MENINGITIS

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At 10:52 PM 04/06/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>

>Hi Everyone,

>

>Got a grilling today from my Doc. Had a good old row about vaccination. I

>read somewhere that the cases of meningitis have actually increased this

>year as apposed to last year. Has anyone else heard this? He disagreed,

>said that the vaccine was a success, can anyone tell me any figure? And if

>so, where did they get the stats from?

>

>>From an irresponsible parent in UK!! lol....

>(Ruth)

They claim major decrease in H-Influenza meningitis...but what are the

drawbacks - we don't know yet, other than diabetes - I'll also send an

article on that.

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Subject: HIB VACCINE EFFECTIVENESSRe: No Rise in Other Serotypes Seen With

Drop in Hib (http://pediatrics.medscape.co

MERYL DOREY (shotinfo@...) SENT:

No Rise in Other Serotypes Seen With Drop in

Hib

Miriam E. Tucker

The decline in Haemophilus influenzae type b invasive disease in young

children that has

resulted from widespread use of the Hib vaccine has not resulted in an

increase of H. influenzae invasive disease caused by other serotypes,

according to the Centers for

Disease Control and Prevention. In California from 1990 through 1996,

the number of reported Hib cases in children under 5 years of age

decreased by 99%, from 346 (13.9 per 100,000) to 4 (0.1 per 100,000),

and the number of reported H. influenzae cases attributed to unknown

serotype declined 93% (from 134 to 10). During that time, the incidence

of non-type b invasive disease remained stable, with an average annual

incidence of 0.9 per 100,000 children aged less than 5 years, the CDC

said (MMWR 47[35]:737-40, 1998).

The drop in the number of children under age 5 with reported Hib

invasive disease from

1990 to 1996 in California reflects the decline in Hib invasive disease

cases reported nationally following adoption of widespread use of the

Hib vaccine in children. The parallel drop in the number of cases of

unknown serotype suggests that many of those had also been serotype b,

they noted. In California, the proportion of H.influenzae isolates with

unknown serotype information (26%) was lower than the national rate in

1994 and 1995 (44%), probably due to more complete ascertainment of

serotype information by active surveillance in three Bay area counties

and in Los Angeles County. Surveillance for all H. influenzae disease

needs to be strengthened to document the remaining disease burden and to

monitor vaccine program effectiveness, the CDC ecommended.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

Got a grilling today from my Doc. Had a good old row about vaccination. I

read somewhere that the cases of meningitis have actually increased this

year as apposed to last year. Has anyone else heard this? He disagreed,

said that the vaccine was a success, can anyone tell me any figure? And if

so, where did they get the stats from?

From an irresponsible parent in UK!! lol....

(Ruth)

[Guest guest]

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Meningitis

© 1994 by Janet Zand, L.Ac., OMD

(Excerpted from Smart Medicine for a Healthier Child, Avery Publishing Group)

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Meningitis is an infection and inflammation of the three meninges, which are

thin membranes that cover the brain and spinal cord. The infection can be

caused by either a virus or bacteria. Hemophilus influenzae, or " H. flu., " is

the most common among the bacterial organisms that cause meningitis in

children. An infection in the blood (bacteremia), ears, jaw, or sinuses can

also lead to an infection of the meninges.

A newborn with meningitis may have poor muscle tone, difficulty feeding, a

weak suck and cry, vomiting, irritability, sleepiness, and/or jitteriness. In

infants, symptoms of meningitis include a high-pitched cry, irritability,

loss of appetite, vomiting, lethargy, and possibly a fever or convulsions. An

older child is likely to have a fever, chills, vomiting, irritability,

headache, and/or a stiff neck. Seizures and changes in consciousness, such as

stupor or coma, are possible as the infection progresses.

Meningitis is a serious infection that is potentially life threatening and

can cause such long-term consequences as hearing or vision problems. It

requires immediate medical attention. If treated early and appropriately,

there is a low likelihood of complications or lasting harm to your child.

