Re: OT Probiotics

[Guest guest]

thank you Barb I always have candida that's why I started them

Janet

In a message dated 3/4/2011 9:31:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

barb1283@... writes:

It depends on what shape your gi system was before you started them. If

your gi tract was in good health, you would expect to notice nothing but they

are good to take on a maintenance level, maybe one a day or merely have

some plain yogurt every day or once a week. If your gi tract is not good

[Guest guest]

It depends on what shape your gi system was before you started them. If your gi

tract was in good health, you would expect to notice nothing but they are good

to take on a maintenance level, maybe one a day or merely have some plain yogurt

every day or once a week. If your gi tract is not good it depends on what is

wrong w it whether probiotics will help or not. Common problems that are

relieved are indigestion, bloating or gas, that you would notice. Unnoticed

things would be better aborption of nutrients which would take a long time to

see a difference. If you have inflamation due to leaky gut or bad gut

condition, your total inflamation level may come down, leaving your feel better

in general. It's tough to say really because your gut bacteria affect so many

things and we don't know what kind of gi problems you may or may not have. They

don't hurt anything so I would just try them for a month or more and see if you

feel better. If nothingn else, the little bugs are sources of protein and why

yogurt has higher protein content than milk.

>

> Ive been taking probiotics for three weeks now what can I look for to

> know that it is helping?

> Janet

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you have Candida, you must do things to kill it as well as the probiotics.

As someone else mentioned, a good source of info on candida is

'naturallyhealingbybee'. She has a website and also a Health group. I

don't agree w everything she says but most of it is good info. It is all about

getting rid of candida and nothing else.

http://healingnaturallybybee.com/

Here are links to her support groups on . I'm familiar with the middle

one only for for Candida:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/groups/index.php

You have to keep in mind your own health situation as opposed to typical person

w just candida overgrowth though. For example if you have suppressed immune

system and toxic overload, you may want to steer clear of things she recommends

such as alot of fermented foods, or try them cautiously or in limited way. She

recommends them for the good bacteria in them but it has been recommended to

avoid fermented food on the anti mold diet recommendation, if I remember

correctly. Yogurt and Buttermilk for example are 'cultured' products using a

particular beneficial bacteria added in that is intended to growth, so that is

different than fermented...is it not, anyone?

>

> thank you Barb I always have candida that's why I started them

> Janet

>

> In a message dated 3/4/2011 9:31:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> barb1283@... writes:

>

> It depends on what shape your gi system was before you started them. If

> your gi tract was in good health,

[Guest guest]

I stay away from anything fermented. I cant even have a sip of wine or beer

and I react. I think it is helping my bowels as Im usually constipated

Janet

In a message dated 3/4/2011 10:15:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

barb1283@... writes:

If you have Candida, you must do things to kill it as well as the

probiotics. As someone else mentioned, a good source of info on candida is

'naturallyhealingbybee'. She has a website and also a Health group. I

don't

agree w everything she says but most of it is good info. It is all about

getting rid of candida and nothing else.

_http://healingnaturallybybee.com/_ (http://healingnaturallybybee.com/)

Here are links to her support groups on . I'm familiar with the

middle one only for for Candida:

_http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/groups/index.php_

(http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/groups/index.php)

You have to keep in mind your own health situation as opposed to typical

person w just candida overgrowth though. For example if you have suppressed

immune system and toxic overload, you may want to steer clear of things she

recommends such as alot of fermented foods, or try them cautiously or in

limited way. She recommends them for the good bacteria in them but it has

been recommended to avoid fermented food on the anti mold diet

recommendation, if I remember correctly. Yogurt and Buttermilk for example are

'cultured'

products using a particular beneficial bacteria added in that is intended

to growth, so that is different than fermented...is it not, anyone?

>

> thank you Barb I always have candida that's why I started them

> Janet

>

> In a message dated 3/4/2011 9:31:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> barb1283@... writes:

>

> It depends on what shape your gi system was before you started them. If

> your gi tract was in good health,

[Guest guest]

, what do you use triscuits for?

>

> Yes.

>

> Barth

>

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> SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

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> GAC> Triscuits? Like in crackers?

>

[Guest guest]

I like them, but they do make you " go " .

