Re: Mold Testing for Safety [was: Re: air purifier and cleaning house]

[Guest guest]

.. Until you

> are extremely sensitive and perhaps disabled those ambient

> spores won't be a problem. And you can't get rid of them anyway.

>

> Mold *growth* is the problem, not just the ambient spores always

> present in the air. Mold growth occurs only at the location of

> dampness.

Carl, What can you do when you get extremely sensitive and disabled?

Jodie

[Guest guest]

Carl: There is not sufficient information in the literature to truly answer

your concerns. The question should be what is chronic inflammatory response

syndrome? What this means is that the innate immune system has shifted towards

the bad guys. The macrophages have become the dark side and do not function

properly, releasing inflammatory cytokines. They no longer repair, but destroy

tissue. Under these conditions they do not destroy the organisms (fungi and

bacteria). For example, corticosteroids allow the macrophages to act as

phagocytes and engulf the organisms, but prevent oxidative burst. that kills the

invaders. Antibiotics and antifungals can do the same. So which comes first,

the inflammation or the infection? The other issue is the role of biofilms

(fungal and bacterial) in this process. There is information on these subjects

on my web site for all to read. What we have to realize is the medical

profession is ignorant when it comes to these subjects, while individuals such

as Ponikau, Shoemaker, Gray, Hope, etc. are just beginning to open the window.

By the time the affected person sees these good doctors they have already been

put on a course of antibiotics and many on corticosteroids.

I now have 5 cases of chronic muscle atrophy. Two of the individuals are wheel

chair bound and an infant died at 65 days after birth. At least two (adult and

infant) have been shown to have mitochondrial damage and decreased aerobic

metabolism. How many others out there have a similar problem and their doctors

do not understand what has occurred? ALS has been eliminated in the two wheel

chair victims.

Mycotoxins and probably other microbial toxins are mitochondrial poisons,

damaging mitochondrial membranes.

Re: [] Re: Mold Testing for Safety [was: Re: air

purifier and cleaning house]

Dr Thrasher. You of course are correct.

But my point continues to be one of prevalence and priority. Are you telling

the masses that their predominant concern with WDB, a subset of all

, ought to be the less frequent infection and colonization rather

than the usual chronic inflammatory response syndrome?

How should those of us in this group determine when to respond as if we are

infected/colonized and when allergic or inflamed?

My concern is that some are becoming immediately afraid and seeking first

treatment based on the greatest fear rather than starting with the most likely

and advancing with reasonableness and relevant evidence.

I am not contesting the facts and consequences of infection or colonization.

But of prevalence and priority.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[Guest guest]

are you better now? is the swelling gone and yeast infection gone or under

control, hope so. did you try csm? will that get it out of the deep tissue and

places you talked about? can the colonization you talk about get pulled out and

recovered from things like csm, anti fungal, etc. i agree with you but hoping to

get well in my gut. i feel my ovaries, uterus swell as well. the gyn check and

said she couldn't feel anything

denise

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From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 10:46:22 AM

Subject: [] Mold Testing for Safety [was: Re: air purifier and

cleaning house]

my uterus,overies,ect also would swell like my lower back did so inflammation

did play a role there but I still fell infection did too.

>

> I costantly fought with viginal yeast infection during both of my WDB

>exposures, but they were a little different than a yeast infection that a woman

>might get while takeing antibiotics, these burned more than itched.and without

>getting into more detail, they were different...snip...

[Guest guest]

Has bacterial vaginosis ever been correlated with WDB exposure?

On Jan 8, 2011, at 10:41 PM, " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

Candia infections are usually consider to arise from being in the digestive

tract, however they can become systemic, e.g. infection of intravenous

catheters. Usually, the over use of antibiotics allows the Candida to

proliferate. However, immune suppression by chemicals can also allow this to

occur.

Yes, dead spores do not infect. However, live spores do two things: colonize

(which may be considered and infection) and actually cause an infection. e.g.

aspergillomas of the lungs, brain and other tissues. I have worked with Drs.

Gray and Hooper for a number of years. We have actually identified Aspergillus

in biopsy and autopsy materials as well as detecting mycotoxins. In the worse

case scenario systemic infection with Aspergillus can and does occur. The

subjects have been neonates, young adults, adults and the elderly. Aspergillomas

of the sinuses can be said to either be a colonization or an infection. The

Aspergillus can and does in immune compromised and non compromised individuals

enter the brain via the olfactory tract. If the mold invades the tissues of the

body, by definition, it is an infection.