SYMPTOMS OF MENINGITIS

The symptoms of meningitis usually come on quickly, especially in children,

and involve some combination of the following:

Fever;

Headache, often severe;

Malaise;

Vomiting;

Stiff neck and back;

Changes in consciousness, from irritability through confusion to drowsiness,

stupor, and coma.

In an infant, symptoms may be somewhat different, including:

A high-pitched cry;

A bulging or tight fontanel (soft spot);

Seizure and/or loss of consciousness.

If your child displays any of these symptoms, particularly after or while

recovering from a respiratory illness or sore throat, call your doctor right

away.

CONVENTIONAL TREATMENT

Meningitis is diagnosed by looking for signs of infection and the presence

of an infectious organism in the spinal fluid. To perform a " spinal tap, " a

needle is inserted into a space between two vertebrae and a small amount of

fluid is withdrawn for inspection. The process can tee difficult, as it

requires the child to curl up and lie still. The doctor will use a numbing

medicine on the skin before putting the needle in to lessen the pain, but it

still feels like pressure in the back. The doctor will probably also take a

sample of your child's blood to look for other signs of infection.

If meningitis is suspected, antibiotic therapy will be started immediately

after the spinal fluid samples are taken. A doctor will not wait to get the

results back to find out whether the meningitis is bacterial or viral,

because the risks of not treating a possible bacterial infection immediately

are too great. The antibiotic will be given intravenously, usually for a

minimum of seven days. Ampicillin, penicillin, and chloramphenicol are

commonly used antibiotics for bacterial meningitis.

If the meningitis is determined to be viral in origin, antibiotics are

ineffective and will be discontinued. Rest, fluids, and nutrition, as well as

measures to control fever and relieve pain, will be recommended to ease the

discomfort and aid in recovery.

If there is even a suspicion of viral meningitis, aspirin should not be

given as a painkiller, because the combination of aspirin and viral infection

has been linked to the development of Reye's syndrome, a dangerous disease

affecting the brain and the liver.

NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS

The nutritional supplements listed below are aimed at supporting your child's

recovery from meningitis. They should not be considered a substitute for

appropriate antibiotic therapy. For age-appropriate dosages of nutritional

supplements, see Dosage Guidelines for Herbs and Nutritional Supplements.

Floradix is an herbal iron supplement that will give your child v,itamins

and minerals necessary to rebuild his strength. Follow the dosage directions

on the product label, and give it to your child for two weeks.

GreenMagma is a product that supplies trace minerals and beta carotene end

helps to restore strength. Give your child the dose specified on the label

for two weeks.

Lactobacillus acidophilus and/or bifidus is very good for restoring bowel

health after a regime of potent antibiotics. Follow the dosage directions on

the product label, and give your child one dose a day for one month.

The B vitamins help to restore strength. Give your child a vitamin-B complex

supplement for two weeks, following the dosage directions on the product

label.

Vitamin C and bioflavonoids help stimulate the immune system. Give your

child one dose, four times daily, for two weeks.

HERBAL TREATMENT

Herbal treatment for meningitis is aimed at supporting your child's recovery

from the illness. It should not be considered a substitute for appropriate

antibiotic therapy. For age-appropriate dosages of nutritional supplements,

see Dosage Guidelines for Herbs and Nutritional Supplements.

The antibacterial properties of garlic will help resolve infection. Give

your child one capsule or one fresh clove, three times a day, until the

infection clears.

American ginseng is an excellent source of trace minerals and

micronutrients. It will also support and strengthen your child's immune

system. Give your child one dose, three times a day, for two weeks.

Note: This herb should be used during recovery only. It should not be given

if fever or any other signs of infection are present.

Astragalus (Astragalus membranaceous), with its rich concentration of trace

minerals and micronutrients, will help strengthen your child's immune system.

Give your child one dose, three times a day, for two weeks.

Note: This herb should be used during the recovery phase only, not while

fever or any other signs of acute infection are present.

