Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Most docs don't know what " normal " is. Post your test results with reference ranges. Val in Boulder, CO -----Original Message----- From: kathryn.black@... [mailto:kathryn.black@...] Have you ever received normal blood work! I know there is something wrong! I know it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 My TSH has NEVER gone above the normal range - but they'd never test antibodies, or Free T4 and Free T3. When they finally did, I had so little of these two hormones it was almost trace amounts in my blood. What did they test exactly? Jan > My first test results were for a physical and they showed some weirdness... > showed anemia and stuff. Also at this physical they told me I had a goiter. > > > Went to PCC, confirmed goiter, did TSH blood test --- normal. But > recommended an endocrinologist > > Went to Endo. My mom has graves disease, suspect I have Hasimotos Disease. > Did all the " proper " blood work. EVERYTHING IS NORMAL!!! What the heck?? I > have all the symptoms except what is in my blood work! They have just put my > mom on Synthroid because they did the radioactive Iodine to kill her thyroid > and now she is going to maintain balance with that (hopefully!) > > Have you ever received normal blood work! I know there is something wrong! > I know it! > > ARG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 Hi, I feel for you. I had all of the classic symptoms of hypothyroidism for five years. And everytime I would go to my GP with a new symptom, or less hair or drier skin, he would dismiss it at " part of the aging process " I was 34. I know things are going to change as I get older but, not over night and I doubt that I would feel this crappy. I know plenty of Zesty seniors. I even had a six month period where I was HYPERthyroid. I had gone into to his office again because I was having trouble sleeping. He did a physical and asked me if I realized I had lost 22lbs in six weeks. I knew I had dropped a bit but, not that much. He offered me antidepressants and sent me on my way. It wasnt until a few months later when I crashed that he took me seriously. He confessed that he didnt know much about this and perhaps was not imterpreting the test results properly. He referred me to a friend of his who is a Holistic Practitioner. This doctor did a whole battery of tests, but what I liked most was, she spent an entire hour just talking to me about the symtoms I was having and what possible explanations there could be. My TSH results were just outside the normal range, but my freeT3 was pretty much undetectable. Her decision to treat me was not just based on the numbers however. She made much of her decision based on my symptoms. I really believe adjusting the reference ranges is going to help the most. Some physicians have already adapted to this thinking but, a great many have not and still " go by the book " . For your own health keep after it. Get a second or a third opinion if you have to. If I had been treated five years ago, I would not be in the condition I am now. Best luck to you.... Chriss, in Greeley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Hi , I thought 's post really illustrated a lot of the issues our kids deal with. I just thought I would add that my son does very well with teachers who are calm, cool, collected, friendly, and *in control* of the classroom. This makes him respond in kind and helps him pull it together when things get hairy. For instance, my son has a *very* difficult time when other kids are in distress. (He's 3.6 yrs old.) He used to LOSE IT when other kids in the class would cry. But his teacher taught me something that continues to work extremely well with him. We very calmly say to him (while another person is working with the dear child who's in distress), " Yes, Jonathon is upset right now. It's okay, though. " And we repeat the mantra, " It's okay though. " And depending on how receptive he is, and he's getting more and more receptive as he learns to keep it together, " It's okay to be upset. Jonathon will be better soon. Because it's okay. " Now when he's upset, he will say to himself, " It's okay though. " But I noticed when there was a new aide in the classroom who was very nervous and kind of jerky, and her voice was kind of shaky and high, all the kids, especially , weren't confident that she could " make everything okay. " Good luck with your classroom. My mom has been a teacher for 30-some years and I've heard her give countless pep-talks to teachers in their first year. It's supposed to be the hardest. She always tells them it will get so much easier, to hang in there. We really need you out there, ! Let us know if there's any more info we can provide. > Hi everyone, > I am new to this discussion group but thought I would give it a try. I am > starting my first year of teaching in August. I will have children with autism > in my room. I am a special education teacher who will be working with > kindergarten and first graders. As most of you are parents I am request any > advice you may have. I am open to many things, and would like to have your > opinions on what you would have liked ot happen in the classroom with your > children. > > Thank you, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Any acknowledgement on your part regarding sensory issues I'm sure would be appreciated. We found a pre-school teacher who would allow ph to turn off the fluorescent lights in the class when they were bothering him, not only did it work to calm him down, but the whole class as well. Opinions Please > Hi everyone, > I