Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Brigite, Why don't you try to make the sauerkraut and eat it eveyday? Or make some kefir? These would be much cheaper for you, and have all of those probiotics! And keep asking questions! That's why we're here! PattyKissofSadness@... wrote: Thanks for helping... because I am otherwise CLUELESS. GNC is the only place I can think of that would have anything around here, and they don't carry anything I've seen mentioned other than Primal Defense. Also, I can't afford $30. I'll be borrowing money as it is to do the $80 dentist appointment and what ever treatment I need, then add at least another $25 for an rx. If the cheaper stuff at GNC could work, I really have to go with that or nothing. Here's what Kyo-Dophilus, that was recommended, contains: L. acidophilus, B. bifidum and B. longum. These specially cultured human strains are carefully processed to retain viability at room temperature But GNC has one for $8 that has everything but the B. longum: L. Acidophilus Bifidobacterium bifidum Lactobacillus bulgaricus Lactobacillus lactis sp. lactus Lactobacillus rhamnosus Lactobacillus salivarius steptococcus thermophilus (That one is chewable.) Another that is in pill form called: Natural Brand Acidophilus 1 Billion CFU says it's a probiotic blend and has: 1 billion organisms, L. acidophilus, B. bifidum, L. helveticus, and S. thermophilus. Would either of these work, gals? They both say they that, among other things, they are used when antibiotics deplete healthy bacteria. Also, should these ONLY be taken while I'm on an antiobiotic, or would they be good to take all the time to fight the yeast issues? If the $8 ones work, I can swing that per month. Thanks...and again, sorry to bother everyone. I know you all must be tired of answering the same questions over and over so I tried the archives, but there are SO many hits for "probiotics," and like I said -GNC only has 1 that's been mentioned, and I can't afford over $10/mo or so. Brig How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 It tastes nothing like the stuff you find in the grocery store . . . RogeneKissofSadness@... wrote: I will try the kraut, so long as I can stomach it. I kept the recipe. ---Thank you! Brig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Ah hah! . . .No wonder I thought there was too much Caraway in one batch . . . I reduced it after that . . . My mistake. . . The recipe I posted came from Wood - so I know hers is right! Rogene Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: I looked this recipe up on the net and found this one, that appears the same, but it calls for 1 teaspoon of caraway seeds. I think the one posted calls for 1 Tablespoon. Rogene, when you make it, how much do you use? Patty http://www.rwood.com/Recipes/Ruby_Sauerkraut_with_Caraway.htm Ruby Sauerkraut with Caraway Accompanying article: Fermented Foods Strengthen Immune System Makes approximately 3 ½ cups Raw sauerkraut is a living cultured food that is high in lactic acid. Tangy and delicious, it strengthens your immune system and has other remarkable healing properties. Refrigerated kraut holds well for months and gets sassier as it ages. I vary the seasonings in this easy kraut recipe from batch to batch. My favorite seasonings include cumin, dill, seaweed, garlic, ginger, juniper and chili. This recipe takes its color from the beet, but purple cabbage will yield a similar ruby color. For pale-colored sauerkraut, omit the beet and use green cabbage. Three things that prevent spoilage are salt, an anaerobic (air-free) environment and lactic acid fermentation. Salt is a natural preservative. Secondly, the weight you’ll apply on top keeps the cabbage submerged under the brine and, thus, in an anaerobic (air-free) environment. Lastly, as the cabbage ferments, lactic acid develops which creates an undesirable environment for potential microbial contaminants. 1 large head organic cabbage1 medium beet2 minced garlic cloves1 teaspoon caraway seeds1 tablespoon sea salt Remove any coarse or dry outer cabbage leaves. Cut the cabbage lengthwise into quarters. Grate the cabbage, core and all, and beet on ¼-inch holes of a hand grater or in a food processor using the fine grater. Mix the vegetables with the garlic, caraway seeds and salt. Firmly pack into a wide-mouth quart jar, filling it almost to the brim. Set the jar on a plate to collect any potential overflow. To apply pressure to the top of the vegetable shreds, use a weight that’s small enough to nest inside of the wide-mouth jar. This weight may be a clean rock or a water-filled glass bottle or a zip-lock baggie. Rest the weight atop the grated cabbage. Brine will form and rise to the surface within 24 hours. (If brine fails to rise and/or remain at the top, dissolve ¼ teaspoon salt in ½ cup water and pour it on top of the cabbage.) The kraut will be ready in 5 to 7 days, or when it has a pleasant and tangy fermented flavor and the cabbage shreds are translucent rather than