Re: Dispersants in the Gulf

[Guest guest]

Barb,

The reason I find the dispersant issue and how it is being handled to be so

relevant, is that I see a lot of similarities within government of how

they have addressed the mold issue. ly, I am a little surprised at some

of the spinning I have seen well documented over this oil issue. It has

lots of shades of Bushism to it.

It is not consistent with some of the great appointments that Obama has

made in the name of integrity in science and policy, like s, Birnbaum,

Barab. It concerns me that if they can't address this well publicized

disaster properly, how are we to even hope they will address the mold issue

right?

Sharon

In a message dated 7/22/2010 6:58:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

barb1283@... writes:

I got into this in the middle so apologies if this isn't consistent but

think the topic of dispersants is important if anyone wants to discuss but

getting too off topic to discuss political theories about it. We all know

there is alot of deceit in anything to do with profits.

[Guest guest]

I think there is alot of dishonesty and it is not being handled well at all.

I'm so disappointed with the whole MESS but on the topic of group postings KC

mentioned he thought they were too off topic for here. Maybe I misunderstood

what he meant, or if you all are very interested, he will feel differently, so

I'll leave them in the pending folder for him to decide on.

>

> Barb,

>

> The reason I find the dispersant issue and how it is being handled to be so

> relevant, is that I see a lot of similarities within government of how

> they have addressed the mold issue. ly, I am a little surprised at some

> of the spinning I have seen well documented over this oil issue. It has

> lots of shades of Bushism to it.

>

> It is not consistent with some of the great appointments that Obama has

> made in the name of integrity in science and policy, like s, Birnbaum,

> Barab. It concerns me that if they can't address this well publicized

> disaster properly, how are we to even hope they will address the mold issue

> right?

>

> Sharon

[Guest guest]

Sharon, I wont get into the issue because I think you have done a fine job

explaining my thoughts and what I have studies as well. I just wanted to thank

you for makeing sure this is a matter we all should be concerned with. Ill just

say this, there are many many people I hear from that are in the coastal area

that are complaining especially of headaches that trump migraines so we indeed

need to follow this. I have this PDF file I will try to post with this. I have

only followed the work these people are doing for the coast and have no

affiliation with them but even if the contact info needs to be omited the

information is quite intersting and telling.

 Nearly 2 million gallons of dispersant chemicals have been poured

into the Gulf of Mexico, even though scientists oppose their use!

“We oppose the use of chemical dispersants in the Gulf, and urgently recommend

an immediate halt to

their application. We believe that Corexit dispersants, in combination with

crude oil, pose grave health

risks to marine life and human health, and threaten to deplete critical niches

in the Gulf food web that

may never recoverâ€

· Oil, when combined with dispersants in the water column is more toxic to

marine species than either oil or

dispersant alone.

· Chemicals in crude oil and dispersants can cause a wide range of health

effects in people and wildlife. Crude oil

has many highly toxic chemical ingredients, including polycyclic aromatic

hydrocarbons (PAHs), that can damage

every system in the body.

· The use of dispersants is a large-scale toxic experiment on the Gulf of

Mexico

ecosystem that runs contrary to a

precautionary approach, an experiment where the costs may ultimately outweigh

the benefits.

· Corexits are oil industry-insider products, and are ranked by the EPA as more

toxic and less effective than other

approved dispersants, which has raised questions about their use in the Gulf

(Scarlett et al 2005).

· The combination of Corexit and crude oil can be more toxic than either alone,

since they contain many ingredients

that target the same organs in the body. In addition, Corexit dispersants

facilitate the entry of oil into the body, into

cells, which can result in damage to every organ system (Burns and Harbut,

2010).

· Exposure to chemicals in crude oil and dispersants can occur through skin

contact, inhalation of contaminated air

or soil/sand, and ingestion of contaminated water or food.

· Potential human health effects include burning skin, difficulty breathing,

headaches, heart palpitations, dizziness,

confusion, and nausea — which have already been reported by some workers —

as

well as chemical pneumonia

and internal bleeding (Burns and Harbut, 2010, US EPA 2010).

· Coastal communities could also experience more extreme health consequences,

including long-term neurological

effects on children and developing fetuses, and hereditary mutations. As of June

21, the Louisiana Department of

Health and Hospitals reported 143 cases of illness " believed to be related to

oil exposure. The most common

symptoms were headache, nausea, throat irritation, vomiting, cough and

difficulty breathing.

· For marine life, depletion of these critical niches in the food web can set

the stage for “trophic cascades,†causing

the collapse of higher organisms ( et al. 2003).

· Many scientists suspect the worst of the impacts on the gulf are yet to come

and will not be apparent without

deliberate tracking and scientific assessment.

· EPA and NOAA have studied impacts of dispersants and oil but continue to

withhold data from results of these

studies.

This document provided by scientists ends with 5 critical demands, beginning

with an

IMMEDIATE HALT to the use of chemical dispersants in the Gulf of Mexico!

http://1planet1ocean.org/scientists-consensus-statement-on-the-use-of-chemical-d\

ispersants-in-the-gulf-of-mexico/

Emergency Committee to Stop the Gulf Oil Disaster

http://www.stopgulfoildisaster.org 504-644-7214

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From: " snk1955@... " <snk1955@...>

Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 9:36:06 PM

Subject: Re: [] Dispersants in the Gulf

 

Barb,

The reason I find the dispersant issue and how it is being handled to be so

relevant, is that I see a lot of similarities within government of how

they have addressed the mold issue. ly, I am a little surprised at some

of the spinning I have seen well documented over this oil issue. It has

lots of shades of Bushism to it.

It is not consistent with some of the great appointments that Obama has

made in the name of integrity in science and policy, like s, Birnbaum,

Barab. It concerns me that if they can't address this well publicized

disaster properly, how are we to even hope they will address the mold issue

right?

Sharon

[Guest guest]

What I am not hearing much of here (not this board) but in the media, is a big

fishing (and other " gulf dependent " ) industry outcry as they have " measurable

damages " in this fiasco. The famous " gulf shrimp " is shipped the world over,

and, it seems as if they are " conspicuous " by its absence.

If there were a shortage of Maine or Northern New England lobsters, or even a

huge increase in price, you would hear the screams and read about the " damage "

to the industry. There is some use of their boats and resources but they are

not the " end point " for production in the industry and it would only seem

reasonable that there would be an outcry. Is it buried by the media or is it

" under reported? "

>

> Sharon, I wont get into the issue because I think you have done a fine job

> explaining my thoughts and what I have studies as well. I just wanted to thank

> you for makeing sure this is a matter we all should be concerned with. Ill

just

> say this, there are many many people I hear from that are in the coastal area

> that are complaining especially of headaches that trump migraines so we indeed

> need to follow this. I have this PDF file I will try to post with this. I have

> only followed the work these people are doing for the coast and have no

> affiliation with them but even if the contact info needs to be omited the

> information is quite intersting and telling.

>

[Guest guest]

& Ginny & Others,

The reason I know a bit about what is going on with the BP Oil (from just a

cursory aspect) is because I follow Katy's Exposure Blog. She posts

blogs for me, too. While she follows the mold issue closely the another issue

she follows closely is all the environmental fall out and double-speak

coming from the gulf area over this oil spill.

This is really bad (and stupid). Katy had posted an article about the

FEMA trailers being sold in Louisiana. She got a comment on the article that

said, " " I bought a travel trailer in DeRidder, La and I only paid 1800.00.

This was one of the cheapest buys and the trailer is in great shape. No

mold or anything like that! There was a small soft spot on the floor right in

front of the door but, that is easy and cheap to fix!! I did not even have

to stay there long!!! Thankfully, it was so hot!!! "

Dumb, dumb, dumb. The IP address for the commenter was the Louisiana Lt.

Governor's Office, Dept. of Culture, Recreating and Tourism. There is a

lot more slick stuff in the gulf right now besides oil.

_http://katysexposure.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/fraud-in-advertising-toxic-fe

ma-trailers-louisiana-department-of-cultural-rv-recreation/_

(http://katysexposure.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/fraud-in-advertising-toxic-fema-t\

railers-lou

isiana-department-of-cultural-rv-recreation/)

She has a lot of good stuff on her blog and is getting quite a following.

My writing about the nomination of the new Ca Chief Justice (and the

University of California/US Chamber/Schwarzenegger/ACOEM/BP Oil money/Mold

connection) came up fourth on the search engines. We even beat the LA Times

regarding the new Chief Justice appointment on the search engines!

_http://katysexposure.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/governor-schwarzenegger-picks-tan\

i-cantil-sakauye-as-ca-chief-justice-will-she-mold-justice-for-the-peop

le-of-california/_

(http://katysexposure.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/governor-schwarzenegger-picks-tan\

i-cantil-sakauye-as-ca-chief-justice-will-she-mold-ju

stice-for-the-people-of-california/)

It's just too bad that the mainstream media and others seem to want to keep

this stuff quiet and even seem to work to help to keep all of this silent.

Read Katy's Exposure blogs if you want to know what is going on with the

spinning over a lot of this stuff. She is doing an awesome job.

Sharon

In a message dated 7/25/2010 10:40:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

ginloi@... writes:

What I am not hearing much of here (not this board) but in the media, is a

big fishing (and other " gulf dependent " ) industry outcry as they have

" measurable damages " in this fiasco. The famous " gulf shrimp " is shipped the

world over, and, it seems as if they are " conspicuous " by its absence.

If there were a shortage of Maine or Northern New England lobsters, or

even a huge increase in price, you would hear the screams and read about the

" damage " to the industry. There is some use of their boats and resources but

they are not the " end point " for production in the industry and it would

only seem reasonable that there would be an outcry. Is it buried by the

media or is it " under reported? "

>

> Sharon, I wont get into the issue because I think you have done a fine

job

> explaining my thoughts and what I have studies as well. I just wanted to

thank

> you for makeing sure this is a matter we all should be concerned with.

Ill just

> say this, there are many many people I hear from that are in the coastal

area

> that are complaining especially of headaches that trump migraines so we

indeed

> need to follow this. I have this PDF file I will try to post with this.

I have

> only followed the work these people are doing for the coast and have no

> affiliation with them but even if the contact info needs to be omited the

> information is quite intersting and telling.