Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Ok so seems ive definately cross contaminated as there is a spot next to the heater where i always sit that i now get symptoms at, mainly my sinuses are irritated, itchy crawling skin, sore tonsils, itchy eues. So if contaminated houses can be remidiated cant this one? There is no mould actually growing. Why do people flee from house to house when remdiation is possible. Wouldnt it be much easier to remediate a cross contaminated house? There was some black mould growing on the blinds here and on the bathroom ceiling. There may be some bacteria under the stove as it probably hasnt beem cleaned for years, there was also mould growing in a teapot. One these are all gone cant we remedoate or is it just not possible for the very sensitive? How is remediation done, ozone, fogging sprays?? There is a company here in australia that claim to be able to eradicate mould with a fogging spray that is harmless. A local distributer gave me a free sample and the msds and i do not seem to react to it. I think its also known as this: http://www.21stglobal.com/scientific.htm Decon-Shield comes in concentrate used as hyper-wetting hog or spray, destroys all BW organisms including weapons grade anthrax, and all other single celled organisms such as Golden Staph, Klebsiella, fungi, and viruses, etc., via a minute positive charge They charge about 180 to do a house and say they have a 99% success rate. Though of course im not a routine case.. There is also and ausyralian company who use tea tree oil for hvacs, thoughts? We dont have air con but was thinking of using the tea tree oil when i buy a used car just to be on the safe side. http://www.gelair.com.au/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 khandalah, You asked numerous questions for which the answers can be very complicated. (1) People generally flee from house to house because they are reacting to something. They might call it cross-contamination, and it might be. However, because their systems have changed from exposures, these fleeing people might also be reacting to chemicals, mycotoxins, hidden mold, bacteria, endotoxins, and fragments of mold. (2) If a house is contaminated only due to cross-contamination, remediation can generally be effective. This remediation must be done by removing or cleaning contaminated items and addressing spores and other fungal or bacterial propagules that have been transported throughout the new dwelling. A thorough HEPA vacuuming and damp wiping of all surfaces is necessary. Using compressed air to clean cracks and crevices might also be warranted as long sufficient make-up air and HEPA-filtration is introduced. (3) Ozone or fogging of chemicals is a waste of money and can cause more harm than good. Ozone oxidizes organic compounds, creating intermediaries that are often toxic. As a strong oxidizer, ozone exposure can harm people if they are present during the process. Chemical fogging can cause adverse chemical reactions and leave behind offensive odors. The fogging might cause airborne particulate contaminants to deposit on horizontal surfaces, but they still need to be HEPA-vacuumed and damp-wiped. Connie Morbach, M.S., CHMM, CIE sanit-air.com cleanlinest.wordpress.com > > Ok so seems ive definately cross contaminated as there is a spot next to the heater where i always sit that i now get symptoms at, mainly my sinuses are irritated, itchy crawling skin, sore tonsils, itchy eues. So if contaminated houses can be remidiated cant this one? There is no mould actually growing. Why do people flee from house to house when remdiation is possible. Wouldnt it be much easier to remediate a cross contaminated house? There was some black mould growing on the blinds here and on the bathroom ceiling. There may be some bacteria under the stove as it probably hasnt beem cleaned for years, there was also mould growing in a teapot. One these are all gone cant we remedoate or is it just not possible for the very sensitive? How is remediation done, ozone, fogging sprays?? There is a company here in australia that claim to be able to eradicate mould with a fogging spray that is harmless. A local distributer gave me a free sample and the msds and i do not seem to react to it. > > I think its also known as this: > > http://www.21stglobal.com/scientific.htm > > Decon-Shield comes in concentrate used as hyper-wetting hog or spray, destroys all BW organisms including > weapons grade anthrax, and all other single celled organisms such as Golden Staph, Klebsiella, fungi, and viruses, etc., via a > minute positive charge > > They charge about 180 to do a house and say they have a 99% success rate. Though of course im not a routine case.. > > There is also and ausyralian company who use tea tree oil for hvacs, thoughts? We dont have air con but was thinking of using the tea tree oil when i buy a used car just to be on the safe side. > > http://www.gelair.com.au/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Ive had my truck ozoned and fogged and the ozone even after being hepa vacuumed 3 times like to kill me. At the time it was the middle of December, the effects from the ozone were so bad I had to drive around with my windows rolled all the way done. The temperature at the time was in the low 20's. Fogging