Re: Hit at Walmart

[Guest guest]

when I first got sick I could smell the mold coming out of the vents in

these big stores. The hits were debilitating. Today I am very careful and

wear a face mask

In a message dated 10/15/2010 2:44:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

listspub@... writes:

This has happened several times now. Metal building. Some roof leaks but

manager claims fised within days and the roofing et all is metal..looks metal

to me.

First hit.. stadium chair cushion.. I figured it was one that someone

brought back.

[Guest guest]

Also consider that clothing stores are a witches brew of

chemicals from the new clothing, the sizing agent, fresh dyes,

etc. I have also smelled at " musty-like " smell but it goes away

with 1-2 washings.

The HVAC system, especially the A/C in the humid climate where

you are, could be generating true " musty " odors from mold and

bacteria on the coils and inside the ducting. It could also be

drawing in the odors from the outside air, most commercial units

are required to include some outside air.

The VOCs from mold and bacteria and other " filth " is in the same

family of chemicals (VOCs), with overlap, as other VOCs on

clothing, dyes, cleaning products, personal care products. Which

makes sorting out the souce very difficult.

Identifying odors is also dicey. Assumptions can influence how

we experience and identify. Had a client years ago where all

three of us agreed there was an undesirable odor in one room.

But we disagreed on what it was. One said it was mold, another

hand lotion, and another formaldehyde. !

Even lab testing for the chemical(s) could be indecisive if the

VOC was one common to both.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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This has happened several times now. Metal building. Some roof leaks

but manager claims fised within days and the roofing et all is

metal..looks metal to me.

First hit.. stadium chair cushion.. I figured it was one that someone

brought back. I smelled a wiff of mustiness and stupidly put it up to my

nose to smell it.. bad idea. I recovered ok.. think I may have had

tachycardia, some breathing issues.

Thinking isolated incident. Pick out a chair on another isle and it smells

fine (of chemicals but not " must " ).

Go to boys sock isle.. all plastic wrapped as far as I can tell. But I can

smell the " musty " smell.. where is this coming from? I cant see anything

that would be the source. The bags of socks in plastic smell fine so I get a

few. Walk over a few isles to sweat pants and jeans.. smell like chemicals

nto musty.. get those.

there are two stores in this town.. kmart and walmart.. i choose walmart

because kmart has stained ceiling tiles all along one section of the store)

Last night.. halloween costumes.. one that my daugher likes is an opned

package.. so a return I would suspect or opened in the store. I do not

smell anything other than chemicals in this section.. nothing to make me

think to be concerned.. I get a whiff and the musty smell is there.. again..

dont believe my nose and ptu it right up to my nose and take a whiff..

bad mistake,,

I almost had to go to hospital last night. breathing issues, feeling of

swellling in my throat like there was a coating of something (not

mucous) causing irritation.. I drank tons of water and it helps. I find a

nasal spray with saline and some xylitol and spray my nose.. blow.. there

is blood. my sinuses and brain are inflammed but diff from in m old

house.. but similar.. brain foggy, ick..worse part was the breating.. I

couldnt wash out my lungs.

Same night.. we walked down the boys sock isle.. i smell that musty smell

again.. only that isle and nothing it seemed could be the source.. then i

see a pile of cargo pants that seem to be the only thing not wrapped in

plastic..

I just called the manager.. they are going to check it out and call me

back.. I told him I almost ended up in hospital and some of us are very

sensistive to mold, mildew, etc.. and it can be dangerous. He seemed

concerned.. so we shall see.. they do not store very much at all in the

store.. goes from truck directly out to floor???

I warned him about moist areas.. but seemingly they do not store.. I

wonder if there is something going in in the return area. But I think that

stuff goes out quicly back to the isle.

I cannot see how one person returned this stuff from teh same house but

maybe that possible..??

Any advice on what to do next time.. Its this store or kmart with the

obvious water damage.. maybe it still better???

Also what the heck is in musty smelling stuff that causes such a reaction?

Wondering if I am also unmasking.. hope so.. at least that will make

some sense.

Thanks..

Robin

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[Guest guest]

Chip: based upon the observations on the moisture content of the condo, I doubt

that interior surface remediation will correct the problem. The moisture

penetration must be stopped first. Do you agree?

