Re: LAMISIL / Itraconazole

[Guest guest]

I talked my doctor into a prescription for Itraconazole and then couldn't take

it. I only took it for a few days and I had symptoms of liver trouble that I

have had before, burning rash and change in stools. I couldn't believe it

affected me so quickly, but I had previous damage to liver from my mycotoxin

exposure, not an antifungal or medication. However I know some people who are

able to take it and apparently benefit but it is one of the harder drugs on the

liver in my reading and experience. I was able to take anti-Candida Difflucan.

That's the only other one I've had experience with.

>

> Do Not Use!

> Oral Itraconazole (SPORANOX) or Terbinafine

> (LAMISIL) for Fungal Nail Infections

>

> http://www.citizen.org/documents%5Cwp701.pdf

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ginloi,

My post was about Itraconazole, and not Lamisil of course, but I don't drink

alcohol of any kind ever, so mine wasn't complicated by alcohol.

I don't drink even on social occasions, just water, milk sometimes, and small

cup of coffee a.m. Since mold exposure I cut out fruit juice too but not fruit

but never drank wine or beer or alcohol ever, so my liver trouble was caused by

water damaged building exposure and flared up with Itraconazole/Sporonax, not

with alcohol added during any day. As I said though I know people who don't

have trouble with it but I did right away.

[Guest guest]

Thank you !

 

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: barb b w <barb1283@...>

Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 9:20:00 AM

Subject: [] Re: LAMISIL / Itraconazole

 

I talked my doctor into a prescription for Itraconazole and then couldn't take

it. I only took it for a few days and I had symptoms of liver trouble that I

have had before, burning rash and change in stools. I couldn't believe it

affected me so quickly, but I had previous damage to liver from my mycotoxin

exposure, not an antifungal or medication. However I know some people who are

able to take it and apparently benefit but it is one of the harder drugs on the

liver in my reading and experience. I was able to take anti-Candida Difflucan.

That's the only other one I've had experience with.

>

> Do Not Use!

> Oral Itraconazole (SPORANOX) or Terbinafine

> (LAMISIL) for Fungal Nail Infections

>

> http://www.citizen. org/documents% 5Cwp701.pdf

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

One doctor I went to insisted I was a drinker because of my liver

enzymes. I, too, never drink alcoholic beverages. Some doctors have

such a wonderful bedside or tableside manner.

Barth

www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

---

bbw> ginloi,

bbw> My post was about Itraconazole, and not Lamisil of course, but I don't

drink alcohol of any kind ever, so mine wasn't complicated by alcohol.

bbw> I don't drink even on social occasions, just water, milk sometimes, and

small cup of coffee a.m. Since mold exposure I cut out fruit juice too but not

fruit but never drank wine or beer or

bbw> alcohol ever, so my liver trouble was caused by water damaged building

exposure and flared up with Itraconazole/Sporonax, not with alcohol added during

any day. As I said though I know people

bbw> who don't have trouble with it but I did right away.

[Guest guest]

One of the problems of Lamisil is that it is marketed as a " vanity

pharmaceutical " and it downplays what might go wrong as a contraindication.

This applies more to young people who are bombarded with drug information on

MTV, the Soaps (which I call the drug operas) and the prime source of

information comes from TV and not good research. It makes the selection

careless. And, when I took Lamisil, once was for the toenail thing, and

strangely, it was after a year's " exposure " and over the summer. It made the

" building illness " look like " sick building syndrome " when you leave the

building and get a margin of recovery. I did not connect the Lamisil at that

time, to my improvement of symptoms until did serious research a year or so

later.

After two more years of exposure and still no treatment, my own research of

susceptibility to aspergillus fumigatus, led to studies on Lamisil and use for

Bone Marrow Transplantees and AIDS patients, and some serious success in keeping

them alive, which I did not know the first year. I knew that cancer and

leukemia were real possibilities for my future, and I did not want that. If

this drug could help them, maybe it could help me.

