Re: Sheet Rock Alternative

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I assume you own the house.  Some MCSrs put block walls in the interior of

their

homes and paint the block with no- or low VOC paint.  One person told me the

only wood in their home is in the door frames to the rooms. 

....Corky

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From: safersmilesdentallab safersmilesdentallab@...

 

I am looking to remediate my bedroom & am sensitive to sheetrock.... Any

suggestions are greatly appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

I'd like to here from all of you with experience. but Mike Holmes talks about

concrete drywall.

He uses something called thinset & some kind of plastic to make sure there's a

moisture barrier.

http://www.onlinetips.org/sheetrock-greenboard-alternative

  Hardibacker

board and Durock

are cement board products manufactured by different companies. There

are minor differences; Durock is made with glass fibers

NO>Hardibacker

is made with wood fibers. Hardibacker 500 tile is mainly a wood fiber

(cellulose), sand and cement composite panel. Due to it's organic

composition it shouldn’t be used in a steam shower area.

Durock and Wonderboard are basically inorganic sand and concrete

boards reinforced with fiberglass mesh on the surfaces. Denshield is

acrylic coated glass mat faced gypsum board, basically just waterproofed

gypsum, and isn’t preferable in a wet shower area.

Kathy

From: corky lux <corkylux1@...>

Subject: Re: [] Sheet Rock Alternative

Hi ,

I assume you own the house.  Some MCSrs put block walls in the interior of

their

homes and paint the block with no- or low VOC paint.  One person told me the

only wood in their home is in the door frames to the rooms. 

....Corky

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Do you mean those cement bricks?

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> Hi ,

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> I assume you own the house.  Some MCSrs put block walls in the interior of

their

> homes and paint the block with no- or low VOC paint.  One person told me the

> only wood in their home is in the door frames to the rooms. 

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> ...Corky

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> From: safersmilesdentallab safersmilesdentallab@...

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> I am looking to remediate my bedroom & am sensitive to sheetrock.... Any

> suggestions are greatly appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Well that explains why I don't tolerate Hardibacker. Thanks. I'll look into

Durock & Wonderboard.

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> I'd like to here from all of you with experience. but Mike Holmes talks about

concrete drywall.

> He uses something called thinset & some kind of plastic to make sure there's a

moisture barrier.

>

>

> http://www.onlinetips.org/sheetrock-greenboard-alternative

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>   Hardibacker

> board and Durock

> are cement board products manufactured by different companies. There

> are minor differences; Durock is made with glass fibers

>

> NO>Hardibacker

> is made with wood fibers. Hardibacker 500 tile is mainly a wood fiber

> (cellulose), sand and cement composite panel. Due to it's organic

> composition it shouldn’t be used in a steam shower area.

>

>

>

> Durock and Wonderboard are basically inorganic sand and concrete

> boards reinforced with fiberglass mesh on the surfaces. Denshield is

> acrylic coated glass mat faced gypsum board, basically just waterproofed

> gypsum, and isn’t preferable in a wet shower area.

> Kathy

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> From: corky lux <corkylux1@...>

> Subject: Re: [] Sheet Rock Alternative

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>

> Hi ,

>

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> I assume you own the house.  Some MCSrs put block walls in the interior of

their

>

> homes and paint the block with no- or low VOC paint.  One person told me the

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> only wood in their home is in the door frames to the rooms. 

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> ...Corky

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[Guest guest]

There's something called wonderboard which is waterproof cement " sheetrock " that

they put into bathrooms mostly. (similar to the cement blocks someone suggested

which is also a great idea.) But I had to replace a wall in my kitchen due to

mold and I used it there, plus I DID NOT use any spackle or sealants! I taped

the edges with duct tape. No offgassing necessary at all.

See if this works for you.

Surella

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> Hi ,

>

> I assume you own the house.  Some MCSrs put block walls in the interior of

their

> homes and paint the block with no- or low VOC paint.  One person told me the

> only wood in their home is in the door frames to the rooms. 

>

> ...Corky

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>

>

> ________________________________

> From: safersmilesdentallab safersmilesdentallab@...

>  

>

> I am looking to remediate my bedroom & am sensitive to sheetrock.... Any

> suggestions are greatly appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Georgia Pacific makes a substitute sheetrock that is plaster and glass mesh,

will not feed mold, about double the price of sheetrock, but a great product.

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> Hi all,

> I am looking to remediate my bedroom & am sensitive to sheetrock... & paper

products. Someone in MCS group told me that she reacted terribly to

formaldehyde-free Pure Bond plywood. Someone suggested Dragonboard (a magnesium

board) but it seems it's banned in CA. CA is very strict about toxicity laws.

I'm at a loss as to what to put on my walls. I don't even tolerate fresh wood

but I'm thinking that's my only option & that it will outgas eventually. I won't

be using that room for at least another year...longer if it isn't tolerable of

course. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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[Guest guest]

Do you by chance know name of product?