opaque. (To heighten the sour flavor, ferment it for 10 days.) Remove the weight. Remove and discard any bubbly foam or discolored kraut from the top of the jar. Wash and tightly cover the jar. The kraut will keep refrigerated for 6 months. Serve as a condiment, allowing 1 -2 tablespoons per person. You can also add kraut to salads, sandwiches or use it as a flavoring agent in dressings and soups. May you be well nourished, WoodTricia Trish <glory2glory1401 > wrote: The sauerkraut recipe is in our Recipes section....go to database, and the first folder is recipes. It's there...ruby Sauerkraut. I bet it is good....I haven't had time to make it yet, though I bought the ingredients to do so, several times! I'm going to try once more and this time get it done. I want to focus on losing weight this month for sure, and sticking with my gluten free diet. Reading Donna Gates Body Ecology articles this morning also reminded me just how important it is to get those good flora in abundance in our systems. It's really, really, really important! Fermented foods are the way to go. The long-lived people in the Caucasus mountains relied on fermented foods--yogurt, kefir, fermented wines and vegetables, fermented grains--and they lived healthy, robust lives. Those good bacteria cannot be neglected! PattyRogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Brigite . . . The difference between the various probiotics are the types of live (yes, live) organisms in them . . . Acidopholis doesn't contain neary as many as Primal Defense . . . The only kind of acidopholis you should take is the type that's found in the refrigerated section of the store . . . That's expensive too - not as much as Primal Defense though. One thing you can do is to make your own protiotics . .. Homemade sauerkraut is outstanding! . . . In "Patient Heal Yourself", Dr. Rubin recommended two tablespoons three times a day . . . You can also get a starter and make your own yogurt. I haven't tried it, but you can also make Keflir. . . Dr. Rubin recommends eating naturally fermented vegetables . . . You might find that making your own is the cheapest way to go. I posted a recipe for sauerkraut, but the computer with the recipe on it is down right now . . . Maybe Patty or Kathy saved a copy of the recipe. I think it tastes wonderful . .. you can cook, but it's best eaten raw. Grapefruit seed extract may help you with the tooth infection. It's pretty cheap . . . the liquid tastes awful, but you'd know it's going to the source! Hugs, Rogene See the all-new, redesigned .com. Check it out. See the all-new, redesigned .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Okay, thanks, I just fixed the recipe in the recipe folder, so it's right now!Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Ah hah! . . .No wonder I thought there was too much Caraway in one batch . . . I reduced it after that . . . My mistake. . . The recipe I posted came from Wood - so I know hers is right! Rogene Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401 > wrote: I looked this recipe up on the net and found this one, that appears the same, but it calls for 1 teaspoon of caraway seeds. I think the one posted calls for 1 Tablespoon. Rogene, when you make it, how much do you use? Patty http://www.rwood.com/Recipes/Ruby_Sauerkraut_with_Caraway.htm Ruby Sauerkraut with Caraway Accompanying article: Fermented Foods Strengthen Immune System Makes approximately 3 ½ cups Raw sauerkraut is a living cultured food that is high in lactic acid. Tangy and delicious, it strengthens your immune system and has other remarkable healing properties. Refrigerated kraut holds well for months and gets sassier as it ages. I vary the seasonings in this easy kraut recipe from batch to batch. My favorite seasonings include cumin, dill, seaweed, garlic, ginger, juniper and chili. This recipe takes its color from the beet, but purple cabbage will yield a similar ruby color. For pale-colored sauerkraut, omit the beet and use green cabbage. Three things that prevent spoilage are salt, an anaerobic (air-free) environment and lactic acid fermentation. Salt is a natural preservative. Secondly, the weight you’ll apply on top keeps the cabbage submerged under the brine and, thus, in an anaerobic (air-free) environment. Lastly, as the cabbage ferments, lactic acid develops which creates an undesirable environment for potential microbial contaminants. 1 large head organic cabbage1 medium beet2 minced garlic cloves1 teaspoon caraway seeds1 tablespoon sea salt Remove any coarse or dry outer cabbage leaves. Cut the cabbage lengthwise into quarters. Grate the cabbage, core and all, and beet on ¼-inch holes of a hand grater or in a food processor using the fine grater. Mix the vegetables with the garlic, caraway seeds and salt. Firmly pack into a wide-mouth quart jar, filling it almost to the brim. Set the jar on a plate to collect any potential overflow. To apply pressure to the top of the vegetable shreds, use a weight that’s small enough to nest inside of the wide-mouth jar. This weight may be a clean rock or a water-filled glass bottle or a zip-lock baggie. Rest the weight atop the grated cabbage. Brine will form and rise to the surface within 24 hours. (If brine fails to rise and/or remain at the top, dissolve ¼ teaspoon salt in ½ cup water and pour it on top of the cabbage.) The kraut will be ready in 5 to 7 days, or when it has a pleasant and tangy fermented flavor and the cabbage shreds are translucent rather than opaque. (To heighten the sour flavor, ferment it for 10 days.) Remove the weight. Remove and discard any bubbly foam or discolored kraut from the top of the jar. Wash and tightly cover the jar. The kraut will keep refrigerated for 6 months. Serve as a condiment, allowing 1 -2 tablespoons per person. You can also add kraut to salads, sandwiches or use it as a flavoring agent in dressings and soups. May you be well nourished, WoodTricia Trish <glory2glory1401 > wrote: The sauerkraut recipe is in our Recipes section....go to database, and the first folder is recipes. It's there...ruby Sauerkraut. I bet it is good....I haven't had time to make it yet, though I bought the ingredients to do so, several times! I'm going to try once more and this time get it done. I want to focus on losing weight this month for sure, and sticking with my gluten free diet. Reading Donna Gates Body Ecology articles this morning also reminded me just how important it is to get those good flora in abundance in our systems. It's really, really, really important! Fermented foods are the way to go. The long-lived people in the Caucasus mountains relied on fermented foods--yogurt, kefir, fermented wines and vegetables, fermented grains--and they lived healthy, robust lives. Those good bacteria cannot be neglected! PattyRogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Brigite . . . The difference between the various probiotics are the types of live (yes, live) organisms in them . . . Acidopholis doesn't contain neary as many as Primal Defense . . . The only kind of acidopholis you should take is the type that's found in the refrigerated section of the store . . . That's expensive too - not as much as Primal Defense though. One thing you can do is to make your own protiotics . .. Homemade sauerkraut is outstanding! . . . In "Patient Heal Yourself", Dr. Rubin recommended two tablespoons three times a day . . . You can also get a starter and make your own yogurt. I haven't tried it, but you can also make Keflir. . . Dr. Rubin recommends eating naturally fermented vegetables . . . You might find that making your own is the cheapest way to go. I posted a recipe for sauerkraut, but the computer with the recipe on it is down right now . . . Maybe Patty or Kathy saved a copy of the recipe. I think it tastes wonderful . .. you can cook, but it's best eaten raw. Grapefruit seed extract may help you with the tooth infection. It's pretty cheap . . . the liquid tastes awful, but you'd know it's going to the source! Hugs, Rogene See the all-new, redesigned .com. Check it out. See the all-new, redesigned .com. Check it out. Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Can you girls tell me what probiotics pearls do anyways ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Well it was in 3 weeks Dr Kolb had to post pone till Oct 5th now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 , They restore the " good " bacteria to your digestive system. From what I understand, there are a number of reasons why the " good " bacteria get taken over by the " bad " , and I know one of the reasons is antibiotics. However, I believe there are many other reasons why this imbalance happens, and it's got to do with the type of diets we have. Everything is processed, and even if we eat vegetables and fruits, they often are grown in soil that is stripped of nutrients or filled with pesticides. The probiotics help restore the " good " bacteria. I've noticed since I've been taking them, I do feel a difference. The pain I was experiencing in my fingers and toes has gone away, and the numbness has, too. Right now I'm on antibiotics because I was bitten by a tick that had Lyme, but it seems the probiotics are helping to keep my system in check. I started out taking something called " Ceftin " and right away my fingers and toes ached again, but the doctor changed me to Doxycycline and I'm tolerating that much better. I have a little over a week left of treatment for the Lyme and hopefully I can get back on track - but at least the probiotics are keeping things in check. Your surgery is only about a month away, right? Sis > > Can you girls tell me what probiotics pearls do anyways ? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 This is really common. It really just goes to show you how badly our children need immune support. The same can happen with fevers. It can be related to a chronic bacterial infection, inflammation, etc. I find probiotics to be incredibly helpful in controlling yeast and bad bacteria in the gut. Cheryl On Mar 15, 2008, at 12:44 PM, alaine0617 wrote: > Hi all, > > I see alot of postings about probiotics. Can you give my some > practical info - how do they interact/enhance the rest of the > protocol; what affects (positive or negative) have you seen once > you're > using them? > > I have noticed that, if 's on an antibiotic (amoxicillin), he > seems > more sharp and engaged. Don't know if others have noticed this or > not - > he's recovering from a sinus infection, so he's taking it now; he also > had an infected finger a couple of months ago, and we saw the same > affect then. > > Thanks! Alaine > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Hi Alaine, We started using Kyodophylus twice a day, cut out brown rice & brown sugar all at the same time and my son's " reflux/gagging " stopped completely. I hope this helps. On Mar 15, 2008, at 12:44 PM, alaine0617 wrote: > Hi all, > > I see alot of postings about probiotics. Can you give my some > practical info - how do they interact/enhance the rest of the > protocol; what affects (positive or negative) have you seen once > you're > using them? > > I have noticed that, if 's on an antibiotic (amoxicillin), he > seems > more sharp and engaged. Don't know if others have noticed this or > not - > he's recovering from a sinus infection, so he's taking it now; he also > had an infected finger a couple of months ago, and we saw the same > affect then. > > Thanks! Alaine > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Kyodophilus. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Noel Schneider Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Probiotics Anyone know probiotics recommended by Dr. G? I want to start these with my son who is on Septra for the month. Thanks again, Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Noel, Remember to give probiotics at least 2 hours AFTER the last dose of antibiotics for the day, (so the antibiotic won¹t immediately kill the bacteria in the probiotic). Caroline From: Noel Schneider <schneid99@...> Reply-< > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:52:04 +0000 < > Subject: Probiotics Anyone know probiotics recommended by Dr. G? I want to start these with my son who is on Septra for the month. Thanks again, Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 THANK YOU!!! Caroline Glover <sfglover@...> wrote: Noel, Remember to give probiotics at least 2 hours AFTER the last dose of antibiotics for the day, (so the antibiotic won¹t immediately kill the bacteria in the probiotic). Caroline From: Noel Schneider <schneid99@...> Reply-< > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:52:04 +0000 < > Subject: Probiotics Anyone know probiotics recommended by Dr. G? I want to start these with my son who is on Septra for the month. Thanks again, Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 The office recommended Kyo-Dophylus to us. On May 14, 2008, at 7:52 AM, Noel Schneider wrote: > Anyone know probiotics recommended by Dr. G? I want to start these > with > my son who is on Septra for the month. Thanks again, Noel > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Alaine--sorry so late---this looks a little like virus stuff--that many parentstalk about--by now you probably have your answer bill.luce@... > Hi all, > > I see alot of postings about probiotics. Can you give my some > practical info - how do they interact/enhance the rest of the > protocol; what affects (positive or negative) have you seen once > you're > using them? > > I have noticed that, if 's on an antibiotic (amoxicillin) , he > seems > more sharp and engaged. Don't know if others have noticed this or > not - > he's recovering from a sinus infection, so he's taking it now; he also > had an infected finger a couple of months ago, and we saw the same > affect then. > > Thanks! Alaine > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I have used high quality probiotics for my daughter to no avail. I have not seen her food allergies decreased. Her food allergies seemed to get worse after we took care of the virus/yeast overload! - --- <jrodrig6605@...> wrote: > > I strongly believe that our children will suffer > from food allergies until their digestive system is > completely healed. > > > > I have been giving my son high dose probiotics for > the last year with the hopes of healing his > digestive system. In the past his behavior and mood > used to deteriorate when we gave him bread or milk > products. Now he can have bread and we can give > him milk products more often, chocolate cake, ice > cream, etc and it doesn't affect him. Dr. G ordered > a food allergy test because he thinks my son's food > allergies might be reduced. > > > > I believe my son's digestive system is doing better > and we are waiting for his food allergies test > results which are coming in the next 4-6 weeks > because of the high dose probiotics we are giving > him. > > > > I also believe that 10-30 billion/CFU of probiotics > daily won't help to heal the digestive system. If > we want to heal our children's digestive system we > need to give them much more than that. I am giving > my son 250 billion/CFU per day. > > > > Below is a page I found explaining how probiotics > can help heal the digestive system. > > > > Thanks, > JR > > > > > http://stanford.wellsphere.com/digestive-health-article/probiotics-and-their-ben\ efit-to-your-health/529170 > > > > > 7. Probiotics decrease inflammation in the gut, can > help provide nutrition needed for healthy gut lining > cells,synthesize vitamins such as the B vitamins > biotin and folate, and can break down certain cancer > causing chemicals (carcinogens) in our diet. > > 8. Probiotics decrease responses to allergens, both > food allergens and pollen allergens. > > 9. Probiotics produce natural antibiotics > (acidophilus produces antibiotic acidophilin) and > can reduce or prevent infections in the gut. > Probiotics are commonly prescribed now to prevent or > treat Clostridium difficile bacterial infection, a > common complication of antibiotic therapy. > > 10. Probiotics reduce, prevent and/or heal leaky > gut. They enhance the gut barrier function. > > 11. Probiotics have been shown to reduce the > toxicity of gluten. Studies have shown a benefit of > probiotic bacteria that are added to gluten > containing breads. They may be especially beneficial > in those with Celiac disease, potentially protecting > against cross-contamination exposure. Probiotics may > help heal leaky gut caused by gluten even in those > without Celiac disease. > > 12. Daily there is new evidence of the health > benefits of probiotics and/or new diseases being > linked to altered gut flora (dysbiosis). Just a few > diseases or conditions linked to altered gut flora > or benefited by taking probiotics include dental > cavities, Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, > Celiac disease, diabetes, heart disease, allergies, > intestinal infections, yeast infections (especially > vaginal), colds and respiratory infections, > rheumatologic conditions, multiple sclerosis, autism > and cancer. > > > > > > > > > From: donnaaron@... > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:33:45 +0000 > Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad > days > > > > > > > The diet is driving me nuts too. No more graham > crackers, no more > cinnamon (which was probably the most devastating > loss, next to Rice > Dream...) > > This was so much easier when we started 6 years ago! > > Donna > > > > Dr G eliminated graham flour for us. No more > graham crackers. Boo Hoo! > > The diet is absolutely driving me nuts. I have > only been able to get > the > > eosinophils to 2 one time. And I'm not sure why > they were down that > time > > because I have not changed his basic diet. He > occasionally gets > > offending items when we eat out. So maybe we > hadn't eaten out quite a > > bit before the blood test. I don't know anymore. I > know it is so > > important but we have been at it for 7 years now > and have had so much > > eliminated. I can't bear to eliminate anything > else from my 12 year old > > in puberty son who has basically had it with " I'm > sorry you can't have > > that " Cuss words are so funny to him and I can > hear him under his > breath > > saying " bleep you " He actually does the censored > sound instead of > saying > > the word. THis is probably all good in terms of he > becoming himself but > > not so good in that he is way too frustrated with > this diet. Jerri > > > > > > Hey - > > > I answered yes on soy problems before, and just > wanted to second what > > > other people have already mentioned. Soybean oil > is fine because it > > > does not have the protein. Soy lecithen is the > worst, as well as > > > hydrolyzed soy and other soy-type ingredients > other than oil. There > > > is another name for a soy ingredient too that I > can't remember that > > > you might find in some packaged broths that > you'd want to watch out > > > for as well. Some kids who react to soy also > react to malted barley > > > (in a lot of cereal), but one thing at a time! > lol. (And I don't > think > > > it is with as much irritability). > > > > > > One positive on the soy reactions: other than > major mood problems, > > > the reactions (in my son's case at least) do not > appear to be the > type > > > that sets your kid back on the road to recovery > (the way other > > > allergens like milk and berries etc can). Maybe > it's not an immune > > > response, because my son can still make the > cognitive gains despite > > > the misery the reaction brings to daily life. He > is in a rotten mood > > > this afternoon, and I think it's because his > grandmother gave him > > > chocolate chips this morning - full of soy > lecithen. > > > > > > You'll also find that some things that have soy > aren't as bad as > > > others (although initially I'd keep the diet > clean). For instance, > > > the graham crackers my son eats has soy lecithen > but he can eat them > > > almost every day and be fine, and he can have > some cookies that have > > > it rather often but still be ok. But chocolate > products and tv > > > dinners, etc... those will set him off a lot > worse. Maybe it's the > > > amount. > > > > === message truncated === May the Lord bless you and keep you! Visit my blog http://bloominwhereyourplanted.