Re: OT: avoiding wifi places

[Guest guest]

barb,

don't know about this device, but I just read the book wireless

radiation rescue by kerry crofton & she tells you which meters to use to

test which kinds of emfs, also has lots of practical solutions for

reducing your emf exposure. and yes, the wifi could cause you to sleep

poorly, can cause all the many different symptoms that mold, chemicals,

etc. can cause....bottom line we are meant to resonate at the earth's

natural frequency which is .00001 or something units of measurement ( i

forget the units name) vs up to 100,000,000 units of measurement being

radiated down on us.....and the toys just keep getting stronger,

99.9999% of population is oblivious...but there is hope, Natural News

has an article today on electrosmog pollution and he has a pretty big

following....there is a group-emfrefugee or gees....of people

looking to escape the electrosmog....i have contacted hotels, they all

have wifi, people in their ignorance want it, so one more thing to be

subjected to when traveling, that along w/pesticide and chemical

spraying in rooms makes me want to get a trailer...

sue v

>I wonder if this would be practical in finding wifi signals in order to

>avoid them, rather than use them.

>

>http://www.amazon.com/Alpec-Red-Laser-WiFi-Detector/dp/B001BHNJQI/

>ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8 & qid=1276137714 & sr=8-16-spell

>

>I think high wifi signals over stimulate my nervous system and wonder

>what other mischief they are up to in my body. I stayed at an Embassy

>Suites that was immaculate, had central air and heater in each room with

>good filter that was clean, not a spec of dust anywhere, no odors but I

>was mystified by fact I could not get any sleep, I just tossed and

>turned all night and usually allergy free room, helps me relax and sleep

>well. The only thing I could think of is that it caters to executive

>travelors, which means probably computers and cellphone in every room

>and maybe going, not turned off at night. Many hotels have wifi in rooms

>but I imagine with their demanding clientelle they may have stronger

>signals so no complaints of not getting good reception. I think its a

>reasonable guess. I tried the Suites more than once with same problem.

>There was no noise either.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the information. I know it was something at hotel because after a

couple of sleepless nights, I checked out and went elsewhere and could sleep so

it was something there. I am a very light sleeper so sleep is more easily

disturbed but I learned something from it. As good as Embassy Suites looked, it

isn't a good place for me.

>

> barb,

>

> don't know about this device, but I just read the book wireless

> radiation rescue by kerry crofton & she tells you which meters to use to

> test which kinds of emfs, also has lots of practical solutions for

> reducing your emf exposure. and yes, the wifi could cause you to sleep

> poorly, can cause all the many different symptoms that mold, chemicals,

> etc. can cause....bottom line we are meant to resonate at the earth's

> natural frequency which is .00001 or something units of measurement ( i

> forget the units name) vs up to 100,000,000 units of measurement being

> radiated down on us.....and the toys just keep getting stronger,

> 99.9999% of population is oblivious...but there is hope, Natural News

> has an article today on electrosmog pollution and he has a pretty big

> following....there is a group-emfrefugee or gees....of people

> looking to escape the electrosmog....i have contacted hotels, they all

> have wifi, people in their ignorance want it, so one more thing to be

> subjected to when traveling, that along w/pesticide and chemical

> spraying in rooms makes me want to get a trailer...

>

> sue v

>

[Guest guest]

electrosensitivity.org

recommends devices from here

http://www.lessemf.com/

>

> barb,

>

> don't know about this device, but I just read the book wireless

> radiation rescue by kerry crofton & she tells you which meters to use to

> test which kinds of emfs, also has lots of practical solutions for

> reducing your emf exposure. and yes, the wifi could cause you to sleep

> poorly, can cause all the many different symptoms that mold, chemicals,

> etc. can cause....bottom line we are meant to resonate at the earth's

> natural frequency which is .00001 or something units of measurement ( i

> forget the units name) vs up to 100,000,000 units of measurement being

> radiated down on us.....and the toys just keep getting stronger,

> 99.9999% of population is oblivious...but there is hope, Natural News

> has an article today on electrosmog pollution and he has a pretty big

> following....there is a group-emfrefugee or gees....of people

> looking to escape the electrosmog....i have contacted hotels, they all

> have wifi, people in their ignorance want it, so one more thing to be

> subjected to when traveling, that along w/pesticide and chemical

> spraying in rooms makes me want to get a trailer...