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> Georgia Pacific makes a substitute sheetrock that is plaster and glass mesh,

will not feed mold, about double the price of sheetrock, but a great product.

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[Guest guest]

, What do you mean when you say you react to 'fresh wood'? Do you mean

finished in some way or actually plain, unfinished wood causes you problems? Are

you referring to plywood, or solid wood? Thanks

>

> Hi all,

> I am looking to remediate my bedroom & am sensitive to sheetrock... & paper

products. Someone in MCS group told me that she reacted terribly to

formaldehyde-free Pure Bond plywood. Someone suggested Dragonboard (a magnesium

board) but it seems it's banned in CA. CA is very strict about toxicity laws.

I'm at a loss as to what to put on my walls. I don't even tolerate fresh wood

but I'm thinking that's my only option & that it will outgas eventually. I won't

be using that room for at least another year...longer if it isn't tolerable of

course. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thank you.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fresh unfinished wood too. I react to just about everything that hasn't

outgassed for long enough. It's scary & draining as all heck the way I have to

live. I'm shot from all this.I got a sample of Plyboo, a plywood made of bamboo

but has formaldehyde (low levels) I seem fine with it. Go figure. Got a sample

of Durock cement board & it's AWFUL! Talked to someone w/ MCS today that said

even " normal " people find cement board toxic. Looked at the MSDS for Wonderboard

& it has less ingredients. It's a real small town & it will probably have to be

shipped if I use it. I'm already starving to save money for all this.

Thanks to everyone for info.

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> > Hi all,

> > I am looking to remediate my bedroom & am sensitive to sheetrock... & paper

products. Someone in MCS group told me that she reacted terribly to

formaldehyde-free Pure Bond plywood. Someone suggested Dragonboard (a magnesium

board) but it seems it's banned in CA. CA is very strict about toxicity laws.

I'm at a loss as to what to put on my walls. I don't even tolerate fresh wood

but I'm thinking that's my only option & that it will outgas eventually. I won't

be using that room for at least another year...longer if it isn't tolerable of

course. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thank you.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I just started looking into paperless wallboard  and came across this link at

website called Safer Building. I'd be intereted if anyone has worked with some

of these products. I hope they are a helpful possibility. They mention in

particular two paperless dry wall companies.  DensArmor and DensShield. I'e

heard alot of good things about Murco for wall mud. But am not familiar with the

wall boards mentioned. " http://tinyurl.com/2wet4wh "

Any thoughts?Thanks,Sam

Got a sample of Durock cement board & it's AWFUL! Talked to someone w/ MCS today

that said even " normal " people find cement board toxic. Looked at the MSDS for

Wonderboard & it has less ingredients. It's a real small town & it will probably

have to be shipped if I use it. I'm already starving to save money for all this.

[Guest guest]

Sam,

Both are traditional sheetrock except for the surface material. If you look at

ordinary you see a gray surface of cardboard. When damp the cardboard provides a

great environment for growing a variety of molds. Stachy is of concern because

it loves damp cardboard above most other foods sources. It also tends to stay

damp inside a wall and behind baseboards longer which is also what Stachy needs.

DensArmor and DensShield replaced the cardboard surface with fiberglass. Mold

can't eat fiberglass.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

Re: [] Re: Sheet Rock Alternative

Hi,

I just started looking into paperless wallboard  and came across this link at

website called Safer Building. I'd be intereted if anyone has worked with some

of these products. I hope they are a helpful possibility. They mention in

particular two paperless dry wall companies.  DensArmor and DensShield. I'e

heard alot of good things about Murco for wall mud. But am not familiar with the

wall boards mentioned. " http://tinyurl.com/2wet4wh "

Any thoughts?Thanks,Sam

Got a sample of Durock cement board & it's AWFUL! Talked to someone w/ MCS today

that said even " normal " people find cement board toxic. Looked at the MSDS for

Wonderboard & it has less ingredients. It's a real small town & it will probably

have to be shipped if I use it. I'm already starving to save money for all this.

[Guest guest]

Sam,

Both are traditional sheetrock except for the surface material. If you look at

ordinary you see a gray surface of cardboard. When damp the cardboard provides a

great environment for growing a variety of molds. Stachy is of concern because

it loves damp cardboard above most other foods sources. It also tends to stay

damp inside a wall and behind baseboards longer which is also what Stachy needs.