HOMEOPATHY

Homeopathic treatment for meningitis is aimed at supporting your child's

recovery from the illness once the acute phase of the infection has passed.

It should not be considered a substitute for appropriate antibiotic therapy.

Choose a symptom-specific remedy and give your child one dose, four times a

day, for up to two days.

Belladonna 30x or 9c is helpful for a child who has a fever, with dilated

pupils and perhaps delirious behavior.

Bryonia 30x or 9c is good for a child who experiences eye pain and

constipation. This child will complain that his entire body is in great pain.

GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS

During the acute phase of meningitis, a quiet, dimly lit room will help ease

the headache pain. Stories, a soothing massage, and holding will help

reassure your child and ease his discomfort.

If your child contracts bacterial meningitis, be aware of the possibility of

a subtle injury to the brain. Don't hesitate to talk to your doctor if you

are worried about persistent hearing loss, problems with balance or

coordination, difficulties with schoolwork, or similar difficulties.

PREVENTION

Most medical doctors now recommend that children be routinely given the Hib

vaccine, which offers immunity against Hemophilus influenzae bacteria (the

most common cause of bacterial meningitis), starting when they are two months

of age. This can be given either by itself or in combination with the DPT

vaccine.

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http://www.whaleto.freeserve.co.uk/Vaccines/meningitis.htm

Meningitis

> Hello~

>

> I just rejoined this list after being on " no mail " for several months.

>

> I am wondering what anyone can tell me about meningitis. I haven't done

any

> research into this disease yet, I thought I would ask you all first. : )

>

> My husband's nephews go to a school in PA where a girl recently died from

> bacterial meningitis. They are now mass vaccinating all the students

(high

> school) against this. One of the nephews had recent contact with the girl

> before she went out with meningitis - they were in a cooking class

together

> and were friends. She died just one week ago. I am wondering what anyone

> can tell me about how this disease is spread/caught. What is the

timeframe

> between exposure to someone who has caught the disease and actually

showing

> symptoms of the disease. We are to go visit my husband's family in two

weeks

> and I am wondering if I should be concerned about being in close contact

with

> this boy, is he safe from the disease since he doesn't show signs of it

now?

> Also, if the two boys are vaccinated this week, should I be concerened

about

> having my children (8 and under) in close contact with them? I know when

my

> younger niece and nephew are vaccinated (routine vaccinations in first few

> years of life), I am always sure they don't drink from the same cup, etc.

>

> Boy, I really hope I am not sounding paranoid or sounding like an idiot!

> Like I said, I just don't know anything about this and I would rather be

safe

> than sorry. I am sure this whole thing will stur up conversation about

> vaccinations with my husband's family (they are for them and we are

obviously

> opposed). I just want to be armed!

>

> Thanks a lot for whatever information you can give me!

>

> in PA

>

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[Guest guest]

jennifer,

i understand your concern, as many moms seem to have a problem not giving the

tetanus vax, i like you, was most frightened of not giving the hib (also

prevnar si now available), as meningisits was soooo scary to me--i was afraid

i'd miss it and chalk it up to a cold. but let me tell you how i came to the

decision to not do this (or any) vaccines.

first of all, meningitis is so rare that most ped.'s go through their entire

careers without EVER having a case in their practice. second, in dr.

mendelsohn's book (how to raise a healthy child...), he says that if it is

recognized it is 95% curable. he says that the telltale things to be on the

lookout for (that are different from regular

unexplained fever for a few days, drowsiness, vomiting and a shrill cry and

possibly a stiff neck. particularly the last two--shrill cry and stiff neck.

now, if your baby is very young you may not know if they have astiff

neck--but that isn't ALWAYS present with meningitis anyway. but, Mendelsohn

says that in babies the shrill cry is the distinct feature in meningitis.

so, i figured i'd always keep watching for that.

as far as the vax itself--it is given very young--usually by the 2 month

appt. the baby will be started on the 3-4 doses series.

as far as the vax reactions go--

" Vaccination of any type lowers t-lymph cell counts for up to two weeks,

sometimes to as low as that of a person with full blown AIDS, this comes from

the NEJM 1984. This leaves you at risk for anything you come into contact

with. Which is why infants frequently come down with colds, ear infections,

respiratory infections, etc, within a week or two following any vaccination.

