Re: a cage for nerve damage ? it hurt like jawzaa!-- Brain Mapping

[Guest guest]

I didn't realize that an EEG would hurt. Was it because needles were used

instead of a sticky patch?

I hope this is okay to add as the topic reminded me of something I'd listened to

recently and had forgotten to share with the group. I heard an teleseminar on

" www.lymehope.com " that led me to wonder if it could be of any benefit to those

of us who have been impacted by mold and other toxic exposures.

Helena Kerekhazi spoke of the positive effects of brain mapping as a means of

identifying specific areas of brain damage that could aid in the ability to not

only identify areas affected, but could also help identify what protocols could

be used to help relieve the effects of the brain an nerve damage. 

I believe that brain mapping is done via an EEG and she had mentioned it as a

painless process. But I guess that is not so.

She talked about this being useful for other brain damage issues like

concussions. I think the idea is that nerve or brain trauma of a variety origins

might be aided. She also mentioned a non-invasive treatment that can be done to

help the brain recover and of course, I think it is called Neuro-feedback. I've

only emailed her once but have found her to be very nice. From the seminar she

seems to have a solid grasp of the protocols. I know at times there's been

mention of mold exposure having a similar effect as that of lyme. (am I correct

here?) and if this is so, could it also be helped by brain mapping and

neuro-feedback?

If you got to this link, you'll find the tele-seminar. I think it is worth a

listen. There is also a link that can take you to her own web page,

" http://www.biocare-inc.com/ " . 

She says she can do some work with people long distance if you can't see her in

NY where she is located. But I'm not sure what that involves. I've emailed her a

bit already and found her to be kind and helpful. We are going to have to save

our pennies to get any treatment done like this. As I have lyme and mold issues,

it is something I intend to look into further. But was wondering if it might be

helpful for people with just mold and/or toxic exposure?

I think it is worth a listen. Any thoughts?

Thanks,Sam 

EEG and yes it is painful.  Doc told me you can say something.  So I yelled

crap,,,,,,,, he said you can do better than that !!  LOL

[Guest guest]

Jeez am such a space cadet. Here is the direct link for the

tele-seminar.  " http://www.lymehope.com/audio.html "

[Guest guest]

An EEG is an 'electro_encephalo_gram' where they put patches on your head to

pick up brain waves and is not painful.

A neurologist tested the nerves in my leg and it was very painful but was not an

EEG. He didn't put patches on leg to RECEIVE info, he actually put a pin or

needle that applied a small amt of electricity TO my nerve and it was quit

painful. I won't let anyone do that again. I think applying electricity to a

nerve that has some damage can do more damage or damage a perfectly good nerve.

I think the test is barbaric. It seems they could use a device to 'pick up'

evidence of nerve impulse without applying electricity. Each application made

my nerve/leg jump. I told him to stop finally.

I don't remember what he called it besides a test of my nerves but could be one

of these:

http://www.spineuniverse.com/exams-tests/diagnostic-tests-bone-density-nerve-fun\

ction

However these all sound better than test I had but they do mention in EMG for

example, and NCV (nerve velocity test) can be painful. EEG is similar to EKG

(heart test, where they only detect activity and trace it onto a screen, and no

electricity is transmitted TO your heart).

>

> I didn't realize that an EEG would hurt. Was it because needles were used

instead of a sticky patch?

[Guest guest]

HI, Dr. Gray referred us to Dr. Crago in Tuscan AZ to do

a brain mapping, EEG, it was totally painless, not needles,but sticky

patches, the only thing my sick family member complained about was that

the cap that held the sticky patches tightly in place was " tight " but he

got used to that, the whole process took about an hour. The brain

mapping identifies areas in the brain that aren't working well, and also

can guide treatment. I am waiting to get neuropsych referrals in our

area who could do the " brain retraining " recommended by Dr. Crago, who

has mapped many of Dr. Gray's mold patients I think.

One thing I have learned is that not all neuropsychs are created equal,

some understand that toxic exposures, including mold, affect the brain

and specialize in treating these patients, while most are clueless.

Sue V.

>I didn't realize that an EEG would hurt. Was it because needles were

>used instead of a sticky patch?

>I hope this is okay to add as the topic reminded me of something I'd

>listened to recently and had forgotten to share with the group. I heard

>an teleseminar

[Guest guest]

> I dont think they would use the needles in the brain area, ?

but yes, with the PNS damage the needle method is the most painful thing I've

dealt with. never again! I about peed my pants.

I take that back, the most painful was wakeing up during my hisderectomy with my

stomach sliced open. but the pain of both were closely equal. oh , than there

was the also the hospital here, tring to give me a steroid shot in a highly

inflamed spinal cord.

so, of the three shots they planed on giving me I got one, the first one, it

made me hurt so bad I delayed the next shot, than it wasn't done because

frankly, I scared the crap out of the doctor with my responce to just him tring

to insert the needle. you cant fake tears rushing out of your eyes like that.

thats pain.

