Re: Gluten problems

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I don't know much about acupuncture, but my impression is that it helps

your nervous system to bypass chronic pain. I would question whether

the person's bowel reactions to gluten changed. While they might not

experience pain, I'd be worried that their bones are slowly

disinigrating from the calcium loss. I'd be very nervous about using a

nervous system solution for a digestive system problem, but maybe

that's just me.

-Robin

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linnsmama wrote:

> I don't know much about acupuncture, but my impression is that it helps

> your nervous system to bypass chronic pain.

Robin,

There is a lot to acupuncture, and it can help the body in any sphere in

which it is not functioning - it's not to do with the nervous system but

to do with the energy fields of the body - probably related to the

energy fields of the water that makes up the body's system (new research

has lots on this; water makes liquid crystals which have memory...)

So acupuncture's benefits are in many ways comparable to homeopathy.

Both are energy medicine as opposed to chemical medicine and both can

affect any aspect of the system that is not in correct

balance/alignment/whatever you want to call it. It's always tricky to

describe something for which the language has no specific word, and

where the way it works has yet to be fully understood.

I do not know a great deal about acupuncture myself - only what I

have gleaned working with a good acupuncture practitioner. Like

homeopathy as a profession - you get people with different levels of

expertise and for chronic cases (like gluten intolerance) it takes more

in depth knowledge than for assisting with something one could call

" first aid " (like acupuncture instead of anaesthetic).

> I would question whether

> the person's bowel reactions to gluten changed.

On indeed they can. Gluten intolerance is not a normal situation in the

body and as such is able to be remedied towards normal by energy

medicine correctly used. It's like allergy , cancer and other chronic

conditions that are not normal. All of them can be restored to normal

with energy medicine. (It's what I do all day as a veterinary homeopath.)

> While they might not

> experience pain, I'd be worried that their bones are slowly

> disinigrating from the calcium loss.

What calcium loss?

Acupuncture does not cause calcium loss?

> I'd be very nervous about using a

> nervous system solution for a digestive system problem, but maybe

> that's just me.

Acupuncture has nothing to do with the nervous system. I believe you

started with a mistaken premise/assumption.

Namaste,

Irene

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Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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J. Arnold wrote:

<<< I have just had someone on another list [a canine welfare list -

went off on a tangent somehow] say that they used to be gluten

intolerant but had it sorted out thru using acupuncture and they were

o.k. now and can eat it.>>

Hi ,

Nice to hear more people using methods that actually work:-))

<< If this person feels fine now and doesn't get reactions from eating

gluten anymore, how is she going to know if it is actually o.k. for her

and not harming her somehow internally still - surely if it was then it

would manifest itself in some way ?>>

Oh it's fine because of the way acupuncture works. It *normalizes* the

system. I'd be worried if someone said they were using a drug and got

" right " after that. Who knows what harm a drug does other than any

obvious effects. But energy medicine such as acupuncture or homeopathy,

works to put the system back where it belongs, in a state resistant to

illness, by removing imbalances. It takes an imbalance to cause gluten

sensitivity. Remove that and there can be no sensitivity. There's no

hidden drug effect to worry about.

Same way I got rid of my allergies in 1984. I used an energy

medicine (or rather my cousin applied it) and by morning of the next

day, when I reached for my inhaler as I woke up, I realized I didn't

need it, I was breathing freely. Have done ever since. The allergy

imbalance - the tendency to become allergic to things - was caused by

multiple vaccinations especially the whooping cough one which makes at

least 40% of the population atopic (predisposed to allergy). There was

very little allergy in the world till vaccines came along. So all that

needed to be done was to remove that predisposition. My allergies left

with it, including many life threatening ones that used to cause

anaphylaxis.

It looks like the explanation for energy medicine may be uncovered

soon if it has not already been uncovered. I suspect it has to do with

the memory of water, now proven in terms of liquid crystals. I'll see if

I can find some links to post on this - but basically if all is aligned

properly in the water (and we are all mostly water) then there is memory

in the water of what energy flows need to be maintained for health. If

those are damaged, then we get chronic health problems. If they are

restored, the chronic health problems go away.

<<< Also had someone answer them and say that they've been told they

shouldn't eat gluten and to go gf/cf but they've spoken to a

homeopathist who has told them that isn't right and they should be able

to eat anything.>>

As a homeopath I agree.

(I am not sure where " homeopathist " comes from?)

