Re: Re: Correction needed by ACAAI on How to Clean Mold

[Guest guest]

Keep in mind that this report is 5 years old. Dr Portnoy has

modified his position since then.

That said (part 1), most mold is small areas which can be easily

cleaned. Most mold does not produce sufficient mycotoxins to

cause severe reactions. Not all mold always produces

mycotoxins.

That said (part 2), what statements like this don't go on to say is

something like: That doesn't mean mold can't produce

mycotoxins and it should not leave the impression that mold is

never dangerous to some individuals or significant situations.

What I would add is that the key is to assess when mold

GROWTH is a problem for each instance for each individual. And

it isn't always mold. It can also be bacteria and all the other

components and factor like Dr Thrasher specifies.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Good grief, I dont agree with most of this information. Toxic reactions can

absolutely be caused from inhalation of mold and mycotoxins. And..whatever you

do, do NOT clean mold with bleach!! D

>

> -- Toxic reaction: Most toxic reactions to fungi occur as a result of eating

> mold-contaminated foods. A toxic reaction is unlikely to occur from inhalation

> of fungi since the amount of exposure generally is too low to cause health

> effects.

>

>

> An individual should not panic at the first sight of mold growing in their

> home, " said Dr. Portnoy. " Small areas of visible mold growth should be cleaned

> with a dilute bleach/detergent solution, which kills viable colonies and

removes

> fungal allergens. Commercial products are available for this purpose, " said

Dr.

> Portnoy. ..................................................

>

> Patient information on allergic diseases is available by calling the ACAAI

toll

> free number at (800) 842-7777 or visiting its Web site at

http://www.acaai.org.

>

>

> The ACAAI is a professional medical organization comprising nearly 5,000

> qualified allergists-immunologists and related health care professionals. The

> College is dedicated to the clinical practice of allergy, asthma and

immunology

> through education and research to promote the highest quality of patient care.

>

>

> Citation: Portnoy, JM, et al. Health effects of indoor fungi. Ann Allergy

Asthma

> Immunol 2005;94:313-320.

>

>

> This study was supported in part by a grant from the Clorox Corporation.

>

> American College of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology

> 85 W. Algonquin Road, Suite 550

> Arlington Heights, IL 60005

> Web: http://www.acaai.org

>

> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/21521.php

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carl is right about Jay Portnoy and his understanding advancing over the

past five years. Dr. Portnoy has done much to advance the understanding of

irritant reactions from WDB. With that said, I wish Jay had spoken out

more loudly and requested his name be taken off as the author of the AAAAI's

mold position statement - that is merely a rehash of ACOEM's. This would

have helped tremendously to shut down the deceptive concept that has been

mass marketed into health policy, that mold poses little health threat

beyond allergy.

This below link with the supporting evidence WAS up on the ACHEMMIC/GIHN

website. They took it down. Be aware, people!!!!!! It is not only the

defense who shelters the politicians, the medical associations and the medical

teaching universities for their involvement in allowing this fiasco to

occur; which makes it even harder to get the truth out and shut this down.

This is why KC and I and a few others left that org. They are assisting to

squelch the information of the deceit in politics over this issue from coming

to greater public light.

_TRUTH OUT Sharon Kramer Letter To Saxon MOLD ISSUE | Katy's

Exposure_

(http://katysexposure.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/truth-out-sharon-kramer-letter-to\

-andrew-saxon-mold-issue/)

Section II

16) The physicians with whom you _co-authored the AAAAI_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/326862b4ec.pdf) mold position statement in 2006

while relying heavily on your, Bruce’s and ’s ACOEM position statement

of 2002 are: Bush, Jay Portnoy (?), Abba Terr and Woods.

17) Just like you have been let it be known you were unaware

of being a named as co-author for the substantive US Chamber medico-legal

mold publication of 2003 that carries the UC imprimatur on it; Dr. Portnoy

has let it be known he was unaware that he and thus his affiliated

university were listed as co-authoring the medico-legal policy paper of the

AAAAI at

the time of its publication in early 2006.

18) The AAAAI mold policy statement is a medico-legal

publication that is used to market the concept to the courts that it is the

consensus opinion of thousands of immunologists who treat mold injured patients

on a regular basis. Yet, listed as co-author – Jay Portnoy, who is the

Section Chief, Allergy, Asthma, Immunology, Professor of Pediatrics, University

of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine – deems the AAAAI paper as the “

scientific approach on this topic has been extremely negative†with his

name and University of Missouri credentials attached as authoring without his

knowledge. Thus adding false credibility that the AAAAI publication is

representative of the consensus of the five stated authors, and the scientific

consensus of the thousands of allergist and immunologist members of the

AAAAI; consistent with the occupational physicians of ACOEM.

19) However, Jay did not even know he was named as

co-authoring this paper for AAAAI until I told him in a February 2006 email. An

acquaintance of mine from Forbes Magazine, Dan Fisher, who frequently writes of

litigation from commerce’s position, somehow had access to the AAAAI policy

statement before its publication in the JACI and sent it to me. I sent it

to Jay. Jay _then requested his name be removed_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/316fc0b8e3.pdf) . Apparently, the AAAAI replied

“Noâ€, as Jay is still

named as co-authoring this substantive medico-legal policy paper that does not

support his scientific opinion and in reality, he did not co-author. He

says you rewrote his findings regarding irritant reactions from mold exposure

and from there he had nothing to do with it.

20) Much like the USA went to war based on the frenzied hype

and false marketing to decision makers that Iraq had weapons of mass

destruction; all three of these closely related medico-legal policy setters,

ACOEM’s, AAAAI’s & US Chamber’s, all naming you as co-authoring and thus

all

carrying the _University of California’s imprimatur_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/d11dc50d3e.pdf) , are used in marketing the false

scientific concept to

the courts and into US health policy that Bruce and could

legitimately apply math extrapolations to data they took from a single

intratracially

instilled mechanistic study by Dr. Carol Rao; mix several hypotheticals

into the equation; and then _mass market_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/8a5bcdc27f.pdf) via medical associations, teaching

hospitals and the US Chamber;

what is a nonsequitor of science that flies in the face of the basic tenets

of _toxicology and common sense_ (http://freepdfhosting.com/b6fe5a07f4.pdf) .

Ie, Based on this _one set of calculations_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/74478c4cad.pdf) , the toxic components of mold that

are found in water damaged

buildings are scientifically established to pose no threat to human health.

Thus, sick little children in the USA, who claim moldy (and insured)

buildings are making them seriously ill with chronic immune system

inflammations

brought on by microbial toxins, are Evil Doers out to scam insurers – and

so are their weeping mothers. (Best summed up by a Sacramento, California

judge, _Huge Leap_ (http://freepdfhosting.com/b07f62e149.pdf) )

SECTION IV

1) I think it is time to cleanse the air in the name of

public health (double entendre’ intended) and to put a stop to the

misinformation of _who really authored _

(http://freepdfhosting.com/022512be4d.pdf) and

who _really peer reviewed _ (http://freepdfhosting.com/4cd815376a.pdf) what

substantive mold medico-legal policy publications that are misused by the

defense in mold litigation by their ability to falsely portray these

questionably authored and questionably peer reviewed papers (if peer reviewed

at

all) as the _scientific consensus opinion of thousands_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/cc31894825.pdf) of physicians with the falsified

imprimaturs of

teaching universities on them; and with the impact being adverse influence on

US public health policy as whole. Don’t you?

2) As such, I would like to help you get the truth of your

Hake Case testimony out regarding your noninvolvement with the US Chamber of

Commerce over the mold issue and that you find their “Scientific Viewâ€

publication to be “nonscientific piece that has [your] name [and your UCLA

affiliated physician credentials] on itâ€.

3) I know this does not come as news to you, Dr. Saxon: Your,

Bruce’s, ’s, Coreen’s, the US Chamber of Commerce’s, ACOEM’s and

AAAAI’s conflicted interests and the resultant adverse impact on mold

litigation and thus US health policy as a whole, have previously been written

of

on the front page of the Wall Street Journal in 2007 “Amid Suits Over Mold

Experts Wear Two Hats, _Authors of Science Papers Often Cited by the Defense

Also Help in Litigation_

(http://drcraner.com/images/suits_over_mold_WSJ.pdf) â€.

