Guest guest Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 All you need is soap and water. Thieves adds nothing to the effectiveness of cleaning. Neither does bleach or other chemicals, disinfectants, or deodorizers. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC (fm my Blackberry) [] Thieves Claims http://www.thieves-secret.com/black-mold.htm ? Not looking to remediate my home with it, but to clean items like my rife machine and glass mandalas my kids made. Thank you! Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 Thank you, Carl. Robin > > All you need is soap and water. Thieves adds nothing to the effectiveness of cleaning. Neither does bleach or other chemicals, disinfectants, or deodorizers. > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats LLC > (fm my Blackberry) > > [] Thieves Claims > > http://www.thieves-secret.com/black-mold.htm ? > > Not looking to remediate my home with it, but to clean items like my rife machine and glass mandalas my kids made. > > Thank you! > Robin > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 As far as cleaning goes, everyone seems to have forgotten the study done by 2 environmental scientists, and published in 2002 I think. They took common household items that were contaminated with different types of spores and mycotoxins and subjected them to different types of cleaning, each cleaning was done 6 times. They then tested them again. Some cleaning worked a little, some not very much at all. Just wiping down and vacuming will do not much at all. I scrubbed and scrubbed and still managed to totally cross contaminate a new building . Is it worth the risk of moving again and your health??? > > http://www.thieves-secret.com/black-mold.htm ? > > Not looking to remediate my home with it, but to clean items like my rife machine and glass mandalas my kids made. > > Thank you! > Robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Can we please have a no discussion of thieves oil ever again??? I personally would like to shut down their site so they don't trick more people. > > http://www.thieves-secret.com/black-mold.htm ? > > Not looking to remediate my home with it, but to clean items like my rife machine and glass mandalas my kids made. > > Thank you! > Robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Im not taking anyting but my kids and the dog with me and I would rather not the latter but dont know what to do.. I am trying to SAVE some things that are sentimental to us and store elsewhere. Thats all. I get the point all too well and all to extreme as far as my husband is concernd. I dontknow how many of you have dealt with this with families and can imageine how difficult this is. I really appreacite supportive comments very much. I am trying to get out of here the RIGHTest way I can as fast as I can with two kids who own 4 animals and a relunctant husband. I need and most greatefully apprecaiate all helpful information! As for thieves, as long as you have new people come to this list they are most likely going to ask. I would imagine that some things that are antifungal just might kill spores though other wise why would we ingest them in order to kill candida and other yeast? That said.. I AM NOT TAKINg ANY CHANCES AND IF ANY ONE HAS SUGEGESTIONS ABOUT THE DOG I WOULD APPRECIATE IT! Robin > > > > http://www.thieves-secret.com/black-mold.htm ? > > > > Not looking to remediate my home with it, but to clean items like my rife machine and glass mandalas my kids made. > > > > Thank you! > > Robin > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 About the Dog, Is he long haired or short haired? dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: listspub <listspub@...> Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 6:56:12 PM Subject: [] Re: Thieves Claims  Im not taking anyting but my kids and the dog with me and I would rather not the latter but dont know what to do.. I am trying to SAVE some things that are sentimental to us and store elsewhere. Thats all. I get the point all too well and all to extreme as far as my husband is concernd. I dontknow how many of you have dealt with this with families and can imageine how difficult this is. I really appreacite supportive comments very much. I am trying to get out of here the RIGHTest way I can as fast as I can with two kids who own 4 animals and a relunctant husband. I need and most greatefully apprecaiate all helpful information! As for thieves, as long as you have new people come to this list they are most likely going to ask. I would imagine that some things that are antifungal just might kill spores though other wise why would we ingest them in order to kill candida and other yeast? That said.. I AM NOT TAKINg ANY CHANCES AND IF ANY ONE HAS SUGEGESTIONS ABOUT THE DOG I WOULD APPRECIATE IT! Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Robin, I can relate, it took me 8 months away from home seeing out of state doctor specialists with my sick son, advice from 2 doc specialists, Dr. Thrasher of this list, and an indoor air quality guy who also did testing to convince my husband to leave the house, and then I had to do all the work to find a new place.....I had asked him to get out as soon as the toxicology work indicated and we were being told to leave, but I was away and he couldn't figure out where to go (not rocket science, get a motel room, but...), so when my other son's school finished up months later I told him to drive half way to meet us on our drive back from dr. rea's in dallas, not cause we needed to caravan home but in order to get him and my other son out of that house. now we are moving our stuff and I tell him to shower as soon as he gets back from the old house and he raises a fuss, just really still doesn't totally get it... mostly we are storing our stuff, but I have given up on getting him to leave his precious nonwashed backpack behind and a few other things, and frankly in our case I don't really think it will make a difference, my