Re: Mold's not to be taken lightly

[Guest guest]

K.C.: great post. I have been looking at cardio vascular problems and

Aspergillus spp. Aspergillus in both immune compromised and non compromised

people can lead to aneurysm of various blood vessels. All one need to do is

check Aspergillus + aneurysm via PubMed.

What brought the subject to my attention are police officers in a building

outside of U.S. that I am currently involved in have developed aneurysms. Some

have already died.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

sandracrawley@...

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[] Mold's not to be taken lightly

Mold's not to be taken lightly

Mc

Issue date: 11/4/10 Section:

http://media.www.easternprogress.com/media/storage/paper419/news/2010/11/04/News\

/Molds.Not.To.Be.Taken.Lightly-3953740.shtml

If you had told me five years ago that something as common as mold was going

to change the rest of my life, I would have probably laughed at you and went on

with whatever I was doing.

Most people don't see mold as much of a danger. In fact, most people don't

worry at all when they find a little mold. I was one of those people, but not

anymore. It took nearly dying, having open-heart surgery and being on medicine

for the rest of my life for me to realize the true dangers of mold.

[Guest guest]

And the pain and suffering will continue for many more years if WE allow and let

the deceit to continue. Another unsuspecting, innocent person will suffer the

effects of mold induced illnesses. When will it stop, and how many more lives

will be destroyed or LOST!!!!!

This is insane! And so is this

This below link with the supporting evidence WAS up on the ACHEMMIC/GIHN

website. They took it down. Be aware, people!!!!!! It is not only the

defense who shelters the politicians, the medical associations and the medical

teaching universities for their involvement in allowing this fiasco to

occur; which makes it even harder to get the truth out and shut this down.

This is why KC and I and a few others left that org. They are assisting to

squelch the information of the deceit in politics over this issue from coming

to greater public light.

_TRUTH OUT Sharon Kramer Letter To Saxon MOLD ISSUE | Katy's

Exposure_

(http://katysexposure.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/truth-out-sharon-kramer-letter-to\

\

-andrew-saxon-mold-issue/)

>

> Mold's not to be taken lightly

>

> Mc

> Issue date: 11/4/10 Section:

>

>

http://media.www.easternprogress.com/media/storage/paper419/news/2010/11/04/News\

/Molds.Not.To.Be.Taken.Lightly-3953740.shtml

>

> If you had told me five years ago that something as common as mold was going

to change the rest of my life, I would have probably laughed at you and went on

with whatever I was doing.

>

> Most people don't see mold as much of a danger. In fact, most people don't

worry at all when they find a little mold. I was one of those people, but not

anymore. It took nearly dying, having open-heart surgery and being on medicine

for the rest of my life for me to realize the true dangers of mold.

>

> In the beginning of 2006, I learned that the mold in my apartment from

Hurricane Katrina had infected an undetected heart defect I had and I was told

by doctors that I was going to die. I was in complete shock. I was a United

States Marine, I ran 10 miles every day, I always scored high on my physical

fitness tests, and mold was killing me?

>

> As shocked as I might have been, mold really was killing me. It had infected

my aortic valve and my heart was leaking blood at an alarming rate. In a few

short weeks, I went from being in great physical shape to needing help sitting

up in bed. I was literally dying and it was happening faster than I expected.

>

> In October 2006, I was discharged from the Marine Corps and sent home a broken

man. My health continued to decline through the next few months. In the

following January, I met my cardiologist for the first time.

>

> At that point I was given two options: valve replacement surgery or death.

Simple choice. The surgery was scheduled for March, and I had two months to

contemplate death and whatever came after.

>

> I guess the actual surgery was harder on my family than it was on me. We woke

up early in the morning on the day of my surgery and went to the Rudd Heart and

Lung Clinic at Jewish Hospital in Louisville to wait for show time.

>

> The first thing I remember after waking up was a ticking sound. My eyes had

some kind of goo all over them so I couldn't see, and there was a tube down my

throat that was really getting on my nerves. The tube didn't stay in for very

long, but it hurt coming out.