<< My friend's son is a homeopathist and she mentioned to him about how

I get cramps and upset stomach if I eat gluten and he also said to her

that isn't right and some healing needs to happen somewhere and advised

me, thru her to go and see him.>>

If you can. I'd sure go for it.

With homeopathy, finding the right remedy is the key to restoring health

and resistance. Our bodies are so amazingly well designed and able to be

repaired - it only makes sense to go for the repair option :-))

You have nothing to lose. If the right remedy is not found, it can't do

harm, but if the right one is found, well heck, no more hassles.

Worth a try!!!

Homeopathy will help MOST cases it works with - but not all. It has to

do with finding the right remedy to get things back in balance or back

to health or restored to normal - take your pick on phraseology - as a

homeopath I like to say - " restore the life force to health and

resistance " . Phraseology will always be variable till we understand the

details of the mechanism as we usually name things decently AFTER we

know the mechanism.

Thankfully we do not need to know the details of the mechanism before

using it - just as people washed hands before surgery before

understanding the mechanism of why that was useful.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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In a message dated 11/3/2005 7:24:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

deber@... writes:

I learned to skip breakfast because it was always pancakes,

waffles, or dry cereal and I would get stomach aches and throw up.

SO TRUE!! I always tried to skip breakfast because it made me sick. There

were so many kids that mom usually gave us cereal, pan cakes, etc., in the

winter, hot cream of wheat. I can still hear her saying, " At least drink a

glass

of milk. " Nothing like a jelly roll for breakfast on Sundays before going to

church. I could peel paint with the reflux acid.

It took until I was 50, and found this diet, to enjoy breakfast. Now I look

forward to it. Gotta try that Omlet pizza.

Max

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>>I am not sure where " homeopathist " comes from?)

**Me ! Had a mental block and was trying to think what a homeopathic

practitioner would be called other than that ;o)

**So, are you saying that homeopathy could possibly take away the need for us on

this list to follow the 'O' type diet by re-balancing areas within each of us ?

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J. Arnold wrote:

> **Me ! Had a mental block and was trying to think what a homeopathic

practitioner would be called other than that ;o)

Okay - no problem:-))

<<< **So, are you saying that homeopathy could possibly take away the

need for us on this list to follow the 'O' type diet by re-balancing

areas within each of us ?>>

Sorry No :-)

Homeopathy will restore what is healthy normal.

Normal for a cat will always be a carnivore state in accordance with

their design.

Normal for us is also in accordance with our design:-)

Gluten intolerance is not normal - that is it is not according to the

design of people - so that can be changed, and asthma, cancer etc are

not designed as normal aspects either so can be remedied. But what's

already according to its design, that stays :-)

There's a whole area of homeopathy which strengthens an individual's

inherited constitution, and makes it resistant to problems. We each have

a matching " constitutional remedy " which can do that for us.

Namaste,

Irene

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www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Irene.

I have heard about constitutional remedies - how does one find out what their

own constitutional remedy is ?

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,

This subject is near and dear to my heart. As a child I was very

sick. I learned to skip breakfast because it was always pancakes,

waffles, or dry cereal and I would get stomach aches and throw up. I

would have dizzy spells and couldn't respond to questions, etc. At

one point the schools thought I was retarded. No one knew what was

the matter with me.

As a teenager I began eating what felt right for me and enraged all

of my friends and family. I wouldn't drink pop(now I know I was

avoiding the corn syrup), or eat pizza, sandwiches, etc. My mother

and sister worked for a bakery and I wouldn't eat anything they

brought home which caused a lot of tension. I started feeling better,

until I went into my vegetarian phase. I'm over that now.

I have been gluten intolerant my entire life, and had the classic

symptoms but no Dr. ever mentioned it to my parents or me. I didn't

get tested for Celiac until my late 40's and since I had been on

basically a GF diet, I tested negative. The doctor told me that I

could eat a diet high in gluten for a few weeks and when the stomach

aches got bad enough I could get tested again and would probably come

back with a positive. It wasn't that important to me.

My blood antibody tests (Iga) showed higher levels than normal but I

didn't want to have a biopsy.

I have had accupuncture treatment and other treatments to heal my

intestines, including leaky gut syndrome, and I immediately started

gaining weight and feeling better. Now I can eat some gluten without

getting the extreme symptoms I once had but I still get joint aches,

phlegm, etc.

Yes, you can get treatments so that you don't react as badly to

gluten, but as you questioned, are you then suppressing the problem

deeper until it manifests in another way.

I just saw Celiac Sprue discussed on TV last night and the Dr. being

interviewed emphasized how mis-diagnosed and under diagnosed it was.

