Guest guest Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 After I cross contaminated my HP laptop, all the plastic ones bothered me. I bit the bullet and bought an Apple glass and aluminum laptop. You can actually clean if if it gets cross contaminated, and you have none of the problems assosiated with plastic. It actually has less toxic chemicals and radiation. Best thing I ever did. Do not ozone anything , especially for a short period of time, in a short period of time ou may make the spores non-viable, but they will release toxin to fight back. The toxin and MCOV's released by irritating the spores with anything like dis-infectant or bleach can be very hard to get rid of, not to mention dangerous to you personally. If you need to clean your Apple laptop, I recommend simple green, and if it needs toxin removal after that, simple green in some vodka. > > Hi Everyone, > > My situation is that my wife and I have been trying to escape from mold for the last 11 months. Last December we had a roof leak, which when you live in Maine can be a serious problem to fix, because of weather and temperature concerns. After numerous attempts to stop the leaking, our home was seriously contaminated with mold. My wife, who already had MCS, became progressively sicker and sicker as the winter went along. We did finally stop the leak in March. We considered remediation, but decided that it would just be best to leave the house with everything we own and move on. We le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Isn't this most likely a reacton to somethng else chemical or other thing w computer than mold? Did it actually smell 'moldy'?? I feel sure computers are put together and then packaged right away rather than sit around in then need to be 'dusted' before packaging and shipping. Where would the likely exposure be? I was quality control inspector for very short time in a plant that put computer components together and we wore outfits that looked like space suits. Area was air sealed so that no partcles of any kind would get into equipment. > > I work through the internet and require the use of a good computer. When we left our home last spring, I bought a new HP pavilion Elite desktop PC with an I-7 processor. I think it was moldy when it arrived. I know for certain that the mouse had a bad moldy smell. My wife started reacting to the computer almost immediately, but because of the other mold problems in the rental house at that time we couldn't isolate any particular cause for her reactions. When she is exposed to certain molds, she experiences prickling throughout her body, which advances into neuropathy and icepick pains. Exhaustion, depression, mind fog, and cardiac symptems then begin to unfold if the exposure is intense or prolonged. We went through numerous keyboards and mice over the course of the summer thinking that this would help. Nothing helped. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 , Because " all the plastic ones " bothered you this is most likely a situation where mold triggered a series of reactions to multiple sources rather than a continuing series of cross contamination from the original laptop to all others. I certainly agree to not use ozone. But I want to clarify the statement that mold releases mycotoxins as it dies. The mold biomass (the whole " plant " ) can release more spores and perhaps mycotoxins as it is dying. But it is not possible for spores to " fight back. " Mycotoxins are secondary metabolites, meaning they are generated as the mold colony consumes and metabolizes nutrients. Spores are seeds and do not metabolize nutrients. If they germinate (like seeds do) then in simple terms they begin growing and creating the mass of hyphae called a colony. When that " plant " is active it can create mycotoxins. What this means is that spores from growth which are floating around in the air or settled onto surfaces as part of the dust will not create mycotoxins. They aren't taking in nutrients and metabolizing them. Subtle distinction, I know, but with all the hysteria about cross contamination and mycotoxins I think it important to know more precisely what can happen and what cannot. That said, this doesn't mean " something " didn't happen. It just means the attribution of cause needs some adjustment or we begin taking incorrect action instead of something with a chance of success. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- After I cross contaminated my HP laptop, all the plastic ones bothered me. I bit the bullet and bought an Apple glass and aluminum laptop. You can actually clean if if it gets cross contaminated, and you have none of the problems assosiated with plastic. It actually has less toxic chemicals and radiation. Best thing I ever did. Do not ozone anything , especially for a short period of time, in a short period of time ou may make the spores non-viable, but they will release toxin to fight back. The toxin and MCOV's released by irritating the spores with anything like dis-infectant or bleach can be very hard to get rid of, not to mention dangerous to you personally. If you need to clean your Apple laptop, I recommend simple green, and if it needs toxin removal after that, simple green in some vodka. > > Hi Everyone, > > My situation is that my wife and I have been trying to escape from mold for the last 11 months. Last December we had a roof leak, which when you live in Maine can be a serious problem to fix, because of weather and temperature concerns. After numerous attempts to stop the leaking, our home was seriously contaminated with mold. My wife, who already had MCS, became progressively sicker and sicker as the winter went along. We did finally stop the leak in March. We considered remediation, but decided that it would just be best to leave the house with everything we own and move on. We le ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 16 Jun 2009, 0:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 There are many components in computers that can give off reactions. Especially fire retardants, plastics, cadium, mercury, lead, and many other things. Maybe just maybe not mold but computer toxins. They are horrible.   