>

> sue v

>

> >I wonder if this would be practical in finding wifi signals in order to

> >avoid them, rather than use them.

> >

> >http://www.amazon.com/Alpec-Red-Laser-WiFi-Detector/dp/B001BHNJQI/

> >ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8 & qid=1276137714 & sr=8-16-spell

> >

> >I think high wifi signals over stimulate my nervous system and wonder

> >what other mischief they are up to in my body. I stayed at an Embassy

> >Suites that was immaculate, had central air and heater in each room with

> >good filter that was clean, not a spec of dust anywhere, no odors but I

> >was mystified by fact I could not get any sleep, I just tossed and

> >turned all night and usually allergy free room, helps me relax and sleep

> >well. The only thing I could think of is that it caters to executive

> >travelors, which means probably computers and cellphone in every room

> >and maybe going, not turned off at night. Many hotels have wifi in rooms

> >but I imagine with their demanding clientelle they may have stronger

> >signals so no complaints of not getting good reception. I think its a

> >reasonable guess. I tried the Suites more than once with same problem.

> >There was no noise either.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have occasionally experienced bad wifi sensitivity in a hotel. I was staying

at a mold-free, nontoxic Wingate in Alpharetta last week, and within half an

hour I noticed wifi symptoms (edgy, metallic taste, and headache). For the 2

days there I had metallic taste, poor sleep, and a migraine. Going out in the

car for a ride, it cleared up, back in the hotel it came back.

Many other hotels have lesser signals, or maybe the routers aren't as close to

the room. I really don't know what it is. I'd say check out a room for 20-30

minutes, just sit in it, before you take it.

>

> Thanks for the information. I know it was something at hotel because after a

couple of sleepless nights, I checked out and went elsewhere and could sleep so

it was something there. I am a very light sleeper so sleep is more easily

disturbed but I learned something from it. As good as Embassy Suites looked, it

isn't a good place for me.

>

[Guest guest]

Migraine, metallic taste and feeling edgy can also be pesticides. About every

hotel in the country uses them, unfortunately.

> >

> > Thanks for the information. I know it was something at hotel because after

a couple of sleepless nights, I checked out and went elsewhere and could sleep

so it was something there. I am a very light sleeper so sleep is more easily

disturbed but I learned something from it. As good as Embassy Suites looked, it

isn't a good place for me.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I specifically react to certain wifi routers, not sure why. It first happened in

a small house I rented for a few weeks. No pesticides at all; the woman who

lived there before used only green products. But there was a wifi router in the

adjacent apt for the entire house.

Then at this hotel--a Wingate in Alpharetta, GA--I highly doubt any pesticides

in this upscale hotel, in an area without any bugs (suburban/corporate).

I also have milder reactions in some stores. Like Wholefoods in Marietta, GA

today. Just a sort of agitation and I can feel pressure in certain places and

want to leave.

>

> Migraine, metallic taste and feeling edgy can also be pesticides. About every

hotel in the country uses them, unfortunately.

>

[Guest guest]

This would have had to be some really heavy duty pesticides to keep me up

because it kept me up for two nights totally. Under EMF side affects headaches

and insomnia are the two top complaints.

It's unfortunate that so much pesticide is sprayed. Problem is that if they did

not and someone saw a bug, people wouldn't stay there, also restaurants and

groceries. Keeping the place ultra clean would work best but they depend on

hired help and cannot be sure people they hire will clean the place as if it

were their own.

I use sticky traps at home in some areas were bugs could enter but one got stuck

on a pet once. If it got stuck to their face, it would smother them, horrible

death or kids and babies can get in to them. We would probably prefer bugs to

pesticides but few other people would. I don't want either.