After we began our mass DPT vaccination programs, meningitis became a

problem. " (taken from ask me.com--per dawn--horsehead)

any vax given to your child carries its share of risks--and in this case the

likelihood of contracting meningitis is remote.

i cannot find the prevnar package inset or my info on the Hib vax

reactions--maybe Dawn could repost them if she sees this or maybe sheri has

them. but the package inserts are very interesting to read and should be

read before giving to your child.

good luck with your decision!!

brigit

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/13/2001 8:47:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

jenwilson@... writes:

> Hmmm... that's interesting. We are having a bit of an outbreak here as

> well - 4 cases that I know of. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area in

> Calif. Is this happening anywhere else too I wonder?

> , mama to Andy - 1 year old & not vaxed

>

>

I'm here too in the Bay Area and I think it is always around and we just

don't hear about it until one child dies and now we will hear of every case

because if the media. Just like the lady who was mauled and killed by the dog

in SF. After that we heard of dog attacks everyday. Well, sh*t happens

everyday. It's just how much does the media want to make out of it.

[Guest guest]

Well, sh*t happens

everyday. It's just how much does the media want to make out of it.

Oh that is so true!!

Sue

Wales, Uk

[Guest guest]

Dr. Duffy (M.D. for almost 30 years) gave me permission to forward this to

everyone. Sandy

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: Meningitis

WARNING:

The present scare on meningitis is exactly that, a scare...

1. Meningitis is not a transmissable disease, we do not " catch " it

from one another.

2. My first lesson in vaccine propaganda is when I learned, back in

the forties, that the " epidemics " of meningitis amongst miltitary

recruits were not epidemics but clusters, and the second thing I

learned was that only the freshly vaccinated recruits " caught "

meningitis. The mess sargeant didn't, the drill sargeant didn't,

only the recruits did. Not even the girls who worked at the base

exchanges and service clubs, with whom the recruits played kissy face

" caught " meningitis - only the freshly vaccinated recruits " caught " it.

3. Why would people line up for antibiotics for meningitis? And exactly

what kind of meningitis are we talking about here? Is this the Aseptic

meningitis which was the new name given polio to make it look as though

polio was on the decrease??

4. This is the type of activity that the medical fraternity uses to keep

itself in the lime light and keep people in the dark about what is really

going on in the world.

5. Has anyone bothered to check to see if these people with Meningitis

were recently vaccinated? I doubt it.

Meningitis

> Those of you interested in learning more about meningitis and the vaccine,

> please note I have added a section in diseases and vaccines. Also, you

can

> now search the site for articles I have not put in that section. The

search

> page can be linked to from the home page: www.vaccinationnews.com.

>

> Sandy from Alaska

>

> ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

> IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

> REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

> CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

> WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD

BE

> MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE

PROVIDER.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi April,

This is good. You are doing your homework. It is

recommended that children and adults are protected

against the slight possibility of meningitis from

having a cochlear implant. Here are the guidelines.

I do know that most pediatricians are now seeing the

need for the meningitis vaccine as part of the normal

childhood innoculations.

Here is some information that will help you:

http://www.cochlearamericas.com/about/682.asp

Again - please discuss this with your entire medical

team.

