Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 R, I went by this, but think milk should be avoided, as makes mucus & inflammation worse. I ate eggs then had problems with them, maybe you won't. Try to keep meat to one serving a meal to avoid an ammonia problem. Simple stir frying meat w veggies, onions, garlic in olive oil is easy so can have a variety, w baking, grilling. I avoid canola, since corn feeds yeast. www.mold-survivor.com/dietcopyright.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Kathy, thanks for this info which is very usefull. What are the symptoms of too much amonia? Im very limited in what veggies i can eat and know i get too much protien. Yet my bloodwork shows low amino acid profile, maybe poor absorbtion, i guess yet another symptom of mold illness? ________________________ On 2011-02-03 14:57:27 +1100 KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote: > > R, > > I went by this, but think milk should be avoided, as makes mucus & > inflammation worse. > > I ate eggs then had problems with them, maybe you won't. > > Try to keep meat to one serving a meal to avoid an ammonia problem. > > Simple stir frying meat w veggies, onions, garlic in olive oil is easy > so can have a variety, w baking, grilling. > > I avoid canola, since corn feeds yeast. > > www.mold-survivor.com/dietcopyright.html > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Do you have Fibro ? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From:Dana S <candalah@...> Sent:Wed, February 2, 2011 11:06:52 PM Subject:Re: [] mold diet > www.mold-survivor.com/dietcopyright.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 You'd know if you felt a high or confused after eating meat. It's from Amy Yasko's protocol for autism & all illnesses. I read a person recovered from ALS w her protocol. She bases which sups benefit each person based on genetics,GFCF diet. Believes in inbalances w glutamate & GABA That too much calicum excites the nerves to death. We haven't been able to run her test yet, but are seeing results w using step one sups. We don't take her multi vit b/c has soy. She recommends those w less additives. Helicobacter pylori makes the enzyme urease, which converts uric acid into ammonia. Now there are significant quantities of uric acid in the stomach wall, so therefore Helicobacter pylori + uric acid in stomach wall = lots of ammonia. Now, ammonia is one of the most potent activators of the NMDA receptor - the brain cell receptor that mediates anxiety states. So once ammonia is generated within the stomach wall by Helicobacter pylori, if this ammonia then gets into the bloodstream and into the brain, it will activate the NMDA receptor on neurons, thereby switching on your " anxiety circuits " The fact that generalized anxiety disorder is a common co-morbid condition with peptic ulcers may be because of the ammonia generated by Helicobacter pylori. Note that activation of the NMDA receptors can be caused by other mechanisms, so ammonia is unlikely to be the cause of all cases of anxiety disorder. Treatment: Ammonia can be partially eliminated by dietary health supplements such as arginine alpha-ketoglutarate, and L-carnitine. So if people with peptic ulcers found that their anxiety disorder improved or was eliminated by taking these supplements, it would help support the Helicobacter pylori - ammonia hypothesis of this particular anxiety disorder. It is also possible that, if similar urease-generating bacteria colonize the kidneys (where there is also plenty of uric acid), this may also result in an anxiety disorder, by the very same mechanism of the urease enzyme converting uric acid into ammonia. Proteus mirabilis is once such bacterium that has a propensity to colonize the kidneys: Proteus mirabilis causes upper urinary tract infection (I believe Proteus mirabilis is responsible for 10% of upper urinary tract infection). You can measure urinary ammonia with a urine amino acids test (available from Doctor's Data, Metametrix, Genova). You can get a rough reading( low, medium, high, no numbers) using the Reams home testing kits. Yucca taken with protein foods helps to mop up ammonia. So does activated charcoal, taken apart 2 hrs apart from food. The urea cycle has to be supported properly. Sometimes one can see if it is working properly with the urine amino acids. If not, plasma aminos will give additional info. If not working, some interventions, depending on where the problem lies, are arginine, ornithine, citrulline, magnesium, BH4 (prescription), bioptern (not prescription but only available from practitioners except in tiny 25 mg doses.) The gut can still have dysbiosis but the buggers don't show up on stool tests. I read about the biofilms protocol being used in autism and the gut can have chlostridia or pseudomonas that is hiding from stool tests, DNA stool tests, and EAV testing because the byproducts show up on organic acid testing. With ammonia lowered enough there are fewer symptoms. If you want to check it out buy the book or the sup DVD. The biggest ticket item is her genetic test. I don't think you have to run many tests as is suggested. http://www.holisticheal.com/books-and-dvds/audiovisual Kat <candalah@...