>

> Migraine, metallic taste and feeling edgy can also be pesticides. About every

hotel in the country uses them, unfortunately.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ha ha ha, no pesticides at wingate... Im sorry. Really and the roaches are the

size of small dogs for those of you not in the south. But really, I did work in

that building several times. But I doubt there is anywhere around the whole city

where there wont be strong signals. There is wireless stuff EVERYWHERE.

________________________________

From: cocopollyphenol <cocopollyphenol@...>

Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 5:45:07 PM

Subject: [] Re: OT: avoiding wifi places

I specifically react to certain wifi routers, not sure why. It first happened in

a small house I rented for a few weeks. No pesticides at all; the woman who

lived there before used only green products. But there was a wifi router in the

adjacent apt for the entire house.

Then at this hotel--a Wingate in Alpharetta, GA--I highly doubt any pesticides

in this upscale hotel, in an area without any bugs (suburban/corporate).

I also have milder reactions in some stores. Like Wholefoods in Marietta, GA

today. Just a sort of agitation and I can feel pressure in certain places and

want to leave.

[Guest guest]

The signals are stronger and more numerous in some places than others. Ever

hear the commercial " can you hear me now? " There is a big difference in emf's

I'm sure in a place that offers free wifi than places that don't.

I don't have any wireless things in my home. I'm sure if I had wireless

computer there would be higher emf's in my house. I don't use a wireless phone

and my cellphone is usually turned off unless I'm using it, which I use very

seldom. I have houses on three sides of me but not real close and no other

streets close to here. When I'm out though people around me on phones but don't

assume the signals are all the same no matter where you are, if you are near a

tower, or in a place that provides free wifi.

>

> Ha ha ha, no pesticides at wingate... Im sorry. Really and the roaches are the

size of small dogs for those of you not in the south. But really, I did work in

that building several times. But I doubt there is anywhere around the whole city

where there wont be strong signals. There is wireless stuff EVERYWHERE.

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not doubting the reactions but am curious how to identify it as wifi rather

than any of the other myriad EMF sources like wireless phones which have much

stronger signals, cell phones, TV or radio towers, even the transformers

powering these devices or appliances.

If you can tell the difference I suspect it is because of the frequency. Each

type and generation of device uses a different frequency band.

Go to Antennasearch.com to see how many of what kind of towers are near you. But

it won't identify what your neighbor is using for wifi or wireless landline.

As for pesticide use there are equally effective techniques known as Integrated

Pest Management or IPM. Used to be controversial but more widely accepted now

and being strongly pushed by govt agencies.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[Guest guest]

Carl, Poorly worded subject line. I didn't mean to imply that I could tell

signal was from wifi, but rather all the sources you mention. I don't know how

I could avoid, while traveling about doing errands, etc, cellphone towers, etc,

except to not use them at home, but I can try to avoid wifi places as they are

more confined to places that have decided to offer free access to wifi signals,

and advertise it or you can tell because people are sitting using their

computers there.

My sleep is easily affected by many things so to identify them helps me. It

will likely affect my decision of where to relocate for retirement or more

likely second career as my job is holding me to the Ohio River Valley. I have

15 years in at my current work place.

>

> I'm not doubting the reactions but am curious how to identify it as wifi

rather than any of the other myriad EMF sources like wireless phones which have

much stronger signals, cell phones, TV or radio towers, even the transformers

powering these devices or appliances.

>

> If you can tell the difference I suspect it is because of the frequency. Each

type and generation of device uses a different frequency band.

>

> Go to Antennasearch.com to see how many of what kind of towers are near you.

But it won't identify what your neighbor is using for wifi or wireless

landline.

>

> As for pesticide use there are equally effective techniques known as

Integrated Pest Management or IPM. Used to be controversial but more widely

accepted now and being strongly pushed by govt agencies.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

> (fm my Blackberry)

>

[Guest guest]

You worked at the Wingate in Alpharetta?

I did not say there were no pesticides.

I said I specifically react to wifi in some stores and hotels.

Maybe on a subtle level in many areas, but specifically had a migraine and metal

taste for two days at the Wingate there; and formerly at a rental in an older

cute little four family home in Buckhead, where nobody had sprayed.

