Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Seems like this group has become an avenue for sales and people looking for questionaires filled out. Do we have a moderator? To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I just delete anything with this guy’s name. From: autism-aspergers [mailto:autism-aspergers ] On Behalf Of G Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:34 PM To: autism-aspergers Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice Seems like this group has become an avenue for sales and people looking for questionaires filled out. Do we have a moderator? From: and To: " autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff From: Phil Bate PhD To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtml For a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you. Good night and God speed. Keisha Allsop, MPA To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 You folks are amazing if any of you took a minute off of your high hoarses you would see that i was not selling anyting. Are we not al parents of autistic children...seriously i was asking us to unite in spreading awareness. I also said there is no money required. take off your oh so righteous blinders and read the post properly. wow. i thought the outside world was rude. amazing To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice Seems like this group has become an avenue for sales and people looking for questionaires filled out. Do we have a moderator? To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Sounds like a plan To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: RE: Re: Help and Advice I just delete anything with this guy’s name. From: autism-aspergers [mailto: autism-aspergers ] On Behalf Of G Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:34 PM To: autism-aspergers Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice Seems like this group has become an avenue for sales and people looking for questionaires filled out. Do we have a moderator? From: and To: " autism-aspergers " < autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff From: Phil Bate PhD To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtml For a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Hmmm.....I had not read or responded before...so, I wanted to see what you were so upset about. I just read your website. Looks like it is something you are looking to sell. "Money back guarantee" tells me whatever this is...it is certainly for sale!?!? I am not surprised at all that some were upset. Lori Subject: Re: Re: Help and AdviceTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:32 PM You folks are amazing if any of you took a minute off of your high hoarses you would see that i was not selling anyting. Are we not al parents of autistic children...seriously i was asking us to unite in spreading awareness. I also said there is no money required. take off your oh so righteous blinders and read the post properly. wow. i thought the outside world was rude. amazing To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice Seems like this group has become an avenue for sales and people looking for questionaires filled out. Do we have a moderator? To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Yes, I am the moderator. It would be good if there was more than one, but until the owner turns up and appoints another one, I am it. This group is about support and awareness. It is also a good place for those doing research to ask for help. We all complain about lack of services, but the only way we will get those services is if there is sufficient research to demonstrate a need. We know autism should be a top priority, but those with control of resources and funding need to be convinced, and whether we like it or not, they will listen to professionals more than to parents. There are also so many unanswered questions regarding autism that research is needed to find the answers. I am not sure why a post saying 'X offers a service that could help' is received with gratitude, but one saying 'I offer a service that might help' causes so much offense. Dr Bate rarely posts, and no one is obliged to buy anything from him if they don't want to. Nor does anyone need to read his website. There are many professionals who will quite happily charge you $1-200 to provide the same information - and in most cases insurance will subsidise your cost. Neurotherapy is widely recognised as a treatment for both AS and ADHD, so Dr Bate is not offering something that the professional world sees as strange. I saw my psychologist this morning and he urged me to give serious consideration to neurotherapy. It doesn't work for everyone, but so far nothing has been proven to work for everyone. Other people on here offer services you are also free to follow up with or ignore. I try to keep posts offering services to a minimum - and there is a folder on our homepage where professionals can post a list of what they offer - but it seems silly in a group where we regulatory ask 'who can I see for this or that' to ban posts saying 'I offer that service'. I have asked people to only post an initial post saying what they offer, or to post in reply to a request. Most of the time that is happening now. I also only approve posts asking for volunteers for research if I believe it is applicable to this group - and some of it isn't. No one who posts for volunteers for research or who offers professional services is un-moderated unless they have demonstrated over time that they will post responsibly. While some people see this list as being only for parents to support each other, the home page