> Re: [] mold diet What are the symptoms of too much amonia? Im very limited in what veggies i can eat and know i get too much protien. Yet my bloodwork shows low amino acid profile, maybe poor absorbtion, i guess yet another symptom of mold illness? ____________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 You can buy Soloray Yucca in a cap if want to try. Start slow w a sprinkle, 1/4, 1/2 cap w meat. If it helps in time you know ammonia's part of the problem. Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 No Mayleen I dont but do get bad neck and jaw pain when around mold. As i understand it Fibro is pains in multiple points throughout the body? ________________________ On 2011-02-03 17:35:54 +1100 dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...> wrote: > > Do you have Fibro ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Wow Kat, thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed reply. I'm sure this info has helped others on the list in addition to myself. You obviously know quite a bit about the subject and i've been hearing the yasko name crop up quite a bit all over the place lately. Thankfully i have no symptoms after eating, after excluding all the other foods that gave me reactions lol but i do wonder about long term effects of too much protien. I try to get plenty veggies in the mix and will take all the info you've provided into consideration as well. Very interesting the link between parasites and amonnia. Thanks! I hope you are well. Kind regards D ________________________ On 2011-02-03 17:35:53 +1100 KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote: > > You'd know if you felt a high or confused after eating meat. > > It's from Amy Yasko's protocol for autism & all illnesses. I read a person > recovered from ALS w her protocol. She bases which sups benefit each person > based on genetics,GFCF diet. Believes in inbalances w glutamate & GABA > That too much calicum excites the nerves to death. We haven't been able to > run her test yet, but are seeing results w using step one sups. We don't take > her multi vit b/c has soy. She recommends those w less additives. > > Helicobacter pylori makes the enzyme urease, which converts uric acid > into ammonia. Now there are significant quantities of uric acid in the > stomach wall, so therefore > > Helicobacter pylori + uric acid in stomach wall = lots of ammonia. > > Now, ammonia is one of the most potent activators of the NMDA receptor - > the brain cell receptor that mediates anxiety states. So once ammonia > is generated within the stomach wall by Helicobacter pylori, if this > ammonia then gets into the bloodstream and into the brain, it will > activate the NMDA receptor on neurons, thereby switching on your > " anxiety circuits " m > > The fact that generalized anxiety disorder is a common co-morbid > condition with peptic ulcers may be because of the ammonia generated by > Helicobacter pylori. > > Note that activation of the NMDA receptors can be caused by other > mechanisms, so ammonia is unlikely to be the cause of all cases of > anxiety disorder. > > Treatment: Ammonia can be partially eliminated by dietary health > supplements such as arginine alpha-ketoglutarate, and L-carnitine. So if > people with peptic ulcers found that their anxiety disorder improved or > was eliminated by taking these supplements, it would help support the > Helicobacter pylori - ammonia hypothesis of this particular anxiety > disorder. > > It is also possible that, if similar urease-generating bacteria colonize > the kidneys (where there is also plenty of uric acid), this may also > result in an anxiety disorder, > > by the very same mechanism of the urease > enzyme converting uric acid into ammonia. > > > Proteus mirabilis is once such bacterium that has a propensity to > colonize the kidneys: Proteus mirabilis causes upper urinary tract > infection (I believe Proteus mirabilis is responsible for 10% of upper > urinary tract infection). > > You can measure urinary ammonia with a urine amino acids test (available > from Doctor's Data, Metametrix, Genova). You can get a rough > reading( low, medium, high, no