Re: bus & school behavior/to Joyce

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Joyce,

That reminds me of a story – with a

giggle. When Gavin was in preschool he rode a little bus that had those

windows that would vent at the top. Anyway… one day he managed to

throw his shoe (with orthotic insert) out the three inch gap at the top of the

window. Long story… longer, because of confidentiality I was not

allowed to know the bus route so I had to ask the bus driver to go back and

attempt to find at least the orthotic. Okay, I said this was funny.

Well, at the next team meeting when all the staff were discussing his shoe

throwing behavior, I cleared my throat and spoke up, “So does this

qualify for meeting the goal of “will throw overhand at least three feet

to a person or target?” Their faces were priceless. In

every challenge there is a gift.

Suze (mom to Nicolas and Kristopher

Identical/15/Opitz and Gavin 7/DS)

From: Multiples-DS [mailto:Multiples-DS ] On Behalf Of Joyce Fledderjohann

Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008

8:08 PM

To: multiples-ds

Subject: RE: bus

& school behavior/to

What state are you in ? Different states

have different laws. If you're in California,

there's a lot of laws protecting special needs kids. Some states do not

have as many laws, but they should. Is there an aid on the bus? It

sounds like they should be on a special needs bus. (of course this is

coming from a mom of three special needs kids) My husband drives a bus

for special needs kids and he just told me that when the kids take their shoes

off, they just leave them off until they get to their destination. (that way

they don't throw them at anybody) He said they just leave them where they

can't reach them because they're in seat belts. He said that the aids

help to get their shoes back on when they are almost to their destinations.

I'm probably not any help, but it's just a comment. I hope things get

better for you. By the way, when our Ben was young, he used to throw his

shoes " out the window. " I remember losing so many pairs of

shoes. It was awful! We did get through it eventually! I am shocked

that you are advised that any future incidents that cause disruption can cause

her to be ineligible from riding the bus for a time period.

They're children! This is all a " training period. "

They're learning! They're special needs and they don't understand

everything that's happening. They're just " having fun " riding

on the bus. Well, keep us posted!

Joyce-wife to Mike

33 wonderful years!

Mom to

-32, Leah-31, Mikey-28, -25-DS,

-23, -15-DS,

and -11-DS/Autism

To: Multiples-DS

From: juliesurecode

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400

Subject: bus & school behavior

Hi All -

Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying

to do some research on slaw.com

Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on

routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and

throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep

them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have.

Hit two kids today with the items.

A letter came home from school today " advising us of behavioral

concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log

also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get

her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again.

Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a

disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus

for a set period of time.

I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal

that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability

that is not being properly addressed.

I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their

shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be

anything to throw to " cause another disruption. "

Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a

ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make

the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc.

FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1

supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus

behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and

hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with

her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a

little based on the few minutes I had.

Thanks,

Granata

Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4

1/2 yr son

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true!Joyce, That reminds me of a story – with a giggle. When Gavin was in preschool he rode a little bus that had those windows that would vent at the top. Anyway… one day he managed to throw his shoe (with orthotic insert) out the three inch gap at the top of the window. Long story… longer, because of confidentiality I was not allowed to know the bus route so I had to ask the bus driver to go back and attempt to find at least the orthotic. Okay, I said this was funny. Well, at the next team meeting when all the staff were discussing his shoe throwing behavior, I cleared my throat and spoke up, “So does this qualify for meeting the goal of “will throw overhand at least three feet to a person or target?” Their faces were priceless. In every challenge there is a gift. Suze (mom to Nicolas and Kristopher Identical/15/Opitz and Gavin 7/DS) From: Multiples-DS [mailto:Multiples-DS ]On Behalf Of Joyce FledderjohannSent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:08 PMTo: multiples-ds Subject: RE: bus & school behavior/to What state are you in ? Different states have different laws. If you're in California, there's a lot of laws protecting special needs kids. Some states do not have as many laws, but they should. Is there an aid on the bus? It sounds like they should be on a special needs bus. (of course this is coming from a mom of three special needs kids) My husband drives a bus for special needs kids and he just told me that when the kids take their shoes off, they just leave them off until they get to their destination. (that way they don't throw them at anybody) He said they just leave them where they can't reach them because they're in seat belts. He said that the aids help to get their shoes back on when they are almost to their destinations. I'm probably not any help, but it's just a comment. I hope things get better for you. By the way, when our Ben was young, he used to throw his shoes "out the window." I remember losing so many pairs of shoes. It was awful! We did get through it eventually! I am shocked that you are advised that any future incidents that cause disruption can cause her to be ineligible from riding the bus for a time period. They're children! This is all a "training period." They're learning! They're special needs and they don't understand everything that's happening. They're just "having fun" riding on the bus. Well, keep us posted! Joyce-wife to Mike 33 wonderful years!Mom to -32, Leah-31, Mikey-28, -25-DS, -23, -15-DS, and -11-DS/AutismTo: Multiples-DS From: juliesurecodeDate: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400Subject: bus & school behaviorHi All -Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying to do some research on slaw.comOur girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. Hit two kids today with the items. A letter came home from school today "advising us of behavioral concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus for a set period of time. I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability that is not being properly addressed.I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be anything to throw to "cause another disruption." Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc.FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a little based on the few minutes I had.Thanks, GranataMom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 1/2 yr son See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. See NowNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG.Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PMNo virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG.Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM

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Thanks for sharing that Suze!

Joyce

To: Multiples-DS From: zangelgal@...Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:35:22 -0700Subject: RE: bus & school behavior/to Joyce

Joyce,

That reminds me of a story – with a giggle. When Gavin was in preschool he rode a little bus that had those windows that would vent at the top. Anyway… one day he managed to throw his shoe (with orthotic insert) out the three inch gap at the top of the window. Long story… longer, because of confidentiality I was not allowed to know the bus route so I had to ask the bus driver to go back and attempt to find at least the orthotic. Okay, I said this was funny. Well, at the next team meeting when all the staff were discussing his shoe throwing behavior, I cleared my throat and spoke up, “So does this qualify for meeting the goal of “will throw overhand at least three feet to a person or target?” Their faces were priceless. In every challenge there is a gift.

Suze (mom to Nicolas and Kristopher Identical/15/Opitz and Gavin 7/DS)

From: Multiples-DS [mailto:Multiples-DS ] On Behalf Of Joyce FledderjohannSent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:08 PMTo: multiples-ds Subject: RE: bus & school behavior/to

What state are you in ? Different states have different laws. If you're in California, there's a lot of laws protecting special needs kids. Some states do not have as many laws, but they should. Is there an aid on the bus? It sounds like they should be on a special needs bus. (of course this is coming from a mom of three special needs kids) My husband drives a bus for special needs kids and he just told me that when the kids take their shoes off, they just leave them off until they get to their destination. (that way they don't throw them at anybody) He said they just leave them where they can't reach them because they're in seat belts. He said that the aids help to get their shoes back on when they are almost to their destinations. I'm probably not any help, but it's just a comment. I hope things get better for you. By the way, when our Ben was young, he used to throw his shoes "out the window." I remember losing so many pairs of shoes. It was awful! We did get through it eventually! I am shocked that you are advised that any future incidents that cause disruption can cause her to be ineligible from riding the bus for a time period. They're children! This is all a "training period." They're learning! They're special needs and they don't understand everything that's happening. They're just "having fun" riding on the bus. Well, keep us posted! Joyce-wife to Mike 33 wonderful years!Mom to -32, Leah-31, Mikey-28, -25-DS, -23, -15-DS, and -11-DS/Autism

To: Multiples-DS From: juliesurecodeDate: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400Subject: bus & school behavior

Hi All -Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying to do some research on slaw.comOur girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have. Hit two kids today with the items. A letter came home from school today "advising us of behavioral concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again. Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus for a set period of time. I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability that is not being properly addressed.I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be anything to throw to "cause another disruption." Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc.FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1 supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a little based on the few minutes I had.Thanks, GranataMom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4 1/2 yr son

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I remember hearing about that a while back, Suze! I love this

listserve - Feels like I'm almost like a long distant aunt... -

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>> Joyce,

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>>

>> That reminds me of a story – with a giggle. When Gavin was in

>> preschool he rode a little bus that had those windows that would vent

>> at the top. Anyway… one day he managed to throw his shoe (with

>> orthotic insert) out the three inch gap at the top of the window.

