Bismuth

[Guest guest]

Bismuth showed up in my hair at a high level after I had my alamgams

replaced with BISFIL composite fillings. I don't believe that BISFIL

contains bismuth, but the DDI report mentioned that bismuth is an

ingredient of dental cement. My wife also had a significant bismuth

reading in her hair. Neither of us showed any bismuth in urine. I

wonder if any of the parents who noted high bismuth in their

children's hair, had white fillings put in prior to the tests.

If it turns out that we now have bismuth in our mouths, I hope that

it is more stable than mercury in amalgams. There certainly does

seem to be any coming out via the kidney. Does anyone know if this has

been investigated?

>

> Bismuth was the only metal that was high on my sons hair analysis

> also. I know mercury doesn't always show, so we are still chelating,

> but how many others have had high Bismuth? My son's was off the

> charts! Kaye

> ************

> I've researched bismuth before and posted what I found. Here

is

> something from my files. Bismuth is toxic, and needs to be dealt

with,

> but look into options. Might search archives for my previous posts.

> DMSA may not be best option. Some info:

>

> Bismuth

>

> high affinity for sulfur; similar in toxicity and carcinogenicity

to

> nickel

> http://www.highfiber.com/~galenvtp/vtlmtltb.htm

>

> & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & &

> . Accumulation of bismuth within the

> body may result in a serious side effect

> known as bismuth encephalopathy

> or bismuth toxicity. Symptoms of bismuth

> toxicity include confusion,

> sleepiness, forgetfulness, irritability,

> tremors, difficulty walking, loss of

> balance, seizures or any other central

> nervous system (CNS) symptoms.

> Accumulation of bismuth within the body

is a

> rare event ...

>

> & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & & &

> BISMUTH TOXICITY MASQUERADING AS ALZHEIMER'S DEMENTIA

>

> By K. Summers, MD

> CASE REPORT

> Journal of Alzheimer's Disease – 1998

> ABSTRACT:

>

> A 76-year old white married female had rapid onset dementia with

> myoclonus and was admitted to an HMO hospital where she was

initially

> diagnosed as Alzheimer's Disease. The physician-husband suggested

that

> the condition might be due to the Pepto-Bismol which she had taken

> chronically to control her irritable bowel syndrome. An elevated

serum

> bismuth level of 242 ug/L (normal is 5 ug/L) established bismuth

> toxicity as the cause of the dementia. With treatment the patient

> returned to a normal mental state. The possibility of bismuth

> encephalopathy needs to be considered in the differential diagnosis

of

> possible Alzheimer's dementia.

>

> INTRODUCTION:

>

> Bismuth was used in medicinal salves as early as 1733, and

internally

> for treatment of spasmodic bowels by the 1790s. Bismuth preparations

are

> generally considered very safe and are often taken without knowledge

of

> possible, albeit rare, neurotoxicity. Bierer's review of bismuth

> subsalicylate (Pepto-Bismol) states that there have been no cases of

> neurotoxicity in the United States (1). However, Gordon et al.

Reported

> a case of a 54-year old man with suspected bismuth encephalopathy

who

> had taken between 4 - 16 oz of Pepto-Bismol per day (1.04-4.16

mg/day

> of bismuth) intermittently over many years to control

gastrointestinal

> upset and diarrhea (2). Unfortunately, the diagnosis was not

suspected

> until the 35th day after the onset of his confusion, and the serum

> bismuth level was only 3.6 ug/L in the serum. Typically bismuth

> encephalopathy does not occur without serum levels above 150 ug/L

(7).

> We report here the case of bismuth encephalopathy with a serum

bismuth

> level of 242 ug/L which was initially incorrectly diagnosed as

> Alzheimer's disease.

>

> CASE REPORT

>

> On February 29, 1996, a 76-year old Caucasian female was admitted to

a

> local HMO hospital with a one-week history of progressive confusion,

> poor appetite, disturbed sleep and muscle twitching. Her

> physician-husband noted that she became lost in their retirement

complex

> when

> attempting to do the laundry and that she complained of feeling like

> " coming out of a binge " . She would take up to an hour to figure out

how

> to put on her pajamas. Pertinent negatives included no history of

fever,

> stiff neck, headache, emesis, diarrhea or alcohol abuse.

>

> The past medical history was of migraine headaches, gastritis

secondary

> to aspirin, Sjogren's disease, multiple food allergies with

> malabsorption of wheat, corn, milk and citrus products, and

> hypothyroidism. Trials on pancreases in the past did not help the

> malabsorption. Her medications on admission were Inderal 10 mg bid

for

> migraine, Armor thyroid 2 gr. QAM, premarin 0.625 mg qAM, Geritol

> multiple vitamin qAM, stress tablet

> biw, benign class; that is inorganic salts which are insoluble in

water

> (3).

>

> An " epidemic outbreak " of over 1,000 cases of bismuth encephalopathy

> were reported between 1973-1980 in France and Australia (2).

Seventy-two

> of these intoxications were fatal. Most occurred with chronic hgh

dose

> use of bismuth subnitrate or bismuth subgallate (3). Since

> 1980, case reports of bismuth encephalopathy have been infrequent.

> Nevertheless, there is higher risk of such cases because of the

ready

> availability of bismuth salts and the increased use of Bismuth

> preparations in the treatment of Heliobacter pylori related gastric

and

> duodenal

> ulcers (4).

>

> In consideration of this specific patient, the diagnosis should have

> been suspected from the outset. Alzheimer's disease is an

unrelenting

> progressive neurodegenerative disorder of insidious onset that leads

to

> death on average 8 years after onset. Myoclonus is a very late and

> infrequent feature of Alzheimer's disease. Bismuth toxicity

typically

> presents subacutely with mental changes of memory loss, psychosis

and

> depression with a prominent background of ataxia, tremors, myoclonus

and

> seizures (4).In the present case the onset was about a week,

> myoclonus was a prominent feature, and although unstated in the

initial

> HMO evaluation, it was obvious that the patient had ataxia. The

present

> case is a testimony for the need of differential diagnosis

evaluation of

> the demented patient. All too often, the diagnosis of Alzheimer's is

> casually assigned. This practice must be discouraged. This case also

> points out the role of active treatment of the dementia aspects of

> patients. She was able to return to a normal life possibly months

before

> anticipated because of the use of Tacrine. Finally, this case

> exemplifies why it is

> logical that bismuth becomes one of the metals tested in the " Heavy

> metal screen. "

>

> References:

>

> Bierer DW, Bismuth Subsalicylate: History, Chemistry, and Safety,

> Reviews of Infectious Disease 12 supp (1990) S3-S8.

>

> Gordon MF, Abrams RI, Rubin DB, Barr WB, Correa DD, Bismuth

> Subsalicylate toxicity as a case of prolonged encephalopathy with

> myoclonus,

> Movement Disorders 10 (2) (1995) 220-222.

>

> Serfontein WJ, Mekel R, Bismuth toxicity in man II. Research

> Communications in Chemical Pathology and Pharmacology, 26 (2) (1979)

> 391-411.

>

> Shreeve DR, A double-blind study of tripotassium di-citrano

bismuthate

> in duodenal ulcer, Postgraduate Medicine Journal 51 (Suppl 5) (1975)

> 33-36.

>

> Slikkerveer A De Wolff FA, Pharmacokinetics an toxicity of bismuth

> compounds, Medical Toxicity and Adverse Drug Experience 4 (5) (1989)

> 303-323.

>

> Summers WK, DeBoynton VL, Marsh GM, Majovski LJ, Comparison of seven

> psychometric instruments used for evaluation of treatment effect

> in Alzheimer's disease, Neuroepidemiology 9 (1990) 193-207.

