Re: CSM Straining Adrenals

[Guest guest]

Robin, I have been using an intestinal product with bentonite clay , psyllium

and other herbs to detox. My cholesterol is low to begin with and I have some

concern about using the CSM or any detox product on a consistent basis. I do

think that detoxing strains the body( my own opinion) and have put myself on a

hiatus for several months with my own detoxing. It gives me a chance to regroup

and allow my body to correct what it can on its own. I think I would have

gotten very ill had I proceeded without a break. This is only MY experience and

you can take from it what you please..

As I used nystatin in the mid 80's, I remember how sick I got at first. I was

told to take things gradually and slowly....and then to back off, if necessary

which worked. I don't think it is wise to do things so strongly that the body is

" strained " , as you would say. I think you are right on with your thinking....

but this is only how I feel...

To me it makes sense... and I stopped with the detoxing on a regular basis a few

months ago. It seemed as I was improving... I could tolerate less where at first

I could do things on a daily basis. This is just me...

Kathi

Kathi

>

> Was it here that someone posted about the act of pulling bile and the body

having to make more is straining to the adrenals?

>

> I am wondering about this... my adrenals and autonomic nervous system are very

sensitive. There is a genetic tendency here.. it runs in my family whether there

is a trigger or not.. this is a common result for us.

>

> I am thinking this bile pulling and subsequent need for the body to produce

more would be or feel straining for the body.

>

> Wondering if lower doses would catch enough toxins yet allow the body some

sense of balance stresswise.. there is obviously no perfect solution and I can

quit csm all together but I would like to find a balance.

>

> Robin

>

[Guest guest]

Robin,

Very interesting post.....I have this tendency, too, but I am finding now after

3 mos on CMS that I am better--not as anxious as before.  I am leaning towards

the thought that mold illness causes or aggravates the adrenals & autonomic

system.  Before the CMS I would have 2 day migraines & throw up green bile that

tasted horrible.  Now the migraines are gone and I have not thrown up for 3

mos.  I must admit the detox was not a picnic b/c I was so fatigued, etc but I

feel so good now.  I am up in the PM only 1-2 times to the bathrm.  That in

itself is a praise report for CMS.  I hope I do not have to be on it forever

but the Dr. did say with my genotype I would be HIT and need occasional CMS. 

One day there may be a natural substance without sucrose, etc we can take.  But

for now I am thankful for CMS b/c it is the only thing I am doing to get well. 

I do think 3 doses per day will work, at least it has for me.  I seem to forget

one dose per

day. 

From: listspub <listspub@...>

Subject: [] CSM Straining Adrenals

Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 2:55 AM

 

Was it here that someone posted about the act of pulling bile and the body

having to make more is straining to the adrenals?

I am wondering about this... my adrenals and autonomic nervous system are very

sensitive. There is a genetic tendency here.. it runs in my family whether there

is a trigger or not.. this is a common result for us.

I am thinking this bile pulling and subsequent need for the body to produce more

would be or feel straining for the body.

Wondering if lower doses would catch enough toxins yet allow the body some sense

of balance stresswise.. there is obviously no perfect solution and I can quit

csm all together but I would like to find a balance.

Robin

[Guest guest]

oh yes,, this is making tons of sense, Kathi. Thank you.

What products are you using and how do you dose that?

I didnt feel a inflammatory intensification as I expected like whole body

feeling like hit by a truck, rather its the ANS, adrenal strain.. it is just too

much.

Robin

>

> Robin, I have been using an intestinal product with bentonite clay , psyllium

and other herbs to detox. My cholesterol is low to begin with and I have some

concern about using the CSM or any detox product on a consistent basis. I do

think that detoxing strains the body( my own opinion) and have put myself on a

hiatus for several months with my own detoxing. It gives me a chance to regroup

and allow my body to correct what it can on its own. I think I would have

gotten very ill had I proceeded without a break. This is only MY experience and

you can take from it what you please..

>

> As I used nystatin in the mid 80's, I remember how sick I got at first. I was

told to take things gradually and slowly....and then to back off, if necessary

which worked. I don't think it is wise to do things so strongly that the body is

" strained " , as you would say. I think you are right on with your thinking....

but this is only how I feel...

