autoimmune disease

[Guest guest]

> OK. I keep seeing people referring to autoimmune disease in the

> group ... is Psoriatic Arthritis and autoimmune disease? In the

> research I've done, I have never seen that, so I wanted to ask you

> guys ... do you know something I don't?

>

> Thanks!

> Allegra

Yes, I believe so... though simply calling it an " autoimmune " disease

is admittedly overly simiplistic. Here are some references for you to

read about it yourself:

From: http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/psoriasis/psoriafs.htm

" Recent research indicates that psoriasis is likely a disorder of the

immune system. "

See also,

http://www.psoriasis.org/d200.htm#immune_system

http://www.aad.org/pamphlets/Psoriasis.html

http://www.wpunj.edu/pa/

[Guest guest]

Ask the vet to do a Snap 3 test on her for lyme. Dogs get lyme

disease and are more at risk than we are; many don't have symptoms

until they suddenly get kidney failure. My dog had no symptoms other

than not being her spunky self (we thought she had mellowed with age)

then one morning she couldn't use her hind legs. We thought it was

hip dysplasia but the vet checked and her hips were fine. I had

asked for the Snap 3 because I had just heard about it and really

just wondered if the vets around here had them yet; the dog tested

very high for lyme, and after a week of antibiotics she was beyond

fine she was spunky and playful again. She has since relapsed once,

but not as bad, and I believe she may still have something as her

hips aren't as good as they should be, but maybe it takes awhile for

the damage to heal.

They're just beginning to identify lyme in dogs, but one thing that

is common is renal failure. In humans it causes bowel problems,

autoimmune disorders, respiratory problems, fatigue, seizures, light

sensitivity, etc. And often gets worse after surgical procedures

(though the anesthesia is very hard on them and many vets won't do

surgury on older dogs because of it!)

Many dogs respond very well to the Bones And Raw Food (BARF) diet;

mine won't eat anything raw. She will gobble down bee pollen (for

minerals and enzymes), cod liver oil, vitamin E and nutritional yeast

sprinkled on her food, tho!

I wish you luck with your dear old friend. It is hard to see them

suffer.

>

> Does anyone have any recommendations for dealing with autoimmune

disease?

> This is for my elderly dog with inflammatory bowel disease (thought

to be

> autoimmune in nature), possibly kidney disease (could be autoimmune

in

> nature), debilitating sensivity to light, seizures (controlled by

> medication), weak pulse, low body temp, generalized weakness and a

few other

> issues. Several of these things intensified greatly after she had a

> anesthesia/dental/GI endoscopy done last month. Prior to that she

was

> improving in many ways. If some of this is autoimmune in nature, I

want to

> address this as comprehensively as possible.

>

> I'm already thinking about getting glyconutrients. Any other ideas?

>

> Suze Fisher

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

[Guest guest]

>Ask the vet to do a Snap 3 test on her for lyme.

Thanks. We already did a Snap4. I know there are other tick-borne diseases

that it doesn't cover and I've considered running those. I'm really strapped

financially though and have run so many tests already.

Dogs get

>lyme disease and are more at risk than we are; many don't have

>symptoms until they suddenly get kidney failure. My dog had

>no symptoms other than not being her spunky self (we thought

>she had mellowed with age) then one morning she couldn't use

>her hind legs. We thought it was hip dysplasia but the vet

>checked and her hips were fine. I had asked for the Snap 3

>because I had just heard about it and really just wondered if

>the vets around here had them yet; the dog tested very high

>for lyme, and after a week of antibiotics she was beyond fine

>she was spunky and playful again. She has since relapsed

>once, but not as bad, and I believe she may still have

>something as her hips aren't as good as they should be, but

>maybe it takes awhile for the damage to heal.

From what I've read, it never is really *cured* but can cause symptoms when

the immune system is down.

>

>They're just beginning to identify lyme in dogs, but one thing

>that is common is renal failure.

Actuallly they've been testing dogs for Lyme disease for years now - at

least 7 or 8 years since I joined several pet health lists and it was

discussed there. Plus I've been testing my dogs for it routinely for many

years. That's standard procedure in any area where Lyme is present AFAIK.

>Many dogs respond very well to the Bones And Raw Food (BARF)

>diet;

Including Mokie. She's been on a raw diet for almost 7 years now :-)

mine won't eat anything raw. She will gobble down bee

>pollen (for minerals and enzymes), cod liver oil, vitamin E

>and nutritional yeast sprinkled on her food, tho!

>

>I wish you luck with your dear old friend. It is hard to see

>them suffer.

Thanks. I appreciate your response.

Suze

[Guest guest]

I live in an awful lyme area and my vet has never asked if I want the

dogs tested. They DO still offer the vaccine for lyme, which is known

to cause autoimmune problems, tho.

--- In , " Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...>

wrote:

>

>

> >They're just beginning to identify lyme in dogs, but one thing

> >that is common is renal failure.

>

> Actuallly they've been testing dogs for Lyme disease for years now -

at

> least 7 or 8 years since I joined several pet health lists and it was

> discussed there. Plus I've been testing my dogs for it routinely for

many

> years. That's standard procedure in any area where Lyme is present

AFAIK.

>

[Guest guest]

>I live in an awful lyme area and my vet has never asked if I

>want the dogs tested. They DO still offer the vaccine for

>lyme, which is known to cause autoimmune problems, tho.

Renate,

If this were my vet, I'd find another one. There's absolutely no excuse for

not testing dogs for Lyme in a Lyme endemic area. I'm in Maine where it's

not as bad as in some other areas and my vet clinic routinely tests.

I've not been happy with my vets for other reasons, but I'm working with one

now that I think is the best of the group that I've tried. I've already

worked with 5 other vets not including the one I've consulted with by phone.

I find it very difficult to find a good one, but at least the one I'm

working with now is willing to work with me when I make any requests for

testing and happy to write a referral to an internist when she feels she

can't help me.

Suze

[Guest guest]

Happy New Year!

This article has huge implications if this is true....

JR

To:

From: sjsmith@...

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:21:22 -0500

Subject: autoimmune disease

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Methodology/

Principal Findings

Repeated immunization with antigen causes systemic autoimmunity in mice

otherwise not prone to spontaneous autoimmune diseases. Overstimulation

of CD4^+ T cells led to the development of autoantibody-inducing CD4^+ T

(/ai/CD4^+ T) cell which had undergone T cell receptor (TCR) revision

and was capable of inducing autoantibodies. The /ai/CD4^+ T cell was

induced by /de novo/ TCR revision but not by cross-reaction, and

subsequently overstimulated CD8^+ T cells, driving them to become

antigen-specific cytotoxic T lymphocytes (CTL). These CTLs could be

further matured by antigen cross-presentation, after which they caused

autoimmune tissue injury akin to systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE).

Conclusions/Significance

Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of

over-stimulating the host's immune 'system' by repeated immunization

with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized

criticality.

[Guest guest]

autoimmunity

again and as touched on here, it may or may not happen. the fact is that many

diseases can be aquired and you dont have to be predisposed to getting them. so

regardless of that, theres some info. here on ways to fight inflammation. I've

read that with autoimmunity even those " harmless " allergens can cause self to

attack self. if you were exposed to a high dose of allergens and the body(immune

system) cant keep up with the dose you would also get self attacking self.

mature macrophages aren't in constant supply. so really, regardless of toxin

exposure from exturnal sorces, the toxicity let lose with of our own bodies

attacting ourself play hell on our system. this would be dose and time factored.

not so much time when exposed in a WDB with losts of other things going on.

obvisouly some of us are dealing with autoimmune problems beyond the toxicity

problems from WDB exposure where many things could cause apoptosis and necrosis.

http://www.rawpeople.com/index.php

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[Guest guest]

Endo's are not good Dr.'s for this problem send Hardasniles an Emale about your

problem he works with this Dr. the both are dam good at this.

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Overbeck hardasnails1973@... 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette

st Conshohocken Internal medicine Male and female hormone disorders and

metabolic disorders 610-828-2026

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Phil

> From: Shaun <shaunskel@...>

> Subject: Autoimmune disease

>

> Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 6:07 PM

> Hi one thing I have read which causes

> Low t is autoimmune disorders. My father has celiac disease

> which is basically a wheat gluten allergy. The disorder

> causes the intestines villi to be destroyed. It is

> apparently very hereditary. Hopefully this is the cause of

> my low t. Im trying to get a hold of my endo to be sent to a

> gastro to be tested. Any insight?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Celiac is usually associated with Hashimoto's, a form of hypothyroidism. I

would get tested for that if you have any hypo symptoms, which are, surprising,

the same as low testosterone.

>

> Hi one thing I have read which causes Low t is autoimmune disorders. My father

has celiac disease which is basically a wheat gluten allergy. The disorder

causes the intestines villi to be destroyed. It is apparently very hereditary.

Hopefully this is the cause of my low t. Im trying to get a hold of my endo to

be sent to a gastro to be tested. Any insight?

>