>

> Supino-Viterbo V, Sicard C, Risvegliato M, Rancurel G, Buge A, Toxic

> encephalopathy due to ingestion of bismuth salts: clinical and EEG

> studies of 45 patients, Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery, and

> Psychiatry 40 (1977) 748-752

>

> The NM Senior Citizen News publishes these articles monthly.

> You can pick up a copy of the paper at your closest New Mexico

Senior

> Citizen Center.

> ****************

> Bernie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/3/2002 11:44:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

iwright@... writes:

> Another web-site said poor cordination and accident-proneness may be due to

> bismuth poisoning.

Wow!!! Thanks for the info. My son has poor coordination and sometimes

walks pigeontoed.

Make-up and Pepto are not suspect here, but I'm wondering if it is

from our dishes. I have ceramic dishes with a lot of a design and color on

them. Do you think it could be getting absorbed into his food? I think I'll

look for special dishes for him. He's now off of all his supplements, but

some were for his gastrointestinal system. Do you think kirkmanlabs would

make pills with a lot of Bismuth?

Where are you looking on the internet for this information? And what

can be done about it? It there something I can give him?

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

yes, our bismuth is very high, too. I have read that it is in

stomach meds... I used to take a lot of tums during pregnancy but I

don't know if these contained bismuth or not.

W

> Hi everyone. I am new to this group. We are working on healing my

3

> year old son's gut, and currently researching chelation therapy. My

> son's hair test indicated that he had high levels of various toxic

> metals, (enough to put him in the 95th percentile overall) I am

> working to find out where these metals originated from so I can

> eliminate further consumption. The one metal that he was off the

> charts on was Bismuth, and I can't figure out the exposure. Anyone

> else experience this problem? Thanks GTealer

[Guest guest]

There was some information on this board on Bismuth recently, but as it doesn't

apply to my family, I can't remember. You might want to put Bismuth in the

search box on top of the messages.

Dagmar.

[ ] Bismuth

Hi everyone. I am new to this group. We are working on healing my 3

year old son's gut, and currently researching chelation therapy. My

son's hair test indicated that he had high levels of various toxic

metals, (enough to put him in the 95th percentile overall) I am

working to find out where these metals originated from so I can

eliminate further consumption. The one metal that he was off the

charts on was Bismuth, and I can't figure out the exposure. Anyone

else experience this problem? Thanks GTealer

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/2/2003 11:16:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,

vze2b8z3@... writes:

> my 3 yr olds son's bismuth was very high as well and we were puzzled

> by it until someone posted that Balmex had bismuth in it. Balmex was

> a normal part of our diaper changing routine.

>

> Ben

>

It's also in cosmetics. I felt I have have contaminated my son's hair

samples when I cut it myself to send to lab. I probably should have thought

to use gloves, but since I wear make-up, I could have very easily rubbed my

face before cutting samples and that would explain the very, very high

reading of bismuth. Otherwise, everything else was in the normal range.

Dorothy

[Guest guest]

> Hi everyone. I am new to this group. We are working on healing my

3

> year old son's gut, and currently researching chelation therapy. My

> son's hair test indicated that he had high levels of various toxic

> metals, (enough to put him in the 95th percentile overall) I am

> working to find out where these metals originated from so I can

> eliminate further consumption. The one metal that he was off the

> charts on was Bismuth, and I can't figure out the exposure. Anyone

> else experience this problem? Thanks GTeal

my 3 yr olds son's bismuth was very high as well and we were puzzled

by it until someone posted that Balmex had bismuth in it. Balmex was

a normal part of our diaper changing routine.

Ben

[Guest guest]

> Hi everyone. I am new to this group. We are working on healing my

3

> year old son's gut, and currently researching chelation therapy.

My

> son's hair test indicated that he had high levels of various toxic

> metals, (enough to put him in the 95th percentile overall) I am

> working to find out where these metals originated from so I can

> eliminate further consumption. The one metal that he was off the

> charts on was Bismuth, and I can't figure out the exposure.

