Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

[Guest guest]

Sharon excellent post. You mentioned a woman whose been taking antifungals for

20/25 years and than mentioned the over use of antifungals causing superbugs.

When does one know its time to stop taking antifungals?

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> I was surprised at the husband's statement that he could only find twelve

> cases of aspergillosis being caused by a moldy buildings.

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> It is common knowledge that moldy buildings are bad for people with CF -

> who frequently get aspergillosis and treating them with anti-fungals is

> mainstream medicine these days.

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> Just locally, I know an employee of a foreclosure real estate company who

> does trash outs, an employee of a lab who tests for mold, a roofer and a

> house wife, who none were immunocompromised but got aspergillosis and were

> treated with anti-fungals.

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> Half the chatboard members of the Aspergillus group are treated with

> anti-fungals for aspergillosis. Many of them were not immunocompromised

prior.

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> Carol, who runs the board, has been on anti-fungals for about twenty years

> to keep her ABPA in check. She is 70 years old and really healthy as long

> as she stays on her anti-fungals.

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> I know of a case here in San Diego in which a house wife got a tumor at the

> base of her spine in 2004/05 and the doctors wanted to operate. They

> didn't on Marinkovich's advise cuz he said it would kill her when they

released

> the fungi in her body via surgery.

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> Instead, she was treated with anti-fungals and the tumor went away. Cedar

> Sinai physicians were involved in that one. They were blown away at what

> Marinkovich accomplished for this woman.

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> To me, there is no mystery diagnosis. The use of anti-fungals get rid of

> fungus and help to prove location of causation of illness when the same

> fungus up someone's nose is in the building where they spend a lot of time.

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> (If I go out in the sun and I get a sun burn, doesn't that prove that the

> sun causes sun burn? If I am sick cuz I have fugus up my nose and the

> building I work in has a lot of that fungus, doesn't that prove that

breathing a

> lot of fungus makes you sick when you get it up your nose?)

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> The only mystery is, why does the US government allow the insurance

> industry and their medical proponents who write policy, work to keep this

stuff

> under wraps?

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> Do they know something I don't know about the increase in fungal illnesses

> and concern for resistance to antifungals and creation of super bugs,

> should they be overused - just like antibiotics?

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> Don't forget the case of Dr. Sinaiko here in CA, who they took his

> license for successfully treating children with brain fog via the use of

> anti-fungals. He got it back, but I think he quit practicing medicine.

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> Emil Bardana, who is a prolific defensor for the insurance industry over

> this issue, was the aggressor physician involved. _Retaliation Against

> Sinaiko, M.D._ (http://www.allianceforpatientsafety.org/sinaiko.php)

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> Or don't forget Dr. Marinkovich getting sued for saying they don't let it

> be known how easy this is to treat this stuff with anti-fungals cuz they

> want to sell lots of allergy medications. Ha! I sure do miss him.!!!

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> In Tijuana, they sell a TON of Sporonox and people bring it back into the

> US. You have to have a Mexican and a US prescription to do it.

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> In the US they are about $16 a pill and you need to take about four a day.

> Mexico, $2 last time I checked.

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> So my question of that program last night would be, " Why the edit to a two

> second statement of the treatment of anti-fungals saving her life and not

> mentioned that Gray is the one who treats with anti-fungals? "

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> If you read Ritchie's new book, it specifically discusses this in detail.

> Mike Gray is given complete credit for his involvement and his use of

> anti-fungals in this woman's case.

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> Oprah creeps me out over this issue. She has been a defendant in a mold

> lawsuit as I understand it.

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> Sharon

[Guest guest]

Interesting, Dr. M's comment about the fungus going through her entire body if

they operated on the tumor in her spine. My Mother who lived in a very moldy

house for 40 years, had an " unidentifiable " mass removed from her right lung and

her health went down hill immediately. She never made it out of ICU before she

died 3 weeks later. Cause of death- " UNKNOWN. " This was 10 years before I was to

learn (the hard way) about mold and the horrible things it can do to your body.

D

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> > I was surprised at the husband's statement that he could only find twelve

> > cases of aspergillosis being caused by a moldy buildings.

> >

> > It is common knowledge that moldy buildings are bad for people with CF -

> > who frequently get aspergillosis and treating them with anti-fungals is

> > mainstream medicine these days.

> >

> > Just locally, I know an employee of a foreclosure real estate company who

[Guest guest]

that's just sad Diane, I'm so sorry to hear that about your mother . Lamisil

caused a spike in my enzymes so my Dr switched me over to sporanox which also

had the same effect so I started taking some supplements for my liver and

started drinking a gallon of water a day. After a couple of weeks my liver

enzymes dropped down considerably.