We're at a Comfort Inn in Marietta with a weak wifi signal and I feel much

better, except for the mold.

It is screamingly hot in Atlanta, has been since mid April, and it's

unbelievably humid, and 99% of hotels and homes have mold.

>

> Ha ha ha, no pesticides at wingate... Im sorry. Really and the roaches are the

size of small dogs for those of you not in the south. But really, I did work in

that building several times. But I doubt there is anywhere around the whole city

where there wont be strong signals. There is wireless stuff EVERYWHERE.

>

[Guest guest]

I only know by my reaction. I use an iphone all the time (tho on speakerphone

when talking; but also for email) and I don't notice adverse effects (not saying

they don't exist, of course, just that I don't notice). I notice in lower EMF

places in general--where I can get cellphone coverage, but aren't loaded with

towers and microwave dishes, I generally feel better.

However, I've had two specific reactions to wifi.

First, moved into a small apartment, mostly mold free, unrenovated, in an older

four family home in Buckhead section of Atlanta. Good air circulation etc.

Within a few days started noticing a metallic taste, a feeling of heeby jeeby

reaction to sounds that had a scraping quality, increasing insomnia, a feeling

like my eye sockets were being pulled out or pressed on, and total insomnia. It

was so bad I was ready to leave and sleep in the street. I just had a feeling it

was the wifi router in the apt next door so asked them to turn it off for 24

hours as a test. I felt infinitely better, but still screwed up in the house, so

I have a feeling the house had other EMF issues, which the wifi magnified and

thus sensitized me. I've read since that some houses have poor old wiring,

crossed wiring, whatever, and have EMF fields that are way too high. In

addition, there were low slung powerlines all down the street, and I'm not sure

if those affected the homes.

Having had that terrifying reaction, I then was on the lookout I suppose. I was

hyper sensitized to wifi for weeks, and would notice it in large stores and feel

foggy and weird and wired. Slowly my body seemed to calm down as we stayed for a

while at a hotel in a room that had a weak wifi or nonexistent wifi signal and

required ethernet hookup.

At the WIngate in Alpharetta, within half an hour of unpacking in the room, I

noticed the metallic taste coming back for the first time in months. I also had

a nonstop headache except when I left the hotel to drive around to get lunch the

next day. I also slept very fitfully.

It is getting increasingly hard to avoid wifi, and stronger and stronger routers

are being used in hotels, homes, apartment buildings. It seems like another

disaster in the offing for sensitive folks.

>

> I'm not doubting the reactions but am curious how to identify it as wifi

rather than any of the other myriad EMF sources like wireless phones which have

much stronger signals, cell phones, TV or radio towers, even the transformers

powering these devices or appliances.

>

> If you can tell the difference I suspect it is because of the frequency. Each

type and generation of device uses a different frequency band.

>

> Go to Antennasearch.com to see how many of what kind of towers are near you.

But it won't identify what your neighbor is using for wifi or wireless

landline.

>

> As for pesticide use there are equally effective techniques known as

Integrated Pest Management or IPM. Used to be controversial but more widely

accepted now and being strongly pushed by govt agencies.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

> (fm my Blackberry)

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I understand. And I was responding to others who, if I remember

correctly, were discussing reacting differently to different types of

wifi. So, unless I'm totally off base here, I'd like to here from them

about their experience.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

Carl, Poorly worded subject line. I didn't mean to imply that I could tell

signal was from wifi, but rather all the sources you mention. I don't know how I

could avoid, while traveling about doing errands, etc, cellphone towers, etc,

except to not use them at home, but I can try to avoid wifi places as they are

more confined to places that have decided to offer free access to wifi signals,

and advertise it or you can tell because people are sitting using their

computers there.

My sleep is easily affected by many things so to identify them helps me. It will

likely affect my decision of where to relocate for retirement or more likely

second career as my job is holding me to the Ohio River Valley. I have 15 years

in at my current work place.