The second time, it was after definitive testing on classroom materials and a

perfectly matching lung biopsy.

There are many antifungals around. They are not all a " match " for each and

every mold, and it is a big mistake to start taking an antifungal without

bloodwork or biopsies which yeild an " exposure " which is specific and then match

the medicine to that specific toxin. One antifungal will kill some mycotoxins

but not others so it is not smart to take something, just because it is labeled

as an antifungal.

When my own results were in my hand, it still took 8 months to get the

prescription. That was back in 2001. I improved (my sinuses) slowly but

definitely, and I felt like the poison was getting sucked out of my sinuses.

However, it did nothing for the fatigue, in fact it caused more fatigue, but I

was willing to take small steps, in order to win the war. I " cleared the decks "

and concentrated on only the very basics and the course of Lamisil. And, I had

to drop the studies in every doctor's hands, and deal with the " pass the buck "

among all these specialists because of the " off-label " status which it had.

When you are armed with studies, doctors listen a little better. You have given

them " notice " of a treatment for a condition like aspergillosis, which is often

categorized as an " infectious disease " but it is not accorded the diagnosis or

treatment or attention, that it merits.

Anything you take comes with a risk and it is the old " risk-benefit " analysis. I

would hate to see anyone suffer any poor effects, liver failure, or vision

damage, especially after the torture that happens when you are " mold-damaged; "

it would just add insult to injury.

>

> One doctor I went to insisted I was a drinker because of my liver

> enzymes. I, too, never drink alcoholic beverages. Some doctors have

> such a wonderful bedside or tableside manner.

>

> Barth

>

> www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

>

> SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

>

> ---

>

> bbw> ginloi,

>

> bbw> My post was about Itraconazole, and not Lamisil of course, but I don't

drink alcohol of any kind ever, so mine wasn't complicated by alcohol.

>

> bbw> I don't drink even on social occasions, just water, milk sometimes, and

small cup of coffee a.m. Since mold exposure I cut out fruit juice too but not

fruit but never drank wine or beer or

> bbw> alcohol ever, so my liver trouble was caused by water damaged building

exposure and flared up with Itraconazole/Sporonax, not with alcohol added during

any day. As I said though I know people

> bbw> who don't have trouble with it but I did right away.

>

[Guest guest]

As for me, I just simply ran out of time and money and trying anything seemed

reasonable. I had cancer and then learned house was water damaged and alot of

money and time to get to where I accomplished alot but backslide and not having

much money wanted to try an antifungal. Whether it was exact match or not

wouldn't have made my liver accept it any more. I'm just saying I have

experienced liver trouble with that simply and have no experience with any other

in response to someone bringing up Itraconazole. At some point time and money

becomes limited and one can't do everything perfectly. Having symptoms subside

when you take something is a very good indication you have hit the nail on the

head and can shortcut alot of testing so when you have not many options left,

just cutting to try a treatment is reasonable. It wasn't a poke in the dark.

My house was contaminated with aspergillus as main contaminant, verified through

a variety of test on both house, including toxin tests on me. I didn't skip

testing carelessly. If it had been perfect drug for a pathogen I had, my liver

still couldn't have handled it.

>

> One of the problems of Lamisil is that it is marketed as a " vanity

pharmaceutical " and it downplays what might go wrong as a contraindication.

This applies more to young people who are bombarded with drug information on

MTV, the Soaps (which I call the drug operas) and the prime source of

information comes from TV and not good research. It makes the selection

careless. And, when I took Lamisil, once was for the toenail thing, and

strangely, it was after a year's " exposure " and over the summer. It made the

" building illness " look like " sick building syndrome " when you leave the

building and get a margin of recovery. I did not connect the Lamisil at that

time, to my improvement of symptoms until did serious research a year or so

later.

>

> After two more years of exposure and still no treatment, my own research of

susceptibility to aspergillus fumigatus, led to studies on Lamisil and use for

Bone Marrow Transplantees and AIDS patients, and some serious success in keeping

them alive, which I did not know the first year. I knew that cancer and

leukemia were real possibilities for my future, and I did not want that. If

this drug could help them, maybe it could help me.