>

> When my eyes were cleaned up and I was moved from the ICU to a private room, I

was a little freaked out when I got to see myself in a mirror. I had tubes

coming from everywhere, including two tubes, which were coming out of 1-inch

holes in my stomach. Those tubes were by far the most painful part of the entire

surgery. I was told they were draining my lungs, but whatever they were doing,

it was the most intensely painful thing I have ever experienced in my life.

>

> Eventually I found out the ticking noise I heard when I woke up was my new

aortic valve, and it would be something I had to deal with for the rest of my

life, along with many new challenges and frustrations.

>

> It took 27 days for me to be released from the hospital. Since then I have had

to visit the emergency room several times, I'm on blood thinners for the rest of

my life and I have to get monthly blood tests.

>

> I've heard recently that there are some mold problems in some of the dorms on

campus. I hope that, by sharing my story, people take mold a little more

seriously. It's not something that should be dismissed as an unimportant issue.

Mold is very dangerous and can kill you. I was really fortunate that my problems

were identified early enough. The next person may not be so lucky.

>

>

>

>

> MLB

> posted 11/04/10 @ 1:24 PM EST

> I have a lot of mold in my room, and I'm pretty sure it is making my roommate

sick, and me too. When my roommate went to health services and told the doctor

there was mold in our room and that may be a reason she was sic, the doctor

jumped all over it saying " that can't be the problem, it's something else. Mold

wouldn't do this to you. " Well I beg to differ. I think the mold is doing it to

her and to me (it's affecting her much worse though). Then I get an email saying

that housing has noticed we put in orders to get the mold removed and to go see

our RHC. Well, I have a problem with that. Mold is dangerous and I think they

should have been over here in our room as soon as they found out about the

problem. Also, I keep trying to meet with my RHC, but she has not been available

when I have been, so it's just delaying things even longer and the mold is just

getting worse.

>

> EKU needs to take care of this problem. They need better upkeep in the dorms.

Last year I spent all winter in a room with no heat and the temperature never

got above 50 degrees (usually it was around 43-45), now I'm having to deal with

all of this mold, not to mention the leaking pipes and the constant humidity in

my room. This is making me want to move off of campus so badly, too bad they put

an age restriction so I HAVE to live on campus next year. This is a failure of

the university to take care of it's students. If I were living in an apartment

with these same problems the owner would have to take care of them, EKU should

have to do the same. They should not be able to get away with making students

live in these conditions.

>

> Post a reply to this comment

>

[Guest guest]

Deliberate Indifference:

Deliberate indifference is the conscious or reckless disregard of the

consequences of one's acts or omissions. It entails something more than

negligence, but is satisfied by something less than acts or omissions for the

very

purpose of causing harm or with knowledge that harm will result. In law,

the courts apply the deliberate indifference standard to determine if a

professional has violated an inmate’s civil rights. Deliberate indifference

occurs when a professional knows of and disregards an excessive risk to an

inmate’s health or safety. Even though it is difficult to identify what does

and does not constitute deliberate indifference, courts have recognized

several factual scenarios where deliberate indifference exists. For example,

intentionally refusing to respond to an inmate’s complaints has been

acknowledged as constituting deliberate indifference. [Gutierrez v. s, 111

F.3d 1364, 1366 (7th Cir. Ill. 1997)]; Intentionally delaying medical care for

a known injury (i.e. a broken wrist) has been held to constitute deliberate

indifference. [Farmer v. Brennan, 511 U.S. 825 (U.S. 1994).]

The following are examples of case law discussing deliberate indifference

Prison employees who act with deliberate indifference to the inmates'

safety violate the Eighth Amendment. But to be guilty of " deliberate

indifference " they must know they are creating a substantial risk of bodily

harm. If

they place a prisoner in a cell that has a cobra, but they do not know that

there is a cobra there (or even that there is a high probability that there

is a cobra there), they are not guilty of deliberate indifference even if

they should have known about the risk, that is, even if they were

negligent--even grossly negligent or even reckless in the tort sense--in

failing to

know. But if they know that there is a cobra there or at least that there

is a high probability of a cobra there, and do nothing, that is deliberate

indifference.[billman v. Indiana Dep't of Corrections, 56 F.3d 785, 788 (7th

Cir. Ind. 1995)]

Deliberate indifference is defined as “a failure to act where prison

officials have knowledge of a substantial risk of serious harm to inmate health

or safety.†Crayton v. Quarterman, 2009 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 103709 (N.D. Tex.

Oct. 14, 2009)

Deliberate indifference is defined as requiring (1) an " awareness of facts

from which the inference could be drawn that a substantial risk of serious

harm exists " and (2) the actual " drawing of the inference. " Elliott v.

, 2009 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 91125 (N.D. Fla. Sept. 1, 2009)

com·plic·it –adjective

choosing to be involved in an illegal or questionable act, esp. with

others; having complicity.

In a message dated 11/6/2010 5:11:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

tigerpaw2c@... writes:

And the pain and suffering will continue for many more years if WE allow

and let the deceit to continue. Another unsuspecting, innocent person will

suffer the effects of mold induced illnesses. When will it stop, and how

many more lives will be destroyed or LOST!!!!!

This is insane! (more)

[Guest guest]

No. That is not " deliberate indifference " . That is " failure to

disclose " or " concealment " . Two different legal points.

If you can prove that an agent knew there was a problem with the water

line, and did not disclose it, that agent would (should) be in big trouble.

If you can prove that a government agency was deliberately indifferent,

then the State or Federal government would (should) be in big trouble.

In a message dated 11/7/2010 11:42:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

Sharon, like a real-estate broker/agent that sells a mold ridden home with

a contaminated water supply for his long time buddy who knew

these problems where there and the disclosier was nothing but lies apon

lies. deliberate indifference

[Guest guest]

Given the state of politics today, I think you have to file a claim with

them for damages...then sue them.

In a message dated 11/7/2010 3:41:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

yes, you can bet I turned him into the commision, what did they do?

nothing.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dr.Thrasher. This one really joked me up. I don't know why, but at the

same time I became very angry.Here is another article I posted back in 07 that I

found to be very interesting, along with the term (vegetation). Sounds like some

of our members may be growing there own garden and not realize it.

Heart Valve Infections

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/297/12/1396

Heart valves allow one-way flow of blood through the heart. Damaged

heart valves that do not open completely (called stenosis) or close

completely (called regurgitation) are susceptible to infection

because they cause abnormal blood flow through the valve. Infections

of heart valves (known as endocarditis) are serious and can be life-

threatening. The most common heart infections are caused by

bacteria, though fungal infections can also occur. Prosthetic

(replaced) or repaired heart valves are prone to infection. Growths

of infectious tissue on heart valves are called vegetations and can

lead to strokes due to pieces of tissue breaking off (called emboli)

and blocking blood vessels in the brain. The March 28, 2007, issue

of JAMA includes an article on infections of prosthetic heart

valves.

RISK FACTORS

Damaged or abnormal heart valves

Prosthetic heart valves

Intravenous illegal drug use causing heart valve damage from foreign

substances and infectious agents injected into the bloodstream

Indwelling medical equipment such as intravascular catheters,

pacemakers, and defibrillators serving as an entry point for

bacteria

SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS

Fever

Back, joint, or muscle aches

Shortness of breath

Fatigue

Unusual rash or spots on skin

DIAGNOSIS AND TESTING

In addition to asking questions about your history and doing a

physical examination, your doctor may order blood tests looking for

anemia or an increased white blood cell count, which indicates

infection. Blood may be sampled and cultured, looking for bacteria

in the bloodstream. An echocardiogram (an ultrasound examination of

the heart) can show abnormal blood flow through the heart or damage

to the valves or heart chambers. Echocardiograms are also useful to

diagnose serious complications of endocarditis, such as an abscess

(a pocket of infection) and regurgitation.