says it is "for parents and caregivers of kids with autism and aspergers, and any other disability" and "Professionals are welcome as well". The purpose is "to share stories, ideas, treatments, therapies, advice and support". I see an occasional post from those offering services and therapies as fitting in with that. In future, rather than having long debates over this issue (or any other management issue) in the group, if anyone has a problem I would appreciate them emailing me first. Any email sent to: autism-aspergers-owner will go to the owner [when her account stops bouncing] and to me. [moderator] On 20/07/2012 11:33 AM, G wrote:  Seems like this group has become an avenue for sales and people looking for questionaires filled out. Do we have a moderator? From: and To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice  No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff From: Phil Bate PhD To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice  My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtml For a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5142 - Release Date: 07/19/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Keisha Your email hasn't been posted yet. You sent it to the group owner, not the group. I am just about to send it on now. [moderator] On 20/07/2012 12:30 PM, Keisha Allsop wrote:  With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you.  Good night and God speed.  Keisha Allsop, MPA From: and To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice  No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff From: Phil Bate PhD To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice  My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtml For a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5142 - Release Date: 07/19/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Could everyone please park your horses and not reply to this. Thank you. [moderator] On 20/07/2012 12:32 PM, Keisha Allsop wrote:  You folks are amazing if any of you took a minute off of your high hoarses you would see that i was not selling anyting. Are we not al parents of autistic children...seriously i was asking us to unite in spreading awareness. I also said there is no money required. take off your oh so righteous blinders and read the post properly. wow. i thought the outside world was rude. amazing From: G To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice  Seems like this group has become an avenue for sales and people looking for questionaires filled out. Do we have a moderator? From: and To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice  No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff From: Phil Bate PhD To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice  My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtml For a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5142 - Release Date: 07/19/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Keisha,Are you with Dr Bate? I think there may have been some confusion? I read your post and I think your organization looks wonderful. But, I think some were responding about Dr Bate and maybe you thought it had to do with you?Anyway....welcome!LoriSubject: Re: Re: Help and AdviceTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:30 PM With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you. Good night and God speed. Keisha Allsop, MPA To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 First, let me say that my question about if we have a moderator was a face value question. I was not sure if we had one where we could bring concerns. Now I do, and I have an email address as well. This is good information. I may never use it, but I have that info at hand, should I need to.Second, An attempt to sell directly from the person who owns/sells a product or service comes across suspicious because it is a common marketing technique. For professionals to ask questions or get advice, absolutely. Otherwise, I would not expect a professional touting a service to show up at my monthly support meetings . It just doesn't feel sincere. It feels like a marketing avenue rather than an attempt attempt at promotion of a product, not an assistance. This site DOES require payment for the product/service. I was not trying to be insulting. As for questionnaires, I have filled out quite a few myself already, and more keep coming. It is hard to want to continue, because it can make my feel like a guinea pig, not a parent looking for support from their community. I very rarely post myself, only when someone is looking for support or answers and I actually have a definitive answer. If I am correct, this isn't this poster's first post about a product or service. That is where my issue lies. At a certain point it becomes less about helping and more about promoting. Either way, I would not have made a big deal about it on here. That's why I asked if we have a mod.I took an Ambien and still can't sleep. My apologies if this is disjointed or hard to understand. I suppose this like posting while drunk. I hope you understand where I was coming from.Thanks To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:32 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice You folks are amazing if any of you took a minute off of your high hoarses you would see that i was not selling anyting. Are we not al parents of autistic children...seriously i was asking us to unite in spreading awareness. I also said there is no money required. take off your oh so righteous blinders and read the post properly. wow. i thought the outside world was rude. amazing To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice Seems like this group has become an avenue for sales and people looking for questionaires filled out. Do we have a moderator? To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Yes. Responses to Dr. Bate, not Keisha. Welcome to you Keisha. and sorry all, posted before I saw the mod request to not post. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice Keisha,Are you with Dr Bate? I think there may have been some confusion? I read your post and I think your organization looks wonderful. But, I think some were responding about Dr Bate and maybe you thought it had to do with you?Anyway....welcome!LoriSubject: Re: Re: Help and AdviceTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:30 PM With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you. Good night and God speed. Keisha Allsop, MPA To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I agree with . We are all asking for help here. How else do you expect to get it but from people who know the field and if they have to talk about their " company " or " business " to get the point across, then that is what we need to hear. Yes, I take advice from other parents, but how many times have you gotten wrong advice or just someone's " opinion " and they really don't know the correct answer. I don't know how many stories I have heard about the autism-insurance coverage and it's all different. I decided to go to the AAoM and sign up for the Webinar Workshop to find out the info I really need. So for example, I advertised my " Fundraising For a Personal Cause " book on here because I became and expert in the field because I had to do it for my family (because we don't qualify for any assistance) and I took 1-year to research the info in which most people never think of for fundraisers. So I want others to know about what I did so that it can help them. I am selling it, not giving it away for free because I feel I did all the work and I deserve it. I don't see anything wrong with trying to share my work. I am very proud of myself for doing it and worked really hard at it. Many people tell me that a book like this is needed. So don't you want to get your info from people who know what they are talking about? Sometimes you have to pay for that service. And I know that I have considered buying Dr. Bate CD's because I am going through therapy with my son right now for ADD and our insurance only covers 50% of services and we only get 20 visits per year. So I need more. Thanks for listening > > Yes, I am the moderator. It would be good if there was more than one, > but until the owner turns up and appoints another one, I am it. > > This group is about support /*and*/ awareness. It is also a good place > for those doing research to ask for help. We all complain about lack of > services, but the only way we will get those services is if there is > sufficient research to demonstrate a need. We know autism should be a > top priority, but those with control of resources and funding need to be > convinced, and whether we like it or not, they will listen to > professionals more than to parents. There are also so many unanswered > questions regarding autism that research is needed to find the answers. > > I am not sure why a post saying 'X offers a service that could help' is > received with gratitude, but one saying 'I offer a service that might > help' causes so much offense. Dr Bate rarely posts, and no one is > obliged to buy anything from him if they don't want to. Nor does anyone > need to read his website. There are many professionals who will quite > happily charge you $1-200 to provide the same information - and in most > cases insurance will subsidise your cost. Neurotherapy is widely > recognised as a treatment for both AS and ADHD, so Dr Bate is not > offering something that the professional world sees as strange. I saw > my psychologist this morning and he urged me to give serious > consideration to neurotherapy. It doesn't work for everyone, but so far > nothing has been proven to work for everyone. Other people on here > offer services you are also free to follow up with or ignore. > > I try to keep posts offering services to a minimum - and there is a > folder on our homepage where professionals can post a list of what they > offer - but it seems silly in a group where we regulatory ask 'who can I > see for this or that' to ban posts saying 'I offer that service'. I > have asked people to only post an initial post saying what they offer, > or to post in reply to a request. Most of the time that is happening > now. I also only approve posts asking for volunteers for research if I > believe it is applicable to this group - and some of it isn't. No one > who posts for volunteers for research or who offers professional > services is un-moderated unless they have demonstrated over time that > they will post responsibly. > > While some people see this list as being only for parents to support > each other, the home page says it is " for parents and caregivers of kids > with autism and aspergers, and any other disability " and " Professionals > are welcome as well " . The purpose is " to share stories, ideas, > treatments, therapies, advice and support " . I see an occasional post > from those offering services and therapies as fitting in with that. > > In future, rather than having long debates over this issue (or any other > management issue) in the group, if anyone has a problem I would > appreciate them emailing me first. Any email sent to: > autism-aspergers-owner will go to the owner [when her > account stops bouncing] and to me. > > [moderator] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 