Re: Is the EPA Playing Dumb on Dispersants?

[Guest guest]

This is all a dog & pony show. When the time is right, the dispersants will

spread across the US, and people will inhale it's toxic VOC's. The contaminated

sea-food will be sold at the grocers, unlabelled, just like the FDA allows now.

Americans will get sick on a massive scale, and it will not be blamed on the

dispersants, but on " germs " instead. Then will come martial law, loss of

rights, forced vaccinations, which will cause the REAL damage. The media will

ignore the dispersant/VOC cause, the environmental cause, and sell the whole

scenario as a new plague, a bird-flu..., yeah... & then everyone is a threat who

does not submit to the vaccines. They have the media, so they make the " truth "

to the blind believers out there who refuse to see with their own eyes.

Also, anyone who knows ANYTHING about germs knows that the germ-theory is false,

Pasteur was a liar, Bechamp's pleomorphic theory is how disease works, and

vaccines, dangerous " germs " , and the whole establishment is one of the most

wicked sorcerous lies oppressing modern civilization.

America will lose all of it's trees when the survivors burn them all down to

make activated charcoal to keep the poisonous VOC's out of their lungs. It will

become a desert waste-land, where only people with make-shift gas-masks roam,

half-mad, in the ozone-depleated atmosphere. All the whites will die out

because they lack enough mellanin to protect their skin from the sun, when there

is no shade. Only the mixed and non-white races will survive. There you have

it. Guns & gold wont do you no good when it comes. Activated charcoal masks

may be more valuable than gold, but without a police force to protect the owner,

nothing of value would be worth having, for it would just make the survivor a

target.

[Guest guest]

Someone's been " inhaling " too many " conspiracy theory " web sites. Lets focus on

our specific issues and not try to spread political " truth " .

........................................

>

> This is all a dog & pony show. When the time is right, the dispersants will

spread across the US, and people will inhale it's toxic VOC's. The contaminated

sea-food will be sold at the grocers, unlabelled, just like the FDA allows now.

Americans will get sick on a massive scale, and it will not be blamed on the

dispersants, but on " germs " instead. Then will come martial law, loss of

rights, forced vaccinations, which will cause the REAL damage. The media will

ignore the dispersant/VOC cause, the environmental cause, and sell the whole

scenario as a new plague, a bird-flu..., yeah... & then everyone is a threat who

does not submit to the vaccines. They have the media, so they make the " truth "

to the blind believers out there who refuse to see with their own eyes.

[Guest guest]

Joe,

I would have to strongly disagree with you. There is a real problem here

with lack of transparency within the EPA and failure to disclose to the

public of the potential for ill health effects from the situation.

And old friend of mine, who I became acquainted with during the 911

hearings of 2007(regarding sickness in the 911 workers), has spoken out. He

was

an ombudsmen for people and is still employed by the EPA - Hugh Kaufman.

Todd- Whitman shut down the ombudsman office after Hugh spoke out of the

911 fiasco. They couldn't fire him because he has been an effective

intra-agency whistleblower for 40 years - even causing one EPA employee to go

to

jail for perjury of lying to Congress in 1985.

What they are doing is nothing new. They downplay known risks under the

guise of not wanting to alarm the public. Sound familiar? Ya know, the

mold issue?

The reality is, there are so many smudged fingers - on both sides of the

isle and in gov agencies - that they fear liability for not doing their

jobs - that is an additional motivation to sweep it all under the rug. At

that point, it makes them complicit.

It is not a game. And no one is reading too many conspiracy websites.

Unfortunately, it is reality and anyone who is on this board and has ever

been treated like dirt by a misinformed physician for saying mold makes them

ill - KNOWS just what a serious situation this is.

You can watch a video of Hugh discussing the problem of the EPA's lack of

transparency and failure to act to protect the public - yet AGAIN.