DensArmor and DensShield replaced the cardboard surface with fiberglass. Mold

can't eat fiberglass.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

Re: [] Re: Sheet Rock Alternative

Hi,

I just started looking into paperless wallboard  and came across this link at

website called Safer Building. I'd be intereted if anyone has worked with some

of these products. I hope they are a helpful possibility. They mention in

particular two paperless dry wall companies.  DensArmor and DensShield. I'e

heard alot of good things about Murco for wall mud. But am not familiar with the

wall boards mentioned. " http://tinyurl.com/2wet4wh "

Any thoughts?Thanks,Sam

Got a sample of Durock cement board & it's AWFUL! Talked to someone w/ MCS today

that said even " normal " people find cement board toxic. Looked at the MSDS for

Wonderboard & it has less ingredients. It's a real small town & it will probably

have to be shipped if I use it. I'm already starving to save money for all this.

[Guest guest]

Yes I used the Dens armour when I built ny house, plaster and glass matte, you

use the mesh tape on it' no paper

karen

>

> Got a sample of Durock cement board & it's AWFUL! Talked to someone w/ MCS

today that said even " normal " people find cement board toxic. Looked at the MSDS

for Wonderboard & it has less ingredients. It's a real small town & it will

probably have to be shipped if I use it. I'm already starving to save money for

all this.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Carl,

Thanks for the feedback. Do you think with fiberglas instead of cardboard that

DensArmour/Denshield would be preferable to regular wallboard? I saw on the link

that it is a little harder to work with. I wonder if the fiberglas would also

off-gas more formaldehyde than regular. I seem to remember that there is

formaldehyde in fiberglas. Also, with sanding would it be a problem with a fine

dust of fiberglas getting into the air. I know its not good for the lungs at

all. 

I there a safer wallboard in your experience for people with chemical

sensitivities?

Many thanks,Sam

Sam,

Both are traditional sheetrock except for the surface material. If you look at

ordinary you see a gray surface of cardboard. When damp the cardboard provides a

great environment for growing a variety of molds. Stachy is of concern because

it loves damp cardboard above most other foods sources. It also tends to stay

damp inside a wall and behind baseboards longer which is also what Stachy needs.

DensArmor and DensShield replaced the cardboard surface with fiberglass. Mold

can't eat fiberglass.

[Guest guest]

Caron,

Thanks very much. Was there any problem with off-gassing or the fiberglas dust?

Is it harder to work with than regular wallboard?Thanks again,Sam 

Yes I used the Dens armour when I built ny house, plaster and glass matte, you

use the mesh tape on it' no paper

karen

[Guest guest]

Was extremly heavy, and seemed to chip easier, besides that I saw no difference,

you use the light weight spackle. I was never able to live in the house because

the contractor used moldy wood, although I had 2 stop work orders and a contract

specifying that all moldy wood be eliminated and taken off the property. Then

for good measure I brought in some items that cross contaminated everything. So

I never got to really test the sheetrock, but think if I had lived in the house,

the insulation and condensation would probably have gotten to me anyway, as I

have up-regulated past the point of any normal living situation. But anythink

has to be better than mold chow sheetrock

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> Yes I used the Dens armour when I built ny house, plaster and glass matte, you

use the mesh tape on it' no paper

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> karen

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[Guest guest]

I'm very sorry to hear about that and that after all that you were not

even able to live indoors. It is insane that they just wouldn't stop working

when you wanted them to. It's your damn house after all. Who are they working

for!!!God Bless,Sam

Was extremly heavy, and seemed to chip easier, besides that I saw no difference,

you use the light weight spackle. 

[Guest guest]

Sam,

Good questions. It is preferable for locations expected to get

damp, like showers, bathrooms, kitchens, utility rooms, etc. The

extra cost may not be justified in other interior walls which are not

usually subjected to dampness.

I would not expect more Formaldehyde outgassing from the

fiberglass. The connection of formaldehyde and fiberglass is with

insulation. It is the glues (binding agents) used to hold the fibers

in the shape of a batt that is the source of the formaldehyde, not

the fiberglass itself. I don't know about what holds the fiberglass

cloth to the drywall surface. Something to check on.

I would be as worried about the fine dust from any sheetrock as I

would be from the fiberglass. I always specify that sheetrock be

cut or sawed either outside or in containment with air flow control

plus HEPA vacuuming of surfaces afterwards.

To me the addition of fiberglass to the fine dust doesn't change

the fact that drywall dust of any kind shouldn't be breathed and

shouldn't be allowed to cross-contaminate the rest of the house.

I don't know of alternatives which are better. ALL products have

good points and bad points. What we need to know, which your

questions are seeking, is what they are so products can be

appropriately matched with our individual needs.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Carl,

Thanks for the feedback. Do you think with fiberglas instead of

cardboard that DensArmour/Denshield would be preferable to regular

wallboard? I saw on the link that it is a little harder to work with. I

wonder if the fiberglas would also off-gas more formaldehyde than

regular. I seem to remember that there is formaldehyde in fiberglas.

Also, with sanding would it be a problem with a fine dust of fiberglas

getting into the air. I know its not good for the lungs at all.

