Elevated Liver Enzymes

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In a message dated 10/24/2001 1:02:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sarahr@... writes:

<< I could really use some insight from people who have

been there--anybody else have repeated elevated liver enzymes? What

did they turn out to be from? I don't know anything about this. >>

Yes - mine have been in the low 50's several times where normal is up

to 45 (I think). The first 2 times, my rheumy cut back my MTX and the

enzymes went back into the 40's. This last time, she decided to switch me to

enbrel and get off the MTX. Do you have your blood taken every month? I

know some rheumy's only do every 3 months and I think every month is

important. Don't freak out over it, you may go back to normal, but even if

you don't, you will probably never feel any effects or have any damage from a

slight elevation. My rheumy did the hepatitis test on me too - it was fine.

Good luck,

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hello, My name is marcy and ive been there. I took mtx for 6mo and by the

third month i was like you elevated just above normal. My rheumy tried to

lower dose of mtx but the levels still went up. It has taken 8mo for the

levels to return to normal. I now have a slight enlarged liver and fatty

liver for which i never ever had before. Marcy Cainea

[ ] elevated liver enzymes

>I just got a call from my theumy telling me that my liver enzymes are

>elevated a bit more over baseline (they were a little elevated before

>I started any medications).

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Hello Tom,

I am speaking as a lay person.

>My son's blood tests showed that one of his liver enzymes (FLT's)

>measured 62 based on an upper reference range of 56. We are

>currently chelating using DMSA/ALA and the 3/4 hour protocol.

>Our DAN! doctor advised us to discontinue chelating until the enzyme

>levels return to normal, so we will do the blood tests again in 6

>weeks and re-check the enzymes. Is it possible to continue chelating

>with ALA alone without further increasing the enzyme levels, or does

>the oxidative stress from the chelation process cause the enzyme

>levels to increase, regardless of the chelating agent used?

I think that it can be both. That is, I think the actual METAL

DETOX itself is tough on the liver. AND DMSA could be also part

of it. But I'm just take a break because I do think the metals

themselves are stressful (to the liver).

>Also, we are giving him Milk Thistle (one capsule per day) in

>addition to the everyday vitamins to help normalize the enzymes. Are

>there any other supplements that we should be giving him which will

>help reduce his enzyme levels?

I don't know about any connection to enzyme levels, but here are some

things that are said to be supportive of healthy liver:

-- low toxic intake. this means: low on pesticides, drugs, commercial

meat [hormones, anti-biotics, etc], chemicals etc.

-- low fat diet

-- eat artichokes, beets, fenugreek sprouts.

-- milk thistle is one of a number of herbs to use. I have seen it

cited as the best one. If you would like me to post some other

ones, please ask and I'll look up a few for you.

If you wish you can call 1-800-herbdoc and ask for their current

issue of their newsletter, which is about liver and gallbladder.

Expect a rather fanatical newsletter, but useful. I don't think I

would do the whole liver cleanse routine on a kid--- but you can

use parts of it. BTW, this newsletter is marketing/advertising

for American Botanical Pharmacies, which will be very obvious.

best wishes,

Moria

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We are still using DMSA only on a 3/4 schedule, and my

son's recent liver panel showed a slightly elevated

AST (45 with an upper reference rance of 39). I

doubled up his Milk Thistle to two capsules per day,

and replaced one of his two 30mg Co-Enzyme Q10

capsules with 45mg of Idebenone for additinal liver

support. His doctors agreed with these changes. I

don't even remember FLT being one of the enzymes

listed on my son's test results...

Max

--- ryansdad1998 <ryansdad1998@...> wrote:

> My son's blood tests showed that one of his liver

> enzymes (FLT's)

> measured 62 based on an upper reference range of 56.

> We are

> currently chelating using DMSA/ALA and the 3/4

> hour protocol.

> Our DAN! doctor advised us to discontinue chelating

> until the enzyme

> levels return to normal, so we will do the blood

> tests again in 6

> weeks and re-check the enzymes. Is it possible to

> continue chelating

> with ALA alone without further increasing the enzyme

> levels, or does

> the oxidative stress from the chelation process

> cause the enzyme

> levels to increase, regardless of the chelating

> agent used?

> Also, we are giving him Milk Thistle (one capsule

> per day) in

> addition to the everyday vitamins to help normalize

> the enzymes. Are

> there any other supplements that we should be giving

> him which will

> help reduce his enzyme levels?

> Thank you in advance for any help.

>

> Tom

> 's Dad

>

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>

>

>

>

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> I

>don't even remember FLT being one of the enzymes

>listed on my son's test results...

I think what the original poster meant was LFTs (liver function tests).

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom

Milk Thistle is an excellent tonic for the liver and is recommended

when taking regular medication. But as always I would advise

checking with your doctor first.

Lindy

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I am now almost four years on antibiotics, Minocin and clindamycine ivs. I take

Thistlyn morning and night. Hope this helps.