_EPA Whistleblower Accuses Agency of Covering Up Effects of Dispersant in

BP Oil Spill Cleanup_

(http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/20/epa_whistleblower_accuses_agency_of_cover\

ing)

_http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/20/epa_whistleblower_accuses_agency_of_c

overing_

(http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/20/epa_whistleblower_accuses_agency_of_cover\

ing)

There is a problem here. In recent years, BP Oil has contributed over

$16M to political campaigns and lobbying efforts. This money has gone 60%

Republican and 40% Democrat.

Wake up, Joe, and don't make fun of those who actually do their homework.

YOUR future depends on it.

In a message dated 7/22/2010 5:04:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

josephsalowitz@... writes:

Someone's been " inhaling " too many " conspiracy theory " web sites. Lets

focus on our specific issues and not try to spread political " truth " .

........................................

--- In _ _

(mailto: ) , " research1844 " <research1844@...>

wrote:

>

> This is all a dog & pony show. When the time is right, the dispersants

will spread across the US, and people will inhale it's toxic VOC's. The

contaminated sea-food will be sold at the grocers, unlabelled, just like the

FDA allows now. Americans will get sick on a massive scale, and it will not

be blamed on the dispersants, but on " germs " instead. Then will come martial

law, loss of rights, forced vaccinations, which will cause the REAL

damage. The media will ignore the dispersant/VOC cause, the environmental

cause,

and sell the whole scenario as a new plague, a bird-flu..., yeah... & then

everyone is a threat who does not submit to the vaccines. They have the

media, so they make the " truth " to the blind believers out there who refuse to

see with their own eyes.

Sharon Noonan Kramer

[Guest guest]

He, he. That was funny Joe. But the political " truth " is not funny really.

>

> Someone's been " inhaling " too many " conspiracy theory " web sites. Lets focus

on our specific issues and not try to spread political " truth " .

[Guest guest]

Could it be a matter of whether the " US Coast Guard " has been given " priority "

and final authority with regard the oil spill? EPA has traditionally " backed

off " for IAQ under " jurisdictional issues " saying they are in charge of the

" outdoors " and not " indoors. " Now this is an " outdoor " issue and an important

one.

Ideally they should both be working together and not on different pages both for

the service people and those employed in the private sector on the cleanup.

>

>

>

> Joe,

>

> I would have to strongly disagree with you. There is a real problem here

> with lack of transparency within the EPA and failure to disclose to the

> public of the potential for ill health effects from the situation.

>

> And old friend of mine, who I became acquainted with during the 911

> hearings of 2007(regarding sickness in the 911 workers), has spoken out. He

was

> an ombudsmen for people and is still employed by the EPA - Hugh Kaufman.

> Todd- Whitman shut down the ombudsman office after Hugh spoke out of the

> 911 fiasco. They couldn't fire him because he has been an effective

> intra-agency whistleblower for 40 years - even causing one EPA employee to go

to

> jail for perjury of lying to Congress in 1985.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I remember listening to on a radio show about they didn't know what

the dipersants would do.  they had no previous testing on its safety, so what

they were doing with it in the gulf she called it a  field  test. and monitor

it closely.   hmmmmm, I think this will come back to haunt her for years.  

From: snk1955@... <snk1955@...>

Subject: Re: [] Re: Is the EPA Playing Dumb on Dispersants?

Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 5:40 AM

Joe,

I would have to strongly disagree with you. There is a real problem here

with lack of transparency within the EPA and failure to disclose to the

public of the potential for ill health effects from the situation.

And old friend of mine, who I became acquainted with during the 911

hearings of 2007(regarding sickness in the 911 workers), has spoken out. He

was

an ombudsmen for people and is still employed by the EPA - Hugh Kaufman.

Todd- Whitman shut down the ombudsman office after Hugh spoke out of the

911 fiasco. They couldn't fire him because he has been an effective

intra-agency whistleblower for 40 years - even causing one EPA employee to go

to

jail for perjury of lying to Congress in 1985.

[Guest guest]

Amen.

Barth

www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

---

s> He, he. That was funny Joe. But the political " truth " is not funny really.

s>

>>

>> Someone's been " inhaling " too many " conspiracy theory " web sites. Lets focus

on our specific issues and not try to spread political " truth " .