I there a safer wallboard in your experience for people with chemical

sensitivities?

Many thanks,Sam

Sam,

Both are traditional sheetrock except for the surface material. If you look

at ordinary you see a gray surface of cardboard. When damp the

cardboard provides a great environment for growing a variety of molds.

Stachy is of concern because it loves damp cardboard above most other

foods sources. It also tends to stay damp inside a wall and behind

baseboards longer which is also what Stachy needs.

DensArmor and DensShield replaced the cardboard surface with

fiberglass. Mold can't eat fiberglass.

[Guest guest]

Great feedback Carl and as always your response are so appreciated. I have one

more question if it's ok. Does regular wallboard off-gas formaldehyde? If so,

what do you usually recommend for your sensitive clients to do? The only product

that I've heard about that makes claims to minimizing off-gas is the AFM

safeseal. If a person doesn't have a problem with it, have you seen that it

indeed does minimize chems like formaldehde?Thanks again,Sam

I would not expect more Formaldehyde outgassing from the

fiberglass. 

[Guest guest]

Sam,

First the sheetrock/drywall and then the AFM.

I believe there is some slight offgassing of formaldehyde from

sheetrock. If I remember right the CPSC and the FL Dept of

Health in conjuction with Univ of Texas (I hope I got the right

Univ) did extensive testing on Chinese Drywall and non-Chinese

Drywall. Trace formaldehyde was found. But it would be a

mikstake to be more worried about formaldehyde and not the

other chems, and certainly not more worried than about the dust

from cutting and from sanding the joint compound.

To me there is a undue focus on *only* formaldehyde similar to

the undue focus on *only* mold which Dr Thrasher has discussed

repeatedly and recently.

I remember when concerns about formadehyde in carpet first

came to the fore over 20 years ago. When researchers

investigated they discovered a " witches brew " of over 20

chemicals, many of greater concern than formaldehyde.

Formaldehyde was the most likely and usually of the highest level

but acting only on it is like freaking out over only the rattlesnake

while ignoring the other hundred " snakes on a plane. "

Formaldehye has become an " indicator " chemical, meaning if it is

present then most likely a lot of others are also. Very similar to

verifying that drinking water is safe only from testing for e-coli. It,

too, is the most likely to be there and is easiest to detect but it

isn't the *only* concern. Indicators are red flags for it and other

concerns.

As for AFM or any other sealant it is important to not just seal the

front of the drywall, leaving the back and edges untreated. ANY

surface will outgas. So front, back and all 4 edges must be

sealed or you might as well not seal any of it. Also, it often takes

2-4 coats of sealant before the outgassing is stopped rather than

slowed down. One coat may give you and 80% or even 90%

reduction. The next coat will theoretically give 90% of the

remainder. The third perhaps 90% of that little bit. Resulting in

maybe 97% to 99% blockage. Yes, that's a lot but it isn't the

absolute level we want and assume we are getting.

I'd evaluate sheetrock/drywall on a number of characteristics and

risks, not just formaldehyde and ability to grow mold or not.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Great feedback Carl and as always your response are so appreciated. I

have one more question if it's ok. Does regular wallboard off-gas

formaldehyde? If so, what do you usually recommend for your sensitive

clients to do? The only product that I've heard about that makes claims

to minimizing off-gas is the AFM safeseal. If a person doesn't have a

problem with it, have you seen that it indeed does minimize chems like

formaldehde?Thanks again,Sam

I would not expect more Formaldehyde outgassing from the

fiberglass.

[Guest guest]

" I'd evaluate sheetrock/drywall on a number of characteristics and 

risks, not just formaldehyde and ability to grow mold or not. "

With this in mind Carl. Is there a brand or type of sheet rock that you have

found to be preferable?Many thanks for this information and your time.God

Bless,Sam

[Guest guest]

Also, be careful of the Chinese Dry wall and hydrogen sulfide. Hooper has

published a paper on the presence of sulfur fixing bacteria in Chinese dry wall.

They are present along with the iron needed for the production of reduced sulfur

compounds.

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" I'd evaluate sheetrock/drywall on a number of characteristics and

risks, not just formaldehyde and ability to grow mold or not. "

With this in mind Carl. Is there a brand or type of sheet rock that you have

found to be preferable?Many thanks for this information and your time.God

Bless,Sam

[Guest guest]

Thanks soooo much!!!

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[] Re: Sheet Rock Alternative

Yes I used the Dens armour when I built ny house, plaster and glass matte, you

use the mesh tape on it' no paper

karen

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> Got a sample of Durock cement board & it's AWFUL! Talked to someone w/ MCS

today that said even " normal " people find cement board toxic. Looked at the MSDS

for Wonderboard & it has less ingredients. It's a real small town & it will

probably have to be shipped if I use it. I'm already starving to save money for

all this.

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