4) The matter has been written of twice in the International

Journal of Occupational and Environmental Health (IJOEH). It has been

brought to numerous courts’ attentions in numerous legal proceedings

throughout

the US. It, and the _nonsequitor of science_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/74478c4cad.pdf) behind it – “_huge leap_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/a6ca202328.pdf) †hypothetical to establish false

denial of human toxicity -have

been written of in several _medical_ (http://freepdfhosting.com/08ce6cd1f2.pdf)

and _non-medical publications_ (http://freepdfhosting.com/0e56e524d7.pdf)

..

5) _Center for Science in the Public Interest_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/319d8f6ea1.pdf) (“CSPIâ€) has voiced concerns of

the matter

and its impact on the mold issue and public health when expert witnesses for

the defense do not disclose their financial interests while seeing their

writings published as substantive medical policy papers portrayed in medical

journals as representative of the opinions of thousands of physicians; and

thereby serving the interest of the insurance industry and the authors

themselves when generating income by expert witnessing before the courts.

6) The _AAAAI oddly did not retract_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/d28e61e06a.pdf) or _edit their 2006_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/ec5a63f00c.pdf) mold medico-legal policy paper,

even after receiving _numerous

complaints_ (http://freepdfhosting.com/a92a707b2a.pdf) from physicians and

scientists (including _Dr. Harriet Ammann,_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/e691d07115.pdf) the author of Toxicity Section for

the _IOM Report (2004)_

(http://freepdfhosting.com/202c87e945.pdf) with which the AAAAI mold statement

falsely _professes to be in sync_ (http://freepdfhosting.com/00a3f68cb3.pdf)

) ; and even after Jay informed them he did not really author any aspect

of the final product of their policy paper – in 2006. The AAAAI did change

their journal _authors’ required disclosure policy _

(http://freepdfhosting.com/3b1818e731.pdf) to include income generated from

professionally

witnessing, directly because of this fiasco over the mold issue – which lives

on

through the US Chamber of Commerce and the NAA. – “panel of scientistsâ€

“

years of intense study have failed to produce any causal connection†“

nonscientific piece that has my name on it†“something assessible to

judges†“

negative on the science†“huge leap†of the AAAAI, ACOEM, and US Chamber

of

Commerce’s “Scientific View†of the health effects of mold and 2009, NAA

legal document in Arizona.

7) The under oath conflicting testimonies of you and Bruce of

who really authored what for the US Chamber of Commerce over the mold

issue further diminishes the scientific credibility of both ACOEM’s and

AAAAI’

s mold position statements that are both co-authored by you — by the

entanglement of medical association position statement authors and prolific

expert defense witnesses – who basically seem to point the finger at each

other

about who really authored a scientifically void, medico-legal marketing

piece for US Chamber of Commerce over the mold issue with the express intent

to influence the courts – and no one claiming authorship of the Chamber

paper on their CV’s.

8) _The Big Lie_ (http://freepdfhosting.com/8a5bcdc27f.pdf)

in health marketing perpetrated by both ACOEM and AAAAI is _Plainly Stated

in Lay Terminology_ (http://freepdfhosting.com/28c0f50004.pdf) by the US

Chamber paper, Ie, that it is scientifically proven the toxic components of

mold does no harm when one is exposed in a water damaged building and

anyone who says it does should be considered by their doctors and the courts to

be mentally ill liars out to scam their insurer, employer or landlord– with

your imprimatur and thus the University of California’s on all three of

these medico-legal policy papers: ACOEM’s, AAAAI’s & & the US Chamber’s.

[Guest guest]

The position statements by AAAI and ACOEM are erroneous and out dated. For

example, the AAAI position statement excludes the innate immune system

(macrophages), which are responsible for chronic inflammatory responses (see my

web site on this subject). For example, macrophages can be switched from the

good guys (Jedi, defense and repair) to the Dark Side (chronic inflammation).