Alice

--- April Winters <jordansmom@...> wrote:

Hello all,

It's April again I was researching some more last

night and came across an FDA update about implants and

meningitis. Can someone tell me more about this?? It

sounded very scary! Thanks, April---

[Guest guest]

Last May my daughter (8 at the time) woke up one morning with a severe headache, fever, and inability to sit up (signs of meningitis) I spoke with our doc, and went straight to the ER. While we were waiting for triage, I ran a subspace program on her. Meningitis was very reactive. I zapped it for 3 minutes, and she began to get better. By the time she was admitted to the ER, she could bend at the waist, and was feeling markedly better. The Dr. found a high white count on her. He insisted on doing a urinalysis, and a lung x-ray. When he said he needed to do a spinal tap, I said no. He was disgruntled, but I explained that she was much improved, and we live 2 blocks from the hospital. I would return if necessary. We were in the hospital for a total of 8 hours, so I did run a full therapy on her, anything that I was led to do as per her individual test results. Incidentally, she was well enough to go to school the next day.

meningitis - legally blind

Hello,Has anyone had any experience treating meningitis? What programs did you run? I am working with a newperson tomorrow who says he is legally blind with thismeningitis - any info/experience anyone has about this condition would be great!Thanks!Maggiemaggie@...

[Guest guest]

Meningitis has been successfully treated with Ozone Treatments. Check "Flood Your Body with Oxygen" by Ed McCabe. Treatments were given directly into the spinal fluid. Total remission happened. Can't do this with the QX but is a viable way to get help........................Blessings!

[Guest guest]

,

Surgeons will most likely require a meningitis vaccine before one is

implanted as a safeguard, but the last I heard is that the incidence

of meningitis among ci users is no higher than what it is in the

general population.

Someone please correct me if this isn't the case.

Please don't let this deter your decision to implant your youngster.

If you log onto www..com and go to medical information, there

is information there about the meningitis vaccine.

Discuss this with the surgeon and put your mind at ease.

Please do not hesitate to ask if you have other questions

Hugs,

Silly MI

In , " Weinzapfel, A " <JWeinzap@u...>

wrote:

> I have read that threat of getting meningitis is heightened once

> implanted.

> Should this threat deter us from proceeding with an implant for our

> child?

> Is this something we should worry about or just be educated about

it and

> hope it never happens?

> Please comment.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amy, you don't know that it won't happen, but equally there is no guarantee

that the vaccine will protect your child. People get meningitis for many

reasons - and it sounds as though this boy had septicaemia anyway, to

sustain that sort of damage. This type of septicaemia commonly follows Men

B, which is usually bacterial, and there is no vax against it, afaik. I

know a few folk who have had meningitis with no adverse effects as well.

Meningitis is, after all, a medical term that simply means *inflammation of

the meninges*. I'm not belittling it, but meningitis is a lot more common

than people think. Very few have this outcome.

Sue

> meningitis

>

>

> I saw a special on Montel about a college boy who never

> made it to

> get his vaccine against meningitis and ended up getting the

> disease, and as a

> result came close to death and lost his limbs (they had to be

> amputated).

> My husband asked me how I knew that wouldn't happen to our

> daughter (10 months

> and we do not vaccinate) and I didn't know what to say. Can

> someone help

> me, seeing that scared me. Thanks in advance.

> Amy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amy,

This is a scary one indeed - I am not aware that they vaccinate little

kids for this though (not sure?) They do recommend it for college

students. More info from the following site:

http://www.acha.org/projects_programs/overview.cfm

" It is estimated that 100 to 125 cases of meningococcal disease occur

annually on college campuses and 5 to 15 students die as a result. The

disease can result in permanent brain damage, hearing loss, learning

disability, limb amputation, kidney failure or death. "

" Based on the possibility of increased risk for this disease among

segments of the college population, the American College Health

Association (ACHA) in 1997 recommended that students consider

vaccination to reduce their risk for potentially fatal meningococcal

disease, and that college health care providers take a proactive role

in providing information and access to the meningococcal disease vaccine "

> Amy, you don't know that it won't happen, but equally there is no

guarantee

> that the vaccine will protect your child. People get meningitis for

many

> reasons - and it sounds as though this boy had septicaemia anyway, to

> sustain that sort of damage. This type of septicaemia commonly

follows Men

> B, which is usually bacterial, and there is no vax against it, afaik. I

> know a few folk who have had meningitis with no adverse effects as well.