The safest after MCS is the Apple, new with the glass instead of plastic, metal housing, no lead, mercury, cadium, plastics, all minimum. I severely reacted to computers too. Still have a problem wish I could get an Apple. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: kathleenjeanbarrett <kjt@...> Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 9:42:13 PM Subject: [] Moldy Computers  Hi Everyone, My situation is that my wife and I have been trying to escape from mold for the last 11 months. Last December we had a roof leak, which when you live in Maine can be a serious problem to fix, because of weather and temperature concerns. After numerous attempts to stop the leaking, our home was seriously contaminated with mold. My wife, who already had MCS, became progressively sicker and sicker as the winter went along. We did finally stop the leak in March. We considered remediation, but decided that it would just be best to leave the house with everything we own and move on. We left everything and bought new clothes and move into a rental house that we thought would be safe. We liquidated the contents of the house and sold the house in April of this year. The rental house we moved into was 3 years old and was thought to not have a mold problem. We quickly found out that of course there was a mold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Yes, I became sensitized to the computer , after I tried to de-contaminate it . Weather it was the plastic or the chemicals or radiation or a combination I do not know. Whether or not the burning sensation I experience from irritating spores is the mycotoxin or the MVOC I do not know, I only know it is there, There is certainly toxin on spores that fly from an active colony, and wiping them with a disinfectant will have the same response as wiping a colony with bleach. Many people have been damaged this way, not just me. I alway hesitate to post because you will always get some piciyune dust mote up your nose about something I have said. Using bleach or disinfectant in an area with more than its ambient share of spores can cause just such a reaction. > > , > > Because " all the plastic ones " bothered you this is most likely a > situation where mold triggered a series of reactions to multiple > sources rather than a continuing series of cross contamination > from the original laptop to all others. > > I certainly agree to not use ozone. But I want to clarify the > statement that mold releases mycotoxins as it dies. > > The mold biomass (the whole " plant " ) can release more spores > and perhaps mycotoxins as it is dying. But it is not possible for > spores to " fight back. " Mycotoxins are secondary metabolites, > meaning they are generated as the mold colony consumes and > metabolizes nutrients. Spores are seeds and do not metabolize > nutrients. If they germinate (like seeds do) then in simple terms > they begin growing and creating the mass of hyphae called a > colony. When that " plant " is active it can create mycotoxins. > > What this means is that spores from growth which are floating > around in the air or settled onto surfaces as part of the dust will > not create mycotoxins. They aren't taking in nutrients and > metabolizing them. > > Subtle distinction, I know, but with all the hysteria about cross > contamination and mycotoxins I think it important to know more > precisely what can happen and what cannot. > > That said, this doesn't mean " something " didn't happen. It just > means the attribution of cause needs some adjustment or we > begin taking incorrect action instead of something with a chance > of success. > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats LLC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Carl: You mentioned the word " hyphae. " When I had my house tested years ago, all rooms showed some mold but only one bedroom also showed hyphae on the test. What would be different about that one room with the hyphae, just that the mold was still growing in there? Thank you. Diane > > , > > Because " all the plastic ones " bothered you this is most likely a > situation where mold triggered a series of reactions to multiple > sources rather than a continuing series of cross contamination > from the original laptop to all others. > > I certainly agree to not use ozone. But I want to clarify the > statement that mold releases mycotoxins as it dies. > > The mold biomass (the whole " plant " ) can release more spores > and perhaps mycotoxins as it is dying. But it is not possible for > spores to " fight back. " Mycotoxins are secondary metabolites, > meaning they are generated as the mold colony consumes and > metabolizes nutrients. Spores are seeds and do not metabolize > nutrients. If they germinate (like seeds do) then in simple terms > they begin growing and creating the mass of hyphae called a > colony. When that " plant " is active it can create mycotoxins. > > What this means is that spores from growth which are floating > around in the air or settled onto surfaces as part of the dust will > not create mycotoxins. They aren't taking in nutrients and > metabolizing them. > > Subtle distinction, I know, but with all the hysteria about cross > contamination and mycotoxins I think it important to know more > precisely what can happen and what cannot. > > That said, this doesn't mean " something " didn't happen. It just > means the attribution of cause needs some adjustment or we > begin taking incorrect action instead of something with a chance > of success. > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats LLC > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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