe when it gets very hot, the a/c is on more and air is circulating from the basement more but then you would probably feel it all over the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Thanks, Tug, for taking my questions and statements in a positive way for the purpose of helping. I'm glad you have confirmed the success of the sealed vapor barrier in the crawlspace. Sorting through the complexity, as seen by several of the INCREDIBLE stories other brave people have posted today, is difficult. Diligence is required to keep it all straight so we can move forward instead of in circles. Congratulations on work well done! Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- Im sorry Carl I'll try to give you a better idea of how and when I react. When I first wake up in the morning I feel perfectly normal but as the day progress and the house warms up I start to feel light headed, dizzy and experience brain fog (mostly in the kitchen). In the past when I felt like this and I'd go to the gym (that's about the only place I go for any length of time) my head would clear up and I'd feel better but the minute I'd get into my truck the same symptoms would return almost immediately. Now when I go to the gym the those symptoms never go away. When I lived in my sick condo I experienced the same problems. Feel good in the morning, crappy in the afternoon and would partially recover in the evening so this isn't anything new. BTW you were right about the musty smell in the crawl space. I just had an hvac tech come over to see what it was going to take to get new a/c coils and get the a/c to drain properly and I showed him how good the crawl space looked. When I opened up the access door I expected that strong musty odor and was pleasantly surprised when it was none existent. > > Tug, > > It might help to keep a written diary of events and reactions because your recent posts here are not consistent. They keep looping back to things you previously said were okay. This often means memory is affected. Writing is a way to correct that. Writing doesn't change but memory does. > > ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 16 Jun 2009, 0:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Tug, I trust your intuition that something is coming from the kitchen. I question your reasoning that it is mold. But even if it is mold, I question your reasoning of how it gets to the kitchen from the basement. If there is a source of mold in the basement it will come upstairs in the air through the air pathway of least resistance. That is the stairway and the furnace ducting (even when the blower is not running). The pathway of greatest resistance is the solid kitchen floor. Neither the mold spores (particle) nor the VOCs (chemical) will penetrate the solid kitchen floor and your floor covering. They MUST come through one of the other pathways. To come through either of those pathways means the " mold " will be in other areas of the house first before it can move to the kitchen. All areas of the house, in fact. Which means if you are reacting to " whatever is in the basement " then you will be reacting to all other areas of the house. But you aren't. So you are reacting to something in parts of the kitchen. That is a fact. But it cannot be coming from the basement because you are not reacting to other areas of the house. That is also a fact. And the two facts cannot both be true. It is one or the other. That doesn't mean you aren't reacting in the kitchen. But as others have recently described in their stories today they had to stop with the " mold only " theory before they could make improvements. Some also had to confront their beliefs and fears before they could change behavior and their thinking. I admire your energy to get this figured out. Keep working at it in a detailed way with logic and facts that work. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- We moved into the house in May and have run the a/c 3 times all summer long. The second time I ran it I became ill thats when I had Carl come over to check the house out to see what could possibly be getting me sick. Believe me, I have looked at this as logically and subjectively as humanly possible and the only conclusion that I can come up with that makes any sense is that even though the remediation company that hepa vacuumed and wiped down the basement did an incredible job theres just enough mold spores rising up from the basement to the kitchen making me ill. > > Maybe when it gets very hot, the a/c is on more and air is circulating from the basement more but then you would probably feel it all over the house. ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 16 Jun 2009, 0:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Thanks Carl, I slept in the master bedroom last night and was so dizzy when I woke up I almost fell down twice. Im accepting that my days in this house are numbered and am thinking about moving back to my home town to try to recover.Because of my financial situation I may end up having to sleep in a relatives empty garage but at least there I'll know there's no running water or chemicals that could possibly make me feel sick I remember when Tommy emailed me with a similar situation and was planning on moving to the desert. I really felt sorry for him and thought he was over reacting but now that Im in a similar situation I can see why he felt it necessary to go to such extremes. Right now I'd give anything in the world to have my health back, unfortunately the cost to recover is going to cost me my relationship with my g/f. Carl, your knowledge and wisdom have been a God send you helped us find and fix things in this house that we would have never thought of fixing. As you know my g/f according to the eye chart has the same gene I do but for whatever reasons doesnt react the same. Had it not