Anyone

> else experience this problem? Thanks GTealer

you could check for sources of metals, here:

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

best,

Moria

[Guest guest]

That is interesting, I took a lot of tums as well. I don't think

they contain bismuth though?? Anyone know for sure?? Gerriann T

> > Hi everyone. I am new to this group. We are working on healing

my

> 3

> > year old son's gut, and currently researching chelation therapy.

My

> > son's hair test indicated that he had high levels of various

toxic

> > metals, (enough to put him in the 95th percentile overall) I am

> > working to find out where these metals originated from so I can

> > eliminate further consumption. The one metal that he was off the

> > charts on was Bismuth, and I can't figure out the exposure.

Anyone

> > else experience this problem? Thanks GTealer

[Guest guest]

Tums do no contain bismuth. Pepto bismol and knock-off products do.

Andy . . .. . . . . . . . .

>

> That is interesting, I took a lot of tums as well. I don't think

> they contain bismuth though?? Anyone know for sure?? Gerriann T

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > Hi everyone. I am new to this group. We are working on healing

> my

> > 3

> > > year old son's gut, and currently researching chelation therapy.

> My

> > > son's hair test indicated that he had high levels of various

> toxic

> > > metals, (enough to put him in the 95th percentile overall) I am

> > > working to find out where these metals originated from so I can

> > > eliminate further consumption. The one metal that he was off

the

> > > charts on was Bismuth, and I can't figure out the exposure.

> Anyone

> > > else experience this problem? Thanks GTeal

[Guest guest]

Last year our 9 y/o son began showing high levels of bismuth in hair,

urine and stool tests about a month after having oral surgery,

wherein two temporary stainless steel caps were placed as molars to

adjust for permanent teeth spacing. Since our son does not take

Pepto Bismol we assume the caps caused the increase. The high levels

of bismuth were significantly reduced to normal range within a couple

of months during chelation with DMSA (and Alpha Lipoic Acid). Below

is what Doctor's Data Inc. states in our lab report re bismuth. Hope

this is useful. Wanda

This individuals's urine bismuth exceeds 5x the maximum expected

level. Urine is the major excretion mode for bismuth, and this high

level reflects a high dose or body burden of the element. However,

toxicity of bismuth is slight and manifestations occur only when gram

quantities of a bioavailable form are absorbed.

Bismuth is a byproduct of lead and copper ore refining. Bismuth has

therapeutic uses with antimicrobial, anti-secretory and anti-

inflammatory actions. Bismuth subsalicylate ( " Pepto-Bismol " )

hydrolyzes in the stomach to salicylic acid and insoluable bismuth;

it can be effective in halting traveler's diarrhea. Historically,

bismuth was used to treat syphillis.

Bismuth is used commercially in low-melting-point alloys and solders

and is commonly in " automatic " sprinkler heads for in building fire

protection. Bismuth often is a component of: pigments, paints, glazes

for ceramics, glass and some semiconductor materials. Some cosmetics

including lipstick may contain bismuth oxides as a pigment

(pearlescent white). Dry cell battery electrodes (cathode) may

contain bismuth.

Early signs of bismuth excess are: constipation or bowel

irregularity, foul breath, skin pigmentation changes, and gum

pigmentation (blue-black) with stomatitis. With increased exposure

and body burden, pathological changes can occur: erythema and skin

sores, irritation of mucous membranes, nephritis, nephrosis with

proteinuria and degeneration of proximal tubules, hepatitis with

jaundice with fatty changes in the liver, an " bismuth encephalophy "

with mental confusion, clumsiness, myoclonic jerks, tremors,

and dysarthria. These acute symptoms are expected only with repeated

ingestion of high doses (gram amounts) of soluble bismuth compounds.

