Re: natural antifungals

[Guest guest]

How do you know when to start taking antifungals? So right now I need

to just do the diet and that is it? Do I need to start any supplements

or vitamins right now? I did get the natural brush and will start

that. Thank you for all your help Bee. God bless you for being such a

big help to me and others here.

> You should be on the diet awhile before starting antifungals; some

> people need to be on it for 6 months or more.

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[Guest guest]

> Hello Bee,

>

> Did you have members cure their candida prior to removing these natural

> antifungals from your program? Ex... Garlic,oil of oregano, clove oil.

+++Hi Caine. Yes, of course people got well before I removed antifungals, but

it was because they did the diet and took the supplements and not because

candida was being killed off by antifungals since we know that is impossible

anyway.

>

> If so i would like to incorporate a clove of garlic with each of my two meals.

Thus far i have stayed away from any and all carbs, but on fitday it states in

one clove of garlic it has .66g of carbs, and i hope i can handle that by now. 7

months all meat/fat.

+++Garlic is a whole food so of course it is okay to have as much as you can

tolerate.

>

> As with CO, garlic has many health benefits besides its antifungal

> properties, but if it's going to be to overwhelming for my body then i will

refrain from adding those into my regime.

+++Garlic, like other good healing foods, herbs and spices does create healing

and detoxifying symptoms because it is high in sulphur, so start with small

amounts and slowly increase them so your healing symptoms are more intolerable.

>

> And for Oil of Oregano i was just going to add one drop in my egg drink each

morning, no more than that.

+++You can if you wish. It won't hurt you.

Your friend, Bee

[Guest guest]

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> > Hello Bee,

>

> >

> > Did you have members cure their candida prior to removing these

natural

> > antifungals from your program? Ex... Garlic,oil of oregano, clove

oil.

>

> +++Hi Caine. Yes, of course people got well before I removed

antifungals, but it was because they did the diet and took the

supplements and not because candida was being killed off by antifungals

since we know that is impossible anyway.

> >

> > If so i would like to incorporate a clove of garlic with each of my

two meals. Thus far i have stayed away from any and all carbs, but on

fitday it states in one clove of garlic it has .66g of carbs, and i hope

i can handle that by now. 7 months all meat/fat.

>

> +++Garlic is a whole food so of course it is okay to have as much as

you can tolerate.

> >

> > As with CO, garlic has many health benefits besides its antifungal

> > properties, but if it's going to be to overwhelming for my body then

i will refrain from adding those into my regime.

>

> +++Garlic, like other good healing foods, herbs and spices does create

healing and detoxifying symptoms because it is high in sulphur, so start

with small amounts and slowly increase them so your healing symptoms are

more intolerable.

> >

> > And for Oil of Oregano i was just going to add one drop in my egg

drink each morning, no more than that.

>

> +++You can if you wish. It won't hurt you.

>

> Your friend, Bee

Hi Bee,

Ok i will add the garlic slowly.

Forgot to ask should i cook the garlic cloves or can i eat them raw? I

know for veggies you say to cook to help break cell wall, just wondered

if that applied to garlic as well.

Thanks so much ....... Caine........

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Ok i will add the garlic slowly.

>

> Forgot to ask should i cook the garlic cloves or can i eat them raw? I

> know for veggies you say to cook to help break cell wall, just wondered if

that applied to garlic as well.

+++Hi Caine,

They are better cooked, but some raw is okay too.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi Bee,

> >

> > Ok i will add the garlic slowly.

> >

> > Forgot to ask should i cook the garlic cloves or can i eat them raw?

I

> > know for veggies you say to cook to help break cell wall, just

wondered if that applied to garlic as well.

>

> +++Hi Caine,

>

> They are better cooked, but some raw is okay too.

>

> Bee

Hi Bee,

Ok thanks again..... Caine......