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In a message dated 3/10/03 6:38:37 PM, deanzo@... writes:

<< I

went off the milk thistle, but kept up the extra C & E. Maybe others can

add how long one can remain on a milk thistle regimen? >>

Is milk thistle a pill at health stores, or what?

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I second Lindy's advice. I had elevated liver enzymes and was able to

bring them back to normal using milk thistle and extra vitamin C and E.

So far, so good. All my tests for the past year have remained in the

normal range. As soon as my test went back into the normal range, I

went off the milk thistle, but kept up the extra C & E. Maybe others can

add how long one can remain on a milk thistle regimen?

deano

On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 07:24 AM, purpleoranges2002 wrote:

> Hi Tom

>

> Milk Thistle is an excellent tonic for the liver and is recommended

> when taking regular medication. But as always I would advise

> checking with your doctor first.

>

> Lindy

>

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Hi Pris,

Milk Thistle is for liver support and it's available from health food shops.

Chris.

> Is milk thistle a pill at health stores, or what?

>Pris

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Hi Diane, I have DM and at the beginning my liver enzymes were moderately

elevated all the time. After adding milk thistle and alpha lipoic acid to my

supplement regimen the liver enzymes have ranged from normal to just very

slightly above normal. Milk thistle helps the liver regenerate.

HTH

Carol/Piney

rheumatic elevated liver enzymes

> I just had lab work done, and the AST which I was told was liver enzymes

was 85. I know this is higher than normal, but is it extremely high or

dangerous? The doc didn't seem to think so, but I would like to get another

opinion. I have taken diclofenac for 5 yrs, but 3 mo. ago the liver enzymes

were normal. Is anyone familiar w/ this? Is there anything herbal/ natural I

could take? I already take Alpha lipoic acid, which is to protect the liver,

but maybe its not safe. (Jarrow brand) By the way, my cholesterol is high

(249) also.

> Any ideas on this would be greatly appreciated, if anyone has had this

elevated also.

> Thanks to all who have helped me before on this group, don't know

what I would do without it.

> sincerely, Diane

>

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Sharon,

Nobody else seems to have responded, so as a non expert in this area all

I can say is most (probably ignorant and scared) doctors try to use the

potential for liver problems to put people off LDN! Your doctor is

probably more on the right track, but .....??????

sseymour@... wrote:

> Does anyone know if LDN has any affect on elevated liver enzymes? I

> have Lymes and know that LDN does not help that but my doctor

> recommended that I take it boost my immune system. After many

> antibiotics my liver enzymes went through the roof so he told me not

> to take it until we stabilize the enzymes. I am also not taking any

> antibiotics and have not for about 6 weeks. I am taking milk

> thistle, alpha lipoic acid and grape seed extract for the liver, but

> the enzymes although down a bit are still high. I just thought that

> maybe the LDN would be helpful.

>

> Sharon

> Lymes

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--- Are you protecting his liver with milk thistle? In Autism-

Mercury , " Zurama " <autismtookmickie@...> wrote:

>

> How high do liver enzymes need to get before I should get concerned. I

> am Chelating Mickie using just DMSA. Mickie's AST and ALT are at 46.

> He is also on Valtrex/Nizoral and GSE.

> Zurama

>

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Yes I am and I added Artichoke and Dandelion.

Zurama

> >

> > How high do liver enzymes need to get before I should get concerned. I

> > am Chelating Mickie using just DMSA. Mickie's AST and ALT are at 46.

> > He is also on Valtrex/Nizoral and GSE.

> > Zurama

> >

>

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I heard an opinion not to do DMSA and Valtrex at the same time since it can be

too much for liver, but consider ALA instead of DMSA. We are using both now,

but I will drop DMSA if we start Valtrex for my son. My doctor (of alternative

medicine) does not suggest DMSA and Valtrex together also for the same reason.

ALA suppose to be good support for liver

Natalia

Zurama <autismtookmickie@...> wrote:

Yes I am and I added Artichoke and Dandelion.

Zurama

> >

> > How high do liver enzymes need to get before I should get concerned. I

> > am Chelating Mickie using just DMSA. Mickie's AST and ALT are at 46.

> > He is also on Valtrex/Nizoral and GSE.

> > Zurama

> >

>

Regards

Natalia Ibbott

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I'm doing milk thistle but have never heard about artichoke and dandelion

supporting liver function. (I'm pretty new to this whole thing.) Can someone

elaborate?

Thanks!

Dana C.

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From: " Zurama " <autismtookmickie@...>

Yes I am and I added Artichoke and Dandelion.

Zurama

> >

> > How high do liver enzymes need to get before I should get concerned. I

> > am Chelating Mickie using just DMSA. Mickie's AST and ALT are at 46.

> > He is also on Valtrex/Nizoral and GSE.