Laboratory tests that help to assess bismuth status are whole blood

and hair element analyses. Some increase in urine bismuth may follow

detoxification treatment with sulfhydryl agents (DMPS, DMSA, D-

penicillamine).

BIBLIOGRAPHY FOR BISMUTH

1. on's Principles of Internal Medicine, 13th ed, McGraw Hill,

New York, NY pp. 282, 534, 1994.

2. Tsalev D.L. and Z.K. Zaprianov Atomic Absorption Spectrometry in

Occupational and Environmental Health Practice CRC Press, Boca Raton

FL, pp 101-103, 1983.

3. Carson B.L. et al. Toxicology and Biological Monitoring of Metals

in Humans Publishers, Chelsea MI pp 44-7, 1987.

> > > Hi everyone. I am new to this group. We are working on healing

> my

> > 3

> > > year old son's gut, and currently researching chelation

therapy.

> My

> > > son's hair test indicated that he had high levels of various

> toxic

> > > metals, (enough to put him in the 95th percentile overall) I

am

> > > working to find out where these metals originated from so I can

> > > eliminate further consumption. The one metal that he was off

the

> > > charts on was Bismuth, and I can't figure out the exposure.

> Anyone

> > > else experience this problem? Thanks GTealer

[Guest guest]

it is also in the dental cements we use.....Cheri

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/5/2003 10:19:34 PM Central Daylight Time,

siannuzzi@... writes:

> There's bismuth in alot of antacids, makeup, and

> Balmex.

>

that's helpful, I used a ton of Balmex on my child.......still do for chapped

lips and cheeks...and his Bismuth is very high. No more Balmex for us!.

claire

[Guest guest]

,

There are others on this list with kids with high bismuth. Try searching the

archives. Sources of exposure include PeptoBismal and make-up.

S

I have been trying to find ANY information on the significance of <BR>

high bismuth in autism.. all the references I have found say " non <BR>

toxic "   (did I miss one in the file section??  My son has very high <BR>

bismuth and it seems common in the autism community?? any thoughts?? <BR>

Thanks,<BR>

<BR>

=======================================================<BR>

[Guest guest]

Bismuth is known to cause encephalopathy (brain disease) if absorbed

systemically.

I have run across a few cases of autistic kids whose tests indicate

bismuth and nothing else, and a few who indicate bismuth and mercury.

I have also run across a few adult cases with bismuth, or bismuth plus

mercury. These people can have serious health problems, the stuff can

do a job on you.

I haven't really tracked down how to remove it, but DMSA + ALA is a

good guess.

Andy . . . . . . . . .

> I have been trying to find ANY information on the significance of

> high bismuth in autism.. all the references I have found say " non

> toxic " (did I miss one in the file section?? My son has very high

> bismuth and it seems common in the autism community?? any thoughts??

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/6/2003 9:42:59 AM Central Daylight Time,

siannuzzi@... writes:

> ,

> I'm sorry, I was referring to Balmex diaper rash

> ointment. I don't know if the lip balm has bismuth.

>

>

susan so was I. My son used to lick his lips till they were chapped with a

red ring all the way around his mouth...and the wind would chap his cheeks....I

never found anything that would heal that over night except Balmex. But it's

out the door now.

[Guest guest]

> I have been trying to find ANY information on the significance of

> high bismuth in autism.. all the references I have found say " non

> toxic " (did I miss one in the file section?? My son has very high

> bismuth and it seems common in the autism community??

You can check info on my page here

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that it's also in some make-up.