been for you she may have stayed here and became ill never knowing why. I'll never be able to thank you enough, I sincerely mean that Tug > > Tug, > > I trust your intuition that something is coming from the kitchen. I > question your reasoning that it is mold. But even if it is mold, I > question your reasoning of how it gets to the kitchen from the > basement. > > If there is a source of mold in the basement it will come upstairs > in the air through the air pathway of least resistance. That is the > stairway and the furnace ducting (even when the blower is not > running). > > The pathway of greatest resistance is the solid kitchen floor. > Neither the mold spores (particle) nor the VOCs (chemical) will > penetrate the solid kitchen floor and your floor covering. They > MUST come through one of the other pathways. > > To come t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Thank you, Tug. Please keep in touch and let me know how it works out, whatever you decide. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC (fm my Blackberry) [] Re: Please Explain Thanks Carl, I slept in the master bedroom last night and was so dizzy when I woke up I almost fell down twice. Im accepting that my days in this house are numbered and am thinking about moving back to my home town to try to recover.Because of my financial situation I may end up having to sleep in a relatives empty garage but at least there I'll know there's no running water or chemicals that could possibly make me feel sick I remember when Tommy emailed me with a similar situation and was planning on moving to the desert. I really felt sorry for him and thought he was over reacting but now that Im in a similar situation I can see why he felt it necessary to go to such extremes. Right now I'd give anything in the world to have my health back, unfortunately the cost to recover is going to cost me my relationship with my g/f. Carl, your knowledge and wisdom have been a God send you helped us find and fix things in this house that we would have never thought of fixing. As you know my g/f according to the eye chart has the same gene I do but for whatever reasons doesnt react the same. Had it not been for you she may have stayed here and became ill never knowing why. I'll never be able to thank you enough, I sincerely mean that Tug > > Tug, > > I trust your intuition that something is coming from the kitchen. I > question your reasoning that it is mold. But even if it is mold, I > question your reasoning of how it gets to the kitchen from the > basement. > > If there is a source of mold in the basement it will come upstairs > in the air through the air pathway of least resistance. That is the > stairway and the furnace ducting (even when the blower is not > running). > > The pathway of greatest resistance is the solid kitchen floor. > Neither the mold spores (particle) nor the VOCs (chemical) will > penetrate the solid kitchen floor and your floor covering. They > MUST come through one of the other pathways. > > To come t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 has anyone checked the various types of emf levels in different parts of the house, another possible source of symptoms. sue v. >Thanks Carl, I slept in the master bedroom last night and was so dizzy >when I woke up I almost fell down twice. Im accepting that my days in > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 EMF levels? > > has anyone checked the various types of emf levels in different parts of > the house, another possible source of symptoms. sue v. > > > >Thanks Carl, I slept in the master bedroom last night and was so dizzy > >when I woke up I almost fell down twice. Im accepting that my days in > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 electro magnetic fields, different kinds, from cell phones, towers and masts, from wifi, from faulty wiring, from lots of appliances and electronics, some people develop mold and or chemical sensitivity and then go on to develop electromagnetic frequency sensitivity. Join emfrefugee group and you will learn alot, also read wireless radiation rescue by kerry crofton, devra davis epidemiologist has a new book on cell phone radiation, sam milham has a new book called dirty electricity, all interesting reads. easy steps you can take to reduce emfs: replace cordless phone w/corded landline phone, replace wireless internet w/corded internet (dsl or cable), keep your cell phone turned off and only use in emergencies... sue sue >EMF levels? > > >> >> has anyone checked the various types of emf levels in different parts of >> the house, another possible source of symptoms. sue v. >> >> >> >Thanks Carl, I slept in the master bedroom last night and was so dizzy >> >when I woke up I almost fell down twice. Im accepting that my days in >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2010 Report Share Posted August 29, 2010 Odors present when the sun shines on the building could also be associated with insects or bees. I have seen this behind siding on the south side of several homes. Connie Morbach, M.S., CHMM, CIE Sanit-Air, Inc. cleanlinest.com > > > > Regarding this effect in kitchen that you feel hits at hotter times: In my house and in many, above kitchens are bathrooms due to running pipes, it is closest to put plumbing in an adjacent area, so if bathroom is directly above kitchen and warmer weather you notice something in kitchen, I would say investigate bathroom fixtures if they are above/ if floor of bathroom is in ceiling of kitchen, and air can come down through openings in ceiling like light or in cavities of wall, openings cut in wall for windows, and the like. See if you put nose up to these openings, do you smell anything at these times. That is what I would check. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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