Barth

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bbw> , what do you use triscuits for?

bbw>

>>

>> Yes.

>>

>> Barth

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>> GAC> Triscuits? Like in crackers?

>>

[Guest guest]

are there spices in them?

In a message dated 3/5/2011 8:06:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

glypella@... writes:

I like them, but they do make you " go " .

Barth

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[Guest guest]

Is the diet hard to follow?

In a message dated 3/5/2011 6:51:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

baahstun@... writes:

Hi Janet-

Same here w/Candida until I found an EI doc who confronted me w/my

unknowingly horrific diet. She introduced me to the anti-candida diet and

although took quite some time to get use to it, I still do it to this day.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet-

 

Same here w/Candida until I found an EI doc who confronted me w/my unknowingly

horrific diet.  She introduced me to the anti-candida diet and although took

quite some time to get use to it, I still do it to this day.  

 

Kathy

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Fri Mar 4, 2011 9:39 am

Gingersnap1964@.

thank you Barb I always have candida that's why I started them

Janet

[Guest guest]

You really get used to it and it makes a hige difference in how you feel. I

second the person who recommends healingnaturallybybee.com she has some

ridiculous ideas about health that she is very stubborn about but much of what

she says is solid..Good ideas for detox on that site also.. Going low carb and

grain and dairy free will take a load off your immune system and make a huge

difference in how you feel. The food is delicious also. As the other person

mentioned you may want to avoid the fermented foods and some other items

recommended on te diet.

________________________

On 2011-03-06 11:54:23 +1100 Gingersnap1964@... wrote:

>

> Is the diet hard to follow?

>

>

> In a message dated 3/5/2011 6:51:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> baahstun@... writes:

>

> Hi Janet-

>

> Same here w/Candida until I found an EI doc who confronted me w/my

> unknowingly horrific diet. She introduced me to the anti-candida diet and

> although took quite some time to get use to it, I still do it to this day.

>

>

> Kathy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Triscuits:

mabe by Nabisco, made by Kraft Foods Inc:

I wrote to Kraft to tell them I didn not want GMOs inmy food and here is what

they say:

Thank you for your comments regarding the use of biotechnology ingredients. Like

you, we want only the best ingredients to go into our products.

Biotech ingredients are safe and have become common in the open market. Sixty to

seventy percent of packaged foods in the U.S. include biotechnology crops.

Currently approximately 90% of the soy and 80% of the corn available in the US

is from biotechnology crops.

We use biotech ingredients based on the backing of groups including the World

Health Organization, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, and the American

Medical Association that confirm there are no safety concerns.

Only organic ingredients must be grown using non-GMO seeds. While we do not

currently have any plans to create an organic or GMO free line, please be

assured that your comments will be shared with our nutritional team.

You have placed trust in us to provide healthy, nutritious, and safe food. We

will continue to evaluate our ingredients, suppliers and product formulas to

give you the best products possible.

Sincerely,

A Jimenez

Consumer Affairs

If you don't think GMOs will harm you you have not read enough. Here is a liink

for an audio file:

http://www.responsibletechnology.org/blog/664

there are other links as well you can listen to, and read.

This is soemthing that is poisoning us from the ground up. And it will for many

future generrations, our great granchildren!

Please look into this and vote with your money.

Meredith

Kraft food is the largest prepared food manufacturer of container type foods in

the world.

>

> Ive been taking probiotics for three weeks now what can I look for to

> know that it is helping?

> Janet

[Guest guest]

Do this with any food product. You'll find the same thing. You will

have to either grow your own wheat or buy organic wheat to make your

own wheat products. Most products also have soybean oil or soy

something in them. GMO frankenfoods are unavoidable thanks to

Monsatan. You did the right thing in expressing your disapproval of

GMO products. Everyone must do the same. I'd write back and tell them

that GMO is not safe and tell them why. Tell them it's become common

because people did not know what was going on (the dumb sheeples of

the world - silent majority) and that Monsatan bullied their way with

money into controlling the food sources of the world.

Barth

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f> Triscuits:

f> mabe by Nabisco, made by Kraft Foods Inc:

f> I wrote to Kraft to tell them I didn not want GMOs inmy food and here is what

they say:

f> Thank you for your comments regarding the use of biotechnology ingredients.