> To me it makes sense... and I stopped with the detoxing on a regular basis a

few months ago. It seemed as I was improving... I could tolerate less where at

first I could do things on a daily basis. This is just me...

>

> Kathi

[Guest guest]

Diane, this has to be a huge relief for you and good for me to hear progress is

possible. Thank you.

I think you are right as well.. the toxins are going to agravate the ANS. I need

to find balance or I will be in trouble. I cant deal with the up and down BP and

pulse one goes up the other down back and forth.

I thnk the RADS as Mayleen linked to is compounding the issue. I need to back

off. I think as well that three times a day should be fine.

I backed down to 1 tsp and still had tachy tonight. Not knowing what is causing

what is not helping but the chemicals have to be playing a role.. csm not sure.

Outdoor air quality questionable since I live across from a lake but I seem to

feel my body relax when i open the windows (just wish it was not cold here now).

Not wanting to take a chance after already ending up in hospital once and almost

going again a few nights ago.

We have a fmaily history of some pretty nasty dysautonomia.. my sister had wild

swings that would have killed some people.. a fact I try not to put on myself

but kind of hard not to.

Robin

>

> Robin,

> Very interesting post.....I have this tendency, too, but I am finding now

after 3 mos on CMS that I am better--not as anxious as before.  I am leaning

towards the thought that mold illness causes or aggravates the adrenals &

autonomic system.  Before the CMS I would have 2 day migraines & throw up green

bile that tasted horrible.  Now the migraines are gone and I have not thrown up

for 3 mos.  I must admit the detox was not a picnic b/c I was so fatigued, etc

but I feel so good now.  I am up in the PM only 1-2 times to the bathrm.  That

in itself is a praise report for CMS.  I hope I do not have to be on it forever

but the Dr. did say with my genotype I would be HIT and need occasional CMS. 

One day there may be a natural substance without sucrose, etc we can take.  But

for now I am thankful for CMS b/c it is the only thing I am doing to get well. 

I do think 3 doses per day will work, at least it has for me.  I seem to forget

one dose per

> day. 

>

[Guest guest]

Diane, How are you able to travel with the air purifier?

>

> Robin,  do you use an air purifier?  I bought a oransi air purifier with a

hepa filter, I found that it helped me a lot.  I take it with me where ever I

go.  Tonight I am in hotel and have it running.  I also use UV filters. 

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have austin airs, but they are not so great at chemicals as the ones with

UVs.. but I stayed away from UVs because of the warnings that killing mold was

not a good idea..

???

Now I am questioning that move!

If using a hepa, you will trap molds that contain toxins in the hepa. Those mold

spores will still emit toxins, right?

So if you kill them and they still stay attached to the hepa, whats the problem?

And then there is the possibility that UV also denatures toxins or is this a

definite no?

At one point, what does it matter and how do you weigh out what is most

important?

What kind do you have?

Thanks, Diane..

Robin

>

> Robin,  do you use an air purifier?  I bought a oransi air purifier with a

hepa filter, I found that it helped me a lot.  I take it with me where ever I

go.  Tonight I am in hotel and have it running.  I also use UV filters. 

>

[Guest guest]

I have been in search of Cholestyramine without sugar or fake sweeteners. So

far I have been told it is not available on the market anywhere. Do people

actually take cholestyramine for candida? From everything I have read and

heard, sugar feeds candida. So if you have candida, how can you take this stuff

(with sugar)? It is loaded. Are people taking the CSM with fake sweeteners if

they have candida?

On Nov 28, 2010, at 2:55 AM, listspub wrote:

> Was it here that someone posted about the act of pulling bile and the body

having to make more is straining to the adrenals?

>

> I am wondering about this... my adrenals and autonomic nervous system are very

sensitive. There is a genetic tendency here.. it runs in my family whether there

is a trigger or not.. this is a common result for us.

>

> I am thinking this bile pulling and subsequent need for the body to produce

more would be or feel straining for the body.

>

> Wondering if lower doses would catch enough toxins yet allow the body some

sense of balance stresswise.. there is obviously no perfect solution and I can

quit csm all together but I would like to find a balance.

>

> Robin

>

>