ok, I think I was confused I started seeing post saying dont try to sell us anything and took great offense because i knew i wasnt my website my information and everything I do is free. Autism means alot to me. I am not a mother who sits and talk about it I am out there trying to be that difference I want to see. SO when i saw all these post in my email i thought this is not for me.I only now understand based on your email that there was someone trying to sell something that sent parents in a tizzy. I thank you and hope I dont receive that type of response to what I presented. which as you read is simply all of us coming outof our safety box and telling someone new about what autism really is. hoping to have apleasant experience, there is enough shunning from the world i dont need it here best keisha To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice Keisha Your email hasn't been posted yet. You sent it to the group owner, not the group. I am just about to send it on now. [moderator] On 20/07/2012 12:30 PM, Keisha Allsop wrote: With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you. Good night and God speed. Keisha Allsop, MPA From: and mailto:alexandriairma@... To: mailto:autism-aspergers mailto:autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff From: Phil Bate PhD mailto:drbate@... To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtml For a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5142 - Release Date: 07/19/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Finally a question and thanks for asking. I have no idea who Dr. Bates is and I took some offense (not knowing their was a Dr. bates) at the responses I was getting because i have nothing to sell, i ask for no contributions everything I do concerning autism is free including the workshops i have done in churches , police precinct , community organizations health fairs etc. My twitter account and fb page is all about autism. So I hope everyone would read my post properly and know i was just trying to unite with those that understand our plight to make this campaign successful. Awareness is still lacking and we should not grow weary in telling folks (new folks about ASD) thank you so much for reaching out to me it was becoming discouraging. Hope to be an active member Best Keisha To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice Keisha,Are you with Dr Bate? I think there may have been some confusion? I read your post and I think your organization looks wonderful. But, I think some were responding about Dr Bate and maybe you thought it had to do with you?Anyway....welcome!LoriSubject: Re: Re: Help and AdviceTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:30 PM With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you. Good night and God speed. Keisha Allsop, MPA To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Thanks again I was bombarded by all the negative responses and about selling when I knew my post said nothing about selling . I thank you for this response and for the assurance that I am in the right place. If my responses offended I to apologize but everything came so quickly I wondered if I was in the wrong in place. Again I am not selling anything and I still hope you all would check my website and see I am all about autism awareness all the time. Sincerely,keisha Allsop To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice Yes. Responses to Dr. Bate, not Keisha. Welcome to you Keisha. and sorry all, posted before I saw the mod request to not post. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice Keisha,Are you with Dr Bate? I think there may have been some confusion? I read your post and I think your organization looks wonderful. But, I think some were responding about Dr Bate and maybe you thought it had to do with you?Anyway....welcome!LoriSubject: Re: Re: Help and AdviceTo: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers >Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:30 PM With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you. Good night and God speed. Keisha Allsop, MPA To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff To: autism-aspergers Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 This is in reply to several of the email responses. , I think your book is a good idea for families. Our family falls through the cracks. We make too much for assistance but not enough to afford the help. Keisha, I did not direct anything to you, I had not seen your email until this afternoon. I actually think what you’re doing is great and I scanned your site and intend to read more, clearly you have done some homework! Thank you for compiling this information. What I didn’t appreciate was the high horse comment, I just wish you would have read the email subject line before blasting away. It wasn’t fair. I did not expect such a response from asking Dr. Bate to not sell me something. Let me explain why I replied what I replied to him. I feel the only thing Dr. Bate does is promote his products. I feel his approach is gimmicky….. If it’s too good to be true it probably is….. sort of thing. 