>

> I'm not doubting the reactions but am curious how to identify it as wifi

rather than any of the other myriad EMF sources like wireless phones which have

much stronger signals, cell phones, TV or radio towers, even the transformers

powering these devices or appliances.

>

> If you can tell the difference I suspect it is because of the frequency. Each

type and generation of device uses a different frequency band.

>

> Go to Antennasearch.com to see how many of what kind of towers are near you.

But it won't identify what your neighbor is using for wifi or wireless landline.

>

> As for pesticide use there are equally effective techniques known as

Integrated Pest Management or IPM. Used to be controversial but more widely

accepted now and being strongly pushed by govt agencies.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

> (fm my Blackberry)

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the additional info and your detective work. Wi-fi routers operate

at different frequencies usually in different portions of the gigahertz bands.

So different ones could be affecting you differently.

If you have any metals in dental fillings or crowns that could also be a factor.

Metals in joint replacements can also be involved.

The power lines are at 60 Hertz rather than 60,000,000,000 Hertz (gigahertz) and

will have a different effect. When really strong the power lines make me very

foggy and dizzy.

They usually decrease within 2-3 feet unless the house wiring has more than one

ground point. Then the field will extend 10-30 feet or so.

IThat's when interference patterns are more likely resulting in hot spots and

neutral spots lime waves on a lake when a boats speeds through.

The problem for me with hotels is they have so many possible sources -

pesticides, cleaning products, air freshners, designer scents in the lobby,

different food, wiring, wi-fi, air circulation or not, dirty forced air units,

vibration - and not all of my reactions are unique for each kind.

I was just at one in Albuquerque and had strange dreams until I changed rooms.

It was straight across from a microwave tower a block away.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[] Re: OT: avoiding wifi places

I only know by my reaction. I use an iphone all the time (tho on speakerphone

when talking; but also for email) and I don't notice adverse effects (not saying

they don't exist, of course, just that I don't notice). I notice in lower EMF

places in general--where I can get cellphone coverage, but aren't loaded with

towers and microwave dishes, I generally feel better.

However, I've had two specific reactions to wifi.

First, moved into a small apartment, mostly mold free, unrenovated, in an older

four family home in Buckhead section of Atlanta. Good air circulation etc.

Within a few days started noticing a metallic taste, a feeling of heeby jeeby

reaction to sounds that had a scraping quality, increasing insomnia, a feeling

like my eye sockets were being pulled out or pressed on, and total insomnia. It

was so bad I was ready to leave and sleep in the street. I just had a feeling it

was the wifi router in the apt next door so asked them to turn it off for 24

hours as a test. I felt infinitely better, but still screwed up in the house, so

I have a feeling the house had other EMF issues, which the wifi magnified and

thus sensitized me. I've read since that some houses have poor old wiring,

crossed wiring, whatever, and have EMF fields that are way too high. In

addition, there were low slung powerlines all down the street, and I'm not sure

if those affected the homes.

Having had that terrifying reaction, I then was on the lookout I suppose. I was

hyper sensitized to wifi for weeks, and would notice it in large stores and feel

foggy and weird and wired. Slowly my body seemed to calm down as we stayed for a

while at a hotel in a room that had a weak wifi or nonexistent wifi signal and

required ethernet hookup.

At the WIngate in Alpharetta, within half an hour of unpacking in the room, I

noticed the metallic taste coming back for the first time in months. I also had

a nonstop headache except when I left the hotel to drive around to get lunch the

next day. I also slept very fitfully.

It is getting increasingly hard to avoid wifi, and stronger and stronger routers

are being used in hotels, homes, apartment buildings. It seems like another

disaster in the offing for sensitive folks.

>

> I'm not doubting the reactions but am curious how to identify it as wifi

rather than any of the other myriad EMF sources like wireless phones which have

much stronger signals, cell phones, TV or radio towers, even the transformers

powering these devices or appliances.

>

> If you can tell the difference I suspect it is because of the frequency. Each

type and generation of device uses a different frequency band.

>

> Go to Antennasearch.com to see how many of what kind of towers are near you.

But it won't identify what your neighbor is using for wifi or wireless

landline.