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> Interesting, Dr. M's comment about the fungus going through her entire body if

they operated on the tumor in her spine. My Mother who lived in a very moldy

house for 40 years, had an " unidentifiable " mass removed from her right lung and

her health went down hill immediately. She never made it out of ICU before she

died 3 weeks later. Cause of death- " UNKNOWN. " This was 10 years before I was to

learn (the hard way) about mold and the horrible things it can do to your body

[Guest guest]

Dianne,

My sympathy for your mom & your family.

 It's so unfair, the medical community doesn't see what all mold can do or know

how to treat it.

Blessings, Kathy

 

<dianebolton@...> wrote:

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> Interesting, Dr. M's comment about the fungus going through her entire body if

they operated on the tumor in her spine.

My Mother who lived in a very moldy house for 40 years, had an " unidentifiable "

mass removed from her right lung and her health went down hill immediately. She

never made it out of ICU before she died 3 weeks later. Cause of death-

" UNKNOWN. "

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[Guest guest]

Dr Gray told me that DrS does not want to use anti-fungal because he is afraid

of causing a super bug. He gave me 2 anti-fungals to use, and a body wash that I

believe caused a nose eating fungus that took me over 6 months to get under

control. I had had that itchy spot on my nose for over 2 years before I used

those anti-fungals. I certainly believe in their use if it is life-threatening,

or for a fungal infection that may become life-threatening, but people have to

realise that mold exposure on its own does not automatically mean you need

anti-fungals.

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> In a message dated 1/6/2011 7:20:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> tug_slug@... writes:

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> Sharon excellent post. You mentioned a woman whose been taking antifungals

> for 20/25 years and than mentioned the over use of antifungals causing

> superbugs. When does one know its time to stop taking antifungals?

> >>

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[Guest guest]

I've got 2 great doctors in Manhattan if you think you can get here. Also

probably one or two in Pennsylvania where my doctor trained and practiced for a

while before coming to NY.

> jac> Where is Dr. Gray? Are Gray and Shoemaker the only pioneers out there?

Anyone know of doctors that deal with fungus in Cleveland, Ohio? Or what about

neurologists who " get " chemical

> jac> sensitivity, celiac disease, candida and fungal / mycotoxin effects on

the CNS and can deal with the whole beast as one multi-system entanglement.

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> jac> Please advise.

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[Guest guest]

Dr Gray is in Benson Arizona.He does not follow the same protocols as Shoemaker,

who is in MD, although he did get a clue about mold from him. I went to him

because he said he could get me on VIP, but after I spent a fortune on test

co-payments, he said he could not get me on VIP. If you want to try all the

cutting edge treatments, you will have to go to Shoemaker, if you want a script

for CSM, anti-fungle nose spray, and a de-toc protocol (epson Baths, charcole,

clay) go to Dr Gray

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> Where is Dr. Gray? Are Gray and Shoemaker the only pioneers out there?

Anyone know of doctors that deal with fungus in Cleveland, Ohio? Or what about

neurologists who " get " chemical sensitivity, celiac disease, candida and fungal

/ mycotoxin effects on the CNS and can deal with the whole beast as one

multi-system entanglement.

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> Please advise.

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> [] Re: ShoeMaker / antifungals

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> Dr Gray told me that DrS does not want to use anti-fungal because he is afraid

of causing a super bug. ...snip

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[Guest guest]

what has VIP done for you?

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> Dr Gray is in Benson Arizona.He does not follow the same protocols as

Shoemaker, who is in MD, although he did get a clue about mold from him. I went

to him because he said he could get me on VIP, but after I spent a fortune on

test co-payments, he said he could not get me on VIP. If you want to try all the

cutting edge treatments, you will have to go to Shoemaker, if you want a script

for CSM, anti-fungle nose spray, and a de-toc protocol (epson Baths, charcole,

clay) go to Dr Gray

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[Guest guest]

has VIP stopped the inflammatory process?

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> Dr Gray is in Benson Arizona.He does not follow the same protocols as

Shoemaker, who is in MD, although he did get a clue about mold from him. I went

to him because he said he could get me on VIP, but after I spent a fortune on

test co-payments, he said he could not get me on VIP. If you want to try all the

cutting edge treatments, you will have to go to Shoemaker, if you want a script

for CSM, anti-fungle nose spray, and a de-toc protocol (epson Baths, charcole,

clay) go to Dr Gray

>

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[Guest guest]

thing is, if you are colonized, nothing Shoemaker can do for you is going to

help. so I guess we really do just pretty well have to find a way to diagnose

ourself before we go makeing a lot of very expencieve trips back and forth that

most of us cant afford.

or we try the antifungals and see if we have a hexhemier reaction and maybe if

not that means we are not colonized and suffer from only toxin exposure.

