Guest guest Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 Thanks for this KC. I am interested in the potato chip comment that it helps with fat toxins. Anyone know why this is? Is it just potato chips or potatoes in general.I had stopped eating potatoes as it was recommended in the no amylose diet. Interesting... D > > Biotoxin Illness: What We Need to Know Moving Forward > > By Craig Koniver, MD | Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:30 PM ET > > http://www.tonic.com/article/biotoxin-illness-what-we-need-to-know-moving-forwar\ d/ > > Fighting the Threats of Biotoxins such as Mold, Parasites, Heavy Metals, Pesticides, etc. > > Warning: Reading this may change your perspective on why you feel badly sometimes or all the time. As you know, we are in constant interaction with our environment and recently we have been discovering different ways that the environment can contribute to our health. Most of us are aware that we get sick from different infectious organisms — the common cold, stomach bugs, pneumonia, etc. All of these are due to an infectious agent getting into our immune system and temporarily wreaking havoc. For those of us that are healthy, this may mean feeling sick for a few days to a few weeks. But for those of us who feel tired, worn out, have brain fog, joint pain and weight gain, would you ever think that the cause of this was something in the environment? The loudest messages I hear are those telling people they did not eat right or exercise enough and that is why they feel so poorly. And while nutrition and exercise certainly play a large role in how we feel, the real answer as to why many people have these symptoms may be due to our interactions with biotoxins from the environment. > > Here is some background and detailed information about biotoxins — their affects as well as what we can do about them. Some of this was adapted from Dr. Shoemaker's protocol, a pioneer in the field of biotoxin illness. > > Background: We are constantly under a barrage of threats from certain biotoxins, including: > > Infectious organisms such as lyme, mycoplasma and chlamydia — all stealth bacterial organisms that hide within our cells. > Mold, yeast, parasites, pfiesteria, aspergillus and other archaic single cell organisms. > Heavy metals such as mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic. > Chlorinated pesticides. > Volatile solvents. > PCBs > Phtalates from plastics. > Others we don't know, can't identify, etc. > These biotoxins can cause harm to every facet of our biochemical framework from our immune system to our nervous system to our mitochondria. While all of us are at risk for developing symptoms related to exposure to these biotoxins, certain individuals are at a greater risk of developing symptoms due to their genetic predisposition. Once exposed, these individuals begin to exhibit symptoms of profound fatigue, joint and muscle pain, memory loss, exercise intolerance, weight gain, headaches, depressed mood — symptoms typically assigned to those with chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia and depression. Many of these individuals also have gastrointestinal (GI) dysfunction including diarrhea, bloating, irregular bowel movements and abdominal pain. > > The goal in trying to understand this biotoxin burden is to appreciate the devastating effects that occur to our immune systems, nervous systems, hormonal systems, mitochondrial systems and detoxification systems. It is impossible to catalogue every single biotoxin product that affects us and therefore the goal is not to get caught up in identification (although that does help), but rather to examine the damage that has been done with the goal of undoing the damage and restoring a healthy biochemical framework again. > > Here is a summary of how these biotoxins cause their devastating affects to our systems (per Dr. Shoemaker): > > Stage 1: Biotoxin Effects: > > It all starts when a person is exposed to a biotoxin. In most people, the biotoxin is " tagged " and identified by the body's immune system and is broken down and removed from the blood by the liver. However, some individuals do not have the genetics (HLA-DR genes) to code for the antibodies and in these cases the biotoxins are not tagged and remain in the body indefinitely, free to circulate and wreak havoc. Once present in the body, the biotoxins begin to set off a complex cascade of biochemical events. The biotoxin binds to surface receptors (toll receptor) in fat cells. This in turn causes a continual upregulation of cytokines. > > Stage 2: Cytokine Effects: > > The activated fat cells start to produce more leptin, which leads to weight gain that is unresponsive to diet or exercise. Remember that the fat cells are also pumping out cytokines, this overload starts to block or damage the leptin receptors in the hypothalamus. Elevated cytokines can produce many different symptoms including: headache, muscle ache, unstable temperature and difficulty concentrating. High levels of cytokines can also result in increased levels of immune related markers such as TNF, MMP-9, IL-1B, and PAI-1. MMP-9 delivers inflammatory elements from the blood into sensitive tissues and can combine with PAI-1 to increase clot formation and arterial blockage. > > Stage 3: Reduced VEGF: > > The elevated cytokine levels in the capillaries attract white blood cells, leading to restricted blood flow and lower oxygen levels in the tissues. Reduced VEGF leads to fatigue, muscle cramps and shortness of breath. > > Stage 4: Immune System Effects: > > Patients with certain HLA genotypes (immunity related genes) may develop inappropriate immune responses which may include antibodies to: myelin basic protein (often from fungal infections), gliadin (wheat-like allergy) and cardiolipins (affects blood clotting). > > Stage 5: Low MSH: > > Reduced melanocyte stimulating hormone (MSH) production results in yet another set of problems and symptoms. The production of melatonin is reduced which results in sleep problems. Endorphin production is suppressed which leads to chronic and sometimes unusual pain. Lack of MSH can cause malabsorption or " leaky gut, " which further weakens and deregulates the immune system. White blood cells eventually lose regulation of cytokine response so that opportunistic infections may occur or recovery from infections is slower. > > Stage 6: Antibiotic Resistant Staph Bacteria: > > Reduced MSH also allows resistant staph (MARCONS) to flourish in the mucous membranes. These bacteria further compound the problem by producing exotoxins A and B that cleave MSH, further decreasing the MSH levels. At this point, the downward spiral starts to perpetuate itself. > > Stage 7: Pituitary Hormone Effects: > > Reduced MSH can decrease pituitary production of antidiuretic hormone (ADH) which can lead to thirst, frequent urination, neurally-mediated hypotension (NMH), low blood volume, and electric shocks from static electricity. While sex hormone production is often down-regulated the pituitary may upregulate the production of cortisol and ACTH in the early stages of illness, then drop to abnormally low, or low-normal ranges later. > > Using this model of how the damage sets in, we then need to work backwards to fix this problem. > > > Helpful baseline levels: > > HLA labs: these help to determine who is " genetically " at risk for harsher symptoms. > MSH: Melanocyte stimulating hormone, a master controller of immune response. > Leptin: fat cell hormone that binds to MSH. > Cortisol: salivary testing throughout the day--stress hormone released by adrenal gland. > DHEA: another stress hormone that complements cortisol. > Testosterone: ranges vary based upon either blood or saliva testing--androgenic hormone that seems to change inversely to cortisol. > CRP: non-specific marker of inflammation. > ESR: another non-specific marker of inflammation. > TNF Tumor Necrosis Factor: an inflammatory cytokine that gets turned on by biotoxins. > MMP-9: another inflammatory cytokine. > PAI-1: Plasminogen activator inhibitor. > Anticardiolipins: When elevated there will be an issue with blood clotting. > VEGF: Vascular endothelial growth factor — responsible for helping regulate blood vessel integrity. > Erythropoietin: activator of red blood cell stimulation. > Volatile solvents. > PCBs > Chlorinated pesticides. > Phtalates > Heavy metals. > Infectious organisms: > Parasites > Yeast > Bacteria > Viruses > Mold > Food sensitivities. > Gut integrity. > Here is my approach based on lab findings (obviously this changes per patient individuality): > > 1. Begin to rebuild immune response--we need to reduce INFLAMMATION repsonse! Use of the following can be beneficial: > > o Larch arabinogalactan: has been shown to decrease NF-kappaB, TNF; works by " cleaning up " the lymphatic system. > o Carnosine: amino acid that reduces inflammation in the brain. > o DLPA (Phenylalanine): helps to restore Endorphin system damaged by low MSH. > o Ashwaghanda: calming adaptogen that reduces cortisol burden. > o Lecithin: helps restore cell membrane fluidity damaged by biotoxin damage to fat cells. > > > 2. Work on hormone imbalances: > > o Manage high/low cortisol appropriately. > > o Replace DHEA with sub-lingual DHEA if low. > > o Replace testosterone if low. > > o Replace progesterone if low. > > o Replace thyroid hormone with armour thyroid if low. > > o Add melatonin at bedtime if sleep difficulties manifest. > > o Naturally boost growth hormone with GABA, glycine, arginine, others. > > > > 3. Chelate heavy metals identified: > > o IV Calcium EDTA for high lead/mercury. > > o Rectal suppository Calcium EDTA for any high metal burden. > > o Oral DMSA for elevated mercury. > > o Zeolite > > o Use IV Glutathione to enhance liver detox and promote heavy metal removal. > > > 4. Start Chemical detox: > > o Potato chips weekly. Yes, potato chips have been shown to help with removal of fat soluble toxins. > > o Chlorella daily. > > o Rice brain oil (gamma oryzanol). > > o High dose fish oil. > > > > 5. Begin reassessment > > This is a marathon and not a sprint. An obvious goal is reduce exposure to the biotoxins! Practically speaking, however, this can be very difficult. Mold, metals and chemicals are particularly important to remove from the environment, so that involves careful assessment at both home and work. > > We may need to continue the Cholestyramine as long as there is ongoing exposure. > > Useful reading: > > Mold Warriors by Shoemaker, MD > Mastering Leptin by Byron s, CCN > Biotoxin illness and management will become a very important aspect of disease management in the future. This is complicated and confusing, but if we take this a step at a time, we can make a lot of progress and finally get to the bottom of many disease symptoms. > > > > > Image courtesy of NOAA Archives. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 Diane, The subtitle, as you know, of the no amylose diet, is 'loose the weight you hate', and I have always felt it was a weight loss diet, rather than a detox diet, but I may be wrong. I read it but don't follow it. One of the reasons was I have so many foods I avoid for reasons that I understand and I didn't understand the avoidance of vegetables grown underground. Perhaps he has an explanation that would make sense but to me a vegetable that can grown underground and NOT get moldy probably has some mold inhibiting properties I'd like to have. I could see taking off the skins of potatoes or any veggies grown underground but look at how beneficial onions are and garlic, and sweet potatoes are valued as an anticancer food. I think detoxing has a weight loss effect so his detoxing recommendations should help with weight loss. I don't understand this suggestion from him so I don't follow it. > > > > Biotoxin Illness: What We Need to Know Moving Forward > > > > By Craig Koniver, MD | Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:30 PM ET > > > > http://www.tonic.com/article/biotoxin-illness-what-we-need-to-know-moving-forwar\ d/ > > > > Fighting the Threats of Biotoxins such as Mold, Parasites, Heavy Metals, Pesticides, etc. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 He must mean pringles with olestra, the fake fat, remember it removes dioxin better than anything else? it sequesters the toxins in the fake fat, then you body eliminates the fake fat because it cannot absorb it, I tried it, but you have to only eat 5 pringles as a serving, because they really give you the runs. > > > > Biotoxin Illness: What We Need to Know Moving Forward > > > > By Craig Koniver, MD | Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:30 PM ET > > > > http://www.tonic.com/article/biotoxin-illness-what-we-need-to-know-moving-forwar\ d/ > > > > Fighting the Threats of Biotoxins such as Mold, Parasites, Heavy Metals, Pesticides, etc. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Yes, I'm interested in the potatoe chip comment also. I wouldn't want to eat Pringles unless I knew it was for sure oelestra. Seems a good guess since oelestra isn't absorbed, but then you would think article would have said something with oelestra in it or would have said Pringles. I don't even think of Pringles as potatoe chips, more like imitation potatoe chips. > > > > Biotoxin Illness: What We Need to Know Moving Forward > > > > By Craig Koniver, MD | Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:30 PM ET > > > > http://www.tonic.com/article/biotoxin-illness-what-we-need-to-know-moving-forwar\ d/ > > > > Fighting the Threats of Biotoxins such as Mold, Parasites, Heavy Metals, Pesticides, etc. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 SHUCKS! That would have been the single bright spot in this disaster! I would hope it was real chips he meant. I wondered if there was some " absorbency " factor in the potato chip. And, I don't consider Pringles real chips, either. Maybe he can let us know what benefit they might confer. > > > > > > Biotoxin Illness: What We Need to Know Moving Forward > > > > > > By Craig Koniver, MD | Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:30 PM ET > > > > > > http://www.tonic.com/article/biotoxin-illness-what-we-need-to-know-moving-forwar\ d/ > > > > > > Fighting the Threats of Biotoxins such as Mold, Parasites, Heavy Metals, Pesticides, etc. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 I tried finding something on potatoe chips but didn't find anything but rereading the article below he just says 'potatoe chips'. I would think he would have said Pringles or potatoe chips made with oelestra. Maybe potatoe chips have everything but the fiber fried out of them fried out and then they are coated with oils which may attract the bile and then the bile is absorbed by the fiber left after all that processing. Obviously just a guess. I'm eating alot of yogurt lately because I'm on antibiotics and the only way I can get plain yogurt in me is to dip a potatoe chip into it. The salty chip offsets the sour acidity of the yogurt. I know someone else who eats yogurt with salty pretzels. I buy the chips with sea salt and cooked in good oils. I can't see any harm as they are mainly oil and the salt. Very little potatoe left after processing. Without the chips, the yogurt will go unused. I hope I'm detoxing too. That would be great! > > > > > > > > Biotoxin Illness: What We Need to Know Moving Forward > > > > > > > > By Craig Koniver, MD | Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:30 PM ET > > > > > > > > http://www.tonic.com/article/biotoxin-illness-what-we-need-to-know-moving-forwar\ d/ > > > > > > > > Fighting the Threats of Biotoxins such as Mold, Parasites, Heavy Metals, Pesticides, etc. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 I use acidophilus every day and find that very helpful...it sounds like you have a " chip and dip " thing going...anyway you can feel better sounds good to me! > > I tried finding something on potatoe chips but didn't find anything but rereading the article below he just says 'potatoe chips'. I would think he would have said Pringles or potatoe chips made with oelestra. > > Maybe potatoe chips have everything but the fiber fried out of them fried out and then they are coated with oils which may attract the bile and then the bile is absorbed by the fiber left after all that processing. Obviously just a guess. > > I'm eating alot of yogurt lately because I'm on antibiotics and the only way I can get plain yogurt in me is to dip a potatoe chip into it. The salty chip offsets the sour acidity of the yogurt. I know someone else who eats yogurt with salty pretzels. I buy the chips with sea salt and cooked in good oils. I can't see any harm as they are mainly oil and the salt. Very little potatoe left after processing. Without the chips, the yogurt will go unused. > > I hope I'm detoxing too. That would be great! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 Can't find anything about potatoe chips and detoxing but found this warning about overcooked starch such as potatoe. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2005/07/07/potato-chips.aspx Public knowledge of the serious dangers found in potato chips may finally be surfacing. The California-based Environmental Law Foundation (ELF) has filed notices with the state's attorney general against potato chip manufacturers that would require them to place labels on their products warning consumers about the high levels of acrylamide found inside. Acrylamide is formed when starchy foods are baked or fried at high temperatures and is considered a cancer-causing chemical by the Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment. (More at article. You have to put your email address in to read at Mercola.com now for certain articles.) > > I tried finding something on potatoe chips but didn't find anything but rereading the article below he just says 'potatoe chips'. I would think he would have said Pringles or potatoe chips made with oelestra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 I had read about that acrylamide issue. It seemed as though there was a simple but time consuming resolution, it seemed to be " soaking " the potatoes to remove a starchy residue. I do remember that dialysis patients should only eat pre-soaked potatoes which is supposed to decrease the potassium, which they need to limit. I am not a chemist or biologist so can only read this stuff as a lay person. But, potatoes do have a certain " fiber " I think, and wonder if it is the " fiber-y " element which could be helpful for detox. Some companies I have read, want to eliminate this by product, so as not to lose sales as " once under the media microscope " many products fall out of favor with the public. It would be good strategy for long term sales and " loyalty " to do so. I have always felt that as sick as I became, it would have been worse, if I had not used both oat bran and wheat bran every day for several decades. Fiber must be helpful in this war. Even good oil such as olive oil is not desirable if it is heated to high temperatures. It undergoes some chemical changes that I have read have been deemed harmful. > > > > I tried finding something on potatoe chips but didn't find anything but rereading the article below he just says 'potatoe chips'. I would think he would have said Pringles or potatoe chips made with oelestra. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 that chemical your referring to becomes a carcinogenic From: ginloi <ginloi@...> Subject: [] Re: Biotoxin Illness: What We Need to Know Moving Forward Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:10 AM I had read about that acrylamide issue. It seemed as though there was a simple but time consuming resolution, it seemed to be " soaking " the potatoes to remove a starchy residue. I do remember that dialysis patients should only eat pre-soaked potatoes which is supposed to decrease the potassium, which they need to limit. I am not a chemist or biologist so can only read this stuff as a lay person. But, potatoes do have a certain " fiber " I think, and wonder if it is the " fiber-y " element which could be helpful for detox. Some companies I have read, want to eliminate this by product, so as not to lose sales as " once under the media microscope " many products fall out of favor with the public. It would be good strategy for long term sales and " loyalty " to do so. I have always felt that as sick as I became, it would have been worse, if I had not used both oat bran and wheat bran every day for several decades. Fiber must be helpful in this war. Even good oil such as olive oil is not desirable if it is heated to high temperatures. It undergoes some chemical changes that I have read have been deemed harmful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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