Self-defeating actions [WAS: What can off gas and what cannot/Re: Plastic Containers]

[Guest guest]

Carl, I have to say I agree with what you said 100%. In context to what I read

after your comment I think what you said is key advice. I think sometimes we

become so overwhelmed with the truth and even knowledge of what is at hand and

must be done it becomes easy to wonder off in our thinking and no longer are

able to rationalize the truth. I know for myself when it went so far that I was

now reacting to chemical exposures that yes. Seems I thought of everything other

than dealing with what was really going on. Just the thought of slowly weeding

out what does and doesnt bother you is way more than I can handle at one time.

The fact is there is no other way to figure it out and the only other

alternative is to continue being ill because it is too hard to figure out. The

answers are as simple as you have stated here. Thank you. That was very well

said.

Chris________________________________

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 1:44:05 AM

Subject: [] Self-defeating actions [WAS: What can off gas and what

cannot/Re: Plastic Containers]

 

Group,

I'm going to take an non-religious position here, which many of

you have already done. But I'm going one step further. And my

rant may offend! So beware.

Most of the extreme harm is caused because we don't know to

recognize a bad situation and then how to leave it when we do. In

that sense perhaps we bring it on ourselves. I was guilty of this

for over 40 years, staying in a bad situation in combination with

medical issues I was equally unaware of. If we don't know any

better it's not our fault and I don't think a higher level power is

deliberately testing us. We are ignorant. Let's accept that fact

instead of pushing the blame to something outside of us.

But once we know and once we begin paying attention and learn

and still don't take appropriate action then that is like staying in a

burning building and protesting we can't afford to leave. Besides,

where's the doctor or insurance agent or other authority giving us

permission to leave?

If that situation we deserve what happens. I was guilty of that also

until I got so sick I lost the house to foreclosure. That was a

decision forced upon me by others but caused by my own

stubborness and fear.

What we bring on ourselves is the not paying attention to what is

happening to US individually, irrespective of what happens to

others. This is an extremely individual experience. What works

for one could harm another, and conversely. Which is why it can

be such a lonely experience.

Not everyone gets ill from mold, bacteria, and the other " filth " in

water damaged buildings. But it's not healthy for them to stay.

They just react differently and not as strongly as we do.

I cannot continue to complain if I stay in a water damaged

building. I should not be advising others if I don't take care of

myself. I cannot continue to blame someone else if I inspect a

building which makes me sick. I should not be making

recommendations to them if I don't follow my own advise.

I can choose to leave. Yes, that's how I make my living but I still

can choose which jobs I take and which I don't. I don't go with my

colleagues, for example, to help out at Katrina or Nashville or

Iowa because I know what it will do to me.

Self determination is powerful and so energizing!

Because this is a very lonely experience I encourage sharing our

experiences. But the danger is, and this group is at that point, of

getting so involved in finally finding others who understand that

we put the sharing ahead of the facts that we need. We start

trying to meet our needs based on what others need. There are

some basics in common but most of the details are unique to you

and only you.

For example, much, but not all, of the recent conversation about

cross-contamination treats it as if it is magical and the mere

thought of mold fully contaminates everything around you forever

and ever and it can never be fixed. Oh god I'm doomed! Cross-

contaminaton can be extremely difficult but not to the extent

many are discussing here. If we do reach that extreme point of

harm, and many in this group have, we are reacting to so many

different things that it can appear as if we are continuing to be

reactive to cross-contamination of mold.

As many of you know, the exposures from chemicals, cleaning

products, and personal care products can be really confusing. If

you are reacting to them in addition to the mold but only

addressing the mold the only success you will have is depleting

your bank account and destroying your family relationships.

I apologize if my soap box rant has offended anyone but I see

people leading people down the wrong path for the wrong

reasons.

Each of us must determine for ourselves what is true for ourself

even if it is not true for anyone else in the entire universe. We

each much select out of the complex mass of information (mostly

mis-information) what we can understand and trust so we can

each make better decisions for ourself.

Then share your experience. Please!

But don't assume that what worked for you will work for others.

The one exception to that advise is if the exposure doesn't stop

you cannot get well. If you can't remove the source of exposure

from you then you must remove yourself from that exposure.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

HI, out of curiosity what area did you find is a good area for you?

thanks, sue

I think I finally found a good area of the country for me. At

>least that's something--in terms of climate, sun, warmth, altitude, lack

>of pollution etc, it has been really a steep learning curve.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Carl, for putting things in to perspective. The huge number of things

people can react to, with one causing another to bother you in some cases, with

the individuality of peoples situations, the invisible nature of the subjects,

one can become fearful to touch anything or breath any where. Not a way to

live. Stress is bad for you too. All you can do is trial and error and trial

again. Sometimes it may be a condition you have unrelated to your environment,

started by environment but going without any environmental component any more.

We share just to get ideas and share experience but not to take as this is the

enemy or or that is the enemy.

>

> Group,

>

> I'm going to take an non-religious position here, which many of

> you have already done. But I'm going one step further. And my

> rant may offend! So beware.

>

> Most of the extreme harm is caused because we don't know to

> recognize a bad situation and then how to leave it when we do. In

> that sense perhaps we bring it on ourselves. I was guilty of this

> for over 40 years, staying in a bad situation in combination with

> medical issues