nothing like haveing to go several places when you dont travel well, to deal

with toxicity, mycosis and even allery.

wouldn't it be great if our doctors in our town could deal with all of it.

wouldn't it be great if apon exposures like these the goverment steped in and

made sure we got quick proper diagnoses and

help us get set up with treatment somewhere where we can actually get there on a

regular basis.

and all 3 of these conditions cause inflammation.

you can take things like VIP all day but if these conditions aren't dealt with

by advoidance or treatment what good does it do?

some people well heal just by practiceing advoidance which can take some time

figureing out how to master that art. and time itself can allow healing. but if

your colonized you well need antifungal treatment. so to me thats something that

should be first on the list, not last. the toxicity issues become a mumble

jumble of advoidance of what, to what and what damage has been done that

advoidance and time wont heal and what treatment should I have or what do I

really need,not need and shouldn't take if I dont need it. or even if I need it

well it work because another condition might hinder it working.

so really, haveing suffered for years and spent years trying to understand what

happened to my sinus and head, not to mention the rest of my body, I have to say

that Gray would be my first choise, knowing what I know now and haveing been to

both.

I really dont get why Shoemaker refuses to prescribe the antifungals.

parisites can be gotten because of suppressed immune system, and even when the

immune system isn't suppressed. several things,chemicals,toxins and med's can

suppress the immune system.

it seems to me there are other reasons why he does not prescribe antifungals or

the antifungal nasal spray.

he never asked one question about my sinuses, polops or anything along those

lines, Dr. Gray looked up my nose and two polops were right there visable. to

me it just seems a folly to not look beyond the toxicity issue. for the first

time in all these years I finally get some relief from sinus pain and thats

because of the antifungal nasal spray, I finally dont have to wash my sinuses

everytime I turn around to try to keep the pain at bay, I have other problems

that the antifungal aggervate but that relief of almost constant pain in the

sinuses is something I've been dieing for for along time.I was so sick of

constantly washing my sinuses. I cant even manage to take the nasal spray as

directed but even at a much lower dose it's helped my sinus pain so much and if

I dont do it it comes back, so even though I have to throw most of it away every

month, I dont want to be without now that tried it.

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> Dr Gray is in Benson Arizona.He does not follow the same protocols as

Shoemaker, who is in MD, although he did get a clue about mold from him. I went

to him because he said he could get me on VIP, but after I spent a fortune on

test co-payments, he said he could not get me on VIP. If you want to try all the

cutting edge treatments, you will have to go to Shoemaker, if you want a script

for CSM, anti-fungle nose spray, and a de-toc protocol (epson Baths, charcole,

clay) go to Dr Gray

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[Guest guest]

well that just pisses me off. I bet another sorce could be found.

from what I've read, some claim it helps, other said it did nothing,probably

depends what the sorce of inflammation is from,maybe,

allergies,toxins,colonization. while you can try to avoid

as much as possable in the toxin and allergy line to keep inflammation down,

colonization is kindof hard to avoid.

seems anyone dignosed with CIRS should be able to try VIP theres got to be more

than one sorce out there or a way to find the sorce.

Emerging roles of vasoactive intestinal peptide: a new approach for autoimmune

therapy

http://ard.bmj.com/content/66/suppl_3/iii70.abstract

Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide Balances Pro- and Anti-Inflammatory Cytokines in

the Pseudomonas aeruginosa-Infected Cornea and Protects against Corneal

Perforation1

http://www.jimmunol.org/content/178/2/1105.full

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> Gray treats every patient different because no one is the same!!   Gray was

figuring out mold on the medical side 10 yrs before Shoemaker and he will be the

first one to say what he learned from Shoemaker but he will also tell you what

he has learned from Dr Ziem, Dr Marinkovich, Dr Rea, Dr Hope, Dr Hooper.and so

on.   

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> One of the reasons he can't prescribe VIP is because there is no source to get

it from and a certain party won't share while he is running research study on

it..

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[Guest guest]

hey, Jeanne, read my post, I did not get the VIP. am in the process of getting

an appointment with Dr Mchoun who says he can get me on it if my labs are

good. If you want to know what VIP does ,read Shoemakers new book.

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> > Dr Gray is in Benson Arizona.He does not follow the same protocols as

Shoemaker, who is in MD, although he did get a clue about mold from him. I went

to him because he said he could get me on VIP, but after I spent a fortune on

test co-payments, he said he could not get me on VIP. If you want to try all the

cutting edge treatments, you will have to go to Shoemaker, if you want a script

for CSM, anti-fungle nose spray, and a de-toc protocol (epson Baths, charcole,

clay) go to Dr Gray

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Gee, I am really glad you know why Dr Gray cannot prescribe VIP. Why doesn't he

know? I told him up front that was the only reason I was coming, he said he

could, then no with no explanation. Three day trip there and back, dogs in the

kennel, $1000 on lab co-payment. Zip

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> Gray treats every patient different because no one is the same!!   Gray was

figuring out mold on the medical side 10 yrs before Shoemaker and he will be the

first one to say what he learned from Shoemaker but he will also tell you what

he has learned from Dr Ziem, Dr Marinkovich, Dr Rea, Dr Hope, Dr Hooper.and so

on.   