am new to this discussion group but thought I would give it a try. I am > starting my first year of teaching in August. I will have children with autism > in my room. I am a special education teacher who will be working with > kindergarten and first graders. As most of you are parents I am request any > advice you may have. I am open to many things, and would like to have your > opinions on what you would have liked ot happen in the classroom with your > children. > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Altamesa1@... wrote: > I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would really like > to get on something natural. Is this possible? ... There is nothing natural about eating concentrated dessicated animal glands. Nature wants us to obtain thyroid hormones from a human gland that injects these chemicals in the right proportions directly into the blood stream in response to chemical signals from our pituitary glands. Anything else is artificial, decidedly un-natural. When our thyroid glands fail, nature wants us to suffer discomfort and die early. So, the question is really which approach is best in subverting nature. We can argue about whether there is any advantage to taking a form of thyroid hormones that includes a proportion of T3 with T4, but there is nothing magical about the accidental proportion we absorb from an animal gland that has been processed to insure uniformity and then freeze dried. In fact, since we absorb T3 more efficiently than T4, one could argue that eating dessicated glands results in too much T3, compared to what nature would give us. Many on this list may argue that Armour is a superior form of treatment to the synthetic T4 medications. However, calling it somehow more " natural " than a well titrated synthetic, would be technically inaccurate. The T4 molecule in both is exactly the same. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 WOW Chuck, you pulled the big guns on this one. lol Just bustin' yar chops. lol :-) --- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: > Altamesa1@... wrote: > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three years now > and would really like > > to get on something natural. Is this possible? > ... > > There is nothing natural about eating concentrated > dessicated animal > glands. Nature wants us to obtain thyroid hormones > from a human gland > that injects these chemicals in the right > proportions directly into the > blood stream in response to chemical signals from > our pituitary glands. > Anything else is artificial, decidedly un-natural. > When our thyroid > glands fail, nature wants us to suffer discomfort > and die early. So, the > question is really which approach is best in > subverting nature. > > We can argue about whether there is any advantage to > taking a form of > thyroid hormones that includes a proportion of T3 > with T4, but there is > nothing magical about the accidental proportion we > absorb from an animal > gland that has been processed to insure uniformity > and then freeze > dried. In fact, since we absorb T3 more efficiently > than T4, one could > argue that eating dessicated glands results in too > much T3, compared to > what nature would give us. > > Many on this list may argue that Armour is a > superior form of treatment > to the synthetic T4 medications. However, calling it > somehow more > " natural " than a well titrated synthetic, would be > technically > inaccurate. The T4 molecule in both is exactly the > same. > > Chuck > __________________________________ - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Chuck, I am so profoundly grateful to see your post. Thank you for your wisdom and your truth, On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Chuck B wrote: > Altamesa1@... wrote: > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would really like > > to get on something natural. Is this possible? ... > > There is nothing natural about eating concentrated dessicated animal > glands. Nature wants us to obtain thyroid hormones from a human gland > that injects these chemicals in the right proportions directly into the > blood stream in response to chemical signals from our pituitary glands. > Anything else is artificial, decidedly un-natural. When our thyroid > glands fail, nature wants us to suffer discomfort and die early. So, the > question is really which approach is best in subverting nature. > > We can argue about whether there is any advantage to taking a form of > thyroid hormones that includes a proportion of T3 with T4, but there is > nothing magical about the accidental proportion we absorb from an animal > gland that has been processed to insure uniformity and then freeze > dried. In fact, since we absorb T3 more efficiently than T4, one could > argue that eating dessicated glands results in too much T3, compared to > what nature would give us. > > Many on this list may argue that Armour is a superior form of treatment > to the synthetic T4 medications. However, calling it somehow more > " natural " than a well titrated synthetic, would be technically > inaccurate. The T4 molecule in both is exactly the same. > > Chuck > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 http://www.armourthyroid.com >I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would really like to >get on something natural. Is this possible? If so, what do you suggest? >Thanks. > > Mickey > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 I fully agree on this.For me,being a pure vegetarian,taking medicine obtained from porcine or bovine source was never an option.I read somewehere