S

>

Interestingly enough, I looked back at our Bismuth reading (three <BR>

rounds of hair tests).  I was always wondering about Bismuth myself.  <BR>

My kids had OK results with Bismuth before I started supplementation <BR>

(after being on a diet GF/CF).  Then after about 3-4 months on major <BR>

supplementation their Bismuth excretion in their hair increased a lot <BR>

to a notable amount.  And at the last testing, it remained notable.<BR>

<BR>

My personal Bismuth reading went from low before I started <BR>

supplementation to notable.<BR>

<BR>

I never used Balmex (for me (ha ha ha) or my kids.  We used Desitin (I <BR>

don't know the Bismuth content of Desitin).  From some research it <BR>

seemed that Bismuth shows up in pottery.  As my everyday plates are <BR>

Italian handmade plates, I thought this could be a source.  But, my <BR>

kids don't eat of these, I do.  However, this would not rule out the <BR>

plates as I did carry each of the children for 9 months while eating on <BR>

the plates.  I personally have no idea, but this was all I could come <BR>

up with.<BR>

<BR>

Also, I have a strong microwave and when I put my plates in there <BR>

(don't worry, I don't do this anymore), the plate heats up before the <BR>

food or liquid.  Wouldn't this make you think that possibly there is a <BR>

metal in them?<BR>

<BR>

How many of you with Bismuth problems have plates that heat up in the <BR>

microwave, for you or your child?<BR>

<BR>

Sincerely, Maureen<BR>

<BR>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Maureen,

I think it's possible but how do we find out?I thought my plates had lead in

them because they heated up in the microwave but I tested for lead and it's

negative.

R

[Guest guest]

sorry all just a thought but if Pepto-bismol has bismuth in it & it is known to

help with heartburn (among other things) could Tums also contain bismuth? I know

alot of women take it during pregnancy for heartburn.??? sorry just a

questioning thought in passing.It's also something about 98% of people have in

thier houses at any given time & don't really think much of having.

Dori

Maureen Block <moblock@...> wrote:

I don't wear makeup, but I do color my hair, but didn't during

pregnancy. Also, we don't use many " products " in our house, if at all.

Both kids had Bismuth excretion in their hair increase substantially

after beginning supplementation. Mine did too. So, did adequate

supplementation increase the excretion of what was in our body or do

the kind of things we recommend to take for our kids, i.e., vitamins,

minerals and herbs, probiotics, etc. have bismuth? I still am

wondering about the china/microwave possible relationship.

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[Guest guest]

Is she on bottled water? As it can be a part of plumbing applications

so it can be in your water. Any metal alloys she is exposed too? Toys

with metal on them? I am high is bismuth myself but attribute this to

my heavy use of pepto bismol when I was younger. I would starte

examining everything she comes in contact with. Car keys, door knobs,

toys, etc. You never know.

Sources of bismuth:

Used in solders, a variety of other alloys, metallurgical additives,

medications, and in atomic research. In the early 1990's, research

began on the evaluation of bismuth as a nontoxic replacement for lead

in such uses as ceramic glazes, fishing sinkers, food processing

equipment, free-machining brasses for plumbing applications,

lubricating greases, and shot for waterfowl hunting.

Dietary sources: Pepto bismol.

>

> I was wondering if someone might be able to tell me where my 14-month

> old daughter's bismuth might be coming from. Her hair test shows it

> at 8.4 and the range is .14 -- she is off the chart.

>

> I have read that it is sometimes in diaper rash cream. I've only used

> Burt's Bees and California Baby diaper rash cream on her. They don't

> list it as an ingredient. I do not use any other lotions or powder

> on her. I don't give her any medicines.

>

> Thanks for any help you can give me.

>

> Tammy

>

[Guest guest]

My son is ASD (he is 3) so I've been very careful with my daughter.

She is on bottled water and all organic food.

I checked Andy's counting rules and she doesn't meet them (she is not

vaccinated). The only thing that appears odd on the test is the bismuth.

Thanks for the reply -- I appreciate your help!

> >

> > I was wondering if someone might be able to tell me where my 14-month

> > old daughter's bismuth might be coming from. Her hair test shows it

> > at 8.4 and the range is .14 -- she is off the chart.

> >

> > I have read that it is sometimes in diaper rash cream. I've only used

> > Burt's Bees and California Baby diaper rash cream on her. They don't

> > list it as an ingredient. I do not use any other lotions or powder

> > on her. I don't give her any medicines.