> Meningitis is, after all, a medical term that simply means

*inflammation of

> the meninges*. I'm not belittling it, but meningitis is a lot more

common

> than people think. Very few have this outcome.

>

> Sue

>

> > meningitis

> >

> >

> > I saw a special on Montel about a college boy who never

> > made it to

> > get his vaccine against meningitis and ended up getting the

> > disease, and as a

> > result came close to death and lost his limbs (they had to be

> > amputated).

> > My husband asked me how I knew that wouldn't happen to our

> > daughter (10 months

> > and we do not vaccinate) and I didn't know what to say. Can

> > someone help

> > me, seeing that scared me. Thanks in advance.

> > Amy

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

yes this vaccine is referred to as PREVNAR... OR the

pneomeccol vaccine...sp??

It is definately one that the peds pushed for because

she seen a child under 1 die from it. She attends a

support group with the mother of the deceased child.

She claimed that prevnar had not come out yet, and the

child;s life may have been saved if the vaccine was

on the market.

The vaccine is only recommended for children under

one. The labels indicate that it was only used for

those under one years old.

I agree that this is one that is scary, but the

adverse reactions are also scary.

I just pray to God that he keeps my children free from

these illness, and as long as I believe that he will

protect us and guide us on the right path, HE IS whom

I have to trust!

Well just my 2 cents.

Jackie B

--- Catala <yvonnecatala@...> wrote:

> Amy,

>

> This is a scary one indeed - I am not aware that

> they vaccinate little

> kids for this though (not sure?) They do recommend

> it for college

> students. More info from the following site:

>

> http://www.acha.org/projects_programs/overview.cfm

>

> " It is estimated that 100 to 125 cases of

> meningococcal disease occur

> annually on college campuses and 5 to 15 students

> die as a result. The

> disease can result in permanent brain damage,

> hearing loss, learning

> disability, limb amputation, kidney failure or

> death. "

>

> " Based on the possibility of increased risk for

> this disease among

> segments of the college population, the American

> College Health

> Association (ACHA) in 1997 recommended that students

> consider

> vaccination to reduce their risk for potentially

> fatal meningococcal

> disease, and that college health care providers take

> a proactive role

> in providing information and access to the

> meningococcal disease vaccine "

>

>

>

>

> > Amy, you don't know that it won't happen, but

> equally there is no

> guarantee

> > that the vaccine will protect your child. People

> get meningitis for

> many

> > reasons - and it sounds as though this boy had

> septicaemia anyway, to

> > sustain that sort of damage. This type of

> septicaemia commonly

> follows Men

> > B, which is usually bacterial, and there is no vax

> against it, afaik. I

> > know a few folk who have had meningitis with no

> adverse effects as well.

> > Meningitis is, after all, a medical term that

> simply means

> *inflammation of

> > the meninges*. I'm not belittling it, but

> meningitis is a lot more

> common

> > than people think. Very few have this outcome.

> >

> > Sue

> >

> > > meningitis

> > >

> > >

> > > I saw a special on Montel about a

> college boy who never

> > > made it to

> > > get his vaccine against meningitis and ended up

> getting the

> > > disease, and as a

> > > result came close to death and lost his limbs

> (they had to be

> > > amputated).

> > > My husband asked me how I knew that wouldn't

> happen to our

> > > daughter (10 months

> > > and we do not vaccinate) and I didn't know what

> to say. Can

> > > someone help

> > > me, seeing that scared me. Thanks in advance.

> > > Amy

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

At 09:01 AM 1/22/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>Okay so I posted before how sometimes I just get panicky about DS not

having any vax! I am FINE with everything now except the vax for

meningitis. Now I know they only cover a few strands of the many out

there, but does anyone have any info or links that can keep me sane at the

moment and help me not to worry about him getting sick from these? I am

just really worked up over it the past few days, I thought it would pass,

but it hasn't.