TREATMENT

Antibiotics are selected based on what type of bacteria or fungus

grows in laboratory studies. Because heart valve infection is

serious, treatment with intravenous antibiotics for a prolonged

period of time (usually 4 to 6 weeks) may be necessary.

Surgery may be needed to repair or replace the damaged valve.

If you have an abnormal or prosthetic heart valve, your doctor may

recommend antibiotic therapy before dental procedures or other

invasive treatments to prevent bloodstream infections.

FOR MORE INFORMATION

American Heart Association

http://www.americanheart.org

National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov

INFORM YOURSELF

To find this and previous JAMA Patient Pages, go to the Patient Page

Index on JAMA's Web site at http://www.jama.com. Many are available

in English and Spanish. A Patient Page on endocarditis was published

in the July 3, 2002, issue.

Sources: National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute; American Heart

Association; Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

The JAMA Patient Page is a public service of JAMA. The information

and recommendations appearing on this page are appropriate in most

instances, but they are not a substitute for medical diagnosis. For

specific information concerning your personal medical condition,

JAMA suggests that you consult your physician. This page may be

photocopied noncommercially by physicians and other health care

professionals to share with patients. To purchase bulk reprints,

call 203/259-8724.

TOPIC: HEART DISEASE

Janet M. Torpy, MD, Writer; Alison E. Burke, MA, Illustrator;

M. Glass, MD, Editor

JAMA. 2007;297:1396.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> K.C.: great post. I have been looking at cardio vascular problems and

Aspergillus spp. Aspergillus in both immune compromised and non compromised

people can lead to aneurysm of various blood vessels. All one need to do is

check Aspergillus + aneurysm via PubMed.

>

> What brought the subject to my attention are police officers in a building

outside of U.S. that I am currently involved in have developed aneurysms. Some

have already died.

>

> Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

> www.drthrasher.org

> toxicologist1@...

> Off: 916-745-4703

> Cell: 575-937-1150

>

>

> L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

> Trauma Specialist

> sandracrawley@...

> 916-745-4703 - Off

> 775-309-3994 - Cell

>

>

>

>

> This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered

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>

>

> [] Mold's not to be taken lightly

>

>

>

> Mold's not to be taken lightly

>

> Mc

> Issue date: 11/4/10 Section:

>

>

http://media.www.easternprogress.com/media/storage/paper419/news/2010/11/04/News\

/Molds.Not.To.Be.Taken.Lightly-3953740.shtml

>

> If you had told me five years ago that something as common as mold was going

to change the rest of my life, I would have probably laughed at you and went on

with whatever I was doing.

>

> Most people don't see mold as much of a danger. In fact, most people don't

worry at all when they find a little mold. I was one of those people, but not

anymore. It took nearly dying, having open-heart surgery and being on medicine

for the rest of my life for me to realize the true dangers of mold.

>

[Guest guest]

theres a vedio out there somewhere showing fungal diseased heart, gross, and

very disturbing.

[Guest guest]

Sharon, like a real-estate broker/agent that sells a mold ridden home with a

contaminated water supply for his long time buddy who knew

these problems where there and the disclosier was nothing but lies apon lies.

deliberate indifference

>

> Deliberate Indifference:

>

>

> Deliberate indifference is the conscious or reckless disregard of the

> consequences of one's acts or omissions. It entails something more than

> negligence,

[Guest guest]

well, lets see, when I complained that something was terriably wrong with the

water he, himself said " I well test it myself " and he did, what he didn't know

was that I had also contacted NRD who had me also contact the health dept who

did their own testing.

now the well was presented by the real-estate agent as being a new drilled well,

however at the time I first looked at the place, there was a wooden box setting

over the top of it, when I started to left it, the real-estate man objected to

me doing that, saving there was being work done still on getting it all set up.

so anyway, he brought me the results of his water testing, where he did follow

proper prosedure, heating the spout first, ect.

and had it tested at the local water dept. it showed that it was fine, free and

clear, no problems, no contamination,nothing.

but thats not what heath departments testing came back like at all.

than NRD put a camera down in the well, which did have a brand new well cap, it

also had 6 ft. of new well caseing on top, beyond that was the remains of a 60+

year old bang well,not drilled, with horriably rusted out caseing and yes, the

water was contaminated. yes, you can bet I turned him into the commision, what

did they do? nothing.