that people taking hormones obtained from pigs are susecptible to infections /diseases which might have afflicted the animal. Puneet Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Altamesa1@... wrote: > I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would really like > to get on something natural. Is this possible? ... There is nothing natural about eating concentrated dessicated animal glands. Nature wants us to obtain thyroid hormones from a human gland that injects these chemicals in the right proportions directly into the blood stream in response to chemical signals from our pituitary glands. Anything else is artificial, decidedly un-natural. When our thyroid glands fail, nature wants us to suffer discomfort and die early. So, the question is really which approach is best in subverting nature. We can argue about whether there is any advantage to taking a form of thyroid hormones that includes a proportion of T3 with T4, but there is nothing magical about the accidental proportion we absorb from an animal gland that has been processed to insure uniformity and then freeze dried. In fact, since we absorb T3 more efficiently than T4, one could argue that eating dessicated glands results in too much T3, compared to what nature would give us. Many on this list may argue that Armour is a superior form of treatment to the synthetic T4 medications. However, calling it somehow more " natural " than a well titrated synthetic, would be technically inaccurate. The T4 molecule in both is exactly the same. Chuck --------------------------------- for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Hi Mickey, the important thing to know about any hormone you take, be it thyroid or otherwise is that is it bio-identical - i.e. molecule is identical to the one that is produced in the body. I agree that natural is a misleading term. However I'm not sure I agree with Chuck's sweeping assertions that nature has it in for those of us who are hormonally challenged - nature gave us brains , and that is what we here on these boards are using to ensure our survival...so I don't agree that what we are doing here is unnatural - far from it - perhaps more supernatural!!!!! LOL To gat back to the point I use bio-identical synthetic T4 and synthetic T3 - and they work well for me - in my case my body has a problem producing enough T4 but is not so bad at converting so I find that the ratio I need is 5 times T4 to T3 whereas other do better on four times or even less. Do you have any other reasons to change from Synthroid Mickey? regards, Kerry Opinions Please I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would really like to get on something natural. Is this possible? If so, what do you suggest? Thanks. Mickey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Thanks Chuck. I haven't been reading the posts for a while cause I get tired of hearing how Armour is the answer to everything. I just can't believe it is that simple and I have resisted trying it even though I'm not doing well on synthetic. I've resisted trying Armour because it just kind of disgusts me a little to think about it being animal thyroid. Its great if it works for some people but I just don't like it shoved down my throat. Thanks for taking a stand. > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would really like > > to get on something natural. Is this possible? ... > > There is nothing natural about eating concentrated dessicated animal > glands. Nature wants us to obtain thyroid hormones from a human gland > that injects these chemicals in the right proportions directly into the > blood stream in response to chemical signals from our pituitary glands. > Anything else is artificial, decidedly un-natural. When our thyroid > glands fail, nature wants us to suffer discomfort and die early. So, the > question is really which approach is best in subverting nature. > > We can argue about whether there is any advantage to taking a form of > thyroid hormones that includes a proportion of T3 with T4, but there is > nothing magical about the accidental proportion we absorb from an animal > gland that has been processed to insure uniformity and then freeze > dried. In fact, since we absorb T3 more efficiently than T4, one could > argue that eating dessicated glands results in too much T3, compared to > what nature would give us. > > Many on this list may argue that Armour is a superior form of treatment > to the synthetic T4 medications. However, calling it somehow more > " natural " than a well titrated synthetic, would be technically > inaccurate. The T4 molecule in both is exactly the same. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Thanks Chuck. I haven't been reading the posts for a while cause I get tired of hearing how Armour is the answer to everything. I just can't believe it is that simple and I have resisted trying it even though I'm not doing well on synthetic. I've resisted trying Armour because it just kind of disgusts me a little to think about it being animal thyroid. Its great if it works for some people but I just don't like it shoved down my throat. Thanks for taking a stand. > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would really like > > to get on something natural. Is this possible? ... > > There is nothing natural about eating concentrated dessicated animal > glands. Nature wants us to obtain thyroid hormones from a human gland > that injects these chemicals in the right proportions directly into the > blood stream in response to chemical signals from our pituitary glands. > Anything else is artificial, decidedly un-natural. When our thyroid > glands fail, nature wants us to suffer discomfort and die early. So, the > question is really which approach is best in subverting nature. > > We can argue about whether there is any advantage to taking a form of > thyroid hormones that includes a proportion of T3 with T4, but there is > nothing magical about the accidental proportion we absorb from an animal > gland that has been processed to insure uniformity and then freeze > dried. In fact, since we absorb T3 more efficiently than T4, one could > argue that eating dessicated glands results in too much T3, compared to > what nature would give us. > > Many on this list may argue that Armour is a superior form of treatment > to the synthetic T4 medications. However, calling it somehow more > " natural " than a well titrated synthetic, would be technically > inaccurate. The T4 molecule in both is exactly the same. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Hi there, its funny really how we each read these posts differently - I don't take armour but I also don't feel that anyone here is shoving it down our throats....I'm open to anything that might work. On a more personal note -Are you adding T3 to your synthetic - this might help with some symptoms you still have. regards, Kerry Re: Opinions Please Thanks Chuck. I haven't been reading the posts for a while cause I get tired of hearing how Armour is the answer to everything. I just can't believe it is that simple and I have resisted trying it even though I'm not doing well on synthetic. I've resisted trying Armour because it just kind of disgusts me a little to think about it being animal thyroid. Its great if it works for some people but I just don't like it shoved down my throat. Thanks for taking a stand. > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would really like > > to get on something natural. Is this possible? ... > > There is nothing natural about eating concentrated dessicated animal > glands. Nature wants us to obtain thyroid hormones from a human gland > that injects these chemicals in the right proportions directly into the > blood stream in response to chemical signals from our pituitary glands. > Anything else is artificial, decidedly un-natural. When our thyroid > glands fail, nature wants us to suffer discomfort and die early. So, the > question is really which approach is best in subverting nature. > > We can argue about whether there is any advantage to taking a form of > thyroid hormones that includes a proportion of T3 with T4, but there is > nothing magical about the accidental proportion we absorb from an animal > gland that has been processed to insure uniformity and then freeze > dried. In fact, since we absorb T3 more efficiently than T4, one could > argue that eating dessicated glands results in too much T3, compared to > what nature would give us. > > Many on this list may argue that Armour is a superior form of treatment > to the synthetic T4 medications. However, calling it somehow more > " natural " than a well titrated synthetic, would be technically > inaccurate. The T4 molecule in both is exactly the same. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Kerry, thanks for pointing that out. You're right it isn't shoved down our throats, that was a bad choice of words. I've been a little cranky. I was on a couple of months ago and I was feeling really awful and I posted something and the only thing anybody said to me was try Armour. I've thought about trying it but I can't get past the animal thyroid bit. I have wondered if I would feel better though. I'm getting increasingly aggravated at my condition. My synthetic dose goes up every 6 months or so in order to stay in " normal " range if there is such a thing. I always feel like crap no matter what my range is. More specifically my muscles in my extremeties just ache like crazy with the slightest of exhertion. I'm not talking excercise here. I'm talking brushing my hair or stirring my pot on the stove or walking across the living room. All the doctor ever says is that some people with hypothyroid just never feel quite right. Well, hello, this more than not quite right. I actually have almost convinced myself I have a neuro muscular disease or something. I may not, it might be my hypo. All I know is I feel rotten and I'm not sure which way to turn. Sorry I just unloaded on you. Your probably wishing you hadn't asked me anything. If Chuck is reading this please let me know if you have any thoughts on this kind of muscle weakness in relation to hypo. You always seem real knowledgable and I would like your opinion if you have one. Thanks, Carolyn > > > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would really > like > > > to get on something natural. Is this possible? ... > > > > There is nothing natural about eating concentrated dessicated > animal > > glands. Nature wants us to obtain thyroid hormones from a human > gland > > that injects these chemicals in the right proportions directly into > the > > blood stream in response to chemical signals from our pituitary > glands. > > Anything else is artificial, decidedly un-natural. When our thyroid > > glands fail, nature wants us to suffer discomfort and die early. > So, the > > question is really which approach is best in subverting nature. > > > > We can argue about whether there is any advantage to taking a form > of > > thyroid hormones that includes a proportion of T3 with T4, but > there is > > nothing magical about the accidental proportion we absorb from an > animal > > gland that has been processed to insure uniformity and then freeze > > dried. In