>Thanks for helping me deal with my insecurities!

>

>) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 6 Months Old ~

http://www.thelucastribe.com

>

Well #1

VACCINES DO NOT work - they do NOT give immunity

That is what you all need to explore and understand

The word meningitis just means inflammation of the meninges which can be

from any cause (they will say bacteria, viruses or toxic - I say it is a

symptom and they happen to find certain bacteria, sometimes)

I will just say that all vaccines are dangerous and all have great risk

What we have seen with HIB vaccine is that children may not get as much HIB

meningitis, but other forms of meningitis surface - just a different

bacteria detected. So then they invented Prevnar for pneumococcal

meningitis, and meningitis C vaccine. But then we start to see other forms

of meningitis. Eliminating one bacteria, just opens the door for another,

in a way. (although I think the bacteria are the result of an illness -

just say you are ill with meningitis symptoms and each case happens to have

one type of bacteria identified - but is it the cause? or the result? -

the same bacteria is there all the time and doesn't cause any problem -

detected in healthy people)

Here is much information on HIB vaccine dangers on my webpage

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/hib.htm

let me know if you have questions

We don't have a good idea of the true risk of the vaccine as so many are

given together, at the same time, that we don't know, when there is a

reaction, which vaccine was implicated or all of them.

MUCH on 's webpage (JOHN has a new domain name, by the

way..............see below - but still can get to the pages you have marked

with whale.to

http://www.vaccination.org.uk/vaccines/meningitis.htm

And breastfed children are rarely at risk for HIB meningitis and especially

also not in daycare

Again, it does not give immunity even though they will tell you it does.

The way I see it is the vaccine injects a chronic case of the illness and

there is a subclinical chronic case going on with no outlet when injected

and therefore the child can't get an acute case of that illness as is

chronically ill with it. But can get other types of meningitis if that is

the tendency for that child.

And there are no safe vaccines

Many HIB articles

http://www.vaccination.org.uk/v/hib9.html

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Thank you! I am sure I will find more than enough info in these links, and what

you wrote helps too! I just need some nerve calming/reminders every once in

a while. (I am a cronic worrier over everything!)

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VACCINES DO NOT work - they do NOT give immunity

[Guest guest]

Meningitis (HiB) was the last one for me too, before I gave up the worry

about vaccinating. Sheri is right-if you take a look at those resources,

you will see how the vaccine does not work. Do you breastfeed? The IgA

in breastmilk physically prevents the attachment of the organism to the

hair in the nostrils.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Meningitis

Okay so I posted before how sometimes I just get panicky about DS not

having any vax! I am FINE with everything now except the vax for

meningitis. Now I know they only cover a few strands of the many out

there, but does anyone have any info or links that can keep me sane at

the moment and help me not to worry about him getting sick from these?

I am just really worked up over it the past few days, I thought it would

pass, but it hasn't.

Thanks for helping me deal with my insecurities!

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Yes he is exclusively breastfed, never had anything else except a taste of

avacado, sweet potato, and pears. We are starting solids soon but other than

that, all momma milk!

I did not know that. I mean I know breastmilk is awesome, so that's just one

more thing to add to the list.

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RE: Meningitis

Meningitis (HiB) was the last one for me too, before I gave up the worry

about vaccinating. Sheri is right-if you take a look at those resources,

you will see how the vaccine does not work. Do you breastfeed? The IgA

in breastmilk physically prevents the attachment of the organism to the

hair in the nostrils.

[Guest guest]

Are you talking about the HIB? I don't have any links, but I remember

my former pediatrician trying to bully me into this one, and when I

stalled for time (was still too afraid to confront her at that point)

and said I wanted to wait until he was at least a year old, she said

the disease " was not a big threat anymore at that point. " (Same with

pertussis, by the way)

Which confirmed my decision not to do it.

So if it's any comfort, you only have to be anxious / insecure another

six months or so!

; )

P.S. Hi Sheri -- good to be back.

