Re: Experiences with CSM robin

[Guest guest]

Those physical psychological problems your experiencing are not from the CSM. In

fact the CSM will help to stop all that or most of it in my experience. They are

in fact due to the toxins from the toxic mold still in your body. I notice when

i start to lose body fat the toxins get released again from the fat stores of my

body and cause those same symptoms. such a sad lonely feeling when that happens

again, ive associated those symptoms to very very very difficult time in life

during my worse sickness times. still going through it but not as bad:)

Elias

From: Tug <tug_slug@...>

Subject: [] Re: Experiences with CSM

Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 7:31 PM

I originally started on diflucan after my first exposure and it actually cleared

up the brain fog. The ENT that was prescribing it wouldnt give it to me for more

than 2 weeks so I switched Dr's which meant switching antifungals. I'd really

rethink dropping the diflucan, it was a god send for me.

>Has anyone had physical, psychological experiences with CSM.. for example, my

sinuses and brain are inflamming.. eyes feel some pressure.. possibly some

blurring.. could this be toxins moving? Brain inflammation makes me feel

unstable.. a little drifty psychologically speaking.. memory blanking out, brain

fog, .. do not feel safe to drive a car or be alone.. lose in the head feeling.

> >

> > I dropped the diflucan and kept in the csm.

>

[Guest guest]

Elias,

What is being described can also occur from a chemical reaction

to the CSM. CSM is a plastic resin. After 3 weeks of my first

experience, for example, I began to have physical discomfort in

parts of my body not related to the GI tract. They stopped shortly

after I quit taking the CSM. My mold recovery was sufficient so I

was okay.

Later, after another exposure, I started the CSM again. The

chemical type reactions started within a week. Since then I've

used CSM two more times with a similar experience.

I don't think they are from toxins releasing from my body because

they begin too quickly and stop too abruptly. Also, I went through

an intensive sauna detox program and am exquisitely familiar

with chemical release from my body into my blood stream.

What we must all keep in mind is that one experience does not fit

all. What saves one person can harm another. What harms one

may save another. Because our DNA is different, our exposure

history is different, the resulting gene expression is different, and

how we interact and interpret our experience is uniquely

individual. There are many patterns in common with others, but

not with all.

This is important to understand so we each respond to what is

really our problem. If we treat the wrong one(s) we can never get

better. Sometimes the " never getting better " result means we

aren't addressing what is actually harming us.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Those physical psychological problems your experiencing are not from the CSM. In

fact the CSM will help to stop all that or most of it in my experience. They are

in fact due to the toxins from the toxic mold still in your body. I notice when

i start to lose body fat the toxins get released again from the fat stores of my

body and cause those same symptoms. such a sad lonely feeling when that happens

again, ive associated those symptoms to very very very difficult time in life

during my worse sickness times. still going through it but not as bad:)

Elias

From: Tug <tug_slug@...>

Subject: [] Re: Experiences with CSM

Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 7:31 PM

I originally started on diflucan after my first exposure and it actually cleared

up the brain fog. The ENT that was prescribing it wouldnt give it to me for more

than 2 weeks so I switched Dr's which meant switching antifungals. I'd really

rethink dropping the diflucan, it was a god send for me.

>Has anyone had physical, psychological experiences with CSM.. for example, my

sinuses and brain are inflamming.. eyes feel some pressure.. possibly some

blurring.. could this be toxins moving? Brain inflammation makes me feel

unstable.. a little drifty psychologically speaking.. memory blanking out, brain

fog, .. do not feel safe to drive a car or be alone.. lose in the head feeling.

> >

> > I dropped the diflucan and kept in the csm.

>

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[Guest guest]

CSM def saved my life, If it wasnt for that drug i would still be bed bound. And

when i lose body fat those same symptoms come right back. CSM def helped me

during weight loss. Had no idea it was a plastic resin so thanks for the info.

Elias

From: Tug <tug_slug@...>

Subject: [] Re: Experiences with CSM

Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 7:31 PM

I originally started on diflucan after my first exposure and it actually cleared

up the brain fog. The ENT that was prescribing it wouldnt give it to me for more

than 2 weeks so I switched Dr's which meant switching antifungals. I'd really

rethink dropping the diflucan, it was a god send for me.

-

[Guest guest]

Thank you all.. I had another attack last night and skpiied my csm dose this am.

Im still not sure what as going on but last might I took a self defense class

with my daughter.. I partipated as I could and did very little physical

activity. I did lay down on the mat and that may have been my mistake.

I had bad tachtycardia last night like I did after smelling the musty halloween

costume at walmart week ago-ish... More recently I had the brain inflammation

after attending the part in the rec center room with the attached kitchen (bad

gas smell)and after visiting my parents home first time after remeediatio as

well as eating some halloween candy. I cant remember if I had tachytycardia..

the brain inflammation was so horrible.. I stopped the diflucan which I will

revisist later.. too much at once. I stayed with the csm so it doesnt seem the

csm was a fator unless it was a one time or rare reation to toxins moving.

This time.. .. I also gave into denial or stupid experimentation.. new

exposure.. then ate some candy again.. my mother pointed out that the mats used

at this place re not rubber and are nylone with a padding... dust, sweat,

possibly mold. I ve been to this place before for other activiteis in another

room several time and was ok.

?? oh sheesh..

after the fact.. and back to the brain inflammation.. my mother rechecked her

house and said she started to smell mustiness.. I told her the smell was off..

she had some piano music (and she has lots of it_) that she didnt want to get

rid of and it was well as curtains in that area were the source.

So that one looks like a possible spore or voc hit and if spores I breathed in

the diclucan went to work and I had a more intense die off than I normally would

have had.

the mysteries abound.. I am really getting sick of this though. There is no way

I can travel around to find my good place or go live in the desert.. I have to

make some peace with this place if I can.