[Guest guest]

I absolutely love RAW Garlic....I chop up one clove really fine and put it on

top of my steak and kinda rub it onto the top of the steak with a

knife...YUM...YUM....Enjoy...Gail...(Curlygirl)

> >

> > Hi Bee,

> >

> > Ok i will add the garlic slowly.

> >

> > Forgot to ask should i cook the garlic cloves or can i eat them raw? I

> > know for veggies you say to cook to help break cell wall, just wondered if

that applied to garlic as well.

>

> +++Hi Caine,

>

> They are better cooked, but some raw is okay too.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried Olive leaf extract or Capric Acid?

nne~

>

> Does anyone have a list of natural antifungals? I soon will need different

ones to rotate with.

>

[Guest guest]

Coconut Oil, organic unrefined made from fresh copra, never heated. 

Garlic also serves as an antibiotic.

 

Olive Leaf Extract. 

Oregano Oil

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: nne <Roxygardens@...>

Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 5:02:09 PM

Subject: [] Re: natural antifungals

 

Have you tried Olive leaf extract or Capric Acid?

nne~

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> Does anyone have a list of natural antifungals? I soon will need different

ones

>to rotate with.

>

[Guest guest]

Please consider the following:

1. antifungal in what way? surface? skin? internal infection?

2. (very important) how do YOU define " natural " ? Many synthesized (man-made)

'chemicals' are no less or no more hazardous than naturally occurring chems. And

many can be dangerous if not used in the correct manner and dose.

E.g., there is a surface " disinfectant " that claims to use a 'botanical' (plant

oil derived) ingredient; in fact, the " oil " is not considered hazardous by the

EPA, but they did not review the actual active ingredient in the oil! And it is

a naturally occurring phenol; in Europe, the literature recommends PPE for the

oil because it can cause some skin and mucous irritation. Here in the U.S., the

ingredient is relatively ignored.

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> Does anyone have a list of natural antifungals? I soon will need different

ones to rotate with.

>

[Guest guest]

Interestingly, if one wants to sell a product that claims it will kill mold

(fungi) it must comply with Federal rules under the legislation FIFRA (federal

insecticide, fungicide,and rodenticide Act). The point of the legislation is to

warn the public that the product may be hazardous to health.

EPA must review and approve the product claims and the label. This is called

being " registered " .

The manufacture must provide results of testing to prove that it actually kills

the species listed on the claim (you will see this list on the labels of any

product with antibacterial or 'kills mold and mildew' claims.

Such words as 'green', 'natural' are not permitted since they imply (per the

EPA) a level of safety, or rather, they imply (to the public at large) " no

hazard " . This makes sense and is reasonable.

If a product claims some antifungal action, it must be " registered " , and this

registration must be on the label. If not, one can file a complaint to the EPA,

they will investigate, and can force the product off the market and levy fines

against the company for violation of Federal law.

You can go to the EPA website and check the list of registered products and see

the ingredients. There are thousands, but only a few families of chemicals are

used for antimicrobials (fungi and/or bacteria). So you will learn that pricing

and efficacy are more about marketing and sales rather then some special

ingredient.

Very few products have been registered with ingredients that many of you

consider " natural " , such as tea tree oil. In fact, I believe tea tree is not

allowed to be used (the history of why not is complex, see the " tea tree bible "

book for more info), even though tea tree has very good, potent, antifungal and

antibacterial properties.

Learn more from EPA sites and other links you find (a couple universities have

good info).

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> > Does anyone have a list of natural antifungals? I soon will need different

ones

> >to rotate with.

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[Guest guest]

Good advice . However, problems that I see with any pesticide, including

antifungals and antibacterial agents, registered with the EPA are ingredients

without a definition. They usually only list the active ingredient, which are

toxic to the intended target. Watch out for the term inert ingredients. Inert

ingredients can be very toxic to sensitive individuals. All inert means in the

activity of the mixture, is that the inert chemicals are not a pesticide towards

the target. However, they may be toxic chemicals, e.g. solvents or heavy metals,

to mention a couple of categories..