> > Zurama

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana C.,

Here's a link to a product I use which contains dandelion and

artichoke among other ingredients. You can google the individual

ingredients and liver to find the depth of information you want for

each ingredient.

http://tinyurl.com/68965m

You can also check this site which explains liver detoxification. I

used this site to find supplements for my DD.

http://tinyurl.com/62pgof

HTH,

Orelindel

>

> I'm doing milk thistle but have never heard about artichoke and

dandelion supporting liver function. (I'm pretty new to this whole

thing.) Can someone elaborate?

>

> Thanks!

> Dana C.

>

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I just received a message from my Dr., appearently my liver enzymes are high and

I have to go back in for more tests. I don't drink and the only drugs I take are

those that are prescribed. Could it be possible that the mold spores are causing

my elevated liver enzymes. Please keep in mind that I was exposed for app. 6

weeks.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Definately could be exposure to mycotoxins or endotoxins from water damaged

building, could be from chemical toxins and any number of things but things you

do to detox should work for all of them, except with avoidance, you have to

determine what kind of exposure you are suffering from. I had elevated mold in

house but ALSO lead dust from some work that had been done in building.

>

> I just received a message from my Dr., appearently my liver enzymes are high

and I have to go back in for more tests. I don't drink and the only drugs I take

are those that are prescribed. Could it be possible that the mold spores are

causing my elevated liver enzymes. Please keep in mind that I was exposed for

app. 6 weeks.

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

An infection in your liver or other liver condition could also cause it to not

function properly but assuming no direct infection of liver, probably

environmental or you can also ingest toxins in food or water; or could be a

combination of things, including prescription drugs. Prescription drugs are

very hard on the liver, including just regular old Tylenol.

>

> I just received a message from my Dr., appearently my liver enzymes are high

and I have to go back in for more tests. I don't drink and the only drugs I take

are those that are prescribed. Could it be possible that the mold spores are

causing my elevated liver enzymes. Please keep in mind that I was exposed for

app. 6 weeks.

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

The Dr had me on respIrdal (sp) for 2 weeks (which I believe is the culprit).

Now that I stopped taking it I'm hoping my levels will drop and I can start

taking an anti-fungal.

Funny thing a week and a half ago they did a liver panel and my enzymes were

perfectly normal.

> >

> > I just received a message from my Dr., appearently my liver enzymes are high

and I have to go back in for more tests. I don't drink and the only drugs I take

are those that are prescribed. Could it be possible that the mold spores are

causing my elevated liver enzymes. Please keep in mind that I was exposed for

app. 6 weeks.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

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I don't know why I should panic this time, when it has happened to me a

couple times in the past, but I received a letter today from my doctor, and she

wants my liver test re-done in 30-60 days, because both ALT and AST levels

are high. Anyone else have this happen in the past, and then return to

normal???

Gail

[Guest guest]

I would suggest taking milk thistle

It is specific to help heal the liver

Also to avoid alcohol & processed foods as much as possible

Wishing you Light & Love & Ease of well being

Randy

On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:19 PM, " karend27 " <karend27@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> At my annual exam last week, my PCP ran blood tests, and she just called me to

tell me the liver enzymes are elevated - they were never elevated previously

while I was on antibiotics (on them for 5 mos last year). We are trying to

figure it out and she does not know much about herbs.

> I started the Buhner protocol in mid December I am now on:

> 4 caps 3x/day of Cats Claw, Andrographis, Knotweed and Sarsparilla

> And tinctures of Eleuthero, Stephania and Teasel Root.

> I am also taking 500mg Vit C, 5,000 mcg B12, 200 mg CoQ10, and Boluoke (2 caps

a day).

> I have also had daily nausea since January and some abdominal pain.

> I have searched this site for previous posts about liver enzymes and just

wanted to know what is the most recent recommendations for what to do if this

happens.

>

>

>

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What are your recommendations for detox solutions??

You seem sooooooooooooooo knowledgeable.

I appreciate all your comments.

This disease is so confusing.

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 4:58 AM, knot_weed <tek0nik@...> wrote:

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> > catsclaw can be hard on the liver, and stephania too problably. I agree

> with the other suggestions: you can try milk thistle for liver protection

> and red rood and some detox product to help with processing of toxic

> remains.

>

> Milk thistle is not really 'protective' for the liver: it slows down some

> of the chemical processing in the liver. So the liver takes it slow, buit

> there also is a downside. If you are taking a lot of herbs/medicines, it

> usually means your effective dose is increasing, and toxicity problems may

> increase as well. So I think it is more effective to first try the detox

> solutions.

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>

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[Guest guest]

I don't know that your statement is true. Please read

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-milk-thistle.html

Connie

[ ] Re: Elevated liver enzymes

Milk thistle is not really 'protective' for the liver: it slows down some of the

chemical processing in the liver. So the liver takes it slow, buit there also is

a downside. If you are taking a lot of herbs/medicines, it usually means your

effective dose is increasing, and toxicity problems may increase as well. So I

think it is more effective to first try the detox solutions.