>

> No. That is not " deliberate indifference " . That is " failure to

> disclose " or " concealment " . Two different legal points.

>

> If you can prove that an agent knew there was a problem with the water

> line, and did not disclose it, that agent would (should) be in big trouble.

>

> If you can prove that a government agency was deliberately indifferent,

> then the State or Federal government would (should) be in big trouble.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 11/7/2010 11:42:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> jeaninem660@... writes:

>

> Sharon, like a real-estate broker/agent that sells a mold ridden home with

> a contaminated water supply for his long time buddy who knew

> these problems where there and the disclosier was nothing but lies apon

> lies. deliberate indifference

>

[Guest guest]

KC, do we know anymore about what went wrong here?

Carl, would you be welling to tell the group why you left ACHEMMIC/GIHN ? it

bothers me, it leaves one to wonder and I dont get a good felling about it all.

I guess mainly it bothers me because I read Shoemakers letter regarding the

deceit over the mold issue regarding the rat study and ACCOEM a long time ago

and it was a strongly worded letter and I just dont understand whats happened.

> >

> > Mold's not to be taken lightly

> >

> > Mc

> > Issue date: 11/4/10 Section:

> >

> >

http://media.www.easternprogress.com/media/storage/paper419/news/2010/11/04/News\

/Molds.Not.To.Be.Taken.Lightly-3953740.shtml

> >

> > If you had told me five years ago that something as common as mold was

going to change the rest of my life, I would have probably laughed at you and

went on with whatever I was doing.

[Guest guest]

What commissioin  ?

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 5:36:06 PM

Subject: [] Re: Mold's not to be taken lightly

 

well, lets see, when I complained that something was terriably wrong with the

water he, himself said " I well test it myself " and he did, what he didn't know

was that I had also contacted NRD who had me also contact the health dept who

did their own testing.

now the well was presented by the real-estate agent as being a new drilled well,

however at the time I first looked at the place, there was a wooden box setting

over the top of it, when I started to left it, the real-estate man objected to

me doing that, saving there was being work done still on getting it all set up.

so anyway, he brought me the results of his water testing, where he did follow

proper prosedure, heating the spout first, ect.

and had it tested at the local water dept. it showed that it was fine, free and

clear, no problems, no contamination,nothing.

but thats not what heath departments testing came back like at all.

than NRD put a camera down in the well, which did have a brand new well cap, it

also had 6 ft. of new well caseing on top, beyond that was the remains of a 60+

year old bang well,not drilled, with horriably rusted out caseing and yes, the

water was contaminated. yes, you can bet I turned him into the commision, what

did they do? nothing.

[Guest guest]

This is shocking. When I was a child I had strep go into rheumatic fever. But

didn't have the rash they mention. Was so weak I needed help getting to the

bathroom, I'm not kidding.I'll never forget how that felt. My parents let me

camp on the couch b/c we had 1 TV. Wanted me in the hospital, but parents wanted

to take care of me.

As sick as I was from mold w balance problems, the weakness was worse then.  I'm

sorry I know many of you got that sick.

Out of school a month,  heart murmur over a year.

Didn't feel like the laid back kid I was any longer. If any suspect this, 

please check it out.

Kathy

KC <tigerpaw2c@...>

Subject: [] Re: Mold's not to be taken lightly

 

Thanks Dr.Thrasher. This one really joked me up. I don't know why, but at

the same time I became very angry.Here is another article I posted back in 07

that I found to be very interesting, along with the term (vegetation). Sounds

like some of our members may be growing there own garden and not realize it.

Heart Valve Infections

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/297/12/1396

[Guest guest]

Again, Dr. Thrasher, how blessed are we to have you among us and among the

cutting edge researchers in this field. You actually LISTEN to folks you have

been impacted. Yikes...the cardiac consequence looms large in my own health.