sick son has many issues, he doesn't get worse around more mold vs. less as far as I can tell....and I am just not going to totally stress over the threat of bringing some invisible mycos along, I encourage you to try not to stress over it either, moving is stressful enuf as it is and this worrying about cross contamination takes the stress way over the top. Look at it this way, if you have picked a safer new place, then your mold and related exposures will go down dramatically immediately which has to be a good healthy thing, even if some cross contamination does occur. of course I am not a medical doctor or even an expert and I don't " react " to mold so I may be dead dead wrong, but what I do know is that the stress is poisonous! Hang in there, SUe V. >Im not taking anyting but my kids and the dog with me and I would rather >not the latter but dont know what to do.. > >I am trying to SAVE some things that are sentimental to us and store >elsewhere. Thats all. I get the point all too well and all to extreme as >far as my husband is concernd. I dontknow how many of you have dealt >with this with families and can imageine how difficult this is. I really >appreacite supportive comments very much. I am trying to get out of here >the RIGHTest way I can as fast as I can with two kids who own 4 animals >and a relunctant husband. I need and most greatefully apprecaiate all >helpful information! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Sue, Oh do I so know how you feel! And I hear you.. there is only so much you can do. Or go insane. Thanks so much for relating.:-) Im dealing with a biotoxin soup with lyme, babesia and mold exposures as well as most likely pretty bad pesticide exposures as a chlid.. Lots going on and coming up. Also when the body gets out of balance, the microbes do to and stress will effect that as well as the ability to detox. Its all of it.. but I am trying my best to make the tranitional place as clean as can be without going insane and ruining the relationship I have with my kids, even. I can hound them about only so much. They are such troupers.. so going with the flow here, losing so much for this experiment to get well. I can shave my daughters hair or take her beloved pet away.. I can take advantage of my sisters pool if the chlorine will help and wash the dog alot, use austin airs, vacc and dust alot, wash alot.. change cars.. not take anything with us that holds, traps dust. etc... We may have to change houses again but maybe we wont. I can only control so much.. remind me of this tomorrow... Robin > > Robin, > > I can relate, it took me 8 months away from home seeing out of state > doctor specialists with my sick son, advice from 2 doc specialists, Dr. > Thrasher of this list, and an indoor air quality guy who also did > testing to convince my husband to leave the house, and then I had to do > all the work to find a new place.....I had asked him to get out as soon > as the toxicology work indicated and we were being told to leave, but I > was away and he couldn't figure out where to go (not rocket science, get > a motel room, but...), so when my other son's school finished up months > later I told him to drive half way to meet us on our drive back from dr. > rea's in dallas, not cause we needed to caravan home but in order to get > him and my other son out of that house. > > now we are moving our stuff and I tell him to shower as soon as he gets > back from the old house and he raises a fuss, just really still doesn't > totally get it... > > mostly we are storing our stuff, but I have given up on getting him to > leave his precious nonwashed backpack behind and a few other things, and > frankly in our case I don't really think it will make a difference, my > sick son has many issues, he doesn't get worse around more mold vs. less > as far as I can tell....and I am just not going to totally stress over > the threat of bringing some invisible mycos along, I encourage you to > try not to stress over it either, moving is stressful enuf as it is and > this worrying about cross contamination takes the stress way over the > top. Look at it this way, if you have picked a safer new place, then > your mold and related exposures will go down dramatically immediately > which has to be a good healthy thing, even if some cross contamination > does occur. > > of course I am not a medical doctor or even an expert and I don't > " react " to mold so I may be dead dead wrong, but what I do know is that > the stress is poisonous! > > > Hang in there, SUe V. > > > >Im not taking anyting but my kids and the dog with me and I would rather > >not the latter but dont know what to do.. > > > >I am trying to SAVE some things that are sentimental to us and store > >elsewhere. Thats all. I get the point all too well and all to extreme as > >far as my husband is concernd. I dontknow how many of you have dealt > >with this with families and can imageine how difficult this is. I really > >appreacite supportive comments very much. I am trying to get out of here > >the RIGHTest way I can as fast as I can with two kids who own 4 animals > >and a relunctant husband. I need and most greatefully apprecaiate all > >helpful information! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 The advice I received about my dog was take her to the groomer cut her hair and have them bath her twice in an antifungal shampoo. I would imagine Nizoral would work. You have to remember that when you take him from the groomer to the your new residence the car must not be cross contaminated or all that work and money you just spent will all be for not. The one thing I've learned is that you ALWAYS have to think ahead, your main concern right now is to keep the mold exposure to an absolute minimum. > That said.. I AM NOT TAKINg ANY CHANCES AND IF ANY ONE HAS SUGEGESTIONS ABOUT THE DOG I WOULD APPRECIATE IT! > > Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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