[Guest guest]

At 06:51 PM 1/25/2006 -0000, you wrote:

>Are you talking about the HIB? I don't have any links, but I remember

>my former pediatrician trying to bully me into this one, and when I

>stalled for time (was still too afraid to confront her at that point)

>and said I wanted to wait until he was at least a year old, she said

>the disease " was not a big threat anymore at that point. " (Same with

>pertussis, by the way)

>

>Which confirmed my decision not to do it.

>

>So if it's any comfort, you only have to be anxious / insecure another

>six months or so!

>

>; )

>

>

>

>P.S. Hi Sheri -- good to be back.

Which is this - don't recognize your email address!

Sheri

>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I forgot -- LOTS of changes in the past year... my old email

was jmorriso@...

still catching up on stuff,

> >Are you talking about the HIB? I don't have any links, but I

remember

> >my former pediatrician trying to bully me into this one, and when

I

> >stalled for time (was still too afraid to confront her at that

point)

> >and said I wanted to wait until he was at least a year old, she

said

> >the disease " was not a big threat anymore at that point. " (Same

with

> >pertussis, by the way)

> >

> >Which confirmed my decision not to do it.

> >

> >So if it's any comfort, you only have to be anxious / insecure

another

> >six months or so!

> >

> >; )

> >

> >

> >

> >P.S. Hi Sheri -- good to be back.

>

> Which is this - don't recognize your email address!

> Sheri

> >

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@t... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

> OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS

ALONE.

> ******

> " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside

down.

> Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities

destroy

> knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy

information

> and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

>

[Guest guest]

>

> My sisters daughter is 4 months pregnant and has been ill with

fevers and such for a couple of weeks. She was just diagnosed with

Meningitis today.

>

> My sister has been reading your information for about a month or two

now. She has been staying with her daughter for the last two weeks

while she has been ill and has begun to help her work on her nutrition

> little by little. She started the electrolyte drink last week.

> Any suggestions Bee? Thanks so much. Debra NW

==>Yes, good nature-made foods, including bone broths, homemade soups,

Bee's egg drink, meats, butter, lard, coconut oil, cod liver oil,

vitamin E, Cal/Mag, vitamin C, B vitamins, etc., and she shouldn't

have any of the foods we list as no-nos. She needs to get nutrients

and eliminate toxic sources to build up her immune system.

Bee

[Guest guest]

,

We were told we needed a booster shot in 5 years so I had my

pediatrician put it in my daughter's chart for us. My guess is that

parents are not intentionally neglecting or forgetting to do it, it's

just tough to remember when there's such a huge timespan between shots.

It would be nice if our cochlear implant surgeons sent out postcard (or

email) reminders like the dentist does when you need to make an

appointment to come in.

Just my two cents!

a

[Guest guest]

Hi a,

Children need booster shots, and perhaps more often than 5 years. Do

check with the pediatrician. It's because they get a Prevnar shot.

Adults who get Pneumovax have the 5 year or maybe never (according to the

2 Drs I consulted).

I know what you mean about sending a reminder. AGAIN, I'm late with

the sales tax. Used to be filed in February and July. Now it's January

and June. And of course I filed today, which is way after January 23rd

deadline. Plus they never send me the forms.

Getting harder to remember all the stuff we need to know.

BUT the good news is...I've found everything I lost in December. At

the end of the year I'd lost a 3 month supply of blood pressure meds, a

calendar with all the birthdays and important dates on it, AND my

property tax bill. Remembered I'd given the property bill to someone to

copy, found the calendar on a shelf sometime in late January and

yesterday found the prescription that had rolled off the counter and into

the cutlery drawer. Was rummaging around wondering if I needed the

garlic press and 4 measuring cups in that drawer, and suddenly there was

the Rx. Believe me, I was going NUTS trying to figure out where I put

the Rx. And it was going to cost me $120 to replace, instead of the $15

I paid for it. So there is a God, and sometimes He lets us remember

where we put things.