1) I did give him the benefit of the doubt and looked at his site (a long time ago and again recently). He has amazing claims from improving autism, enhancing breasts and possibly preventing death in an anaphylactic reaction and a whole lot more when you use his techniques. What a resume! (yes that is sarcasm) 2) I could not find his credentials, I apologize if they are there and I didn’t see it. I saw he worked for RCA and Philco but he never mentioned his medical schooling or training? I would think knowing a medical school he attended and where he trained is more important than knowing he worked for Philco or RCA? What’s the relevance of knowing he worked for two electronic companies? Wouldn’t you want to know his medical background? I also felt he played on some guilt parents feel for medicating their child. At this time I may not be into medicating my child however there are some kids who undeniably benefit from medication, mine may need in the future. Parents should not be shamed for their decisions. 3) I feel it is easy to prey on people who are so desperate for help and answers to fall for his claims and few testimonials. I know many parents who are so desperate they will try anything at any expense. So many of us already know the financial repercussions of autism. 4) His claim to having a ton of “proof†(on autism) wasn’t sufficient in my opinion since his site mentions two books with a combined total of 14 pages. If there is more “proof†to his claims that I missed I apologize. 5) Isn’t it dangerous to try something without the supervision of a Doctor, as in one you physically see and are monitored by in person? So there you have it, those are my feelings and why I asked him not to try to sell me something. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice I agree with . We are all asking for help here. How else do you expect to get it but from people who know the field and if they have to talk about their "company" or "business" to get the point across, then that is what we need to hear. Yes, I take advice from other parents, but how many times have you gotten wrong advice or just someone's "opinion" and they really don't know the correct answer. I don't know how many stories I have heard about the autism-insurance coverage and it's all different. I decided to go to the AAoM and sign up for the Webinar Workshop to find out the info I really need. So for example, I advertised my "Fundraising For a Personal Cause" book on here because I became and expert in the field because I had to do it for my family (because we don't qualify for any assistance) and I took 1-year to research the info in which most people never think of for fundraisers. So I want others to know about what I did so that it can help them. I am selling it, not giving it away for free because I feel I did all the work and I deserve it. I don't see anything wrong with trying to share my work. I am very proud of myself for doing it and worked really hard at it. Many people tell me that a book like this is needed. So don't you want to get your info from people who know what they are talking about? Sometimes you have to pay for that service. And I know that I have considered buying Dr. Bate CD's because I am going through therapy with my son right now for ADD and our insurance only covers 50% of services and we only get 20 visits per year. So I need more. Thanks for listening > > Yes, I am the moderator. It would be good if there was more than one, > but until the owner turns up and appoints another one, I am it. > > This group is about support /*and*/ awareness. It is also a good place > for those doing research to ask for help. We all complain about lack of > services, but the only way we will get those services is if there is > sufficient research to demonstrate a need. We know autism should be a > top priority, but those with control of resources and funding need to be > convinced, and whether we like it or not, they will listen to > professionals more than to parents. There are also so many unanswered > questions regarding autism that research is needed to find the answers. > > I am not sure why a post saying 'X offers a service that could help' is > received with gratitude, but one saying 'I offer a service that might > help' causes so much offense. Dr Bate rarely posts, and no one is > obliged to buy anything from him if they don't want to. Nor does anyone > need to read his website. There are many professionals who will quite > happily charge you $1-200 to provide the same information - and in most > cases insurance will subsidise your cost. Neurotherapy is widely > recognised as a treatment for both AS and ADHD, so Dr Bate is not > offering something that the professional world sees as strange. I saw > my psychologist this morning and he urged me to give serious > consideration to neurotherapy. It doesn't work for everyone, but so far > nothing has been proven to work for everyone. Other people on here > offer services you are also free to follow up with or ignore. > > I try to keep posts offering services to a minimum - and there is a > folder on our homepage where professionals can post a list of what they > offer - but it seems silly in a group where we regulatory ask 'who can I > see for this or that' to ban posts saying 'I offer that service'. I > have asked people to only post an initial post saying what they offer, > or to post in reply to a request. Most of the time that is happening > now. I also only approve posts asking for volunteers for research if I > believe it is applicable to this group - and some of it isn't. No one > who posts for volunteers for research or who offers professional > services is un-moderated unless they have demonstrated over time that > they will post responsibly. > > While some people see this list as being only for parents to support > each other, the home page says it is "for parents and caregivers of kids > with autism and aspergers, and any other disability" and "Professionals > are welcome as well". The purpose is "to share stories, ideas, > treatments, therapies, advice and support". I see an occasional post > from those