I'd say they were all about equally painful on the scale++++10.

no wonder I have a fear/hate of doctors and hospitals.

what a person goes through because of their toxic mold exposure not being

reconized, at the hands of some doctors can be very painful.

no doubt in my mind what effect my exposure played in all three of these painful

ordeals, done during and after my exposure.

I have a very big hate for my family doctor that basicly put me through some of

this because of his lack of listening and doing tests he should have done

instead of just assumeing he knew.

when a chiropractor says you have inflamation in the back, what part of do a

spinal tap does a doctor not reconize?

I think it is a EEG with the needles too, just different method.

> >

> > I didn't realize that an EEG would hurt. Was it because needles were used

instead of a sticky patch?

>

[Guest guest]

I am looking for the correct name of the test.  The EEG is the brain test. 

http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/electroencephalogram-eeg-21508

 

Ok so what I found is that the nerve conuctivity test EMG is the one with the

needles which hurts, for me anyways.  So I was wrong in sayig it was an EEG

Sorry.  Did not mean to confuse anyone.

Measuring the electrical activity in muscles and nerves can help find diseases

that damage muscle tissue (such as muscular dystrophy) or nerves (such as

amyotrophic lateral sclerosis or peripheral neuropathies). EMG and nerve

conduction studies are often done together to give more complete information. 

http://www.webmd.com/brain/electromyogram-emg-and-nerve-conduction-studies

Neuropsych Testing:

http://www.brainsource.com/npassmnt.htm

 I will check out your info, Thanks for the link.  I have to go to testing

today. 

 

http://cognitivetestingservices.com/pdf-sample-qeeg-report.pdf

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

the patch is painless. or when I had it done at shoemakers, I didn't have the

" dont touch me it hurts syndrome at it's worse " going on really bad at that

time, that kicked in on the way home. I dont know if the patch would hurt with

that going on or not. probably somewhat more, but I dought it would be even

close to the needle effects.

but I think you can have some CNS damage without haveing much PNS damage, but

maybe thats with other diseases because it seems to me the toxin exposure works

on both pretty hard.

>

> I didn't realize that an EEG would hurt. Was it because needles were used

instead of a sticky patch?

> I hope this is okay to add as the topic reminded me of something

[Guest guest]

I think it's still a EEG just used with needles on the lower body.

>

> I am looking for the correct name of the test.  The EEG is the brain test. 

http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/electroencephalogram-eeg-21508

>  

> Ok so what I found is that the nerve conuctivity test EMG is the one with the

needles which hurts, for me anyways.  So I was wrong in sayig it was an EEG

Sorry.  Did not mean to confuse anyone.

>

> Measuring the electrical activity in muscles and nerves can help find diseases

that damage muscle tissue (such as muscular dystrophy) or nerves (such as

amyotrophic lateral sclerosis or peripheral neuropathies). EMG and nerve

conduction studies are often done together to give more complete information. 

>

> http://www.webmd.com/brain/electromyogram-emg-and-nerve-conduction-studies

>

> Neuropsych Testing:

>

> http://www.brainsource.com/npassmnt.htm

>

>  I will check out your info, Thanks for the link.  I have to go to testing

today. 

>  

> http://cognitivetestingservices.com/pdf-sample-qeeg-report.pdf

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

[Guest guest]

I fell pretty possative that I woke up durring the hisderectomy because of the

effects my toxic mold exposure was haveing on my brain at the time. it took me a

year to heal from sergury. my lower stomach is numb.

>

> > I dont think they would use the needles in the brain area, ?

> but yes, with the PNS damage

>

[Guest guest]

the second E stands for 'encephlo' or brain. EEG is definately electro test of

brain activity. I know that for sure. EKG, the K is for 'cardio' (maybe

spelled that way in another language?) but that only refers to electro test of

the heart with patches like head.

No need to be afraid of the patches as because the patches only 'receive' neuro

signals that your body is sending out, and those are traced by machine. There

is no electro stimulation going through the patches 'to' the heart EKG or the

head EEG.

The thing I had, and I do not remember the name of it, the doctor *applied*

electricity to the nerves in my leg to see if there was a reaction and if there

was not much reaction, could tell the nerve is going dead or is block or

something wrong with it but when it touches a healthy, live nerve is painful.

> >

> > I am looking for the correct name of the test. 

[Guest guest]

I'm thinking I read some on how the CNS basicly goes into/effects the PNS, so

some probably do get some CNS damage without alot of PNS damage.

> >

> > I am looking for the correct name of the test.  The EEG is the brain

test.  http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/electroencephalogram-eeg-21508

> >  

>

[Guest guest]

Ive had that done before on my feet,ankle,lower calf area.

the mayo report says it was testing for mechanical back pain.

ok, it was a EMG

>

> the second E stands for 'encephlo' or brain. EEG is definately electro test

of brain activity. I know that for sure. EKG, the K is for 'cardio' (maybe

spelled that way in another language?) but that only refers to electro test of

the heart with patches like head.

>

> No need to be afraid of the patches as because the patches only 'receive'

neuro signals that your body is sending out, and those are traced by machine.

There is no electro stimulation going through the patches 'to' the heart EKG or

the head EEG.

>

> The thing I had, and I do not remember the name of it, the doctor *applied*

electricity to the nerves in my leg to see if there was a reaction and if there

was not much reaction, could tell the nerve is going dead or is block or

something wrong with it but when it touches a healthy, live nerve is painful.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone here with MCS ever had those patches with adhesive be placed on

their heads for the EEG???

 

 I realized the error later between EEG and EMG   Thanks !!  Any experience

with the above ??

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: barb b w <barb1283@...>

Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 1:16:18 PM

Subject: [] Re: a cage for nerve damage ? it hurt like jawzaa!--

Brain Mapping

 

An EEG is an 'electro_encephalo_ gram' where they put patches on your head to

pick up brain waves and is not painful.

A neurologist tested the nerves in my leg and it was very painful but was not an

EEG. He didn't put patches on leg to RECEIVE info, he actually put a pin or

needle that applied a small amt of electricity TO my nerve and it was quit

painful. I won't let anyone do that again. I think applying electricity to a

nerve that has some damage can do more damage or damage a perfectly good nerve.

I think the test is barbaric. It seems they could use a device to 'pick up'

evidence of nerve impulse without applying electricity. Each application made my

nerve/leg jump. I told him to stop finally.

I don't remember what he called it besides a test of my nerves but could be one

of these:

http://www.spineuniverse.com/exams-tests/diagnostic-tests-bone-density-nerve-fun\

ction

However these all sound better than test I had but they do mention in EMG for

example, and NCV (nerve velocity test) can be painful. EEG is similar to EKG

(heart test, where they only detect activity and trace it onto a screen, and no

electricity is transmitted TO your heart).

>

> I didn't realize that an EEG would hurt. Was it because needles were used

instead of a sticky patch?

[Guest guest]

I have. You feel nothing during test. Won't bother you, unless you are

sensitive to the glue or something.

>

> Has anyone here with MCS ever had those patches with adhesive be placed on

their heads for the EEG???

>  

>  I realized the error later between EEG and EMG   Thanks !!  Any

experience with the above ??

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

[Guest guest]

How horrible Jeanine!!

>

> I fell pretty possative that I woke up durring the hisderectomy because of the

effects my toxic mold exposure was haveing on my brain at the time. it took me a

year to heal from sergury. my lower stomach is numb.

>

[Guest guest]

thank you !

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 2:54:04 PM

Subject: [] Re: a cage for nerve damage ? it hurt like jawzaa!--

Brain Mapping

 

I think it's still a EEG just used with needles on the lower body.

--- In

>

>  I will check out your info, Thanks for the link.  I have to go to

testing today. 

>  

> http://cognitivetes tingservices. com/pdf-sample- qeeg-report. pdf

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

[Guest guest]

the nice thing about eeg's is they just measure the electric currents

coming from your brain, pet scans involve high levels of radiation as do

cat scans. sue v

>Years ago, Mt Sinai in NY did PEC scans to determine the brain lesions

>that mold victims get. I'm not sure if that research is ongoing.

>

> Barth

>

>www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

>

>SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

>

>---

>

>s> HI, Dr. Gray referred us to Dr. Crago in Tuscan AZ to do

>s> a brain mapping, EEG, it was totally painless, not needles,but sticky

>s> patches, the only thing my sick family member complained about was that

>s> the cap that held the sticky patches tightly in place was " tight " but he

>s> got used to that, the whole process took about an hour. The brain

>s> mapping identifies areas in the brain that aren't working well, and also

>s> can guide treatment. I am waiting to get neuropsych referrals in our

>s> area who could do the " brain retraining " recommended by Dr. Crago, who

>s> has mapped many of Dr. Gray's mold patients I think.

>

>s> One thing I have learned is that not all neuropsychs are created equal,

>s> some understand that toxic exposures, including mold, affect the brain

>s> and specialize in treating these patients, while most are clueless.

>

>s> Sue V.

>

>

>>>I didn't realize that an EEG would hurt. Was it because needles were

>>>used instead of a sticky patch?

>>>I hope this is okay to add as the topic reminded me of something I'd

>>>listened to recently and had forgotten to share with the group. I heard

>>>an teleseminar

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Barbara,

Before the mold and mcs years ago I had one done due to CHI  my head hurt

really bad afterward.  They rubbed my scalp with something then placed those

sticky thingies and I had a really bad headache later, I had to go and wash my

hair and stuff.  I have a problem with adhesives.  Tape, even ban-aids. My

skin comes off.  What do you think ?? 

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: barb b w <barb1283@...>

Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 9:59:28 PM

Subject: [] Re: a cage for nerve damage ? it hurt like jawzaa!--

Brain Mapping

 

I have. You feel nothing during test. Won't bother you, unless you are sensitive

to the glue or something.

>

> Has anyone here with MCS ever had those patches with adhesive be placed on

their heads for the EEG???

>  

>  I realized the error later between EEG and EMG   Thanks !! 

Any experience with the above ??

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

[Guest guest]

sorry, it was a EMG I had, had to dig out the report.

>

> thank you !