Re: Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

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In a message dated 1/6/2011 7:20:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

tug_slug@... writes:

Sharon excellent post. You mentioned a woman whose been taking antifungals

for 20/25 years and than mentioned the over use of antifungals causing

superbugs. When does one know its time to stop taking antifungals?

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Who knows? Just like too much anti-biotic can cause fungal overgrowth, I

think the theory is too much anti-fungal can cause bacterial over growth.

I have never heard of that though in anyone.

So maybe they think of it from a society standpoint. Because of the wide

spread use of anti-biotics, there are strains of bacteria that have learn

to overcome and become resistant.

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So sorry

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: dianebolton52 <dianebolton@...>

Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 9:16:09 PM

Subject: [] Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

 

Interesting, Dr. M's comment about the fungus going through her entire body if

they operated on the tumor in her spine. My Mother who lived in a very moldy

house for 40 years, had an " unidentifiable " mass removed from her right lung and

her health went down hill immediately. She never made it out of ICU before she

died 3 weeks later. Cause of death- " UNKNOWN. " This was 10 years before I was to

learn (the hard way) about mold and the horrible things it can do to your body.

D

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Where is Dr. Gray? Are Gray and Shoemaker the only pioneers out there? Anyone

know of doctors that deal with fungus in Cleveland, Ohio? Or what about

neurologists who " get " chemical sensitivity, celiac disease, candida and fungal

/ mycotoxin effects on the CNS and can deal with the whole beast as one

multi-system entanglement.

Please advise.

[] Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

Dr Gray told me that DrS does not want to use anti-fungal because he is afraid

of causing a super bug. ...snip

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Gray treats every patient different because no one is the same!!   Gray was

figuring out mold on the medical side 10 yrs before Shoemaker and he will be the

first one to say what he learned from Shoemaker but he will also tell you what

he has learned from Dr Ziem, Dr Marinkovich, Dr Rea, Dr Hope, Dr Hooper.and so

on.   

One of the reasons he can't prescribe VIP is because there is no source to get

it from and a certain party won't share while he is running research study on

it..

From: carondeen <kdeanstudios@...>

Subject: [] Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 5:40 AM

Dr Gray is in Benson Arizona.He does not follow the same protocols as Shoemaker,

who is in MD, although he did get a clue about mold from him. I went to him

because he said he could get me on VIP, but after I spent a fortune on test

co-payments, he said he could not get me on VIP. If you want to try all the

cutting edge treatments, you will have to go to Shoemaker, if you want a script

for CSM, anti-fungle nose spray, and a de-toc protocol (epson Baths, charcole,

clay) go to Dr Gray

[Guest guest]

: I have worked with Dr. Gray for many years. He is very careful

regarding is diagnosis of individuals. If the diagnostic tests indicate VIP is

not necessary then he will not prescribe it. Same with antifungals,

antibiotics, etc. You should have asked him why?

[] Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

has VIP stopped the inflammatory process?

>

> Dr Gray is in Benson Arizona.He does not follow the same protocols as

Shoemaker, who is in MD, although he did get a clue about mold from him. I went

to him because he said he could get me on VIP, but after I spent a fortune on

test co-payments, he said he could not get me on VIP. If you want to try all the

cutting edge treatments, you will have to go to Shoemaker, if you want a script

for CSM, anti-fungle nose spray, and a de-toc protocol (epson Baths, charcole,

clay) go to Dr Gray

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is VIP?

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From: a Townsend <kmtown2003@...>

Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 11:16:14 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

Gray treats every patient different because no one is the same!! Gray was

figuring out mold on the medical side 10 yrs before Shoemaker and he will be the

first one to say what he learned from Shoemaker but he will also tell you what

he has learned from Dr Ziem, Dr Marinkovich, Dr Rea, Dr Hope, Dr Hooper.and so

on.

One of the reasons he can't prescribe VIP is because there is no source to get

it from and a certain party won't share while he is running research study on

it..

From: carondeen <kdeanstudios@...>

Subject: [] Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 5:40 AM

Dr Gray is in Benson Arizona.He does not follow the same protocols as Shoemaker,

who is in MD, although he did get a clue about mold from him. I went to him

because he said he could get me on VIP, but after I spent a fortune on test

co-payments, he said he could not get me on VIP. If you want to try all the

cutting edge treatments, you will have to go to Shoemaker, if you want a script

for CSM, anti-fungle nose spray, and a de-toc protocol (epson Baths, charcole,

clay) go to Dr Gray

[Guest guest]

what is VIP?

Janet

In a message dated 1/9/2011 6:39:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

kmtown2003@... writes:

VIP helps the fatigue

From: osisposis <_jeaninem660@..._

(mailto:jeaninem660@...) >

Subject: [] Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

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Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 8:47 AM

has VIP stopped the inflammatory process?

[Guest guest]

Thank you a. One of the mysteries is solved.

Re: [] Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

Gray treats every patient different because no one is the same!! Gray was

figuring out mold on the medical side 10 yrs before Shoemaker and he will be the

first one to say what he learned from Shoemaker but he will also tell you what

he has learned from Dr Ziem, Dr Marinkovich, Dr Rea, Dr Hope, Dr Hooper.and so

on.

One of the reasons he can't prescribe VIP is because there is no source to get

it from and a certain party won't share while he is running research study on

it..

[Guest guest]

VIP helps the fatigue

>Dr Gray is in Benson Arizona.He does not follow the same protocols as

Shoemaker, who is in MD, although he did get a clue about mold from him. I went

to him because he said he could get me on VIP, but after I spent a fortune on

test co-payments, he said he could not get me on VIP. If you want to try all the

cutting edge treatments, you will have to go to Shoemaker, if you want a script

for CSM, anti-fungle nose spray, and a de-toc protocol (epson Baths, charcole,

clay) go to Dr Gray

>

[Guest guest]

are there any mold dr like shoemaker or the ones you mentioned in colorado? how

do i find out? a file?

thank denise

wanted to know if anyone has taken the blood test vip, msh i was reading there

is bunch of blood work shoemaker has his patients take to determine diag. i

would like to take those to see where i stand and if i can get on some of these

other meds. i am on csm for 1 month helping a little don't know how long it

takes.

am just so sick.

in his blood does it give the blood work and what it means is there a list of

doctors by state that can help.

also should one take xrays or ct scan if we are having problems with sinius

stuff. on the rt side of my face by my outer eyebrow bone, side of nose deep in

cavity, and gland deep under jaw bone hurt. am worried about this and now after

seing mystery diag, i am more worried.

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From: carondeen <kdeanstudios@...>

Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 5:04:30 PM

Subject: [] Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

hey, Jeanne, read my post, I did not get the VIP. am in the process of getting

an appointment with Dr Mchoun who says he can get me on it if my labs are

good. If you want to know what VIP does ,read Shoemakers new book.

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> has VIP stopped the inflammatory process?

>

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Caving in What is VIP ?

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: a Townsend <kmtown2003@...>

Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 1:16:14 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

 

Gray treats every patient different because no one is the same!!   Gray was

figuring out mold on the medical side 10 yrs before Shoemaker and he will be the

first one to say what he learned from Shoemaker but he will also tell you what

he has learned from Dr Ziem, Dr Marinkovich, Dr Rea, Dr Hope, Dr Hooper.and so

on.   

One of the reasons he can't prescribe VIP is because there is no source to get

it from and a certain party won't share while he is running research study on

it..