>

> The second time, it was after definitive testing on classroom materials and a

perfectly matching lung biopsy.

>

> There are many antifungals around. They are not all a " match " for each and

every mold, and it is a big mistake to start taking an antifungal without

bloodwork or biopsies which yeild an " exposure " which is specific and then match

the medicine to that specific toxin. One antifungal will kill some mycotoxins

but not others so it is not smart to take something, just because it is labeled

as an antifungal.

>

> When my own results were in my hand, it still took 8 months to get the

prescription. That was back in 2001. I improved (my sinuses) slowly but

definitely, and I felt like the poison was getting sucked out of my sinuses.

However, it did nothing for the fatigue, in fact it caused more fatigue, but I

was willing to take small steps, in order to win the war. I " cleared the decks "

and concentrated on only the very basics and the course of Lamisil. And, I had

to drop the studies in every doctor's hands, and deal with the " pass the buck "

among all these specialists because of the " off-label " status which it had.

>

> When you are armed with studies, doctors listen a little better. You have

given them " notice " of a treatment for a condition like aspergillosis, which is

often categorized as an " infectious disease " but it is not accorded the

diagnosis or treatment or attention, that it merits.

>

> Anything you take comes with a risk and it is the old " risk-benefit " analysis.

I would hate to see anyone suffer any poor effects, liver failure, or vision

damage, especially after the torture that happens when you are " mold-damaged; "

it would just add insult to injury.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had a completely different reaction from Diflucan, after being on 100 mgs for

a week it caused allot of stress in my liver to point where it hurt so I stopped

taking it. I was on Sporanox for 2 months and didnt have any problems but had to

stop when due to the cost. Im currently taking 250 mgs of Lamisil once a day and

am not having any problems with it as of yet (knock on wood).

>

> I talked my doctor into a prescription for Itraconazole and then couldn't take

it. I only took it for a few days and I had symptoms of liver trouble that I

have had before, burning rash and change in stools. I couldn't believe it

affected me so quickly, but I had previous damage to liver from my mycotoxin

exposure, not an antifungal or medication. However I know some people who are

able to take it and apparently benefit but it is one of the harder drugs on the

liver in my reading and experience. I was able to take anti-Candida Difflucan.

That's the only other one I've had experience with.

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know the effects of antifungals in person who have had hepatitis ??

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: Tug <tug_slug@...>

Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 5:34:13 PM

Subject: [] Re: LAMISIL / Itraconazole

 

I had a completely different reaction from Diflucan, after being on 100 mgs for

a week it caused allot of stress in my liver to point where it hurt so I stopped

taking it. I was on Sporanox for 2 months and didnt have any problems but had to

stop when due to the cost. Im currently taking 250 mgs of Lamisil once a day and

am not having any problems with it as of yet (knock on wood).

>

> I talked my doctor into a prescription for Itraconazole and then couldn't take

it. I only took it for a few days and I had symptoms of liver trouble that I

have had before, burning rash and change in stools. I couldn't believe it

affected me so quickly, but I had previous damage to liver from my mycotoxin

exposure, not an antifungal or medication. However I know some people who are

able to take it and apparently benefit but it is one of the harder drugs on the

liver in my reading and experience. I was able to take anti-Candida Difflucan.

That's the only other one I've had experience with.

[Guest guest]

Is there a protocol or method to matching antifungals with molds? What works

with what. I don't think my doctor is aware of this.Thanks,Sam

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, ginloi <ginloi@...> wrote

There are many antifungals around. They are not all a " match " for each and

every mold, and it is a big mistake to start taking an antifungal without

bloodwork or biopsies which yeild an " exposure " which is specific and then match

the medicine to that specific toxin. One antifungal will kill some mycotoxins

but not others so it is not smart to take something, just because it is labeled

as an antifungal.