offering services and therapies as fitting in with that. > > In future, rather than having long debates over this issue (or any other > management issue) in the group, if anyone has a problem I would > appreciate them emailing me first. Any email sent to: > autism-aspergers-owner will go to the owner [when her > account stops bouncing] and to me. > > [moderator] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 and others, Thank you for the kind words. I have " annoyed " many parents of autistic kids because I used the term " normalized " in describing what my Neuroliminal Training does, and some of these parents seem to prefer to think of their child as " normal " , but different. The facts are simple. These kids are not " normal " , but have development problems with their brain. Neurotherapy in the form of Neurofeedback aka EEG biofeedback has been used for about 50 years in solving such problems. In 2000, I became an " expert " in this therapy, but because it is so expensive using " doctors " services, I started a leasing and selling service for the electronic equipment . Any person with even average intelligence can easily learn how to operate this equipment, and in actual fact most equipment is operated by the secretary, but the charge is often upwards of $200 per half hour. In 2004, I found a method of doing the same brain wave changing as NFB provides, and with volunteer testing proved that it works. And, even better, it only costs a fraction of the cost of NFB, because no " doctor time " or expensive equipment is required. I quit my profitable leasing and selling of that equipment. In 2006, I tested an improved version, that both raised the SMR brain wave and lowered the Theta brain wave amplitudes on autistic children, and proved that this therapy was just as effective as NFB. Since then, I have improved this particular CD several times. The success rate has become so good in that time that I offered a money back guarantee if " noticeable improvement " was not seen in any autistic child. My return rate has been around 1% since. There is no person or company working in this field to my knowledge that offers such a guarantee. Now, as to my education and knowledge. I happen to have an IQ of 148 (measured by Mensa), which is above the " genius " level. I have been studying psychology since I was 21 and got hypnotized for severe dental phobia. It was my primary " hobby " , and I was awarded a Masters degree by Columbia Pacific University in 1979 based on that knowledge plus an oral examination. My PhD was awarded in 1980 by the same University on the writing of my PhD thesis on the testing of hypnosis and different results by different researchers with different ideas. I had a pro bono schizophrenic young woman that same year, and was able to cure her schizophrenia by using Orthomolecular Therapy (much to my surprise and delight). In 2007, I started to develop a 4 part therapy that solved most mental problems. It involves getting rid of toxic minerals such as mercury and aluminum and copper, changing the brain waves as described above, and solving the twin problems of nutrition and digestion caused by the autism or depression or schizophrenia. That free lengthy article has been modified and improved over the years since. It is free to download at http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml. I also offer a free article for parents about the various expensive therapies found at seminars and shows, what they are, how much they cost, and how effective they are in general. That article is at http://drbate.com/content./alternateTherapies.shtml I also give away different free psychological tests that can be done at home at http://drbate.com/content/testing_diagnostics.shtml The only thing I sell are my NT CD's. I " give away " my 30+ years as an orthomolecular psychologist knowledge in about 100 free web pages on my web site. I have been called a " quack " by many MD's, but since every important advance in medicine has been made by someone who was called a quack by his/her contemporaries, that's a compliment - I'm in the company of Semmelweiss, Lister, Curie, up to Linus ing, Jonas Salk, and Carl Pfeiffer. I have made no secret that I despise Big Pharma and the FDA which does not protect the public, but Big Pharma. has a lot of money to spread false information about me and others who are involved in " Alternate Health " That's my story. I've made a lot of very powerful and very rich enemies, and they have spread lies about me on the web. There are also a lot of fair people on this site, and I'll leave it to you to judge who's right and wrong here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I'd like to weigh in on this discussion being on both sides of the coin. I really don't understand listservs that ban advertisement of a product designed for our kids. How else will you learn about things that are helpful? And especially when you have a moderator who can look at each post individually to see the merit of the product or service. Through the years, I have offered parents access to my web classes that I teach professionals in my field on technology and autism (computer-based intervention, iPad etc). I never understood why some listservs refused to post them. They never cost much and the information is quite valuable. Most recently, I wrote a book which deals with the future of adults on the spectrum. For some reason,on certain listservs, I am able to list the link as part of my signature (see bottom), but I can't post it in the body of the text. I don't know about you, but as a parent of a son with autism, I want access to ALL the information I can get. I think that I have the ability to weed through what I want to investigate and what I don't. I don't think I want someone else telling me that something that costs money is not valuable information for me to know. Herskowitz, MA CCC-SLP Author of Always Leave Them Laughing The Future of Our Children with Developmental Disabilities Must Be Addressed https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/181423 http://www.amazon.com/Always-Leave-Them-Laughing-ebook/dp/B008MAGIWE/ref=sr_1_1?