>

> One of the reasons he can't prescribe VIP is because there is no source to get

it from and a certain party won't share while he is running research study on

it..

>

[Guest guest]

He said he could not get it

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> : I have worked with Dr. Gray for many years. He is very careful

regarding is diagnosis of individuals. If the diagnostic tests indicate VIP is

not necessary then he will not prescribe it. Same with antifungals,

antibiotics, etc. You should have asked him why?

[Guest guest]

Carondeen, I did read your post, than I read K's post.

I've read quite a bit on VIP.

> > >

> > > Dr Gray is in Benson Arizona.He does not follow the same protocols as

Shoemaker, who is in MD, although he did get a clue about mold from him. I went

to him because he said he could get me on VIP, but after I spent a fortune on

test co-payments, he said he could not get me on VIP. If you want to try all the

cutting edge treatments, you will have to go to Shoemaker, if you want a script

for CSM, anti-fungle nose spray, and a de-toc protocol (epson Baths, charcole,

clay) go to Dr Gray

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Downregulation of Endotoxin-Induced Uveitis by Intravitreal Injection of

Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide Encapsulated in Liposomes

http://www.iovs.org/content/48/7/3230.abstract

> Emerging roles of vasoactive intestinal peptide: a new approach for autoimmune

therapy

> http://ard.bmj.com/content/66/suppl_3/iii70.abstract

>

> Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide Balances Pro- and Anti-Inflammatory Cytokines in

the Pseudomonas aeruginosa-Infected Cornea and Protects against Corneal

Perforation1

>

> http://www.jimmunol.org/content/178/2/1105.full

[Guest guest]

Liposomal vasoactive intestinal peptide

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15721392

Vasoactive intestinal peptide: cardiovascular effects

http://cardiovascres.oxfordjournals.org/content/49/1/27.full

Vasoactive intestinal peptide in human nasal mucosa

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC296798/

Vasoactive intestinal peptide and pituitary adenylate cyclase-activating

polypeptide inhibit the production of inflammatory mediators by activated

microglia

http://www.jleukbio.org/content/73/1/155.full

Inhibition of Interferon (IFN) ã-induced Jak-STAT1 Activation in Microglia by

Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide

INHIBITORY EFFECT ON CD40, IFN-INDUCED PROTEIN-10, AND INDUCIBLE NITRIC-OXIDE

SYNTHASE EXPRESSION

http://www.jbc.org/content/278/30/27620.abstract

Treatment of female sexual dysfunction with vasoactive intestinal polypeptide

agonists United States Patent 7226910

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7226910.html

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> Downregulation of Endotoxin-Induced Uveitis by Intravitreal Injection of

Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide Encapsulated in Liposomes

>

> http://www.iovs.org/content/48/7/3230.abstract

>

> > Emerging roles of vasoactive intestinal peptide: a new approach for

autoimmune therapy

> > http://ard.bmj.com/content/66/suppl_3/iii70.abstract

> >

> > Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide Balances Pro- and Anti-Inflammatory Cytokines

in the Pseudomonas aeruginosa-Infected Cornea and Protects against Corneal

Perforation1

> >

> > http://www.jimmunol.org/content/178/2/1105.full

>

[Guest guest]

OH, thought you had got it from Shoemaker.

> > >

> > > Dr Gray is in Benson Arizona.He does not follow the same protocols as

Shoemaker, who is in MD, although he did get a clue about mold from him. I went

to him because he said he could get me on VIP, but after I spent a fortune on

test co-payments, he said he could not get me on VIP. If you want to try all the

cutting edge treatments, you will have to go to Shoemaker, if you want a script

for CSM, anti-fungle nose spray, and a de-toc protocol (epson Baths, charcole,

clay) go to Dr Gray

> > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Definition

Vasoactive intestinal polypeptide (VIP) is a substance found throughout the

body, but the highest levels normally occur in the nervous system and gut. VIP

has many functions:

It helps control or send nerve signals

It helps relax certain muscles along the gastrointestinal tract

It increases the amount of water and electrolytes released from the pancreas and

gut

It triggers the release of hormones from the pancreas, gut, and hypothalamus

It helps breakdown fat and glycogen

It stimulates bile flow

It blocks gastrin and gastric acid secretion

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> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

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