Initially, my most critical concern was the adverse respiratory and lung

symptoms. I have been diagnosed by a pulmonologist as having COPD. The cardiac

issues become frightening.... Although I've never had heart symptoms in my

life, before these last few years of repeated exposure, I have now had four

abnormal EKGs and suffer daily significant chest pain, so much so that I've had

to go to the ER. Simply feels as if I have a ten-ton rock on my chest,

radiating pain, and an inability to catch my breath at all! Scary! However,

like lots of folks who have been exposed to molds and other toxic elements, I

am in the uneviable position of contiuing to have these life-sidelining symptoms

and referrals to a cardiologist by my doctor but having no way to access the

evaluation or care of a cardiologist, as I lost my insurance when I was

terminated for being " too ill to report for duty. " I'm wondering...both of my

parents died of brain aneurysms. My mother's brain surgeon warned my sister and

me that there can be a genetic component to this vulnerability. I pray I can

avoid some negative synergy that may occur with a possible genetic

predisposition ALONG WITH the toxic exposure that has been linked to an increase

in the occurency of aneurysms. As in so many of the experiences shared here, my

life has been quickly transformed; I've gone from living a full, athletic life,

whose days included full-time work at a job I loved and daily five-mile

speedwalks, aerobic dancing, and yoga to a life spent these days trying to

" detox " every system in my body. I am grateful to be guided by one of the best

doctors in this field, and I pray for the ability and strength to re-create a

meaningful life, albeit one with more physical limitations. I know, I trust,

that brilliant minds like yours will lead us out of this toxic abyss. I

remain...grateful and full of faith! I do admit this outlook falters

occasionally, especially with severe flares of inflammation that seem to knock

my body of its track, but I fight to my optimism. Without faith, what is there?

Good thoughts and gratitude, Sally

>

> Thanks Dr.Thrasher. This one really joked me up. I don't know why, but at the

same time I became very angry.Here is another article I posted back in 07 that I

found to be very interesting, along with the term (vegetation). Sounds like some

of our members may be growing there own garden and not realize it.

>

> Heart Valve Infections

>

> http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/297/12/1396

>

> Heart valves allow one-way flow of blood through the heart. Damaged

> heart valves that do not open completely (called stenosis) or close

> completely (called regurgitation) are susceptible to infection

> because they cause abnormal blood flow through the valve. Infections

> of heart valves (known as endocarditis) are serious and can be life-

> threatening. The most common heart infections are caused by

> bacteria, though fungal infections can also occur. Prosthetic

> (replaced) or repaired heart valves are prone to infection. Growths

> of infectious tissue on heart valves are called vegetations and can

> lead to strokes due to pieces of tissue breaking off (called emboli)

> and blocking blood vessels in the brain. The March 28, 2007, issue

> of JAMA includes an article on infections of prosthetic heart

> valves.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. I now file briefs on my own. This has already cost me well over one

half of one million dollars in legal expenses alone to defend the truth of

my words for the public good.

I was reading this below TRUTH OUT article today that discusses the Obama

Administration being worse about Whistleblower Protection in this country

than the Bush Administration even was.

_t r u t h o u t | After Plame: Obama Makes " Fair Game " of Today's

Whistleblowers_

(http://www.truth-out.org/after-valerie-plame-obama-makes-fair-game-todays-whist\

leblowers64791)

I would have to agree with this and it doesn't help to have people run from

speaking out or remain silent of the politics over this issue. Fear of

retribution by some, permits retribution of others. It makes it harder to

get the truth out of the politics that have harmed us all; and will

continue to harm us until the deceit of ACOEM and the US Chamber over this

issue

is shut down once and for all.

This situation is not just a threat to your physical and financial health.

What is occurring over this issue (with the aid of some who " advocate "

over this issue) is a threat to your freedom of speech and democracy itself

because it encourages silence.

The way I see it, one can be part of the process or one can be part of the

problem. There is no in between when such a terrible wrong has occurred.

Its like half reporting a murder, and then telling all your friends you

are solving the crime.

