RE: FW: response to denise

[Guest guest]

Welcome, ! I hope you find us helpful, informative and

supportive.

I'd like to comment on one of your statements below. Specifically,

" The bowel (small and large) has absolutely got to be clean,

restored to normofunction (sic). "

There is recent interest, though some of it is (unfairly) treated

humerously, in faecal transplants. As disgusting, unsanitary, and

risky as it sounds credible medical researchers are discovering a

critical role for the large and small intestine in a number of

previously unrelated illness. Most of which are the result of a mal-

or mis-functioning immune system. Now seen as possibly from

bad combinations of bacteria, fungi, and digestive enzymes in the

gut. Replacement with different " poo " seemingly cures a number

of these.

Google " faecal transplants " for lots of articles. Here are 3 links

from the more credible sources:

An article about about a study is at:

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101124/full/468492a/box/1.htm

l

The full study is at:

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101124/full/468492a.html with

a downloadable PDF.

An abstract from New Scientist (full article with subscription or

fee-based download):

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20927962.600-faecal-

transplant-eases-symptoms-of-parkinsons.html

Perhaps the best one is a prepublication at:

http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/57795/

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Subject: response to denise

This is my first time responding, so if I mention anything which has

already

been covered, please understand and let it slide.

Limiting exposures to known 'breakpoints' is of course, beneficial. But it

does zero to help (x/c by easing the burdens) or ultimately correct the

internal environment, which is the territory where the dysfunctions

ultimately lay.

Five immediate things need to be addresssed for the environmentally

sensitive. There is no discerning, with some sort of energetic analysis,

which of the five need be done, or to what kind of depth - so best just to

tackle them all. And they are all logical, so really no biggie, and these

all must be 'clean & clear' anyway.

In no particular order:

The liver must be in good order, & the bile free flowing

Reduced glutathione production must be massively upregulated - or to

whichever degree any individual requires.

The bowel (small and large) has absolutely got to be clean, restored to

normofunction and loaded up with 'appropriate' and active probiotics.

Cranial/spinal function & integrity must be addressed and balance

restored.

Sadly, very few professiojnals, %-wise, have the skills for this. So good

luck with this condition.

Lastly, lymphatic movement needs to be evaluated for sluggishness,

under

various postural conditions, and appropriate measures taken for

restoration

if necc.

I really could go on and on , on this topis. Bit FWIW, the above are core,

and withouint, sucecss will iuley just be a gliommer attygheh end of the

tunnel.

And the above is going on WHILE you are avoiding exposure, if possible.

And

that is a big 'if', in many people's lives. I understand that.

[Guest guest]

Well said Carl. However you forgot to mention the role of pro-inflammatory

cytokines and chemokines that go along with the immune changes. The innate

immune system (macrophages) are shift toward the dark side and the Jedi have

lost the war.

response to denise

This is my first time responding, so if I mention anything which has

already

been covered, please understand and let it slide.

Limiting exposures to known 'breakpoints' is of course, beneficial. But it

does zero to help (x/c by easing the burdens) or ultimately correct the

internal environment, which is the territory where the dysfunctions

ultimately lay.

Five immediate things need to be addresssed for the environmentally

[Guest guest]

A recent article--I'll have to find the citation--discussed a possible link

between Parkinson's and infection from C. Difficile, I believe. The bacteria can

cross the gut border, it is surmised. A man's Parkinson's disappeared after

treatment. I know my gut infection this summer was the sickest I'd ever been and

it took me quite awhile to recover.

My friend had to have a transplant because of unremitting illness from C.

Difficile.

I will find the article tomorrow.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 30, 2011, at 11:33 PM, " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

There is recent interest, though some of it is (unfairly) treated

humerously, in faecal transplants. As disgusting, unsanitary, and

risky as it sounds credible medical researchers are discovering a

critical role for the large and small intestine in a number of

previously unrelated illness. Most of which are the result of a mal-

or mis-functioning immune system. Now seen as possibly from

bad combinations of bacteria, fungi, and digestive enzymes in the

gut. Replacement with different " poo " seemingly cures a number

of these.

[Guest guest]

Hello Carl,

it'll ber my great pleasure to chat with you. First let me segue. W e just

had a power outage up here, our first one since moving here. On my screen

was this enormous response I was generating, to anita, I believe, as she was

the one who inquired re proteins and immunity. needless to say, it was

trashed. " Whatcha gunna do? "

I will get around to re-resposning, but it most assuredly will not have

the same panach as my first effort. Just too depressing. Just wanted her

to see that note.

Yes, I am very familiar with the procedure you describe. Stunningly

bass ackwards when 2 minutes of thought are put into it. This is an

absolutel perfect example of medicine doing something all expensive and

'new' and amazing, and whiz-bang, and full of the 'wow' factor, when in this

case, a small series of colonics (not enemas) followed by aggressive pre and

pro-biotic therapy will not only do the same thing, but do it better, and

cost orders of magnitude less. Oh, and the patient wont need a doctor or a

hospital. DR Kellogg and DR gerson were doing this llooonnnggg before it

was hip. Well, that's a a lie, sorry. Dr. Kellogg actually made this

quite hip in his day.

His clientele read like a who's who of his day.

Wash out the old and the bad. In it's place, create a Fertile Field for

Friendly Flora.

You wont have any Herxheimer reactions with all the old crap out of there,

so large innoculations can be introduced rectally for the colon, and orally

for the small intestsine.

Very quick results. It's a beautiful thing. Max & Charlotte Gerson proved

it hundreds of times, as did Dr Kellogg.

Fecal transplants Give me a break.

Thanks for asking. Nice to chat.

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On Behalf Of Carl E. Grimes

Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:34 AM

Subject: Re: [] FW: response to denise

Welcome, ! I hope you find us helpful, informative and

supportive.

I'd like to comment on one of your statements below. Specifically,

" The bowel (small and large) has absolutely got to be clean,

restored to normofunction (sic). "

There is recent interest, though some of it is (unfairly) treated

humerously, in faecal transplants. As disgusting, unsanitary, and

risky as it sounds credible medical researchers are discovering a

critical role for the large and small intestine in a number of

previously unrelated illness. Most of which are the result of a mal-

or mis-functioning immune system. Now seen as possibly from

bad combinations of bacteria, fungi, and digestive enzymes in the

gut. Replacement with different " poo " seemingly cures a number

of these.

Google " faecal transplants " for lots of articles. Here are 3 links

from the more credible sources:

An article about about a study is at:

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101124/full/468492a/box/1.htm

l

The full study is at:

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101124/full/468492a.html with

a downloadable PDF.

An abstract from New Scientist (full article with subscription or

fee-based download):

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20927962.600-faecal-

transplant-eases-symptoms-of-parkinsons.html

Perhaps the best one is a prepublication at:

http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/57795/

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC