Probiotics

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I am looking into giving my daughter probiotics.What do most of you give to

your kids? I went to Kirkmans and they have several to choose from.I don't

know the differences from one to the next.I was thinking of

Culturelle(sp?).What do you think?Thanks ne

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my feeling is that the the enteric capsule type is best as these

capsules don't dissolve in the stomach, but the intestine which is

where the bacteria are needed. the stomach acid destroys a lot of the

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In @y..., AhJhawk@a... wrote:

> I am looking into giving my daughter probiotics.What do most of you

give to

> your kids? I went to Kirkmans and they have several to choose

from.I don't

> know the differences from one to the next.I was thinking of

> Culturelle(sp?).What do you think?Thanks ne

>

>

>

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We've just started using Klaire Therbiotic Complete. It come's

highly recommended from Dr. Jaquelyn McCandless. In fact, if you

mention her name, you get a discount. I ordered it via telephone.

If you want more details, hop over the chelatingkids2, a group,

and do a search. I think it has been helpful for my son.

It's somehow formulated so that the tiny pellets are coated or

encapsulated, which is supposed to prevent it from being " destroyed "

in the stomach, and getting to the intestines where it is needed.

When we are vigilant about using it, 's stools are definitely

better. I would start out slowly, though, not a whole tab in one

day. FYI -- You aren't supposed to mix in liquid, but can mix in

food, ie applesauce, etc.

Regards,

> Hello all. I've been giving my son Primadophilus everyday for some

time now. He's also on Diflucan. I think he's still got a yeast

problem and I'm looking to try a different probiotic.

>

> I've found these two that make strong claims. Has anyone else

heard of/tried either of these?

>

> Friends for Life ( " super strain " L. acidophilus and B. bifidum) see

www.candidayeast.com

>

> Threelac (Lactobacillus Sporogenes, Bacillus Subtilis and

Streptococcus Faecalis) see www.threelac.net

>

> Thanks for any input.

>

> Sincerely,

> April

>

>

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I believe it's Kyodophilus (not Kryo).

Caroline

> On 1/9/04 7:42 PM, " " <thecolemans4@...> wrote:

> Kryodophilus

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Gaylen

Dr G told us to give Jack acidophilus or kyodophilus. We opted for

the kyo since it came in small capsule form. I found a good price

on it at www.webvitamins.com.

> Question for those whose children are being treated (or have been

in the

> past) by Dr. Goldberg or the NY clinic: which probiotics products

that the docs

> have allowed have your child been able tolerate well? I'm

especially curious

> to know for patients who have also been treated for strep since

there was

> recent mention on another list of a particular strain of

beneficial bacteria that

> makes strep worse.

>

> My son used to take a probiotic blend that Dr. G was fine with but

about six

> months into the protocol, it seemed to make his ear rash break out

so we

> stopped it and never added in a replacement. Now that he's

probably going to be

> taking an antibiotic for awhile, I'm thinking it might be a good

idea to add

> back in some sort of probiotic but am not sure which once since

he's so sensative.

> Gaylen

>

>

>

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If she is laxative dependent and needs to get off of the chemicals, I would

think that a fiber, as in psyllium husk, would be a healthful alternative to

help her start moving on her own. Kefir will change the flora, but I don't know

if it will cause her bowels to necessarily move. Especially, if they are

dependant on chemicals at present. I would combine the Kefir with a natural

fiber alternative to the laxatives.

I think you should find someone with REAL Kefir grains, as well. They propagate

on their own and you can have a constant supply of healthful real Kefir.

I hope she is free and 'on her own' soon.

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I don't know anything about Healthy Trinity, but we have used Primal Defense and

Jarro-Dophilus brands with good success. Although I think a lot of people

consider Primal Defense to be the top of the line product. Why is your daughter

laxative dependent?

Rebekah

probiotics

I don't know if it is OK to ask this question here, I hoe so...

Does anyone know which probiotic brand is best...I am looking at Primal

Defense and Healthy Trinity and I just don't know what to look for. My

daughter is laxative dependent. I am beginning to worry about her. She

was in distress not too long ago and took something called " fleet "

which is what people take to clean out their colon before a colonsopy.

Nothing happen for 4 hours and then she vomited and nothing ever

happened with her bowels. She is eating the commercial kefir and has

been for about a week now, but has had to take another laxative cause

the kefir is not yet working for her. I am wondering if she should

start the probiotics and which brand is the best.

Thanks, Sandy

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,

I don't know what probiotics might be best, but I do know they will take a

while to work and my understanding is that without the proper diet to

support the new colonies introduced, they would have to be depended on

long-term. You didn't say anything about your daughter's diet, but that

might be a helpful thing to review on the list. Meanwhile, because

laxatives can be both dangerous and habit-forming, I would suggest you

discuss the possibility of an occasional enema. They will at least keep

things moving, without being habit-forming, until she's in a better state.

Good luck.

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On Saturday, February 5, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Rebekah Dowd wrote:

> I don't know anything about Healthy Trinity, but we have used Primal

> Defense and Jarro-Dophilus brands with good success.  Although I think

> a lot of people consider Primal Defense to be the top of the line

> product.  Why is your daughter laxative dependent? 

>

> Rebekah

She has been constipated all her life. I had to put prune juice(per

her doctor) in her bottle when she was a baby.

She has taken laxatives on and off all her life and has never been

regular. It is now getting worse. I am just now finding out about all

the good bacteria and all that. Her pediatrician would always just

tell me to put her on Senekot.

Sandy

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On Saturday, February 5, 2005, at 10:59 AM, West wrote:

> ,

>

> I don't know what probiotics might be best, but I do know they will

> take a

> while to work and my understanding is that without the proper diet to

> support the new colonies introduced, they would have to be depended on

> long-term.  You didn't say anything about your daughter's diet, but

> that

> might be a helpful thing to review on the list.  Meanwhile, because

> laxatives can be both dangerous and habit-forming, I would suggest you

> discuss the possibility of an occasional enema.  They will at least

> keep

> things moving, without being habit-forming, until she's in a better

> state.

> Good luck.

>

>

>

She eats a lot of salads with a little meat such as chicken breast, but

I do think until recently she would binge on hard candies occasionally.

I believe she has given that up now. We just recently about one week

ago started her on commercial kefir (Helios) and Redwood Hill Farm's

goat's yogurt with s.thermophilus, l. bulgaricus, l. acidophilus &

bifidus added. She mixes those two together and adds frozen berries (no

sugar added) and stevia and eats for breakfast. For lunch and dinner

she either has a salad or zucchini or eggplant with Marinara Sauce and

no breads or grains. She loves vinegar type dressings. I don't know if

I could talk her into the enema. She is very reluctant to stuff like

that and I would have no idea how to advise on such. I just a couple

day ago received some kefir grains and have my first batch of homemade

kefir in my fridge, but my daughter is in another town and will have to

wait to get started on the homemade kefir. I am also making kombucha

tea and wonder if that might help her?

Sandy

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Sandy,

<I don't know if

I could talk her into the enema.>

Well, enemas have lost their one-time commonplace status in this country, so

I could understand, esp. if she's quite young, any reluctance on her part.

Still, you might do a google search and let her read a little about it. The

only other safe thing I can think of to get her off the laxatives when she

is " stuck " is clay. Again you may have to google for info that will make

this acceptable to her.

Finally, I would just note that from your description of her diet and her

previous binging habits, it sounds as though she may be trying to hold her

weight down and is simply not eating enough. If this is the case, what she

may be most lacking is some good fats. These can contribute to regularity.

Again, research may help convince her both of the health benefits, and the

weight control benefits of fat. My guess is that some additional meat,

especially red meat, might be useful as well for her general health, if not

for regularity.

[Guest guest]

This sounds like almost exactly what we went through with my oldest daughter,

who is now 6 yrs. old. We're finding that her problems were/are related to

food intolerances. Getting the colon re-colonized with healthy flora is good,

and has helped, but we found we had to first remove the antagonist/allergen.

Hope you find what works for your daughter as well !

Rebekah

Re: probiotics

On Saturday, February 5, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Rebekah Dowd wrote:

> I don't know anything about Healthy Trinity, but we have used Primal

> Defense and Jarro-Dophilus brands with good success. Although I think

> a lot of people consider Primal Defense to be the top of the line

> product. Why is your daughter laxative dependent?

>

> Rebekah

She has been constipated all her life. I had to put prune juice(per

her doctor) in her bottle when she was a baby.

She has taken laxatives on and off all her life and has never been

regular. It is now getting worse. I am just now finding out about all

the good bacteria and all that. Her pediatrician would always just

tell me to put her on Senekot.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Also, what about using flax seeds to treat the constipation? There is a good

recipe in NT for this;

Grind 1 TBLSP. flax seeds in a mini mill and mix with 1 cup filtered water.

Drink immediately.

Rebekah

Re: probiotics

If she is laxative dependent and needs to get off of the chemicals, I would

think that a fiber, as in psyllium husk, would be a healthful alternative to

help her start moving on her own. Kefir will change the flora, but I don't know

if it will cause her bowels to necessarily move. Especially, if they are

dependant on chemicals at present. I would combine the Kefir with a natural

fiber alternative to the laxatives.

I think you should find someone with REAL Kefir grains, as well. They

propagate on their own and you can have a constant supply of healthful real

Kefir.

I hope she is free and 'on her own' soon.

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On Saturday, February 5, 2005, at 03:19 PM, West wrote:

> If this is the case, what she

> may be most lacking is some good fats.  These can contribute to

> regularity.

> Again, research may help convince her both of the health benefits, and

> the

> weight control benefits of fat.  My guess is that some additional meat,

> especially red meat, might be useful as well for her general health,

> if not

> for regularity.

>

>

Interesting...OK well I will encourage her to try and put some more

oils in her diet and red meat at least once a week?

Thanks so much, Sandy

[Guest guest]

On Saturday, February 5, 2005, at 03:36 PM, Rebekah Dowd wrote:

> Also, what about using flax seeds to treat the constipation?  There is

> a good recipe in NT for this;

>

> Grind 1 TBLSP. flax seeds in a mini mill and mix with 1 cup filtered

> water.  Drink immediately. 

>

> Rebekah

>

Thank you Rebekah...we will give this a try...we need a mini mill.

Where do they sell mini mills?

Thanks, Sandy

[Guest guest]

>>>Also, what about using flax seeds to treat the constipation? There is a good

recipe in NT for this;

Grind 1 TBLSP. flax seeds in a mini mill and mix with 1 cup filtered water.

Drink immediately.<<<

I also found that ground flax seeds were good for the little bit of constipation

I had when I started low-carbing.

When my daughter was little, we found that eggs and cheese really jammed her up.

When we reduced the amount she was having, she was fine. But, she grew out of

that. She'd now (16) have cheese every meal if you let her.

Cheers,

Tas'.

" Give it to us raw and wrrrrrrrrriggling " - Smeagol, LOTR.

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[Guest guest]

Is she getting any GOOD FATS? Her menu sounds rather low

in protein and fats.

Avocado or Avocado Oil

Beef Fat

Coconut Oil

Palm Oil

Sesame Oil

Walnut Oil

Rice Bran Oil

Olive Oil

Butter

Ghee

High Oleic Safflower or Sunflower Oil

Deep Sea Fish Oils

Regards,

Darrell

[Guest guest]

--- In , <samack@c...>

wrote:

> Does anyone know which probiotic brand is best...I am looking at

>Primal Defense and Healthy Trinity and I just don't know what to

>look for.

I haven't posted in a long time, but this is a topic near and dear to

me. I can relate to your Daughter. I'm 37 and I haven't been

regular since birth (my Mom used to call me her " Sunday Baby " - if I

went at all, it was usually on Sunday - this holds true today). By

regular, I mean that weeks can pass before I would " go " and even then

it would be far less than a normal person's daily movement. In my

late 20s it turned into IBS. I've tried everything and I can still

taste the prune juice. Laxatives and enemas do not work for me at

all. With NT, no caffeine and a fairly unstressful lifestyle, I've

overcome the IBS stuff but not the constipation. Psyllium has been

somewhat helpful (I get mine from www.drrons.com), but eventually I

just get too bloated. PB8 (brand of probiotics) was helpful and a

lot cheaper than Healthy Trinity. I've tried Primal Defense, but

have had mixed results. I get stomach upset with it that I don't

normally have without it.

Three things that have seemed to help over the years: 1) Red Meat - a

good burger or steak always seems to get me going the next day. To

Wanita - yes, I'm a protein type, fast oxidizer. 2) Red Wine -

there's something about a good red wine that can help a bit the next

day. 3) Dr Schulze's Intestinal Formula #1 and #2. posted

some info about Dr. Schulz's formulas (www.herbdoc.com) early last

year (maybe earlier) and I decided it was worth a shot. I've been

using them daily for at least 8 months now. I've got my Mom using

them now, too and she has been using various herbal laxatives for

years. I take the formula #1 daily and am so thankful for knowing

about it (thanks, ). I've tried other herbal formulas and

NOTHING has worked like this stuff.

Sorry for being so long! In the meantime, I've been ruling out

allergies and sensitivites. Sugar is a big constipator for me. Easy

to avoid, though.

[Guest guest]

On Saturday, February 5, 2005, at 09:14 PM, pinksmastiffs wrote:

> Dr Schulze's Intestinal Formula #1 and #2.  posted

> some info about Dr. Schulz's formulas (www.herbdoc.com) early last

> year (maybe earlier) and I decided it was worth a shot.  I've been

> using them daily for at least 8 months now.  I've got my Mom using

> them now, too and she has been using various herbal laxatives for

> years.  I take the formula #1 daily and am so thankful for knowing

> about it (thanks, ).  I've tried other herbal formulas and

> NOTHING has worked like this stuff.

>

> Sorry for being so long!  In the meantime, I've been ruling out

> allergies and sensitivites. Sugar is a big constipator for me.  Easy

> to avoid, though.

>

>

>

>

Thank you so much , since you have had this same problem I am

going to really recommend this product to her.

I hope she can have the same success you have had.

Sandy

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--- In , <samack@c...>

wrote:

I don't know if

> I could talk her into the enema.

Sandy,

I thought she just did a Fleet enema? The yogis say drink a glass of

warmmilk with a teaspoon or more of ghee melted in at bedtime for

constipation btw. Add more ghee if needed--and it sounds like it is...

B.

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On Saturday, February 5, 2005, at 09:14 PM, pinksmastiffs wrote:

> With NT, no caffeine and a fairly unstressful lifestyle, I've

> overcome the IBS stuff but not the constipation...

>

>

,

Do you eat kefir?

Sandy

[Guest guest]

On Saturday, February 5, 2005, at 11:14 PM, downwardog7 wrote:

>

>

> I don't know if

> > I could talk her into the enema.  

>

> Sandy,

> I thought she just did a Fleet enema?  The yogis say drink a glass of

> warmmilk with a teaspoon or more of ghee melted in at bedtime for

> constipation btw.  Add more ghee if needed--and it sounds like it is...

> B.

>

>

She bought some flavored fleet and drank it but it did not work for

her. She ended up in the bathroom 5 hours later vomiting!

Sandy

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--- In , <samack@c...>

wrote:

> ,

>

> Do you eat kefir?

>

> Sandy

Yes, I drink a glass or two each morning and have for a few years

now. I accidentally destroyed my grains and didn't make any for a

few months and noticed that my digestion suffered. I love kefir. I

make mine from grains.

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