\ ie=UTF8 & qid=1342748926 & sr=8-1 & keywords=valerie+herskowitz+always+leave+them+laug\ hing > > > > >Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice > >To: " autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > > >Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:30 PM > > > > > > > >With all due respect if you read my email you would see I am not selling anything or asking for anything. I was looking for like minded people who believe that we need to educate others on the signs and symptoms of autism. I am a serious person and a mother of an autistic son. This is not a joke to me. If I offended you I apologize but i can see we are not on the same page concerning awareness and i will not contact you again. But i ask that you do not judge me unless you have read my story. If you took a moment to read my post you would not have sent me this very rude and abrupt email even if you were not interested . I wish you the best in your journey and pray you don't encounter what I just did with you. > > > >Good night and God speed. > > > >Keisha Allsop, MPA > > > >________________________________ > > > >To: " autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:43 PM > >Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice > > > > > >No offense but please don't try to sell me your stuff > > > >________________________________ > > > >To: autism-aspergers > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:25 AM > >Subject: Re: Help and Advice > > > > > >My Neuroliminal Training CD's solve these problems. I like the metaphor of a car running 100 MPH. My therapies slow the car over time by slowly changing brain waves, and removing toxic minerals. And, it's guaranteed to show noticeably improvement within 60 days, or return it for refund. For testimonials check out - http://drbate.com/content/testimonials.shtmlFor a lengthy free article on a 4 part therapy done at home that has worked for hundreds: http://drbate.com/content/integrated.shtml > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 No apology necessary it was a misunderstanding. I'm sorry you felt hurt and glad this is all resolved. I look forward to exchanging messages through this board. Have a nice day. If guns kill people then pencils cause misspelled words To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:47 PM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice I do apologize but i really got several emails that I felt were attacking me in my email address I did not know how this whole thing worked and just saw email after email accusing me (as I thought) of something that I wasn't doing so I felt reallyhurt then quickly annoyed, hence I responded in a manner that is not becoming of me as autism is near and dear to my heart as is all others on this journey with me.. Like I said I am new, but I should have practiced due diligence. I thanks you for the encouragement that you gave in spite of this whole mix up. Hope we can unite in the future as we are really all in this together and we have enough negativity in the world we dont need it with each other. take care for now Keisha To: "autism-aspergers " <autism-aspergers > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Re: Help and Advice This is in reply to several of the email responses. , I think your book is a good idea for families. Our family falls through the cracks. We make too much for assistance but not enough to afford the help. Keisha, I did not direct anything to you, I had not seen your email until this afternoon. I actually think what you’re doing is great and I scanned your site and intend to read more, clearly you have done some homework! Thank you for compiling this information. What I didn’t appreciate was the high horse comment, I just wish you would have read the email subject line before blasting away. It wasn’t fair. I did not expect such a response from asking Dr. Bate to not sell me something. Let me explain why I replied what I replied to him. I feel the only thing Dr. Bate does is promote his products. I feel his approach is gimmicky….. If it’s too good to be true it probably is….. sort of thing. 1) I did give him the benefit of the doubt and looked at his site (a long time ago and again recently). He has amazing claims from improving autism, enhancing breasts and possibly preventing death in an anaphylactic reaction and a whole lot more when you use his techniques. What a resume! (yes that is sarcasm) 2) I could not find his credentials, I apologize if they are there and I didn’t see it. I saw he worked for RCA and Philco but he never mentioned his medical schooling or training? I would think knowing a medical school he attended and where he trained is more important than knowing he worked for Philco or RCA? What’s the relevance of knowing he worked for two electronic companies? Wouldn’t you want to know his medical background? I also felt he played on some guilt parents feel for medicating their child. At this time I may not be into medicating my child however there are some kids who undeniably benefit from medication, mine may need in the future. Parents should not be shamed for their decisions. 