The ACOEM position is no longer acceptable in the courts of California under the

-Frye standard. The judge ruled that leaping from an animal study to

humans is not acceptable. The judge recognized that the position paper was poor

science.

Re: [] Re: Correction needed by ACAAI on How to Clean

Mold

Keep in mind that this report is 5 years old. Dr Portnoy has

modified his position since then.

That said (part 1), most mold is small areas which can be easily

cleaned. Most mold does not produce sufficient mycotoxins to

cause severe reactions. Not all mold always produces

mycotoxins.

That said (part 2), what statements like this don't go on to say is

something like: That doesn't mean mold can't produce

mycotoxins and it should not leave the impression that mold is

never dangerous to some individuals or significant situations.

What I would add is that the key is to assess when mold

GROWTH is a problem for each instance for each individual. And

it isn't always mold. It can also be bacteria and all the other

components and factor like Dr Thrasher specifies.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

Neither do I but look at who is paying for mis- information

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: dianebolton52 <dianebolton@...>

Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 8:03:26 PM

Subject: [] Re: Correction needed by ACAAI on How to Clean Mold

 

Good grief, I dont agree with most of this information. Toxic reactions can

absolutely be caused from inhalation of mold and mycotoxins. And..whatever you

do, do NOT clean mold with bleach!! D

>

> -- Toxic reaction: Most toxic reactions to fungi occur as a result of eating

> mold-contaminated foods. A toxic reaction is unlikely to occur from inhalation

> of fungi since the amount of exposure generally is too low to cause health

> effects.

>

>

> An individual should not panic at the first sight of mold growing in their

> home, " said Dr. Portnoy. " Small areas of visible mold growth should be cleaned

> with a dilute bleach/detergent solution, which kills viable colonies and

>removes

>

> fungal allergens. Commercial products are available for this purpose, " said

Dr.

>

> Portnoy. ..................................................

>

> Patient information on allergic diseases is available by calling the ACAAI

toll

>

> free number at (800) 842-7777 or visiting its Web site at

http://www.acaai.org.

>

>

>

> The ACAAI is a professional medical organization comprising nearly 5,000

> qualified allergists-immunologists and related health care professionals. The

> College is dedicated to the clinical practice of allergy, asthma and

immunology

>

> through education and research to promote the highest quality of patient care.

>

>

> Citation: Portnoy, JM, et al. Health effects of indoor fungi. Ann Allergy

>Asthma

>

> Immunol 2005;94:313-320.

>

>

> This study was supported in part by a grant from the Clorox Corporation.

>

> American College of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology

> 85 W. Algonquin Road, Suite 550

> Arlington Heights, IL 60005

> Web: http://www.acaai.org 

>  

>  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/21521.php

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you both Dr Thrasher and Carl !!

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Sat, November 6, 2010 3:54:26 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Correction needed by ACAAI on How to Clean Mold

 

The position statements by AAAI and ACOEM are erroneous and out dated. For

example, the AAAI position statement excludes the innate immune system

(macrophages), which are responsible for chronic inflammatory responses (see my

web site on this subject). For example, macrophages can be switched from the

good guys (Jedi, defense and repair) to the Dark Side (chronic inflammation).

The ACOEM position is no longer acceptable in the courts of California under the

-Frye standard. The judge ruled that leaping from an animal study to humans

is not acceptable. The judge recognized that the position paper was poor

science.

Re: [] Re: Correction needed by ACAAI on How to Clean Mold

Keep in mind that this report is 5 years old. Dr Portnoy has

modified his position since then.

That said (part 1), most mold is small areas which can be easily

cleaned. Most mold does not produce sufficient mycotoxins to

cause severe reactions. Not all mold always produces

mycotoxins.

That said (part 2), what statements like this don't go on to say is

something like: That doesn't mean mold can't produce

mycotoxins and it should not leave the impression that mold is

never dangerous to some individuals or significant situations.

What I would add is that the key is to assess when mold

GROWTH is a problem for each instance for each individual. And

it isn't always mold. It can also be bacteria and all the other

components and factor like Dr Thrasher specifies.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC