Guest guest Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I do apologize but i really got several emails that I felt were attacking me in my email address I did not know how this whole thing worked and just saw email after email accusing me (as I thought) of something that I wasn't doing so I felt reallyhurt then quickly annoyed, hence I responded in a manner that is not becoming of me as autism is near and dear to my heart as is all others on this journey with me.. Like I said I am new, but I should have practiced due diligence. I thanks you for the encouragement that you gave in spite of this whole mix up. Hope we can unite in the future as we are really all in this together and we have enough negativity in the world we dont need it with each other. take care for now Keisha To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice This is in reply to several of the email responses. , I think your book is a good idea for families. Our family falls through the cracks. We make too much for assistance but not enough to afford the help. Keisha, I did not direct anything to you, I had not seen your email until this afternoon. I actually think what you’re doing is great and I scanned your site and intend to read more, clearly you have done some homework! Thank you for compiling this information. What I didn’t appreciate was the high horse comment, I just wish you would have read the email subject line before blasting away. It wasn’t fair. I did not expect such a response from asking Dr. Bate to not sell me something. Let me explain why I replied what I replied to him. I feel the only thing Dr. Bate does is promote his products. I feel his approach is gimmicky….. If it’s too good to be true it probably is….. sort of thing. 1) I did give him the benefit of the doubt and looked at his site (a long time ago and again recently). He has amazing claims from improving autism, enhancing breasts and possibly preventing death in an anaphylactic reaction and a whole lot more when you use his techniques. What a resume! (yes that is sarcasm) 2) I could not find his credentials, I apologize if they are there and I didn’t see it. I saw he worked for RCA and Philco but he never mentioned his medical schooling or training? I would think knowing a medical school he attended and where he trained is more important than knowing he worked for Philco or RCA? What’s the relevance of knowing he worked for two electronic companies? Wouldn’t you want to know his medical background? I also felt he played on some guilt parents feel for medicating their child. At this time I may not be into medicating my child however there are some kids who undeniably benefit from medication, mine may need in the future. Parents should not be shamed for their decisions. 3) I feel it is easy to prey on people who are so desperate for help and answers to fall for his claims and few testimonials. I know many parents who are so desperate they will try anything at any expense. So many of us already know the financial repercussions of autism. 4) His claim to having a ton of “proof†(on autism) wasn’t sufficient in my opinion since his site mentions two books with a combined total of 14 pages. If there is more “proof†to his claims that I missed I apologize. 5) Isn’t it dangerous to try something without the supervision of a Doctor, as in one you physically see and are monitored by in person? So there you have it, those are my feelings and why I asked him not to try to sell me something. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice I agree with . We are all asking for help here. How else do you expect to get it but from people who know the field and if they have to talk about their "company" or "business" to get the point across, then that is what we need to hear. Yes, I take advice from other parents, but how many times have you gotten wrong advice or just someone's "opinion" and they really don't know the correct answer. I don't know how many stories I have heard about the autism-insurance coverage and it's all different. I decided to go to the AAoM and sign up for the Webinar Workshop to find out the info I really need. So for example, I advertised my "Fundraising For a Personal Cause" book on here because I became and expert in the field because I had to do it for my family (because we don't qualify for any assistance) and I took 1-year to research the info in which most people never think of for fundraisers. So I want others to know about what I did so that it can help them. I am selling it, not giving it away for free because I feel I did all the work and I deserve it. I don't see anything wrong with trying to share my work. I am very proud of myself for doing it and worked really hard at it. Many people tell me that a book like this is needed. So don't you want to get your info from people who know what they are talking about? Sometimes you have to pay for that service. And I know that I have considered buying Dr. Bate CD's because I am going through therapy with my son right now for ADD and our insurance only covers 50% of services and we only get 20 visits per year. So I need more. Thanks for listening > > Yes, I am the moderator. It would be good if there was more than one, > but until the owner turns up and appoints another one, I am it. > > This group is about support /*and*/ awareness. It is also a good place > for those doing research to ask for help. We all complain about lack of > services, but the only way we will get those services is if there is > sufficient research to demonstrate a need. We know autism should be a > top priority, but those with control of resources and funding need to be > convinced, and whether we like it or not, they will listen to > professionals more than to parents. There are also so many unanswered > questions regarding autism that research is needed to find the answers. > > I am not sure why a post saying 'X offers a service that could help' is > received with gratitude, but one saying 'I offer a service that might > help' causes so much offense. Dr Bate rarely posts, and no one is > obliged to buy anything from him if they don't want to. Nor does anyone > need to read his website. There are many professionals who will quite > happily charge you $1-200 to provide the same information - and in most > cases insurance will subsidise your cost. Neurotherapy is widely > recognised as a treatment for both AS and ADHD, so Dr Bate is not > offering something that the professional world sees as strange. I saw > my psychologist this morning and he urged me to give serious > consideration to neurotherapy. It doesn't work for everyone, but so far > nothing has been proven to work for everyone. Other people on here > offer services you are also free to follow up with or ignore. > > I try to keep posts offering services to a minimum - and there is a > folder on our homepage where professionals can post a list of what they > offer - but it seems silly in a group where we regulatory ask 'who can I > see for this or that' to ban posts saying 'I offer that service'. I > have asked people to only post an initial post saying what they offer, > or to post in reply to a request. Most of the time that is happening > now. I also only approve posts asking for volunteers for research if I > believe it is applicable to this group - and some of it isn't. No one > who posts for volunteers for research or who offers professional > services is un-moderated unless they have demonstrated over time that > they will post responsibly. > > While some people see this list as being only for parents to support > each other, the home page says it is "for parents and caregivers of kids > with autism and aspergers, and any other disability" and "Professionals > are welcome as well". The purpose is "to share stories, ideas, > treatments, therapies, advice and support". I see an occasional post > from those offering services and therapies as fitting in with that. > > In future, rather than having long debates over this issue (or any other > management issue) in the group, if anyone has a problem I would > appreciate them emailing me first. Any email sent to: > mailto:autism-aspergers-owner%40yahoogroups.com will go to the owner [when her > account stops bouncing] and to me. > > [moderator] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 I don't want this group overwhelmed with posts advertising services. So, while I will allow them to be posted, I do expect everyone to be sensible. An occasional post is fine, but not one every week. There is a folder on the home page where professional services can be listed. I also prefer those who post what they have to offer to also take part in any discussions. If the only time we see someone's name is when they are advertising then it starts to look like they are using the group rather than being part of it. If anyone has a newsletter that comes out regularly, I would prefer a sample copy to be posted to the group with instructions on how to subscribe rather than the group itself being subscribed. The members of the group can decide for themselves if they want to subscribe and get the newsletter. It's a matter of keeping a balance between providing information and keeping traffic to a manageable level.  [moderator]  I'd like to weigh in on this discussion being on both sides of the coin. I really don't understand listservs that ban advertisement of a product designed for our kids. How else will you learn about things that are helpful? And especially when you have a moderator who can look at each post individually to see the merit of the product or service. Through the years, I have offered parents access to my web classes that I teach professionals in my field on technology and autism (computer-based intervention, iPad etc). I never understood why some listservs refused to post them. They never cost much and the information is quite valuable. Most recently, I wrote a book which deals with the future of adults on the spectrum. For some reason,on certain listservs, I am able to list the link as part of my signature (see bottom), but I can't post it in the body of the text. I don't know about you, but as a parent of a son with autism, I want access to ALL the information I can get. I think that I have the ability to weed through what I want to investigate and what I don't. I don't think I want someone else telling me that something that costs money is not valuable information for me to know. Herskowitz, MA CCC-SLP Author of Always Leave Them Laughing The Future of Our Children with Developmental Disabilities Must Be Addressed https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/181423 http://www.amazon.com/Always-Leave-Them-Laughing-ebook/dp/B008MAGIWE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & qid=1342748926 & sr=8-1 & keywords=valerie+herskowitz+always+leave+them+laughing > > > > >Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice > >To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > > >Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:30 PM > > > > > > > >With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you. > > > >Good night and God speed. > > > >Keisha Allsop, MPA > > > >________________________________ > > > >To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM > >Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice > > > > > >No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff > > > >________________________________ > > > >To: autism-aspergers > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM > >Subject: Re: Help and Advice > > > > > >My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5146 - Release Date: 07/21/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 I hate my touchpad on my laptop. Sorry for the disjointed email, it sent in the middle of typing.I haven't commented since you asked us to table the discussion. I appreciate your chiming in. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice I don't want this group overwhelmed with posts advertising services. So, while I will allow them to be posted, I do expect everyone to be sensible. An occasional post is fine, but not one every week. There is a folder on the home page where professional services can be listed. I also prefer those who post what they have to offer to also take part in any discussions. If the only time we see someone's name is when they are advertising then it starts to look like they are using the group rather than being part of it. If anyone has a newsletter that comes out regularly, I would prefer a sample copy to be posted to the group with instructions on how to subscribe rather than the group itself being subscribed. The members of the group can decide for themselves if they want to subscribe and get the newsletter. It's a matter of keeping a balance between providing information and keeping traffic to a manageable level. [moderator] I'd like to weigh in on this discussion being on both sides of the coin. I really don't understand listservs that ban advertisement of a product designed for our kids. How else will you learn about things that are helpful? And especially when you have a moderator who can look at each post individually to see the merit of the product or service. Through the years, I have offered parents access to my web classes that I teach professionals in my field on technology and autism (computer-based intervention, iPad etc). I never understood why some listservs refused to post them. They never cost much and the information is quite valuable. Most recently, I wrote a book which deals with the future of adults on the spectrum. For some reason,on certain listservs, I am able to list the link as part of my signature (see bottom), but I can't post it in the body of the text. I don't know about you, but as a parent of a son with autism, I want access to ALL the information I can get. I think that I have the ability to weed through what I want to investigate and what I don't. I don't think I want someone else telling me that something that costs money is not valuable information for me to know. Herskowitz, MA CCC-SLP Author of Always Leave Them Laughing The Future of Our Children with Developmental Disabilities Must Be Addressed https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/181423 http://www.amazon.com/Always-Leave-Them-Laughing-ebook/dp/B008MAGIWE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & qid=1342748926 & sr=8-1 & keywords=valerie+herskowitz+always+leave+them+laughing > > > > >Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice > >To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > > >Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:30 PM > > > > > > > >With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you. > > > >Good night and God speed. > > > >Keisha Allsop, MPA > > > >________________________________ > > > >To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM > >Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice > > > > > >No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff > > > >________________________________ > > > >To: autism-aspergers > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM > >Subject: Re: Help and Advice > > > > > >My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5146 - Release Date: 07/21/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Thank you, . That is what I was trying to say the other night, but not nearly as clearly I haven't commented since I have gotten your email requested that To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice I don't want this group overwhelmed with posts advertising services. So, while I will allow them to be posted, I do expect everyone to be sensible. An occasional post is fine, but not one every week. There is a folder on the home page where professional services can be listed. I also prefer those who post what they have to offer to also take part in any discussions. If the only time we see someone's name is when they are advertising then it starts to look like they are using the group rather than being part of it. If anyone has a newsletter that comes out regularly, I would prefer a sample copy to be posted to the group with instructions on how to subscribe rather than the group itself being subscribed. The members of the group can decide for themselves if they want to subscribe and get the newsletter. It's a matter of keeping a balance between providing information and keeping traffic to a manageable level. [moderator] I'd like to weigh in on this discussion being on both sides of the coin. I really don't understand listservs that ban advertisement of a product designed for our kids. How else will you learn about things that are helpful? And especially when you have a moderator who can look at each post individually to see the merit of the product or service. Through the years, I have offered parents access to my web classes that I teach professionals in my field on technology and autism (computer-based intervention, iPad etc). I never understood why some listservs refused to post them. They never cost much and the information is quite valuable. Most recently, I wrote a book which deals with the future of adults on the spectrum. For some reason,on certain listservs, I am able to list the link as part of my signature (see bottom), but I can't post it in the body of the text. I don't know about you, but as a parent of a son with autism, I want access to ALL the information I can get. I think that I have the ability to weed through what I want to investigate and what I don't. I don't think I want someone else telling me that something that costs money is not valuable information for me to know. Herskowitz, MA CCC-SLP Author of Always Leave Them Laughing The Future of Our Children with Developmental Disabilities Must Be Addressed https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/181423 http://www.amazon.com/Always-Leave-Them-Laughing-ebook/dp/B008MAGIWE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & qid=1342748926 & sr=8-1 & keywords=valerie+herskowitz+always+leave+them+laughing > > > > >Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice > >To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > > >Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:30 PM > > > > > > > >With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you. > > > >Good night and God speed. > > > >Keisha Allsop, MPA > > > >________________________________ > > > >To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM > >Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice > > > > > >No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff > > > >________________________________ > > > >To: autism-aspergers > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM > >Subject: Re: Help and Advice > > > > > >My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5146 - Release Date: 07/21/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 I do not think anyone should advertise on this site. This is meant to be a support group for those who are raising autistic kids. There are numerous places on the web to seek information on alternative therapies, etc., if we choose to seek this out, but these shouldn't be included here, in my opinion. I find it very irritating and distracting having to delete the same messages from the same people over and over again. Lately, it has gotten much worse. Many times I have come on only to find ads and nothing else. Today there were ten.Thanks. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice I don't want this group overwhelmed with posts advertising services. So, while I will allow them to be posted, I do expect everyone to be sensible. An occasional post is fine, but not one every week. There is a folder on the home page where professional services can be listed. I also prefer those who post what they have to offer to also take part in any discussions. If the only time we see someone's name is when they are advertising then it starts to look like they are using the group rather than being part of it. If anyone has a newsletter that comes out regularly, I would prefer a sample copy to be posted to the group with instructions on how to subscribe rather than the group itself being subscribed. The members of the group can decide for themselves if they want to subscribe and get the newsletter. It's a matter of keeping a balance between providing information and keeping traffic to a manageable level. [moderator] I'd like to weigh in on this discussion being on both sides of the coin. I really don't understand listservs that ban advertisement of a product designed for our kids. How else will you learn about things that are helpful? And especially when you have a moderator who can look at each post individually to see the merit of the product or service. Through the years, I have offered parents access to my web classes that I teach professionals in my field on technology and autism (computer-based intervention, iPad etc). I never understood why some listservs refused to post them. They never cost much and the information is quite valuable. Most recently, I wrote a book which deals with the future of adults on the spectrum. For some reason,on certain listservs, I am able to list the link as part of my signature (see bottom), but I can't post it in the body of the text. I don't know about you, but as a parent of a son with autism, I want access to ALL the information I can get. I think that I have the ability to weed through what I want to investigate and what I don't. I don't think I want someone else telling me that something that costs money is not valuable information for me to know. Herskowitz, MA CCC-SLP Author of Always Leave Them Laughing The Future of Our Children with Developmental Disabilities Must Be Addressed https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/181423 http://www.amazon.com/Always-Leave-Them-Laughing-ebook/dp/B008MAGIWE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & qid=1342748926 & sr=8-1 & keywords=valerie+herskowitz+always+leave+them+laughing > > > > >Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice > >To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > > >Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:30 PM > > > > > > > >With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you. > > > >Good night and God speed. > > > >Keisha Allsop, MPA > > > >________________________________ > > > >To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM > >Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice > > > > > >No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff > > > >________________________________ > > > >To: autism-aspergers > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM > >Subject: Re: Help and Advice > > > > > >My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5146 - Release Date: 07/21/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 If you read the home page, which has not changed since I became a member some years ago, this group was always meant to be more than just a support group. Often information is a very valuable means of support. [moderator] On 22/07/2012 10:25 PM, Van Laan wrote:  I do not think anyone should advertise on this site. This is meant to be a support group for those who are raising autistic kids. There are numerous places on the web to seek information on alternative therapies, etc., if  we choose to seek this out, but these shouldn't be included here, in my opinion. I find it very irritating and distracting having to delete the same messages from the same people over and over again. Lately, it has gotten much worse. Many times I have come on only to find ads and nothing else. Today there were ten. Thanks. From: Riley To: autism-aspergers Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice  I don't want this group overwhelmed with posts advertising services. So, while I will allow them to be posted, I do expect everyone to be sensible. An occasional post is fine, but not one every week. There is a folder on the home page where professional services can be listed. I also prefer those who post what they have to offer to also take part in any discussions. If the only time we see someone's name is when they are advertising then it starts to look like they are using the group rather than being part of it. If anyone has a newsletter that comes out regularly, I would prefer a sample copy to be posted to the group with instructions on how to subscribe rather than the group itself being subscribed. The members of the group can decide for themselves if they want to subscribe and get the newsletter. It's a matter of keeping a balance between providing information and keeping traffic to a manageable level.  [moderator] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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