numbers) using the Reams home > testing kits. > > Yucca taken with protein foods helps to mop up ammonia. So does activated > charcoal, taken apart 2 hrs apart from food. > > The urea cycle has to be supported properly. Sometimes one can see if > it is working properly with the urine amino acids. If not, plasma > aminos will give additional info. If not working, some > interventions, depending on where the problem lies, are arginine, > ornithine, citrulline, magnesium, BH4 (prescription), bioptern (not > prescription but only available from practitioners except in tiny 25 mg > doses.) > > > The gut > can still have dysbiosis but the buggers don't show up on stool tests. I > read about the biofilms protocol being used in autism and the gut can have > chlostridia or pseudomonas that is hiding from stool > tests, DNA stool tests, and EAV testing because the byproducts show up > on organic acid testing. > > With ammonia lowered enough there are fewer symptoms. > > If you want to check it out buy the book or the sup DVD. The biggest > ticket item is her genetic test. I don't think you have to run many > tests as is suggested. > > http://www.holisticheal.com/books-and-dvds/audiovisual > > Kat > > <candalah@...> > Re: [] mold diet > > What are the symptoms of too much amonia? Im very limited in what veggies i > can eat and know i get too much protien. Yet my bloodwork shows low amino > acid profile, maybe poor absorbtion, i guess yet another symptom of mold > illness? > ____________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Fibro is wide spread pain throwout the body. maybe you have TMJD and the mold makes that pain worse. That one would affect neck, jaw, face, shoulders This site shows trigger points for fibro. I am so fortunate I have all and myofascial pain syndrome. Lucky me. http://www.nfra.net/fibromyalgia_trigger_point.php http://www.kinetacore.org/physical-therapy/assets/files/level1-pre/Gerwin_Differ\ ential_Diagnos.pdf God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Dana S <candalah@...> Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 1:50:10 AM Subject: Re: [] mold diet No Mayleen I dont but do get bad neck and jaw pain when around mold. As i understand it Fibro is pains in multiple points throughout the body? > > Do you have Fibro ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 so sorry to hear that Mayleen, my pain is bearable presently. It was quite bad in the past. Not sure why it got better since everything else is getting worse but i'll take anything lol. It does get worse when im around large amounts of mold. I would imagine the pain of fibro to be horrible and im truely sorry that you have to suffer. Have you found anythi g to relieve the pain aside from the trigger point therapy? Kind regards, D ________________________ On 2011-02-04 10:36:18 +1100 dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...> wrote: > > Fibro is wide spread pain throwout the body. maybe you have TMJD and the > mold > makes that pain worse. That one would affect neck, jaw, face, shoulders > > This site shows trigger points for fibro. I am so fortunate I have all and > myofascial pain syndrome. Lucky me. > > http://www.nfra.net/fibromyalgia_trigger_point.php > > http://www.kinetacore.org/physical-therapy/assets/files/level1-pre/Gerwin_Differ\ ential_Diagnos.pdf > > > God Bless !! > dragonflymcs > Mayleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Thank you Dana, I really have no care with this Medicaid, not anyone that understands anything about CIRS , I have a neuro but being somewhere I cannot be is more detrimental than how I am. My neuro office is pretty good and he is pretty good listener. Going somewhere else though for therapy or something forget it. I would rather be. In 199_ when I got the myofacial pain syndrome I did a lot of therapy most of which was useless. I did get some benefit from cranial- sacral manipulation. Osteopathic manipulation to relieve the headaches from an injury. I do well with pain. bare and grin sometimes I bite LOL God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Dana S <candalah@...> Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 6:43:49 PM Subject: Re: [] mold diet so sorry to hear that Mayleen, my pain is bearable presently. It was quite bad in the past. Not sure why it got better since everything else is getting worse but i'll take anything lol. It does get worse when im around large amounts of mold. I would imagine the pain of fibro to be horrible and im truely sorry that you have to suffer. Have you found anythi g to relieve the pain aside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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