fact, since we absorb T3 more efficiently than T4, one > could > > argue that eating dessicated glands results in too much T3, > compared to > > what nature would give us. > > > > Many on this list may argue that Armour is a superior form of > treatment > > to the synthetic T4 medications. However, calling it somehow more > > " natural " than a well titrated synthetic, would be technically > > inaccurate. The T4 molecule in both is exactly the same. > > > > Chuck > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Hi Carolyn, you didn't say if you are taking T3 - that could be the problem with the muscle ache - taking t3 really helps me in that regard. Also it helps my mood BIG TIME! no problem - you weren't dumping - I can completely understand about Armour....I was vegetarian for a big part of my life and I raised my girls that way - they are both now very committed vegos - - and I respect that. I try to get them to be open minded about some people's need to eat meat for health reasons and I think they have accepted that as well. look into the T3 tho and if you are taking it you might consider upping your dose. regards, Kerry Re: Opinions Please Kerry, thanks for pointing that out. You're right it isn't shoved down our throats, that was a bad choice of words. I've been a little cranky. I was on a couple of months ago and I was feeling really awful and I posted something and the only thing anybody said to me was try Armour. I've thought about trying it but I can't get past the animal thyroid bit. I have wondered if I would feel better though. I'm getting increasingly aggravated at my condition. My synthetic dose goes up every 6 months or so in order to stay in " normal " range if there is such a thing. I always feel like crap no matter what my range is. More specifically my muscles in my extremeties just ache like crazy with the slightest of exhertion. I'm not talking excercise here. I'm talking brushing my hair or stirring my pot on the stove or walking across the living room. All the doctor ever says is that some people with hypothyroid just never feel quite right. Well, hello, this more than not quite right. I actually have almost convinced myself I have a neuro muscular disease or something. I may not, it might be my hypo. All I know is I feel rotten and I'm not sure which way to turn. Sorry I just unloaded on you. Your probably wishing you hadn't asked me anything. If Chuck is reading this please let me know if you have any thoughts on this kind of muscle weakness in relation to hypo. You always seem real knowledgable and I would like your opinion if you have one. Thanks, Carolyn > > > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would really > like > > > to get on something natural. Is this possible? ... > > > > There is nothing natural about eating concentrated dessicated > animal > > glands. Nature wants us to obtain thyroid hormones from a human > gland > > that injects these chemicals in the right proportions directly into > the > > blood stream in response to chemical signals from our pituitary > glands. > > Anything else is artificial, decidedly un-natural. When our thyroid > > glands fail, nature wants us to suffer discomfort and die early. > So, the > > question is really which approach is best in subverting nature. > > > > We can argue about whether there is any advantage to taking a form > of > > thyroid hormones that includes a proportion of T3 with T4, but > there is > > nothing magical about the accidental proportion we absorb from an > animal > > gland that has been processed to insure uniformity and then freeze > > dried. In fact, since we absorb T3 more efficiently than T4, one > could > > argue that eating dessicated glands results in too much T3, > compared to > > what nature would give us. > > > > Many on this list may argue that Armour is a superior form of > treatment > > to the synthetic T4 medications. However, calling it somehow more > > " natural " than a well titrated synthetic, would be technically > > inaccurate. The T4 molecule in both is exactly the same. > > > > Chuck > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Carolyn, This is fibromyalgia (I have it too), and it may mean you need your dosage upp'd but my best guess is that you have adrenal fatigue. As has been noted before, adrenal function often declines with thyroid function. It is mentioned on the literature for the thyroid meds, but seems to be ignored by the vast majority of doctors. I do hear that testing for this is generally not reliable, or doesn't catch it. However, there is information to read, and I have an url somewhere on the proper use of cortisone... My doctor has given me DHEA, 50 mg Pregnelolone, and I am taking a couple of adrenal glandulars per day, plus licorice (this is only if your BP is not high). From what I have read though, it may take six months to two years to get the adrenals back up to snuff. Gail > > > > > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would > really > > like > > > > to get on something natural. Is this possible? ... > > > > > > There is nothing natural about eating concentrated dessicated > > animal > > > glands. Nature wants us to obtain thyroid hormones from a human > > gland > > > that injects these chemicals in the right proportions directly > into > > the > > > blood stream in response to chemical signals from our pituitary > > glands. > > > Anything else is artificial, decidedly un-natural. When our > thyroid > > > glands fail, nature wants us to suffer discomfort and die early. > > So, the > > > question is really which approach is best in subverting nature. > > > > > > We can argue about whether there is any advantage to taking a > form > > of > > > thyroid hormones that includes a proportion of T3 with T4, but > > there is > > > nothing magical about the accidental proportion we absorb from an > > animal > > > gland that has been processed to insure uniformity and then > freeze > > > dried. In fact, since we absorb T3 more efficiently than T4, one > > could > > > argue that eating dessicated glands results in too much T3, > > compared to > > > what nature would give us. > > > > > > Many on this list may argue that Armour is a superior form of > > treatment > > > to the synthetic T4 medications. However, calling it somehow more > > > " natural " than a well titrated synthetic, would be technically > > > inaccurate. The T4 molecule in both is exactly the same. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Thanks for the info Gail, I will add fibromyalgia to my list of possibilities. There is a disease called myasthenia gravis that sounds a lot like me too. I'm thinking I need to go see a different dr but don't know which one since I don't really know what it is. If its adrenal then I would need an endo, right? But if its a neuro-muscular problem then I think I would go to a nuerologist. I guess I just need to make up my mind and start somewhere. Worse case, the one I picked would send me to someone else. I've been reading this book about hypo and got the idea that maybe my medicine is making me feel bad. I take 225mcg of levothroid a day. (in two seperate pills cause they don't make a 225) And the only other thing I take is hydroclorathiazide. I'm wondering if I should try switching to another brand of thyroid or maybe its the hydroclorathiazide doing it to me. Or the combination. I do take them together. Any one else out there experience problems on either of these? Carolyn > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three years now and would > > really > > > like > > > > > to get on something natural. Is this possible? ... > > > > > > > > There is nothing natural about eating concentrated dessicated > > > animal > > > > glands. Nature wants us to obtain thyroid hormones from a human > > > gland > > > > that injects these chemicals in the right proportions directly > > into > > > the > > > > blood stream in response to chemical signals from our pituitary > > > glands. > > > > Anything else is artificial, decidedly un-natural. When our > > thyroid > > > > glands fail, nature wants us to suffer discomfort and die > early. > > > So, the > > > > question is really which approach is best in subverting nature. > > > > > > > > We can argue about whether there is any advantage to taking a > > form > > > of > > > > thyroid hormones that includes a proportion of T3 with T4, but > > > there is > > > > nothing magical about the accidental proportion we absorb from > an > > > animal > > > > gland that has been processed to insure uniformity and then > > freeze > > > > dried. In fact, since we absorb T3 more efficiently than T4, > one > > > could > > > > argue that eating dessicated glands results in too much T3, > > > compared to > > > > what nature would give us. > > > > > > > > Many on this list may argue that Armour is a superior form of > > > treatment > > > > to the synthetic T4 medications. However, calling it somehow > more > > > > " natural " than a well titrated synthetic, would be technically > > > > inaccurate. The T4 molecule in both is exactly the same. > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 what is hydroclorathiazide ? --- cdmerrill1 <merrillfam@...> wrote: > Thanks for the info Gail, I will add fibromyalgia to > my list of > possibilities. There is a disease called myasthenia > gravis that > sounds a lot like me too. > I'm thinking I need to go see a different dr but > don't know which one > since I don't really know what it is. If its > adrenal then I would > need an endo, right? But if its a neuro-muscular > problem then I > think I would go to a nuerologist. I guess I just > need to make up my > mind and start somewhere. Worse case, the one I > picked would send me > to someone else. > I've been reading this book about hypo and got the > idea that maybe my > medicine is making me feel bad. I take 225mcg of > levothroid a day. > (in two seperate pills cause they don't make a 225) > And the only > other thing I take is hydroclorathiazide. I'm > wondering if I should > try switching to another brand of thyroid or maybe > its the > hydroclorathiazide doing it to me. Or the > combination. I do take > them together. Any one else out there experience > problems on either > of these? > Carolyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three > years now and would > > > really > > > > like > > > > > > to get on something natural. Is this > possible? ... > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing natural about eating > concentrated === message truncated === __________________________________ - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Its a diuretic. My BP was consistently a little high earlier this year and the dr put me on it to control that. It has worked as far as I can tell. Last time they took it it was 120 over 70. She wants me to stay on it for now. Carolyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three > > years now and would > > > > really > > > > > like > > > > > > > to get on something natural. Is this > > possible? ... > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing natural about eating > > concentrated > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 wouldn't a diuretic tend to make you de-hydrated? De-hydration is a common cause of muscle ache and spasm. It would seem a shame to me if you went to more specialists and got more drugs for symptoms that might be either due to a drug you are already taking or due to incorrect hormone dosing - do you take T3 with your Synthroid? Kerry Re: Opinions Please Its a diuretic. My BP was consistently a little high earlier this year and the dr put me on it to control that. It has worked as far as I can tell. Last time they took it it was 120 over 70. She wants me to stay on it for now. Carolyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three > > years now and would > > > > really > > > > > like > > > > > > > to get on something natural. Is this > > possible? ... > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing natural about eating > > concentrated > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 It could I guess, but I do try real hard to drink a good amount of water everyday. I've tried going off of it for a few days before and my feet swelled up like watermelons. I don't remember thinking of how my muscles felt during that time since I was thinking so much about my swollen feet. Maybe I should try it again and pay more attention. I don't take T3. No one has ever offered it to me. I will be asking about it next time I go in though. Thanks, Carolyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three > > > years now and would > > > > > really > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to get on something natural. Is this > > > possible? ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing natural about eating > > > concentrated > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 My experience with swelling/water retention is that the thyroid meds took it all away, EXCEPT my feet and ankles. What finally helped my feet and ankles, was starting progesterone cream about three months ago. I rarely get swollen feet/ankles anymore. Gail > It could I guess, but I do try real hard to drink a good amount of > water everyday. I've tried going off of it for a few days before and > my feet swelled up like watermelons. I don't remember thinking of > how my muscles felt during that time since I was thinking so much > about my swollen feet. Maybe I should try it again and pay more > attention. > I don't take T3. No one has ever offered it to me. I will be asking > about it next time I go in though. > Thanks, > Carolyn > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Hi Carolyn, Good idea! and try to do some research on line before you talk to your doc - take a look at some of the links I posted a few days ago - particularly Gails Thyroid Tips website (a different Gail ) Doctors rarely are aware of T3 and you do not want to miss out on treatment just because your doc is ignorant. And Gail on this board is sooooo right about Progesterone helping - I take it and it is wonderful. cheers, Kerry Re: Opinions Please It could I guess, but I do try real hard to drink a good amount of water everyday. I've tried going off of it for a few days before and my feet swelled up like watermelons. I don't remember thinking of how my muscles felt during that time since I was thinking so much about my swollen feet. Maybe I should try it again and pay more attention. I don't take T3. No one has ever offered it to me. I will be asking about it next time I go in though. Thanks, Carolyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taking Synthroid for three > > > years now and would > > > > > really > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to get on something natural. Is this > > > possible? ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing natural about eating > > > concentrated > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Gail, I checked out that top docs list you told me about. I found an endocrinologist there that people said good things about. I hope they are right. I made an appointment today. Of course I can't get in till December so I have a while to be patient. Anyone out there ever had a really good doc they loved in the Dallas area? If so, please tell me about them, maybe I will check them out. I figured it out today, since January I have gone from 175mcg (where I was okay for almost a year) to the 225mcg I am on now. Is this common? To me it says something is wrong. Maybe I just get a little too worked up though. I'd love opinions from anybody. Thanks for the tip Gail, Carolyn > > Thanks for the info Gail, I will add fibromyalgia to my list of > > possibilities. There is a disease called myasthenia gravis that > > sounds a lot like me too. > > I'm thinking I need to go see a different dr but don't know which > one > > since I don't really know what it is. If its adrenal then I would > > need an endo, right? But if its a neuro-muscular problem then I > > think I would go to a nuerologist. I guess I just need to make up > my > > mind and start somewhere. Worse case, the one I picked would send > me > > to someone else. > > I've been reading this book about hypo and got the idea that maybe > my > > medicine is making me feel bad. I take 225mcg of levothroid a day. > > (in two seperate pills cause they don't make a 225) And the only > > other thing I take is hydroclorathiazide. I'm wondering if I > should > > try switching to another brand of thyroid or maybe its the > > hydroclorathiazide doing it to me. Or the combination. I do take > > them together. Any one else out there experience problems on > either > > of these? > > Carolyn > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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