The case he was discussing was a child that due to Celiac Sprue was

unable to absorb nutrients and was physically and mentally stunted.

The child looked completely different after a couple of years of GF

diet and was no longer mentally challenged.

So many physicians think that children will " outgrow " gluten

intolerance. He cited 1% of our population is gluten intolerant.

A couple of weeks ago my local paper ran an article on gluten

intolerance. The article in the paper cited 1 out of 500 people are

gluten intolerant.

I've heard that in certain European countries that children are

tested before starting school so that they can be offered special

lunches. I've also heard that in Europe Mc's has rice buns

available for gluten intolerant individuals.

Why is the US so misinformed? This is genetic and not a " disease " .

Here is some information from a web site:

Celiac Disease/Gluten Intolerance

A Genetic Immunologic Disease

An intolerance to the gluten, found in wheat, barley, oats, and rye,

affects many people worldwide -- forcing sufferers to avoid foods

that contain these grains at all costs.

This intolerance, Celiac Disease, is the most common genetic disease

in Europe. Although a 1998 study from the Red Cross suggested that as

many as 1 in every 250 Americans may have Celiac disease, more recent

findings estimate that 1 in 133 people have it.

Symptoms

The symptoms of Celiac Disease can vary with each individual. They

can range from no symptoms at all to severe gas, bloating, diarrhea,

and abdominal pain. If untreated, malnutrition can occur. If left

untreated too long it can be life-threatening.

Symptoms do not always involve the digestive system. It can cause

irritability, depression, muscle cramps, joint pain, fatigue, and

menstrual irregularities, to name a few.

Reactions to ingestion of gluten can be immediate, or delayed for

weeks or even months.

Who Is At Risk?

Celiac disease is hereditary and primarily affects whites of

northwestern European ancestry. It rarely affects blacks, Jews,

Orientals, and people of Mediterranean ancestry. It affects twice as

many females as males, and usually affects more children than adults.

It can be triggered by over exposure to wheat, severe stress,

emotional or physical trauma, surgery, or a viral infection.

Some people with wheat allergies are not gluten intolerant and can

eat rye, barley and oats.

Sorry for the long email but this is such an important subject and so

many people in the medical profession are unaware of it.

Deborah in Oregon

---- Original Message ----

From: firesprite68@...

Subject: RE: Gluten problems

Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:09:56 -0000

I have just had someone on another list [a canine welfare list - went

off on a tangent somehow] say that they used to be gluten intolerant

but had it sorted out thru using acupuncture and they were o.k. now

and can eat it.

If this person feels fine now and doesn't get reactions from eating

gluten anymore, how is she going to know if it is actually o.k. for

her and not harming her somehow internally still - surely if it was

then it would manifest itself in some way ?

Also had someone answer them and say that they've been told they

shouldn't eat gluten and to go gf/cf but they've spoken to a

homeopathist who has told them that isn't right and they should be

able to eat anything.

My friend's son is a homeopathist and she mentioned to him about how

I get cramps and upset stomach if I eat gluten and he also said to

her that isn't right and some healing needs to happen somewhere and

advised me, thru her to go and see him.

What are your thoughts on this please?

thanks

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Deborah, thanks for that - very interesting.

Would it be o.k. with you if I crossposted it for the people on this other list

please as they are getting the impression all can be sorted thru therapy of one

kind or another ?

If yes, do you want it anon or named ?

thanks

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Thanks Irene,

Would it be o.k. with you if I used the piece below from

your mail for the people on this other list please :

" Homeopathy will restore what is healthy normal.

Normal for a cat will always be a carnivore state in accordance with

their design.

Normal for us is also in accordance with our design:-)

Gluten intolerance is not normal - that is it is not according to the

design of people - so that can be changed, and asthma, cancer etc are

not designed as normal aspects either so can be remedied. But what's

already according to its design, that stays "

If you are o.k. with that, would you like your piece named and with your site

etc. from your sig. or anon ?

thanks

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J. Arnold wrote:

> Thanks Irene,

> Would it be o.k. with you if I used the piece below

Sure - name etc is fine to use.

Namaste,

Irene

from your mail for the people on this other list please :

> " Homeopathy will restore what is healthy normal.

> Normal for a cat will always be a carnivore state in accordance with

> their design.

> Normal for us is also in accordance with our design:-)

>

[Guest guest]

> > While they might not

> > experience pain, I'd be worried that their bones are slowly

> > disinigrating from the calcium loss.

>

> What calcium loss?