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

I agree with everything you are saying. I should have elaborated on what I meant

by " inhaling too many conspiracy theory web sites " , in my reply to the posting

made by " research 1844 " ...

(post is clipped here because we are going to cut political topic. Sorry Joe,

nothing personal but posting just part where you say you agree with Sharon and

that you didn't explain fully.) Moderator,

...................................

>

>Joe,

>

> I would have to strongly disagree with you.

[Guest guest]

No. I don't think that is the case. Hugh Kaufman has been an EPA

employee for 40 yrs. He has spoken out when the EPA has fallen down on the

job.

To the best of my knowledge, he has always been spot on. If he is speaking

out this loud about this one - based on his long term of being an employee

and how it is suppose to work, I am inclined to believe that the EPA has

not done what they are suppose to do. But...with that said, I don't think

the EPA is the soul cause of the problem - by a long shot. And, it is a

very complex matter. Seems to me like there have been many errors made.

Errors are errors in my book. Failure to acknowledge error is a whole nother

story.

Sharon

In a message dated 7/22/2010 5:30:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

ginloi@... writes:

Could it be a matter of whether the " US Coast Guard " has been given

" priority " and final authority with regard the oil spill? EPA has traditionally

" backed off " for IAQ under " jurisdictional issues " saying they are in charge

of the " outdoors " and not " indoors. " Now this is an " outdoor " issue and an

important one.

Ideally they should both be working together and not on different pages

both for the service people and those employed in the private sector on the

cleanup.

>

>

>

> Joe,

>

> I would have to strongly disagree with you. There is a real problem here

> with lack of transparency within the EPA and failure to disclose to the

> public of the potential for ill health effects from the situation.

>

> And old friend of mine, who I became acquainted with during the 911

> hearings of 2007(regarding sickness in the 911 workers), has spoken out.

He was

> an ombudsmen for people and is still employed by the EPA - Hugh Kaufman.

> Todd- Whitman shut down the ombudsman office after Hugh spoke out of the

> 911 fiasco. They couldn't fire him because he has been an effective

> intra-agency whistleblower for 40 years - even causing one EPA employee

to go to

> jail for perjury of lying to Congress in 1985.

[Guest guest]

Joe,

Yea, I know. KC explained it to me.

Thanks,

Sharon

In a message dated 7/22/2010 5:51:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

josephsalowitz@... writes:

I agree with everything you are saying. I should have elaborated on what I

meant by " inhaling too many conspiracy theory web sites " , in my reply to

the posting made by " research 1844 " ...

(post is clipped here because we are going to cut political topic. Sorry

Joe, nothing personal but posting just part where you say you agree with

Sharon and that you didn't explain fully.) Moderator,

[Guest guest]

EPA is prohibited by law from regulating the indoor environment. They can

educate and create guidelines but are not allowed to enforce them.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[] Re: Is the EPA Playing Dumb on Dispersants?

Could it be a matter of whether the " US Coast Guard " has been given " priority "

and final authority with regard the oil spill? EPA has traditionally " backed

off " for IAQ under " jurisdictional issues " saying they are in charge of the

" outdoors " and not " indoors. " Now this is an " outdoor " issue and an important

one.

Ideally they should both be working together and not on different pages both for

the service people and those employed in the private sector on the cleanup.

>

>

>

> Joe,

>

> I would have to strongly disagree with you. There is a real problem here

> with lack of transparency within the EPA and failure to disclose to the

> public of the potential for ill health effects from the situation.

>

> And old friend of mine, who I became acquainted with during the 911

> hearings of 2007(regarding sickness in the 911 workers), has spoken out. He

was

> an ombudsmen for people and is still employed by the EPA - Hugh Kaufman.

> Todd- Whitman shut down the ombudsman office after Hugh spoke out of the

> 911 fiasco. They couldn't fire him because he has been an effective

> intra-agency whistleblower for 40 years - even causing one EPA employee to go

to

> jail for perjury of lying to Congress in 1985.

>

>