[] Re: natural antifungals

Interestingly, if one wants to sell a product that claims it will kill mold

(fungi) it must comply with Federal rules under the legislation FIFRA (federal

insecticide, fungicide,and rodenticide Act). The point of the legislation is to

warn the public that the product may be hazardous to health.

EPA must review and approve the product claims and the label. This is called

being " registered " .

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[Guest guest]

Jack,

Absolutely right!

I have personal experience with a cleaner/disinfectant, uses quats, but there is

something in the surfactant that is very irritating to me. Compared to other

quat based cleaner/disinfecants.

There are many other issues with the registration, and those 'hidden'

ingredients are one.

There is a similar problem with labelling ingredients as " hazardous " or not, the

hazard determination is often based on high concentrations, when in fact the

ingredient is in relatively small, inconsequential levels. Of course, the

opposite is happening, where the incorrect threshhold is higher than the

concentration effecting health, as you so often show in your work.

E.,g a thymol is a good example of the confusion that a manufacturer can cause

(both intentional and unintentional), and ultimately use to get away with

selling under a " green " campaign. If I recall, the product was approved using

thyme oil, but it's the naturally occurring phenol, thymol, IN the oil that is

actually the fungicide. But EPA didn't ask about that, they simply approved the

thyme oil.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> Good advice . However, problems that I see with any pesticide, including

antifungals and antibacterial agents, registered with the EPA are ingredients

without a definition. They usually only list the active ingredient, which are

toxic to the intended target. Watch out for the term inert ingredients. Inert

ingredients can be very toxic to sensitive individuals. All inert means in the

activity of the mixture, is that the inert chemicals are not a pesticide towards

the target. However, they may be toxic chemicals, e.g. solvents or heavy metals,

to mention a couple of categories..

>

> [] Re: natural antifungals

>

> Interestingly, if one wants to sell a product that claims it will kill mold

(fungi) it must comply with Federal rules under the legislation FIFRA (federal

insecticide, fungicide,and rodenticide Act). The point of the legislation is to

warn the public that the product may be hazardous to health.

> EPA must review and approve the product claims and the label. This is called

being " registered " .

> <snip>

>

[Guest guest]

: and the beat goes on. Government agencies and industry.

[] Re: natural antifungals

>

> Interestingly, if one wants to sell a product that claims it will kill mold

(fungi) it must comply with Federal rules under the legislation FIFRA (federal

insecticide, fungicide,and rodenticide Act). The point of the legislation is to

warn the public that the product may be hazardous to health.

> EPA must review and approve the product claims and the label. This is called

being " registered " .

> <snip>

>

[Guest guest]

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You are right, I should have specified. I meant non-prescription antifungals

for killing candida, ones like garlic, olive leaf extract, pau d'arco, etc.

I am on my third antifungal and can possibly rotate back to the first one,

ginger. I am currently using elderberry extract. The last one I used was olive

leaf extract. I used to use garlic 2 1/2 years ago, but after all the mold

exposure I got I became so reactive to the sulfur in garlic and onion I can't

use it. :-(

anita

[Guest guest]

Jack, are you quoting Sonny? or Cher?

Come clean, you're a fan aren't you?

JK (just kiddin' around)

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> : and the beat goes on. Government agencies and industry.

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> [] Re: natural antifungals

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> Jack,

> Absolutely right!

> I have personal experience with a cleaner/disinfectant, uses quats, but

there is something in the surfactant that is very irritating to me. Compared to

other quat based cleaner/disinfecants.

> There are many other issues with the registration, and those

snip..

[Guest guest]

At my age it is Sinatra, Nat King Cole and London and some others you

never heard about.

[] Re: natural antifungals

>

> Jack,

> Absolutely right!

> I have personal experience with a cleaner/disinfectant, uses quats, but

there is something in the surfactant that is very irritating to me. Compared to

other quat based cleaner/disinfecants.

> There are many other issues with the registration, and those

snip..