Like yo

[Guest guest]

I also find the diet to be helpful. As do others I know. Wheat and grains are

to be avoided. Later you may introduce one back at a time. Depending how you

feel you can eat them or avoid them all together. I used the diet plus coconut

oil for us. Haven't had a thrush in about 4 years now. Good Luck !

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: Dana S <candalah@...>

Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 8:03:20 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: OT Probiotics

You really get used to it and it makes a hige difference in how you feel. I

second the person who recommends healingnaturallybybee.com she has some

ridiculous ideas about health that she is very stubborn about but much of what

she says is solid..Good ideas for detox on that site also.. Going low carb and

grain and dairy free will take a load off your immune system and make a huge

difference in how you feel. The food is delicious also. As the other person

mentioned you may want to avoid the fermented foods and some other items

recommended on te diet.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet-

 

For me, the whole food/diet thing was a challenge as I just didn't know what to

eat.  I needed to totally change my entire diet and then also add the

anti-Candida component.  It would have been so much easier if I had already had

a good diet but not the case so I had to do both at the same time.  When I

first met my enviro doc, I just didn't have a clue about my diet and she freaked

me out by basically confronting me with everything I was putting in my

mouth......I consumed lots of diet soda, nutrawseet beverages, tons of coffee,

processed foods out of a box, pesticide sprayed produce.  Need I say more. 

 

Specific to the aniti-Candida component, there were two books that saved

me.  One was " No More Heartburn " by Dr Sherry and the other was " The

Yeast Connection/Yeast Connection " handbook by Crook. 

 

Please note that I have no financial or vested interest in any person, place,

object or anything else mentioned in this posting.

 

Kathy

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Is the diet hard to follow?

In a message dated 3/5/2011 6:51:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

baahstun@... writes:

Hi Janet- Same here w/Candida until I found an EI doc who confronted me w/my

unknowingly horrific diet. She introduced me to the anti-candida diet and

although took quite some time to get use to it, I still do it to this day. 

Kathy

[Guest guest]

That is why I read, read read and then buy a product. We have to be our own

best advocates. Their is no truth in labeling people for GMO's or many other

things. I said nothing because I did not want another attack on my person, but

here is the truth. Learn what, what not to eat, eat organic, learn to read

labels even if these are organic as there are several levels of organics. Be

informed, labels are lies. Learn to know the REAL truth about what you eat.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: fontanafool <productionking04@...>

Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 11:31:21 AM

Subject: [] Re: OT Probiotics

Triscuits:

mabe by Nabisco, made by Kraft Foods Inc:

I wrote to Kraft to tell them I didn not want GMOs inmy food and here is what

they say:

[Guest guest]

I make my own with organic flours, not a big deal to eat better, eat the right

things. Irish soda bread has no yeast in it for those who can tolerate wheat.

Farl has no yeast, muffins have no yeast. many things you can make

without yeast. Even biscotti for cookies.

Take one hour out of every other day or every three days or so and make

something healthy for you. If we eat that stuff they we are supporting it too.

Supply and demand

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: Patilla DaHun <glypella@...>

fontanafool < >

Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 12:11:04 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: OT Probiotics

Do this with any food product. You'll find the same thing.

[Guest guest]

There is also a book called The Inflammation Cure by J Meggs

............ but everything needs to adjusted to you and your specific

situation like Candida for example. Everything you read has to be

cross referenced with everything thing you have to get the optimal nutrition for

you while avoiding the molds, sugars and all else that should be avoided by

moldies in general.

The better you eat, the better your body can have a chance to fight ,

recover........... the poorer the foods like GMO's pesticides, processed foods

etc the smaller the chance of your body having an opportunity to fight it all.

IMO After all we are what we eat.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Inflammation-Cure/--Meggs/e/9780\

071413206

I have no vested interest in any

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: " baahstun@... " <baahstun@...>

Sick Buildings < >

Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 2:43:15 PM

Subject: [] Re: OT Probiotics

Hi Janet-

For me, the whole food/diet thing was a challenge as I just didn't know what to

eat. I needed

[Guest guest]

Mayleen, could you give a sample of what is in Inflamation Cure? Thx

>

> There is also a book called The Inflammation Cure by J Meggs

> ............ but everything needs to adjusted to you and your specific

> situation like Candida for example.