> Acupuncture does not cause calcium loss?

I was talking about the calcium loss caused by gluten intolerance.

> Acupuncture has nothing to do with the nervous system. I believe you

> started with a mistaken premise/assumption.

>

I stand corrected on acupuncture. My only experience was with a dog

who actually had a neurological disorder to begin with.

-Robin

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Yea my son has either a wheat or gluten problem (he

eats gluten free). He has not been diagnosed as

celiac but had many of the symptoms. His growth fell

from about 55% to below 3% (by the time he was 3) ...

we were seeing an endocrinologist (for GH therapy

eval) when someone suggested we removed wheat from his

diet (for his excema). .. next time we went we saw a

growth improvement! Now he's running at close to 50%

for height again now. (he's almost 8.) His sister on

the other hand is running at 90% height. She's six and

many think they are twins cause they are so close in

size. He's going to hate that as he gets older. Now

if I can keep him out of the wheat (told me he had a

snickerdoodle the other day.. tried to backtrack and

say it was a candy bar when he saw the look of horror

on my face..but I know.. he doesn't understand that he

may not feel sick but it can still be doing damage.) sigh.

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Congratulations Wish. You made a powerful decision when you changed your

son's diet. Your son may not appreciate what you did now but perhaps he will

when he is a parent himself.

Deborah from Oregon

RE: Gluten problems

Yea my son has either a wheat or gluten problem (he eats gluten free). He

has not been diagnosed as celiac but had many of the symptoms. His growth

fell from about 55% to below 3% (by the time he was 3) ...

we were seeing an endocrinologist (for GH therapy

eval) when someone suggested we removed wheat from his diet (for his

excema). .. next time we went we saw a growth improvement! Now he's running

at close to 50% for height again now. (he's almost 8.) His sister on the

other hand is running at 90% height. She's six and many think they are twins

cause they are so close in size. He's going to hate that as he gets older.

Now if I can keep him out of the wheat (told me he had a snickerdoodle the

other day.. tried to backtrack and say it was a candy bar when he saw the

look of horror on my face..but I know.. he doesn't understand that he may

not feel sick but it can still be doing damage.) sigh.

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>

> I have been having episodes of ataxia that progressed to the point of

> needing help walking. They are short lived, and seem to have been

> paired up with exposure to chemical in building, high mold in air,

> eating some form of gluten, often a hidden form, and always episode

of low blood sugar. I never would have believed that doctors have know

that the gluten causes these ataxia problems.....for decades now!!! I

am so angry! Why are we left to the Internet, to research known affects

of stuff. Isn't that why we pay these out outrageous fees to these

doctors. If it wasn't for these health groups and all their collected

info I can't imagine where I'd be today.

==>Hi Zuni. It is maddening to say the least. This is because doctors

are trained to treat individual symptoms, which are all labelled as

diseases, and they nothing hardly anything about good foods and bad

foods or nutrients. They also do not recognize that the body will heal

itself IF it is given proper nutrients, along with helping it detoxify

and increasing oxygen levels, etc. They get about 5-8 hours of

training on nutrition, otherwise their training is drug-oriented to

satisfy the profit-making needs of a hugh drug industry. They are in

the business of making money and IF we got well it would cut into their

profits. Did you know there are more people who " live off of cancer

proceeds " than those who die of cancer? Each cancer patient earns them

over $350,000. The corruption is rampant, involving bad laws,

government, and the food and agricultural industries as well. Follow

the money!

>

> Here is my contribution to the info files. What an eye opener.

> http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/124/5/1013

==>Thanks Zuni.

Luv, Bee

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sorry what is MSH?

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From: Mystic Tuba <mystic.tuba@...>

Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 10:56:38 AM

Subject: [] Gluten problems

a. OT: Gluten

Posted by: " barb b w " barb1283@... barb1283

Date: Sat Jan 8, 2011 8:27 pm ((PST))

Does anyone have any theories or know why so many people have trouble

w gluten?? Thanks

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Yes, but I don't have the entire thing memorized. It has to do with

MSH deficiency, which is one of the end results of toxic mold

exposure. MSH is supposed to block gluten/gliaden from entering the

bloodstream, and when MSH is too low, it is not blocked. Then the body

sees it as an invader and produces antibodies to it, hence your

reaction. It is not the same as celiac disease.

I'm new here, but....everyone on this list should read Mold Warriors

by Ritchie Shoemaker. It has TONS of information in it, although for

the non-technical types there might be some stuff to plough through.

That book is where I got my info on MSH and gliaden.

MA