Has anyone ever moved their stuff from a WDB as-is and been okay?

[Guest guest]

Has anyone on the list ever moved everything but soft furnishings from a WDB to

a new place and gotten better? If not, how can you be sure that you weren't just

still feeling the effects of inflammation in your new place--how can you be sure

you brought the mold with you?

I remember that when we moved from a moldy apartment to our first house, we only

discarded the furnishings in the room with the mold. We took everything else,

including the clothes that were stored in the moldy room's closet. We had no

mold problems in the house we moved into.

But I'm not sure what to do now. I'm set to move in a week. I had to buy clothes

for a new job that starts tomorrow bc I lost so much weight, and my husband

recently bought a new computer. We were hoping to be able to take our clothes

and technology, as we can't afford to replace those, but now I'm not sure. In

this condo, I know there are mold spores of the aspergillus and penicillium

variety. I consider most everything to be unsalveagable, including all my books

and papers, even though I can't see mold. (I am planning on scanning in all the

papers we own, so we have no paper copies of anything but passports, etc.)

Would a can of compressed air used outside be enough to get the molds out of the

laptop? What can I use to wipe it down that isn't corrosive? Does professional

drycleaning remove mold?I know some of this has been asked already so I'll do a

search, but there are a lot of new people and a new expert, so I was hoping to

hear mire.

Thanks, AN

[Guest guest]

hi an,

thank you for responding the other day. i really appreciate it.

i have so many problems with the benzo and mold and now the mercury, i can

hardly tell one thing from the other. a lot of the sx are alike. i am

overwhelmed, and really don't think i will ever get well from all these

problems.

the questions you ask is what is on my mind and haunting me. after being in the

mold house for 2 years and thinking my illness was benzo w/d, because my sx were

never lung or respiratory. it was watery eye, headaches, nausea, diarrhea,

feeling like i was in a stupor, brain fog, blurred vision, ache,

dizziness/vertigo, the fatigue was overwhelming. it was never in my lungs. is

this reaaly mold?

i moved my mold house stuff to storage, again not even thinking this was mold

poisoning.

lived at my moms for 1 1/2 years, i got better but not well. still had the sx

but at a much reduced level. i only took my picture, books and clothes with me.

i was eating everything, but that probable why i was still sick, because not

know i was mold sick, i didn't know i was candida sick

after being home for 5 months went to the dentist and unbelievable, walked away

from that within weeks with mercury illness. i think my immune sys was so

depleted, this was the last straw.

my sx were the vertigo at a alarming level, the floor dropping from underneath

me, tunnel vision, blurred, haze vision, massive diarrhea, ringing in my ears,

weird neurological sx, horrid inner tremors, migraines, eye sockets hurt, eyes

and throat burned, my body was so hot, my muscle became so rigid and burned. my

muscles are in a bad state, i can hardly walk, my muscle have turned to stone.

it is very painful.

it is hard for me to now tell from one problem to the next.

so i was only kinda well for 5 months in the last 4 years. i just moved to a new

house 2 months ago and i moved all the mold furniture here, again just never put

the mold in all this, just still thought this was benzos and mercury.

so now what? ever question you have i have

have i contaminated this house?

can i wash clothes with borax, vinegar?

can i dry clean the rest?

can i dry clean my drapes(this were dry cleaned from the mold house to my mom's

and stored in closet)

can all the wood be bleached washed down?

can runner rugs be streamed cleaned and used again?

and the soft furniture, can it be re-upholster, striped to the bare bones,

bleached treated and re-padded then cover in muslim? is the wood base possible

mold infested? does mold get deep into the wood?

i can't see or smell mold anywhere. i am not any sicker in the last 2 months at

being here, except my eyes have been burning a bit now and my throat has seemed

tighter. this is just in the last 2 weeks but i started eating a ton of

butternut squash. it is low in sulfur, because the cystine and sulfur foods i

react badly to. but i didn't consider the candida, thinking the squash was a veg

but it is considered a non sweet fruit. since all i can eat is lettuce and

chicken, i was so happy to have the squash, but it has made me so sick,or is it

the mold couch?

see, i have so many problems, it is hard to tell what is what.

i know i am going to do the clothes wash, dry clean and bleach wash all wood,

just don't know what to do with the soft stuff.

can anyone help, any similar experience

thanks so much denise

________________________________

From: Advocate_Now <advocate_now@...>

" " < >

Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 2:58:13 PM

Subject: [] Has anyone ever moved their stuff from a WDB as-is and

been okay?

Has anyone on the list ever moved everything but soft furnishings from a WDB to

a new place and gotten better? If not, how can you be sure that you weren't just

still feeling the effects of inflammation in your new place--how can you be sure

you brought the mold with you?

I remember that when we moved from a moldy apartment to our first house, we only

discarded the furnishings in the room with the mold. We took everything else,

including the clothes that were stored in the moldy room's closet. We had no

mold problems in the house we moved into.

But I'm not sure what to do now. I'm set to move in a week. I had to buy clothes

for a new job that starts tomorrow bc I lost so much weight, and my husband

recently bought a new computer. We were hoping to be able to take our clothes

and technology, as we can't afford to replace those, but now I'm not sure. In

this condo, I know there are mold spores of the aspergillus and penicillium

variety. I consider most everything to be unsalveagable, including all my books

and papers, even though I can't see mold. (I am planning on scanning in all the

papers we own, so we have no paper copies of anything but passports, etc.)

Would a can of compressed air used outside be enough to get the molds out of the

laptop? What can I use to wipe it down that isn't corrosive? Does professional

drycleaning remove mold?I know some of this has been asked already so I'll do a

search, but there are a lot of new people and a new expert, so I was hoping to

hear mire.

Thanks, AN

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't bleach wash wood..? Wouldn't that ruin it?? Other people here might

have suggestions for washing wood. Anyway, about sofa, it isn't worth it to

take fabric off of furniture and reupholster it. It's cheaper to buy new

inexpensive furniture. Reupholster only if you absolutely love furniture, it is

high quality frame and style you can't find elsewhere bec the cost will be about

as much as buying new, unless you know how to do it yourself. I don't know if

you are sick from wdb but I got sick from wdb without lung involvement. It was

skin and throat, eyes, brain fog, fatigue. People are affected differently, not

all the same symptoms.

>

sx were the vertigo at a alarming level, the floor dropping from underneath

> me, tunnel vision, blurred, haze vision, massive diarrhea, ringing in my ears,

> weird neurological sx, horrid inner tremors, migraines, eye sockets hurt, eyes

> and throat burned, my body was so hot, my muscle became so rigid and burned.

my

> muscles are in a bad state, i can hardly walk, my muscle have turned to stone.

> it is very painful.

>

[Guest guest]

thank you barb,

i don't know what wdb is.

i own a slipcover company or at least did before i got so sick, i have 3 slips

for sofa(expensive material) and 4 for the chair. i love my furniture but have

to get well.

do you even think this would get the mold out of the sofa?

if i brought old mold funiture to this house, have i contaminated this house?

and anything new i bring in will it be contaminated?

what is used for the wood? like dresser draws, desk, etc

what happened with your skin

thank you so much

denise

________________________________

From: barb b w <barb1283@...>

Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 10:05:57 PM

Subject: [] Re: Has anyone ever moved their stuff from a WDB as-is

and been okay?

I wouldn't bleach wash wood..? Wouldn't that ruin it?? Other people here might

have suggestions for washing wood. Anyway, about sofa, it isn't worth it to

take fabric off of furniture and reupholster it. It's cheaper to buy new

inexpensive furniture. Reupholster only if you absolutely love furniture, it is

high quality frame and style you can't find elsewhere bec the cost will be about

as much as buying new, unless you know how to do it yourself. I don't know if

you are sick from wdb but I got sick from wdb without lung involvement. It was

skin and throat, eyes, brain fog, fatigue. People are affected differently, not

all the same symptoms.

>

sx were the vertigo at a alarming level, the floor dropping from underneath

> me, tunnel vision, blurred, haze vision, massive diarrhea, ringing in my ears,

> weird neurological sx, horrid inner tremors, migraines, eye sockets hurt, eyes

> and throat burned, my body was so hot, my muscle became so rigid and burned.

my

>

> muscles are in a bad state, i can hardly walk, my muscle have turned to stone.

> it is very painful.

>

[Guest guest]

'wdb' is what is in subject title but in lower case, i.e. WDB/water damaged

building. I've been trying to use this term, since experts here complain we

focus too much on mold but I think we use the term mold because it is easier

than saying wdb but know it is more than mold. At least it is for me. I don't

know how the best way to handle wood finished or unfinished but I'm pretty sure

it usually can be cleaned and you need not throw it away.

>

> thank you barb,

> i don't know what wdb is.

>

> i own a slipcover company or at least did before i got so sick, i have 3 slips

> for sofa(expensive material) and 4 for the chair. i love my furniture but have

> to get well.

>

> do you even think this would get the mold out of the sofa?

> if i brought old mold funiture to this house, have i contaminated this house?

> and anything new i bring in will it be contaminated?

>

> what is used for the wood? like dresser draws, desk, etc

>

> what happened with your skin

>

> thank you so much

> denise

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if slipcovers were enough to protect fabric furniture. probably

depends on extent of exposure, how long a duration it was, how bad it was, how

sensitive you are, etc.

>

> thank you barb,

> i don't know what wdb is.

>

> i own a slipcover company or at least did before i got so sick, i have 3 slips

> for sofa(expensive material) and 4 for the chair. i love my furniture but have

> to get well.

>

> do you even think this would get the mold out of the sofa?

> if i brought old mold funiture to this house, have i contaminated this house?

> and anything new i bring in will it be contaminated?

>

> what is used for the wood? like dresser draws, desk, etc

>

> what happened with your skin

>

> thank you so much

> denise

[Guest guest]

on no i don't think the slipcovers did anythink to help. was just saying i would

want to try to save the sofas because the slips are beautiful and exprnsive. it

i throw the sofa, i throw the covers. just didn't know if the re uphoster would

work

thanks

denise

________________________________

From: barb b w <barb1283@...>

Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 11:07:31 PM

Subject: [] Re: Has anyone ever moved their stuff from a WDB as-is

and been okay?

I don't know if slipcovers were enough to protect fabric furniture. probably

depends on extent of exposure, how long a duration it was, how bad it was, how

sensitive you are, etc.

>

> thank you barb,

> i don't know what wdb is.

>

> i own a slipcover company or at least did before i got so sick, i have 3 slips

> for sofa(expensive material) and 4 for the chair. i love my furniture but have

> to get well.

>

> do you even think this would get the mold out of the sofa?

> if i brought old mold funiture to this house, have i contaminated this house?

> and anything new i bring in will it be contaminated?

>

> what is used for the wood? like dresser draws, desk, etc

>

> what happened with your skin

>

> thank you so much

> denise

[Guest guest]

AN,

The contents issue is always troublesome, and one that is difficult to find

closure. The degree of cross-contamination to contents and successful

restoration depends on so many factors, including frequency of usage, pressure

relationships in the indoor environment, type of HVAC system, how items are

stored, not to mention the severity of airborne contamination. Additionally,

each individual can react differently to the same contaminants, as well as react

to different contaminants. This is truly a case by case issue. However, in my

experiences, I find that the worst case scenarios are found when: (1) there are

high concentrations of airborne contaminants (2) the house has a forced air HVAC

system (3) items are exposed to the air (as opposed to stored in sealed

containers) (4) the contamination has existed for a prolonged period (5) a

botched remediation job caused cross-contamination (6) individuals became sick

while living in the contaminated environment and (7) individuals have underlying

illnesses or conditions that could cause them to react more severely.

When all factors exist, most people cannot take anything. The degree of success

seems to vary based on the number of the above conditions that are relevant.

Connie Morbach, M.S., CHMM, CIE

sanit-air.com

>

> Has anyone on the list ever moved everything but soft furnishings from a WDB

to a new place and gotten better? If not, how can you be sure that you weren't

just still feeling the effects of inflammation in your new place--how can you be

sure you brought the mold with you?

>

> I remember that when we moved from a moldy apartment to our first house, we

only discarded the furnishings in the room with the mold. We took everything

else, including the clothes that were stored in the moldy room's closet. We had

no mold problems in the house we moved into.

>

> But I'm not sure what to do now. I'm set to move in a week. I had to buy

clothes for a new job that starts tomorrow bc I lost so much weight, and my

husband recently bought a new computer. We were hoping to be able to take our

clothes and technology, as we can't afford to replace those, but now I'm not

sure. In this condo, I know there are mold spores of the aspergillus and

penicillium variety. I consider most everything to be unsalveagable, including

all my books and papers, even though I can't see mold. (I am planning on

scanning in all the papers we own, so we have no paper copies of anything but

passports, etc.)

>

> Would a can of compressed air used outside be enough to get the molds out of

the laptop? What can I use to wipe it down that isn't corrosive? Does

professional drycleaning remove mold?I know some of this has been asked already

so I'll do a search, but there are a lot of new people and a new expert, so I

was hoping to hear mire.

>

> Thanks, AN

>

[Guest guest]

NO... don't bleach wood!  I lost my mobile home 5 yrs ago partially because of

wood.  We had a storm w/ 105 mph winds, cracked my roof in two, water gushed, I

kept filling up buckets until the storm was over.  I got a new roof 5 days

after but later on found mold on all the windows.  If I had to do over again I

would have hired professionals to remove the windows and steam clean thoroughly.

 

Instead, I called the Dept of Health-- the man told me to put 1 teaspoon bleach

into 1 gallon of water, then put into a spray bottle and spray that on the

mold.  I did that right before running out the door to go to work.

 

Came home from work and my nightmare began-- severe headache, burning eyes,

mouth, throat, sick somach, irritated lungs, difficulty breathing in the

house.  I had to permanently leave my MH, lived in motels off and on, rented 2

apts (one had sewer gas leaching from the foundation; other-- landlord glued new

linoleum in the bathrooms-- did not tell me in advance), lived in my pickup in

apt parking lots, went through most of my savings for retirement.

 

Anyway, Chlorox told me that the bleach fumes will be in the wood permanently--

referring to the wood paneling/wood around the windows, that I must have gotten

bleach on the wood as well as the aluminum window frames.  He said I would need

to have the wood removed and replaced.  I had 15 windows.  Nowhere to live

during the replacement period.

 

I wouldn't bleach wash wood..? Wouldn't that ruin it??

[snipped]

[Guest guest]

so sorry. wow all these stories of this horror nightmare.

i was told to vacuum forst with hepa then wipe down with clorox wipes, meaning

dressers, side tables. what would you use?

thank you

denise

________________________________

From: corky lux <corkylux1@...>

Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 6:06:14 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Has anyone ever moved their stuff from a WDB

as-is and been okay?

NO... don't bleach wood! I lost my mobile home 5 yrs ago partially because of

wood. We had a storm w/ 105 mph winds, cracked my roof in two, water gushed, I

kept filling up buckets until the storm was over. I got a new roof 5 days after

but later on found mold on all the windows. If I had to do over again I would

have hired professionals to remove the windows and steam clean thoroughly.

Instead, I called the Dept of Health-- the man told me to put 1 teaspoon bleach

into 1 gallon of water, then put into a spray bottle and spray that on the

mold. I did that right before running out the door to go to work.

Came home from work and my nightmare began-- severe headache, burning eyes,

mouth, throat, sick somach, irritated lungs, difficulty breathing in the house.

I had to permanently leave my MH, lived in motels off and on, rented 2 apts (one

had sewer gas leaching from the foundation; other-- landlord glued new linoleum

in the bathrooms-- did not tell me in advance), lived in my pickup in apt

parking lots, went through most of my savings for retirement.

Anyway, Chlorox told me that the bleach fumes will be in the wood permanently--

referring to the wood paneling/wood around the windows, that I must have gotten

bleach on the wood as well as the aluminum window frames. He said I would need

to have the wood removed and replaced. I had 15 windows. Nowhere to live

during the replacement period.

I wouldn't bleach wash wood..? Wouldn't that ruin it??

[snipped]

[Guest guest]

Oh my goodness, Connie, I'm so glad I checked my spam folder, where your reply

was--I get all the sickbuilding posts via email and for some reason they

occasionally go in my spam box. Anyway, I wanted to thank you for these

excellent guidelines. This helps a lot. Though unfortunately, it looks like I

will have to move very little of my items. Some woolens are in plastic

containers, but the rest I'll have to leave behind.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 20, 2010, at 1:33 PM, " conniemorbach " <connie@...> wrote:

AN,

The contents issue is always troublesome, and one that is difficult to find

closure. The degree of cross-contamination to contents and successful

restoration depends on so many factors, including frequency of usage, pressure

relationships in the indoor environment, type of HVAC system, how items are

stored, not to mention the severity of airborne contamination. Additionally,

each individual can react differently to the same contaminants, as well as react

to different contaminants. This is truly a case by case issue. However, in my

experiences, I find that the worst case scenarios are found when: (1) there are

high concentrations of airborne contaminants (2) the house has a forced air HVAC

system (3) items are exposed to the air (as opposed to stored in sealed

containers) (4) the contamination has existed for a prolonged period (5) a

botched remediation job caused cross-contamination (6) individuals became sick

while living in the contaminated environment

and (7) individuals have underlying illnesses or conditions that could cause

them to react more severely.

When all factors exist, most people cannot take anything. The degree of success

seems to vary based on the number of the above conditions that are relevant.

Connie Morbach, M.S., CHMM, CIE

sanit-air.com