[Guest guest]

thank you for posting the letter from nabisco.

i often wonder how much brainwashing occurs in companies that state that gmo

food is completely safe and good for you. we don't live in the dark ages anymore

and there is so much accessible information to the majority of people, that it's

extremely concerning when companies such as nabisco make such comments.

unfortunately, the repercussion of eating of gmo food seems to be long term and

effect future generations. i once read an article about mice that were fed gmo

soy while they were pregnant. they were compared to another group of mice who

were fed organic soy. the control group ate normal feed. the gmo fed mothers did

not show ill effect, but the babies were born with defects and were only about

1/2 the weight of the control group. the mother mice who ate organic soy had

normal babies.

the problem is that gmo food hasn't been around long enough to see the long term

effects on us. much like anti-inflammatory medication, hormone replacement

drugs, etc which we were told 20 years ago were " completely safe " , and it was

only after people had been taking them for decades that research now shows that

these drugs caused many problems. it won't be for at least another generation

that side-effects from gmo foods will be more obvious.

i think that we'll come to a point where gmo food will be banned, i'm optimistic

it will happen during my life time.

--- In , " fontanafool " <productionking04@...>

wrote:

>

> Triscuits:

> mabe by Nabisco, made by Kraft Foods Inc:

> I wrote to Kraft to tell them I didn not want GMOs inmy food and here is what

they say:

>

> Thank you for your comments regarding the use of biotechnology ingredients.

Like you, we want only the best ingredients to go into our products.

>

> Biotech ingredients are safe and

[Guest guest]

Thank you and I too pray for the banning of such. I did see that study you

spoke of also, very troubling. So many children now are being born with

problems as it is, I cannot imagine what it is going to be like later. Did you

see the study on the umbilical cords of new born containing over 200 chemicals

already in them ??

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: momoko_uno <momoko_uno@...>

Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 10:13:44 AM

Subject: [] Re: OT Probiotics

thank you for posting the letter from nabisco.

i often wonder how much brainwashing occurs in companies that state that gmo

food is completely safe and good for you. we don't live in the dark ages anymore

and there is so much accessible information to the majority of people, that it's

extremely concerning when companies such

[Guest guest]

>

> If you have Candida, you must do things to kill it as well as the probiotics.

As someone else mentioned, a good source of info on candida is

'naturallyhealingbybee'. She has a website and also a Health group. I

don't agree w everything she says but most of it is good info. It is all about

getting rid of candida and nothing else.

>

> http://healingnaturallybybee.com/

Barb, this is a very interesting website, very different. I do not agree with

her protocol for eliminating candida, and my experiences are opposite to what

she says about probiotics and antifungals. But, I was fascinated to learn about

how toxins from candida can cause cell walls to become rigid and it explains the

myriad symptoms that candida sufferers have. I have pasted the rigid cells

explanation from her website below:

& #65279;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

How candida overgrows, causing symptoms, diseases and dysfunction

When Candida is allowed to get out of control it changes its shape and starts

branching out raising large families called colonies. These Candida colonies

excrete over 79 different types of toxins (chemicals) that circulate throughout

the body weakening the immune system and causing numerous symptoms and

dysfunctions throughout the body.

Two toxins that are particularly devastating are called acetaldehyde and ethanol

(a type of alcohol). Both act like poisons on the various tissues of the body

and can cause lesions.

These chemicals cause all of the cells in the body to go rigid/stiff, even white

and red blood cells. Flexibility is very important for the functioning of cells,

which allows nutrients and hormones to go in, and waste materials to go out, as

well as other important activities.

Red blood cells carry oxygen throughout the body and must be flexible enough to

squeeze down to about one-seventh their normal size in order to travel into the

body's tiny capillaries. When they become rigid the transport of life-giving

oxygen to all the tissues and organs is impaired. This causes the tissues and

organs to lose their ability to function. It is also why many candida sufferers

have cold hands and feet.

White blood cells fight infection by wrapping part of itself around a bacteria

or other foreign invader, swallowing the invader, and eventually destroying it.

White blood cells that have become brittle and rigid by yeast toxins can not do

their job. The result - you can't fight off infection as easily.