Re: [] Hit at Walmart

when I first got sick I could smell the mold coming out of the vents in

these big stores. The hits were debilitating. Today I am very careful and

wear a face mask

In a message dated 10/15/2010 2:44:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

listspub@... writes:

This has happened several times now. Metal building. Some roof leaks but

manager claims fised within days and the roofing et all is metal..looks metal

to me.

First hit.. stadium chair cushion.. I figured it was one that someone

brought back.

[Guest guest]

Whatever it was, it gave me an experience I dont want to repeat. I didnt smell

it throughout the building.. only associated with the two items I stupidly put

to my nose and smelled and the isle where the boys socks and underwear are..

this one might smell diff than the two I put to my nose.. and maybe because

there was nothing to put to my nose to further investigate or maybe becasue this

was a diff voc stew.

The store gets to all of us.. red eyes, woozy or irritated after a while. This I

can tell is chemicals. I dont undetstand how people work there. I dont feel this

horrible I cant breath well, inflammation in the brain go to the the hospital

feeling though if not putting these items to my nose.. I need to trust my inital

wiff and walk away. These smelled like old life jackets that have been left out

too long to the elements. Smelled like water or humidity damage. I smelled other

costumes and they smelled like chemicals.

Good point about HVAC and nothing I can do about that other than wash up

afterward if residual effects or find another store.. if there is one.

Robin

>

> Also consider that clothing stores are a witches brew of

> chemicals from the new clothing, the sizing agent, fresh dyes,

> etc. I have also smelled at " musty-like " smell but it goes away

> with 1-2 washings.

>

> >

[Guest guest]

I smelled dust comeing out of my vents at mold home. I dont know if dust just

smells or there as more to it. HVAC guy said they were clean. ?? Im sorry you

have to wear a mask. I hope this can die down for you. Also hoping this doesnt

get worse for me..

Robin

>

> when I first got sick I could smell the mold coming out of the vents in

> these big stores. The hits were debilitating. Today I am very careful and

> wear a face mask

>

>

[Guest guest]

I generally feel mildly ill in Walmart, in such a way that I hate shopping there

and refuse to go in. Send my partner in. But generally, what do you get there

you can't get elsewhere? The H.E.B. here is really good. Lowes, I always find to

be fine.

> >

> > Also consider that clothing stores are a witches brew of

> > chemicals from the new clothing, the sizing agent, fresh dyes,

> > etc. I have also smelled at " musty-like " smell but it goes away

> > with 1-2 washings.

> >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Other items didnt smell this way.. I smelled other costumes, same company and

didnt have this smell. this one had been opened and possibly returned.. other

open items in the store.. sweat pants for ex did not have this smell..

Robin

>

> Whatever it was, it gave me an experience I dont want to repeat. I didnt smell

it throughout the building.. only associated with the two items I stupidly put

to my nose and smelled and the isle where the boys socks and underwear are..

this one might smell diff than the two I put to my nose.. and maybe because

there was nothing to put to my nose to further investigate or maybe becasue this

was a diff voc stew.

>

> The store gets to all of us.. red eyes, woozy or irritated after a while. This

I can tell is chemicals. I dont undetstand how people work there. I dont feel

this horrible I cant breath well, inflammation in the brain go to the the

hospital feeling though if not putting these items to my nose.. I need to trust

my inital wiff

[Guest guest]

this is very odd you mention the shocking and newly remodeled floors.. this is

true for this walmart.. and I kept getting shocked.. shocking is suppsed to have

something to do with biotoxin illness but i have not been shocked anywhere else

but there.. how very odd.

the superstores are so overwhelming with the smells, lights emfs.. so few

options here though. until they get a publix in, there is only walmart and winn

dixie and the winn dixie has obvious wter damage (maybe its safer than walmart

dispite that fact).

Robin

>

> I recently went their and had to drag both of my legs out of the store. 

> Neurological problems followed by a great exhaxerbation in pain.  Both legs,

> started with left ,proceeded to both.  Then a massive headache by the time I

got

> home.  There is also another problem with these newly floor remoldled stores

I

> have noticed they are improperly grounded.  I have walked into 2 of these

> (building not new) floors, display mechandise where redone.   New freezers

put

> in and pharmacies moved.  Something is terribly wrong as I am shocked the

whole

> time I am in there, mind you not a long time exept for this last time and I

> deeply regret it.  

>

[Guest guest]

I went down at my daughters house, a few days ago, weird one, lost all strenght

and ability to move for quite a while, no coughing reaction in the lungs this

time, just went down, scary, finally crawed my way to the couch and a open

window and slowly regained strenght. my daughter gave my ice tea, was really

thirsty, and jellie on toast, it seemed to help some.

was by the garden and around that green mold that likes to grow on brick outside

when I started felling bad, I've thought that kind gets to me before, could have

been a few orther things adding to it, cloths dryer running,ect.

last time that happened it was followed by spasms and twitches from the waist

down, this time just the felling like I got hit from a mac truck afterwards.

tottal loss of balance, no air getting to the brain I guess,or something getting

to the brain. weird though that my heart wasn't raceing or anything , just

comple loss of body strenght and balance. kind of scary not knowing when or

where something well bring you down this way. it seemed to me to be like a

seizure type effect.

>

> I recently went their and had to drag both of my legs out of the store. 

> Neurological problems followed by a great exhaxerbation in pain.  Both legs,

> started with left ,proceeded to both.  Then a massive headache by the time I

got

> home.  There is also another problem with these newly floor remoldled stores

I

> have noticed they are improperly grounded.  I have walked into 2 of these

> (building not new) floors, display mechandise where redone.   New freezers

put

> in and pharmacies moved.  Something is terribly wrong as I am shocked the

whole

> time I am in there, mind you not a long time exept for this last time and I

> deeply regret it.  

>

[Guest guest]

sometimes at the grocery store I shock everything I touch.

>

> this is very odd you mention the shocking and newly remodeled floors.. this is

true for this walmart.. and I kept getting shocked.. shocking is suppsed to have

something to do with biotoxin illness but i have not been shocked anywhere else

but there.. how very odd.

>

> the superstores are so overwhelming with the smells, lights emfs.. so few

options here though. until they get a publix in, there is only walmart and winn

dixie and the winn dixie has obvious wter damage (maybe its safer than walmart

dispite that fact).

>

> Robin

>

>

[Guest guest]

I get the leg wobblies in some stores. I thought it was due to the cleaners not

mold even though mold makes me wobbly too.

> >

> > I recently went their and had to drag both of my legs out of the store. 

> > Neurological problems followed by a great exhaxerbation in pain.  Both

legs,

> > started with left ,proceeded to both.  Then a massive headache by the time

I got

> > home.  There is also another problem with these newly floor remoldled

stores I

> > have noticed they are improperly grounded.  I have walked into 2 of these

> > (building not new) floors, display mechandise where redone.   New freezers

put

> > in and pharmacies moved.  Something is terribly wrong as I am shocked the

whole

> > time I am in there, mind you not a long time exept for this last time and I

> > deeply regret it.  

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ive had breathing issues and elevated bp and pulse since i sniffed the costume.

i feel very certain it was isolated to certain items and not of the same brand

or same item. they are storing returns in a bad place. i am giving in and taking

a diflucan left over from when takin abx round and see what happens. its fungal

or reactive airways to some water associated damage or chemicals.

i dont know how to address lungs.. any ideas? what kind of mask? i am smelling

chemicals like made now since we moved.

ive herd through the grapevine that the stuff growing on buildings is an algae

and packs a load... possibly cyanobacteria.

thank you

robin

>

>

> I have similar problems in WalMart.What bothers me the most is my eyesight.

> It's not really blurry but I can't focus well even if I put my reading

> glasses on. I always thought it was the lighting. I rarely go in since I hate

> the parking and the long lines! I don't have any problem in Target expect

> when I pass the detergent isle so now I take the long way around to the

> pharmacy. No problems in Lowes or Home Depot.

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes, if I walk into a store and they are cleaning the floors, I usually have to

walk right back out while I still can, pinesol just wipes me out.

>

> I get the leg wobblies in some stores. I thought it was due to the cleaners

not mold even though mold makes me wobbly too.

>