Thrown in contaminating factors.. such as sugar intake with csm (Im suppsoed to

not eat glucose or amylose) and die off form herbs, and meds

I can see the value in taking one thing at a time and one exposure at a time and

go from there.. its like a food elimniation diet.

Very discouraging though.

Robin

So.. as for brain

>

> Elias,

>

> What is being described can also occur from a chemical reaction

> to the CSM. CSM is a plastic resin. After 3 weeks of my first

> experience, for example, I began to have physical discomfort in

> parts of my body not related to the GI tract. They stopped shortly

> after I quit taking the CSM. My mold recovery was sufficient so I

> was okay.

>

> Later, after another exposure, I started the CSM again. The

> chemical type reactions started within a week. Since then I've

> used CSM two more times with a similar experience.

>

> I don't think they are from toxins releasing from my body because

> they begin too quickly and stop too abruptly. Also, I went through

> an intensive sauna detox program and am exquisitely familiar

> with chemical release from my body into my blood stream.

>

> What we must all keep in mind is that one experience does not fit

> all. What saves one person can harm another. What harms one

> may save another. Because our DNA is different, our exposure

> history is different, the resulting gene expression is different, and

> how we interact and interpret our experience is uniquely

> individual. There are many patterns in common with others, but

> not with all.

>

> This is important to understand so we each respond to what is

> really our problem. If we treat the wrong one(s) we can never get

> better. Sometimes the " never getting better " result means we

> aren't addressing what is actually harming us.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

the good, the bad and the ugly.. great news and mean that and great news being

sarcastic.

Elias.. do you have one of shoemakers multisuseptable genes? Low MSH?

I would love to hear form people as well who have used csm to help their

children recover. I am leaning heavily toward natural bile sequesterants for

them esp and for me once and if I can get a round of csm under my belt.

Robin

>

> CSM def saved my life, If it wasnt for that drug i would still be bed bound.

And when i lose body fat those same symptoms come right back. CSM def helped me

during weight loss. Had no idea it was a plastic resin so thanks for the info.

> Elias

>

[Guest guest]

Plastic resin? Gross.

Still, I might try it. Is there any re

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On Nov 2, 2010, at 12:03 AM, " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

Elias,

What is being described can also occur from a chemical reaction

to the CSM. CSM is a plastic resin. After 3 weeks of my first

experience, for example, I began to have physical discomfort in

parts of my body not related to the GI tract. They stopped shortly

after I quit taking the CSM. My mold recovery was sufficient so I

was okay.

Later, after another exposure, I started the CSM again. The

chemical type reactions started within a week. Since then I've

used CSM two more times with a similar experience.

I don't think they are from toxins releasing from my body because

they begin too quickly and stop too abruptly. Also, I went through

an intensive sauna detox program and am exquisitely familiar

with chemical release from my body into my blood stream.

What we must all keep in mind is that one experience does not fit

all. What saves one person can harm another. What harms one

may save another. Because our DNA is different, our exposure

history is different, the resulting gene expression is different, and

how we interact and interpret our experience is uniquely

individual. There are many patterns in common with others, but

not with all.

This is important to understand so we each respond to what is

really our problem. If we treat the wrong one(s) we can never get

better. Sometimes the " never getting better " result means we

aren't addressing what is actually harming us.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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[Guest guest]

Robin, just a thought but do u think you could be expecting to much to soon? You

lived in your WDB for a long time it's going to take some time for your body to

detox.

I lived in my g/f's house for 4 months before we found the mold and while I'm

not nearly as symptomatic as I was I still have a ways to go and know that the

symptoms I'm dealing with could linger for quite some time. Also, when I finish

working out there's times that I feel worst after the work out as opposed to

before, same goes with the sauna, I get the worst headaches after sitting in the

sauna for 20 minutes it was so bad today I did everything I could just to make

it upstairs and lay in bed.

> the mysteries abound.. I am really getting sick of this though. There is no

way I can travel around to find my good place or go live in the desert.. I have

to make some peace with this place

[Guest guest]

Im sure I am on a level. Im also experiencing what must be unmasking. I dont

remember being wigged out so often by " exposures " to ? Its driving me insane

getting " hit " " out of the blue " and I would like to figure out what is going on.

Its not the sugar.. I ate more candy last night and was fine.. I know should

not.. and normally I dont.. Im craving fats and food since the csm.. got to get

to store.

As for the brain inflammation, I think it was the diflucan and a die off..

possibly exacerbated by sugar and a potential fungal exposure at my mothers

house.. or not

I think the tachycardia, chest pressure, breathlessness is actually an

asthma/RADS like response to inhaling certain irritants.. I dont think these are

reactions to mold toxins... though the irritants may be in " musty " stuff that

may be from a moisture related source.

Our dog is producing tons of dander, skin scaling off like mad since we changed

her dog food (there is no pet store here) and this may be adding to my body

burden. Jeff also found unreal amounts of dander in a dust sample from our old

house.. so this dog even before her current problems was cranking it out.

So we are looking for an outdoor solution for her. Shes a german shepard/lab

mix (both breeds produce high dander) and really prefers outdoors anyway.. just

hate to put her out though she will very have humane conditions.. hate to do it.

Her smell even days after a bath.. its just too much in addition to the dander

and hair.

The csm is going fine at this point though I scaled back to two times a day and

wil now work back up. I think I do have delayed gastric emptying at times and

need to work with that and my meds.

Robin

>

> > the mysteries abound.. I am really getting sick of this though. There is no

way I can travel around to find my good place or go live in the desert.. I have

to make some peace with this place

>