There's more. Defective cell membranes may interfere with the ability of glucose

(blood sugar) to penetrate the cells, a job normally accomplished with the help

of insulin. When cell membranes are damaged, the insulin will have trouble doing

its job – and insulin levels may have to be increased.

This causes low blood sugar levels (hypoglycaemia; also called insulin reaction)

resulting in low energy, light headedness, and sometimes even a coma. This

exhausts the pancreas, causing it to dysfunction as well.

Hormones regulate various body functions by traveling through the bloodstream to

vital areas of the body, and Candida toxins interfere with this process. Candida

toxins make all of the cells rigid in organs responsible for producing hormones,

so they are less capable of producing hormones. Hormones that are produced enter

the bloodstream yet they have trouble getting to their intended destination.

Once they arrive, they have difficulty getting into rigid cell membranes.

Hormones can not do their intended job if they don't achieve adequate levels in

the body's cells! Such hormones include thyroid, estrogen, progesterone,

testosterone, and many others, even those that regulate digestion and the

release of digestive juices.

Nutrients such as potassium, calcium, and other minerals also have trouble

getting into rigid cell walls. This can result in fluid retention, electrolyte

imbalances, and many other health problems.

In fact every nutrient required by the body will have difficulty getting into

rigid/stiff cells throughout the body, including protein (amino acids), fats,

carbohydrates, vitamins, minerals and even water. Rigid cells are also not as

able to get rid of their waste and regulate water balance.

This, in addition to foods being irradiated (exposed to high levels of radiation

to extend shelf life), foods being grown in nutrient-depleted soil, long storage

and transportation times, and improper handling, along with improper cooking and

microwaving that goes on in most homes, all result in depleted nutrients.

All of these factors contribute to a weakened immune system.

[Guest guest]

Anita, Can you tell me where you differ, particularly on probiotics and

antifungals? Thanks

>

Barb, this is a very interesting website, very different. I do not agree with

her protocol for eliminating candida, and my experiences are opposite to what

she says about probiotics and antifungals. But, I was fascinated to learn about

how toxins from candida can cause cell walls to become rigid and it explains the

myriad symptoms that candida sufferers have. I have pasted the rigid cells

explanation from her website below:

> & #65279;

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

[Guest guest]

>

> Anita, Can you tell me where you differ, particularly on probiotics and

antifungals? Thanks

Well, she says the body can manufacture its own flora and you don't need to take

it. I know under the right conditions and so on the body does make it's own.

It's just when you have gotten so weak and body systems so disabled as many of

us have you just need the supplementation. You can't wait for the body to get

better and healthier to where it can do that, you need it now! My body responds

to it right away whether it makes it all the way to the intestines or not. It

also is what has been healing up my stomach. I have really had digestive issues

and it has been vital for healing up irritation and inflammation. Everything

that can heal up the GI tract I use, but my body is in a delicate balance and

sometimes it only responds to one thing until that need is filled and then

another thing and sometimes all of them at the same time work.

She says that antifungals do not kill Candida and killing it is not the way to

get rid of it but my experience is that they do kill it and it does get rid of

it. Candida builds up resistance quickly and you have to keep taking different

antifungals. I respond immediately to taking antifungals, but if I don't rotate

them then I stop responding and benefiting. Everything I have researched about

the protocol for curing Candida, i.e. 1) cleansing/detoxing 2) rotating

antifungals 3) probiotics 4) immune boosting and 5) nutritional supplementation

along with good diet has been coming true for me.

My experiences with diet do not fill me with confidence that it is the magic

people say it is in eliminating Candida. I know a proper diet is important

overall to get healthy and health improvement also will help the Candida

problem, but I have in the past done things like diet alone (digestion and

health got worse), diet with supplements (healed my stomach and improved

digestion but not overall health), cleansing with diet (improved my health but

Candida got worse). I really think I needed the whole plan all together as

stated above. I do have to add though that I was being exposed to mold at the

time I was doing the cleansing and diet and I know now that mold aggravates

Candida, so maybe that's why. Sigh............

It's also like you pointed out, she is not treating people with MCS, so it is

different for us. She says a lot of really good things, just don't agree with

it all.

anita