I like to sleep at night when my head hits the pillow and in my book, it

as simple as that. I have no intention of being silenced, and over the

years I have developed an intolerance for those who CYA over this issue. I

view them as much of the problem as the US Chamber itself. Evil flourishes

when good men standby and do nothing...or worse, glean what they can for

their own benefit while running from directly exposing the truth themselves

- while professing they are telling " the truth about mold " .

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Its not complicated. A deceit is occurring that is harming people. The

deceit needs to be stopped.

Sharon

In a message dated 11/8/2010 3:21:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

advocate_now@... writes:

Sharon, seems like you handle a lot of your own litigation. Is that right?

Do you have an attorney or did you learn--do you file pleadings, motions,

etc. on your own?

Sent from my iPhone

[Guest guest]

Sharon, seems like you handle a lot of your own litigation. Is that right? Do

you have an attorney or did you learn--do you file pleadings, motions, etc. on

your own?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:22 PM, snk1955@... wrote:

No. That is not " deliberate indifference " . That is " failure to

disclose " or " concealment " . Two different legal points.

If you can prove that an agent knew there was a problem with the water

line, and did not disclose it, that agent would (should) be in big trouble.

If you can prove that a government agency was deliberately indifferent,

then the State or Federal government would (should) be in big trouble.

In a message dated 11/7/2010 11:42:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

Sharon, like a real-estate broker/agent that sells a mold ridden home with

a contaminated water supply for his long time buddy who knew

these problems where there and the disclosier was nothing but lies apon

lies. deliberate indifference

[Guest guest]

You've given up so much, I'm sure. You ought to write a book about it. A

ghostwriter or editor can help--it would be as if not more effective than legal

avenues. It's a dirty shame you are being sued!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2010, at 5:42 PM, snk1955@... wrote:

Yes. I now file briefs on my own. This has already cost me well over one

half of one million dollars in legal expenses alone to defend the truth of

my words for the public good.

I was reading this below TRUTH OUT article today that discusses the

[Guest guest]

Not worried about it. I will get there. On the bright side, I have

learned so much from being involved in this issue. Not just about mold or

politics; but human nature. Can't say it has all been pretty and it is utterly

amazing to me what some will do to CYA when their backs are against the

wall. But knowledge is power (and so is documentation). I am a black and

white kinda girl. And when ya get right down to it, this issue is very simple

to solve. Its not about the science and it never has been. Most of the

stuff we discuss on this board has been known for eons - just not applied to

the indoor environment as the location of causation.

1. Ya can't add math to a rat study and profess to prove no one is being

made ill from mold in buildings, while writing it into US health policy -

even if you are the biggest lobbyist in the US.

2. Ya can't use perjury in a legal proceeding to establish false reason of

why someone would want to accuse you of perjury in another legal proceeding

- even if you are an author of the deceptive policy for the US Chamber of

Commerce.

3. Ya can't ignore irrefutable evidence of criminal perjury in a legal

proceeding used to strategically litigate over a matter adversely impacting

public health - even if you are the Chair of the CA Commission on Judicial

Performance and even if the UC has been profiting off of a deceit in science,

one is protecting by ignoring irrefutable evidence of criminal perjury in a

strategic litigation. That's called " aiding and abetting " insurer fraud.

4. Ya can't be in charge of various agencies in the State of California or

in an elected official position, while ignoring the irrefutable evidence of

items 1-3. That's called deliberate indifference used to deny first

amendment rights, in a manner adverse to the health and safety of the American

public by willful suppression of evidence.

5. Ya can't profess to be " helping " the sick and injured while aiding to

keep 1-4 going thru various twists in what you tell different people at

different time, while aiding to curtail the understanding of gov involvement

coming to greater public light, to further your own agenda. That's called

being a pathological liar and a threat to society and democracy.

Seems pretty simple to me.

Sharon

In a message dated 11/9/2010 6:46:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

advocate_now@... writes:

You've given up so much, I'm sure. You ought to write a book about it. A

ghostwriter or editor can help--it would be as if not more effective than

legal avenues. It's a dirty shame you are being sued!