>> Long story… longer, because of confidentiality I was not allowed to

>> know the bus route so I had to ask the bus driver to go back and

>> attempt to find at least the orthotic. Okay, I said this was funny.

>> Well, at the next team meeting when all the staff were discussing his

>> shoe throwing behavior, I cleared my throat and spoke up, “So does

>> this qualify for meeting the goal of “will throw overhand at least

>> three feet to a person or target?” Their faces were priceless. In

>> every challenge there is a gift.

>>

>>

>>

>> Suze (mom to Nicolas and Kristopher Identical/15/Opitz and Gavin 7/DS)

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>> *From:* Multiples-DS [mailto:Multiples-DS ]*On

>> Behalf Of *Joyce Fledderjohann

>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:08 PM

>> *To:* multiples-ds

>> *Subject:* RE: bus & school behavior/to

>>

>>

>>

>> What state are you in ? Different states have different laws.

>> If you're in California, there's a lot of laws protecting special

>> needs kids. Some states do not have as many laws, but they should.

>> Is there an aid on the bus? It sounds like they should be on a

>> special needs bus. (of course this is coming from a mom of three

>> special needs kids) My husband drives a bus for special needs kids

>> and he just told me that when the kids take their shoes off, they

>> just leave them off until they get to their destination. (that way

>> they don't throw them at anybody) He said they just leave them where

>> they can't reach them because they're in seat belts. He said that

>> the aids help to get their shoes back on when they are almost to

>> their destinations. I'm probably not any help, but it's just a

>> comment. I hope things get better for you. By the way, when our Ben

>> was young, he used to throw his shoes " out the window. " I remember

>> losing so many pairs of shoes. It was awful! We did get through it

>> eventually! I am shocked that you are advised that any future

>> incidents that cause disruption can cause her to be ineligible from

>> riding the bus for a time period. They're children! This is all a

>> " training period. " They're learning! They're special needs and they

>> don't understand everything that's happening. They're just " having

>> fun " riding on the bus. Well, keep us posted!

>>

>> **Joyce**-wife to Mike 33 wonderful years!

>> Mom to

>> -32, Leah-31, Mikey-28, **-25-DS**,

>> -23, **-15-DS**, and **-11-DS/Autism***

>>

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>> To: Multiples-DS

>> From: julie@...

>> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:59:48 -0400

>> Subject: bus & school behavior

>>

>> Hi All -

>>

>> Have a time-sensitive concern to ask your thoughts - will also be trying

>> to do some research on slaw.com

>>

>> Our girls are on a regular bus with seatbelts provided for all kids on

>> routes. The girls are pulling off their shoes/orthotics/socks and

>> throwing them. School asked me to provide a book or soft toy to keep

>> them occupied, I was concerned they would throw these too. They have.

>> Hit two kids today with the items.

>>

>> A letter came home from school today " advising us of behavioral

>> concerns. We've talked in the last week and also the communication log

>> also is addressing not only this but Haley scratching a friend to get

>> her attention. The VP said she will suspend Haley if it happens again.

>> Re bus situation - letter says that any future incidents that cause a

>> disruption on the bus will cause her to be ineligible from riding bus

>> for a set period of time.

>>

>> I left a message requesting an IEP meeting asap. It doesn't seem legal

>> that they can suspend a kid for a behavior if they have a disability

>> that is not being properly addressed.

>>

>> I guess all I can do for tomorrow is make sure they don't have their

>> shoes/orthos/socks on when they are strapped in - then there won't be

>> anything to throw to " cause another disruption. "

>>

>> Any thoughts/ideas/help on the law will be great. I just don't have a

>> ton of time to do all this research and am afraid my emotions will make

>> the situation worse unless I get a handle of what's right, fair, etc.

>>

>> FYI - they ride a special needs bus home since they stay later for 1:1

>> supports. This is where they are supposed to be addressed the bus

>> behavior goal. The bus assistant said Nikki threw a book at him and

>> hurt him. I asked why and who gave her a book and was he familiar with

>> her disability? He didn't respond so I just apologized and explained a

>> little based on the few minutes I had.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Granata

>> Mom to Haley & Nikki, 6 yr identical twin girls both w/DS, and , 4

>> 1/2 yr son

>>

>>

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