3) I feel it is easy to prey on people who are so desperate for help and answers to fall for his claims and few testimonials. I know many parents who are so desperate they will try anything at any expense. So many of us already know the financial repercussions of autism. 4) His claim to having a ton of “proof†(on autism) wasn’t sufficient in my opinion since his site mentions two books with a combined total of 14 pages. If there is more “proof†to his claims that I missed I apologize. 5) Isn’t it dangerous to try something without the supervision of a Doctor, as in one you physically see and are monitored by in person? So there you have it, those are my feelings and why I asked him not to try to sell me something. To: autism-aspergers Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Help and Advice I agree with . We are all asking for help here. How else do you expect to get it but from people who know the field and if they have to talk about their "company" or "business" to get the point across, then that is what we need to hear. Yes, I take advice from other parents, but how many times have you gotten wrong advice or just someone's "opinion" and they really don't know the correct answer. I don't know how many stories I have heard about the autism-insurance coverage and it's all different. I decided to go to the AAoM and sign up for the Webinar Workshop to find out the info I really need. So for example, I advertised my "Fundraising For a Personal Cause" book on here because I became and expert in the field because I had to do it for my family (because we don't qualify for any assistance) and I took 1-year to research the info in which most people never think of for fundraisers. So I want others to know about what I did so that it can help them. I am selling it, not giving it away for free because I feel I did all the work and I deserve it. I don't see anything wrong with trying to share my work. I am very proud of myself for doing it and worked really hard at it. Many people tell me that a book like this is needed. So don't you want to get your info from people who know what they are talking about? Sometimes you have to pay for that service. And I know that I have considered buying Dr. Bate CD's because I am going through therapy with my son right now for ADD and our insurance only covers 50% of services and we only get 20 visits per year. So I need more. Thanks for listening > > Yes, I am the moderator. It would be good if there was more than one, > but until the owner turns up and appoints another one, I am it. > > This group is about support /*and*/ awareness. It is also a good place > for those doing research to ask for help. We all complain about lack of > services, but the only way we will get those services is if there is > sufficient research to demonstrate a need. We know autism should be a > top priority, but those with control of resources and funding need to be > convinced, and whether we like it or not, they will listen to > professionals more than to parents. There are also so many unanswered > questions regarding autism that research is needed to find the answers. > > I am not sure why a post saying 'X offers a service that could help' is > received with gratitude, but one saying 'I offer a service that might > help' causes so much offense. Dr Bate rarely posts, and no one is > obliged to buy anything from him if they don't want to. Nor does anyone > need to read his website. There are many professionals who will quite > happily charge you $1-200 to provide the same information - and in most > cases insurance will subsidise your cost. Neurotherapy is widely > recognised as a treatment for both AS and ADHD, so Dr Bate is not > offering something that the professional world sees as strange. I saw > my psychologist this morning and he urged me to give serious > consideration to neurotherapy. It doesn't work for everyone, but so far > nothing has been proven to work for everyone. Other people on here > offer services you are also free to follow up with or ignore. > > I try to keep posts offering services to a minimum - and there is a > folder on our homepage where professionals can post a list of what they > offer - but it seems silly in a group where we regulatory ask 'who can I > see for this or that' to ban posts saying 'I offer that service'. I > have asked people to only post an initial post saying what they offer, > or to post in reply to a request. Most of the time that is happening > now. I also only approve posts asking for volunteers for research if I > believe it is applicable to this group - and some of it isn't. No one > who posts for volunteers for research or who offers professional > services is un-moderated unless they have demonstrated over time that > they will post responsibly. > > While some people see this list as being only for parents to support > each other, the home page says it is "for parents and caregivers of kids > with autism and aspergers, and any other disability" and "Professionals > are welcome as well". The purpose is "to share stories, ideas, > treatments, therapies, advice and support". I see an occasional post > from those offering services and therapies as fitting in with that. > > In future, rather than having long debates over this issue (or any other > management issue) in the group, if anyone has a problem I would > appreciate them emailing me first. Any email sent to: > mailto:autism-aspergers-owner%40yahoogroups.com will go to the owner [when her > account stops bouncing] and to me. > > [moderator] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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