New Realizations/Re: Relocation Accomplished

[Guest guest]

Joe,

We've all been through this with you before so I don't understand why you keep

scaring people.

If the " mold facts of life " were as you say then you and all the rest if us

would have died long ago. Most people are not as impacted as the long term

members of this group. Why? Because their individual situation is just that,

individual, and they recover. No reason to stick around the pain and (often)

unnecessary negativity so they leave.

My case took 10 Years. With informed management and diligent discipline I

function at a very high rate. But not all the time.

A hugh mistake is to always KEEP moving without knowing if the new place (or

car) will be better or worse than where you are now.

The act of fleeing is not the " cure. " Fleeing at the right time to a better

place is what helps.

And that is a key value with this group.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[] New Realizations/Re: Relocation Accomplished

Hi Robin,

After reading your post, I had to go back and read the entire chain of posts,

because I thought that there must be something wrong with MY brain, as I felt I

could not have possibly read what I THOUGHT that I had read.

Please correct me, if I have misinterpreted what you have said. You said that

you have escaped a moldy home, which your non-reactive husband is remediating.

You said that you are already beginning to experience a major improvement in

your symptoms. Then, you said that you spent an hour and a half in the home of a

new neighbor, who you are aware has a mold problem in their home, BECAUSE THEY

ARE NICE. Then you describe how that visit made you sick and described your

process of recovery from the mold exposure symptoms in your new neighbor's home.

If I've got any of that wrong, please tell me.

Now, let me tell you the " mold facts of life " . From the moment of our first mold

exposure, a clock starts ticking. When that clock ticks long enough, our

symptoms and suffering become irreversible. After our symptoms reach the point

where they become irreversible, the clock keeps ticking, until it reaches the

point that our continuing mold exposure KILLS US [it reached that point for my

dad, on October 11, 2008.]

The clock does not care whether your mold exposure is from your OWN home, or the

home of your " NICE NEIGHBOR " . Next time you bake some cookies to bring to your

" nice neighbor " , please smell the mold-not the cookies. Please wake up, while

you are still alive to be able to wake up-stay OUT of that neighbor's moldy

house.

God Bless,

Joe

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>

> Hey Tug,

>

> Thank you for your thoughtful response.

>

> This is what I am getting so far..

>

> symptoms down.. breathless gone and chest pressure.. more

[Guest guest]

Hey, Carl, that's not what I'd say, but if that's what you'd say, that's fine.

I said, " If you're mold sensitive. "

I've been travelling around the country since I left my

stachy-aspergillus-contaminated apartment which had had 11 leaks and floods over

a 2 year period during gut renovation of the building.

It had mold issues before--how do I know? Because of low level reactions. But

add in me getting lyme and the problems getting so much worse in my apt and the

building and it was serious. Other people were getting ill, too. Not all. Some

were fine.

I believe most insulation is going to hold moisture and mold. I've been in

hotels, b & b's, homes, " safe " MCS condos--and I've seen problems in almost all of

them. Some were minor enough to be tolerated by me--an excellent b & b with some

bathroom mold. There were rainy days I had bladder inflammation, cracking

joints, etc.

A green hotel whose entire hvac system, the individual units and the big lobby

unit, was mold contaminated. I could smell it everywhere.

My friend's excellent home--the basement had started to mold, without any leaks.

Because it's humid in Georgia and the basement was finished. A basement needs to

breathe. Consider a finished basement with drywall and all the moisture in soil.

Sorry, its gonna mold.

We (not me, but our society) build like idiots.

And some people don't react--they don't have the genetic predisposition and they

can detox mold toxins. Or maybe they DO react. Maybe it's a load on their system

they don't understand. Are those occupants vigorously exercising and drug free?

No benadryl, no claritin, no allegies, no tylenol? Did you enquire? What is

" healthy " ?

Whatever. I've been in one MCS safe home without mold or toxins. It had other

issues and the owner was bizarre. But it had no mold or toxic chemicals which

was astounding in comparison to every other place I've been. It was built right

(for now. Who knows in 20 years).

The safe condos in Florida--unfortunately tropical storm damage had soaked the

insulation a few years ago. Correct remediation a la Shoemaker was not enough. I

reacted to stachy toxins within 2 hours. I know my reaction to stachy toxins as

its very specific.

That's why I say, what is reacting to are stachy toxins. Not spores. They

stick to things for YEARS. I don't know why.

>

> " if you're mold sensitive, almost nothing out there is going to be

> safe. All standard construction is so messed up it inevitably gets

> moldy. "

>

> A little fine-tuning of the above:

>

> While I generally agree with both statements I don't think they are

> always true. We have to remember that each support group has

> it's own culture. Some feel like they fit in and and stay but others

> don't and they leave. So each group tends to become self-

> selecting and self-supportive. Also, there are many who never

> find any of these groups and most don't need the help we can

> offer.

>

> I have a client right now where the water damage and mold

> occurred over two months ago. The original contractor totally

> botched it and cross-contaminated the entire house. But none of

> the occupants have any problems. A different contractor has just

> finished the main problem area but has denied any further need

> (insurance issues). The occupants still don't have any health

> issues. Another contractor will begin work tomorrow to complete

> the job and then the rebuild can begin. One person has some