>

> As for pesticide use there are equally effective techniques known as

Integrated Pest Management or IPM. Used to be controversial but more widely

accepted now and being strongly pushed by govt agencies.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

> (fm my Blackberry)

>

[Guest guest]

I never thought of that Carl. Maybe just changing rooms would have made a

difference at the Embassy Suites. Maybe I was in a hot spot.

>

> Thanks for the additional info and your detective work. Wi-fi routers operate

at different frequencies usually in different portions of the gigahertz bands.

So different ones could be affecting you differently.

>

> If you have any metals in dental fillings or crowns that could also be a

factor. Metals in joint replacements can also be involved.

>

> The power lines are at 60 Hertz rather than 60,000,000,000 Hertz (gigahertz)

and will have a different effect. When really strong the power lines make me

very foggy and dizzy.

>

> They usually decrease within 2-3 feet unless the house wiring has more than

one ground point. Then the field will extend 10-30 feet or so.

>

> IThat's when interference patterns are more likely resulting in hot spots and

neutral spots lime waves on a lake when a boats speeds through.

>

> The problem for me with hotels is they have so many possible sources -

pesticides, cleaning products, air freshners, designer scents in the lobby,

different food, wiring, wi-fi, air circulation or not, dirty forced air units,

vibration - and not all of my reactions are unique for each kind.

>

> I was just at one in Albuquerque and had strange dreams until I changed rooms.

It was straight across from a microwave tower a block away.

>

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

> (fm my Blackberry)

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Carl--any idea where I can educate myself about the different routers?

Maybe I can avoid a bad spot that way. I think closeness matters as well, though

by the time I was sensitized in that house, even standing outside it or parked

outside it I could feel it. One time I had neuralgias all down my leg.

That router was a strange type of strong G router, linksys, with three antenna

coming off it at angles.

I have no idea what was at the Wingate but they claimed the nodes/repeaters were

inside the walls.

It does matter sometimes which room you get. At some hotels, some rooms have

weak reception, perhaps because of interference (heavy walls, or metal).

Sometimes you can *ask* for the room with poor wifi (probably a surprise to the

front desk). I like hotels where they have both the ethernet and wifi, because

sometimes those hotels have " safer " rooms.

The Comfort Inn where we were staying, our room had virtually no signal, just

ethernet. I really slept a lot better there even with mold.

>

> Thanks for the additional info and your detective work. Wi-fi routers operate

at different frequencies usually in different portions of the gigahertz bands.

So different ones could be affecting you differently.

[Guest guest]

The best way to find out about routers is at the store or go on-line

where they sell them. Then find the link to the technical data.

Look for the frequency band (G, N, etc) and signal strength. If you

aren't sure about the designations Google the term. Then you

can have a better chance at connecting your body responses with

the types of routers.

As for the claim they are " inside the walls, " that is their way of

putting you off. Next time they say that looked surprised and ask

them " How on earth can computers pick up the signal if the signal

can't get through the walls? "

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

Thanks Carl--any idea where I can educate myself about the different routers?

Maybe I can avoid a bad spot that way. I think closeness matters as well, though

by the time I was sensitized in that house, even standing outside it or parked

outside it I could feel it. One time I had neuralgias all down my leg.

That router was a strange type of strong G router, linksys, with three antenna

coming off it at angles.

I have no idea what was at the Wingate but they claimed the nodes/repeaters were

inside the walls.

It does matter sometimes which room you get. At some hotels, some rooms have

weak reception, perhaps because of interference (heavy walls, or metal).

Sometimes you can *ask* for the room with poor wifi (probably a surprise to the

front desk). I like hotels where they have both the ethernet and wifi, because

sometimes those hotels have " safer " rooms.

The Comfort Inn where we were staying, our room had virtually no signal, just

ethernet. I really slept a lot better there even with mold.

>

> Thanks for the additional info and your detective work. Wi-fi routers operate

at different frequencies usually in different portions of the gigahertz bands.

So different ones could be affecting you differently.