it wasn't so bad but but the back of my neck hurt for months and again had to drive around with my windows rolled down but at this time it was the middle of March so the temperature ranged between 30 & 40 degrees fahrenheit which made it more tolerable. you you have to keep in mind that if a company in Australia had a fool proof method of ridding mold knowing a dollar can be made it wouldnt take long for some American company to see the potential and would start using that process over here. Scammers come in all shapes and sizes make sure you do your homework before you give anyone any money. And a 99% success rate.... please. > > Ok so seems ive definately cross contaminated as there is a spot next to the heater where i always sit that i now get symptoms at, mainly my sinuses are irritated, itchy crawling skin, sore tonsils, itchy eues. So if contaminated houses can be remidiated cant this one? There is no mould actually growing. Why do people flee from house to house when remdiation is possible. Wouldnt it be much easier to remediate a cross contaminated house? There was some black mould growing on the blinds here and on the bathroom ceiling. There may be some bacteria under the stove as it probably hasnt beem cleaned for years, there was also mould growing in a teapot. One these are all gone cant we remedoate or is it just not possible for the very sensitive? How is remediation done, ozone, fogging sprays?? There is a company here in australia that claim to be able to eradicate mould with a fogging spray that is harmless. A local distributer gave me a free sample and the msds and i do not seem to react to it. > > I think its also known as this: > > http://www.21stglobal.com/scientific.htm > > Decon-Shield comes in concentrate used as hyper-wetting hog or spray, destroys all BW organisms including > weapons grade anthrax, and all other single celled organisms such as Golden Staph, Klebsiella, fungi, and viruses, etc., via a > minute positive charge > > They charge about 180 to do a house and say they have a 99% success rate. Though of course im not a routine case.. > > There is also and ausyralian company who use tea tree oil for hvacs, thoughts? We dont have air con but was thinking of using the tea tree oil when i buy a used car just to be on the safe side. > > http://www.gelair.com.au/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Keep in mind that sometimes it takes a while for symptoms/mold to subside. Also when things are cleaned I get really sick for a week or two just because " stuff " has been kicked u into the air. It's very random and I can't really scientifically say what is happening only that sometimes things in the air need to settle down. Also-spraying any kind of " bomb " would really scare me-make absolutely 100% sure there is nothing in it that will make you sick-even if they have to open a bomb and let you sniff it or keep it in a room to see how you react! > > Ok so seems ive definately cross contaminated as there is a spot next to the heater where i always sit that i now get symptoms at, mainly my sinuses are irritated, itchy crawling skin, sore tonsils, itchy eues. So if contaminated houses can be remidiated cant this one? There is no mould actually growing. Why do people flee from house to house when remdiation is possible. Wouldnt it be much easier to remediate a cross contaminated house? There was some black mould growing on the blinds here and on the bathroom ceiling. There may be some bacteria under the stove as it probably hasnt beem cleaned for years, there was also mould growing in a teapot. One these are all gone cant we remedoate or is it just not possible for the very sensitive? How is remediation done, ozone, fogging sprays?? There is a company here in australia that claim to be able to eradicate mould with a fogging spray that is harmless. A local distributer gave me a free sample and the msds and i do not seem to react to it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 The product you are talking about was never meant for use with mold. I know people who have paid over $600 to have there houses sprayed with this and it did nothing. The mold spores are still there, what good does it do to spray them with peroxide and quats? Not much. > > Ok so seems ive definately cross contaminated as there is a spot next to the heater where i always sit that i now get symptoms at, mainly my sinuses are irritated, itchy crawling skin, sore tonsils, itchy eues. So if contaminated houses can be remidiated cant this one? There is no mould actually growing. Why do people flee from house to house when remdiation is possible. Wouldnt it be much easier to remediate a cross contaminated house? There was some black mould growing on the blinds here and on the bathroom ceiling. There may be some bacteria under the stove as it probably hasnt beem cleaned for years, there was also mould growing in a teapot. One these are all gone cant we remedoate or is it just not possible for the very sensitive? How is remediation done, ozone, fogging sprays?? There is a company here in australia that claim to be able to eradicate mould with a fogging spray that is harmless. A local distributer gave me a free sample and the msds and i do not seem to react to it. > > I think its also known as this: > > http://www.21stglobal.com/scientific.htm > > Decon-Shield comes in concentrate used as hyper-wetting hog or spray, destroys all BW organisms including > weapons grade anthrax, and all other single celled organisms such as Golden Staph, Klebsiella, fungi, and viruses, etc., via a > minute positive charge > > They charge about 180 to do a house and say they have a 99% success rate. Though of course im not a routine case.. > > There is also and ausyralian company who use tea tree oil for hvacs, thoughts? We dont have air con but was thinking of using the tea tree oil when i buy a used car just to be on the safe side. > > http://www.gelair.com.au/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Tug, I am so pleased to hear you are doing well at your Sisters......keep trusting God He will help you! About you ozoning your truck? Was it for mold? If so, did it kill the mold? How long did you have it on? A commercial machine? Did it kill the mold only? How about the mycotoxins? I have not found research to support that ozone kills mycotoxins. I have used ozone and seen it kill mold when it was in direct contact. So, I think ozone kills mold although it seems hard to get enough ozone in hard to get to areas. Another ?--did you have the car A/C running when the ozonator was on?  Thanks, Diane ________________________________ From: Tug <tug_slug@...> Sent: Sun, October 24, 2010 1:23:32 PM Subject: [] Re: Decon-shield. Remediation of cross contaminated house?  Ive had my truck ozoned and fogged and the ozone even after being hepa vacuumed 3 times like to kill me. At the time it was the middle of December, the effects from the ozone were so bad I had to drive around with my windows rolled all the way done. The temperature at the time was in the low 20's. Fogging it wasn't so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Hi Tug, is the ladies name from australia leslie also? This leslie...me..talking about your clothes washed with 1 cup ammonia, is leslie...I live in SC. From: Tug <tug_slug@...> Subject: [] Re: Decon-shield. Remediation of cross contaminated house? Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 1:23 PM Ive had my truck ozoned and fogged and the ozone even after being hepa vacuumed 3 times like to kill me. At the time it was the middle of December, the effects from the ozone were so bad I had to drive around with my windows rolled all the way done. The temperature at the time was in the low 20's. Fogging it wasn't so bad but but the back of my neck hurt for months and again had to drive around with my windows rolled down but at this time it was the middle of March so the temperature ranged between 30 & 40 degrees fahrenheit which made it more tolerable. you you have to keep in mind that if a company in Australia had a fool proof method of ridding mold knowing a dollar can be made it wouldnt take long for some American company to see the potential and would start using that process over here. Scammers come in all shapes and sizes make sure you do your homework before you give anyone any money. And a 99% success rate.... please. > Ok so seems ive definately cross contaminated as there is a spot next to the heater where i always sit that i now get symptoms at, mainly my sinuses are irritated, itchy crawling skin, sore tonsils, itchy eues. So if contaminated houses can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 D, I didnt have any mold in my truck it was ozoned for cross contamination. The day I had it done the truck sat with the windows open for two days but when we got into drive it we went to the movies and both me and my ex g'f were itching like crazy, it was so bad we had to leave the movie. For months when I'd get into the truck the back of my neck would hurt but within 5 minutes of getting out of the truck the pain would go away. > > Tug, I am so pleased to hear you are doing well at your Sisters......keep > trusting God He will help you! About you ozoning your truck? Was it for mold? > If so, did it kill the mold? How long did you have it on? A commercial > machine? Did it kill the mold only? How about the mycotoxins? I have not > found research to support that ozone kills mycotoxins. I have used ozone and > seen it kill mold when it was in direct contact. So, I think ozone kills mold > although it seems hard to get enough ozone in hard to get to areas. Another > ?--did you have the car A/C running when the ozonator was on? >  > Thanks, Diane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Tug, so what was in your truck to cause the itching? Mycotoxins?  And did the ozone take care of it? Diane ________________________________ From: Tug <tug_slug@...> Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 1:44:45 PM Subject: [] Re: Decon-shield. Remediation of cross contaminated house?  D, I didnt have any mold in my truck it was ozoned for cross contamination. The day I had it done the truck sat with the windows open for two days but when we got into drive it we went to the movies and both me and my ex g'f were itching like crazy, it was so bad we had to leave the movie. For months when I'd get into the truck the back of my neck would hurt but within 5 minutes of getting out of the truck the pain would go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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