> >

> > Thanks for any help you can give me.

> >

> > Tammy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Most makeup has Bismuth, very hard to find makeup without it.

Bismuth at high levels can cause some problems. The good news it is pretty

easily chelated out with dmsa/ala on a proper protocol.

[ ] Bismuth

I was wondering if someone might be able to tell me where my 14-month

old daughter's bismuth might be coming from. Her hair test shows it

at 8.4 and the range is .14 -- she is off the chart.

I have read that it is sometimes in diaper rash cream. I've only used

Burt's Bees and California Baby diaper rash cream on her. They don't

list it as an ingredient. I do not use any other lotions or powder

on her. I don't give her any medicines.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

Hi , from my reading bismuth is not very

toxic. I really do not think the bismuth that

might have been in dye for my hair caused me to

absorb that much bismuth. If it did, I won't

ever highlight my hair again. I bet the bismuth

was *on my hair, like a hair spray might be. I

get highlights every now and then and last hair

analysis I had close to no bismuth at all. If I

usually ABSORB bismuth from coloring, then it

must leave the system pretty easily to have none

last test. Last test was two years ago but I

probably had some highlighting that year. The

test was a urine test though so if bismuth is ON

my hair then it would not show up. It was a

urine challenge test with DMSA. DMSA is supposed

to chelate bismuth, so if there was any bismuth

in my system, it should have brought it or some

of it out and it brought none out. This is what

I think anyway. I had just had my hair

highlighted two weeks before test. I'm not going

to highlight hair anymore for awhile so that next

one inch I cut of hair will not have any hair dye

for sure. I'll let you all know outcome of that

if you are interested. I'm just trying to figure

it out myself but I don't think that is result of

dye being absorbed.

--- Meade <jenniferdmeade@...>

wrote:

> So, does this mean that if we dyed our hair

> while pregnant (like me, Dr. said it was fine

> tho I've regretted doing it for years

> afterward) that this could be the source of

> exposure

[Guest guest]

Yes, please let me know if you don't mind. Thank you so much :-)

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote: Hi , from my reading bismuth is

not very

toxic. I really do not think the bismuth that

might have been in dye for my hair caused me to

absorb that much bismuth. If it did, I won't

ever highlight my hair again. I bet the bismuth

was *on my hair, like a hair spray might be. I

get highlights every now and then and last hair

analysis I had close to no bismuth at all. If I

usually ABSORB bismuth from coloring, then it

must leave the system pretty easily to have none

last test. Last test was two years ago but I

probably had some highlighting that year. The

test was a urine test though so if bismuth is ON

my hair then it would not show up. It was a

urine challenge test with DMSA. DMSA is supposed

to chelate bismuth, so if there was any bismuth

in my system, it should have brought it or some

of it out and it brought none out. This is what

I think anyway. I had just had my hair

highlighted two weeks before test. I'm not going

to highlight hair anymore for awhile so that next

one inch I cut of hair will not have any hair dye

for sure. I'll let you all know outcome of that

if you are interested. I'm just trying to figure

it out myself but I don't think that is result of

dye being absorbed.

--- Meade <jenniferdmeade@...>

wrote:

> So, does this mean that if we dyed our hair

> while pregnant (like me, Dr. said it was fine

> tho I've regretted doing it for years

> afterward) that this could be the source of

> exposure

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Does anyone know if there is any indoor air source for Bismuth? A hair analysis

I had done awhile back had a high level of Bismuth. I looked up said cosmetic

but also medicine I believe. I don't use cosmetics but I could look into one

medicine I take but kind of doubt it will list fillers and inactive agents. I

looked up soot and coal because attic is very sooty but don't see anything

there. Anyone else got that result on hair analyis? Very high. Doctor was

surprised and didn't know what source of Bismuth would be.