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[Guest guest]

well, i have given up on finding safe hotels, traveling back to bay area

via santa fe, initially thought we'd stay a week or so, spent lst

afternoon visiting rooms to find one that didn't stink of chemicals,

found one like that but they are hostile to my dog and we are a block

from some kind of cell phone tower, but was too tired to keep looking,

next day didn't have the energy to look, spent most of day today looking

without success, the chemicals free bed and breakfast that had vacancies

smelled musty, etc... and now i am so fed up that i realize it's a lost

cause, one b & b operator told me wifi was the most requested amenity of

all, people don't want to be " tethered " to a cord...and i realize that

the idea of trying to R & R a few days in a fun spot w/my sick kid who

won't leave the hotel room basically ruins it, so will get back on the

road and head back to bay area to look for " safe housing " which of

course doesn't exist...how to find a mold safe home in a place w/neither

city nor agricultural or suburban pesticide pollution and away from cell

towers/masts and wifi pollution, i do think it is mission impossible,

but will still make the effort to find " safer " .......

santa fe does seem to have clean air, it also appears to be growing

rapidly and the new construction is of course totally unhealthy particle

board adobes...., i was told there is a moratorium on new cell towers

here which is good...

but, can't find a safe place to stay and look at housing options....

what a depressing world we live in....

sue v

>I never thought of that Carl. Maybe just changing rooms would have made

>a difference at the Embassy Suites. Maybe I was in a hot spot.

>

[Guest guest]

i recently read wireless radiation rescue by kerry crofton, it was an

eye opener...also recommends various meters that can measure rf etc...sue v

>Thanks Carl--any idea where I can educate myself about the different

>routers? Maybe I can avoid a bad spot that way. I think closeness

>matters as well, though by the time I was sensitized in that house, even

>standing outside it or parked outside it I could feel it. One time I had

>neuralgias all down my leg.

>

[Guest guest]

also, there is a group that you may find interesting emfrefugee

>Thanks Carl--any idea where I can educate myself about the different

>routers? Maybe I can avoid a bad spot that way. I think closeness

>matters as well, though by the time I was sensitized in that house, even

>standing outside it or parked outside it I could feel it. One time I had

>neuralgias all down my leg.

>

>That router was a strange type of strong G router, linksys, with three

>antenna coming off it at angles.

>

>I have no idea what was at the Wingate but they claimed the nodes/

>repeaters were inside the walls.

>

>It does matter sometimes which room you get. At some hotels, some rooms

>have weak reception, perhaps because of interference (heavy walls, or

>metal). Sometimes you can *ask* for the room with poor wifi (probably a

>surprise to the front desk). I like hotels where they have both the

>ethernet and wifi, because sometimes those hotels have " safer " rooms.

>

>The Comfort Inn where we were staying, our room had virtually no signal,

>just ethernet. I really slept a lot better there even with mold.

>

>

>

>>

>> Thanks for the additional info and your detective work. Wi-fi routers

>operate at different frequencies usually in different portions of the

>gigahertz bands. So different ones could be affecting you differently.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I went to Amazon and put " radiation rescue " in my shopping cart for the future,

maybe check the library first before I buy it, but noticed on the cover of book,

first statement is: 'have trouble sleeping?'!!

This was symptom I suspected as I know there are certain things that can affect

my sleep and non of them were present. I also have noticed that trouble

sleeping has become a bigger topic in the news. When I first developed

insomnia, it was more unusual. There wasn't very many medicines or solutions.

I just had to put up with the fatigue. Now there are so many medicines that

work for insomnia and so many people take them. It may be this is one of the

reasons.

Stress causes sleep loss but I think there has always been alot of stress in

life, but coming from different things.

>

> i recently read wireless radiation rescue by kerry crofton, it was an

> eye opener...also recommends various meters that can measure rf etc...sue v

>

> >Thanks Carl--any idea where I can educate myself about the different

> >routers? Maybe I can avoid a bad spot that way. I think closeness

> >matters as well, though by the time I was sensitized in that house, even

> >standing outside it or parked outside it I could feel it. One time I had

> >neuralgias all down my leg.