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 How much probiotics are you giving daily? JR From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Hankinson Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: RE: probiotics I have used high quality probiotics for my daughter to no avail. I have not seen her food allergies decreased. Her food allergies seemed to get worse after we took care of the virus/yeast overload! - --- <jrodrig6605@... <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > wrote: > > I strongly believe that our children will suffer > from food allergies until their digestive system is > completely healed. > > > > I have been giving my son high dose probiotics for > the last year with the hopes of healing his > digestive system. In the past his behavior and mood > used to deteriorate when we gave him bread or milk > products. Now he can have bread and we can give > him milk products more often, chocolate cake, ice > cream, etc and it doesn't affect him. Dr. G ordered > a food allergy test because he thinks my son's food > allergies might be reduced. > > > > I believe my son's digestive system is doing better > and we are waiting for his food allergies test > results which are coming in the next 4-6 weeks > because of the high dose probiotics we are giving > him. > > > > I also believe that 10-30 billion/CFU of probiotics > daily won't help to heal the digestive system. If > we want to heal our children's digestive system we > need to give them much more than that. I am giving > my son 250 billion/CFU per day. > > > > Below is a page I found explaining how probiotics > can help heal the digestive system. > > > > Thanks, > JR > > > > > http://stanford.wellsphere.com/digestive-health-article/probiotics-and-their -benefit-to-your-health/529170 > > > > > 7. Probiotics decrease inflammation in the gut, can > help provide nutrition needed for healthy gut lining > cells,synthesize vitamins such as the B vitamins > biotin and folate, and can break down certain cancer > causing chemicals (carcinogens) in our diet. > > 8. Probiotics decrease responses to allergens, both > food allergens and pollen allergens. > > 9. Probiotics produce natural antibiotics > (acidophilus produces antibiotic acidophilin) and > can reduce or prevent infections in the gut. > Probiotics are commonly prescribed now to prevent or > treat Clostridium difficile bacterial infection, a > common complication of antibiotic therapy. > > 10. Probiotics reduce, prevent and/or heal leaky > gut. They enhance the gut barrier function. > > 11. Probiotics have been shown to reduce the > toxicity of gluten. Studies have shown a benefit of > probiotic bacteria that are added to gluten > containing breads. They may be especially beneficial > in those with Celiac disease, potentially protecting > against cross-contamination exposure. Probiotics may > help heal leaky gut caused by gluten even in those > without Celiac disease. > > 12. Daily there is new evidence of the health > benefits of probiotics and/or new diseases being > linked to altered gut flora (dysbiosis). Just a few > diseases or conditions linked to altered gut flora > or benefited by taking probiotics include dental > cavities, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, > Celiac disease, diabetes, heart disease, allergies, > intestinal infections, yeast infections (especially > vaginal), colds and respiratory infections, > rheumatologic conditions, multiple sclerosis, autism > and cancer. > > > > > > > > <mailto:%40> > From: donnaaron@... <mailto:donnaaron%40sbcglobal.net> > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:33:45 +0000 > Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad > days > > > > > > > The diet is driving me nuts too. No more graham > crackers, no more > cinnamon (which was probably the most devastating > loss, next to Rice > Dream...) > > This was so much easier when we started 6 years ago! > > Donna > > > > Dr G eliminated graham flour for us. No more > graham crackers. Boo Hoo! > > The diet is absolutely driving me nuts. I have > only been able to get > the > > eosinophils to 2 one time. And I'm not sure why > they were down that > time > > because I have not changed his basic diet. He > occasionally gets > > offending items when we eat out. So maybe we > hadn't eaten out quite a > > bit before the blood test. I don't know anymore. I > know it is so > > important but we have been at it for 7 years now > and have had so much > > eliminated. I can't bear to eliminate anything > else from my 12 year old > > in puberty son who has basically had it with " I'm > sorry you can't have > > that " Cuss words are so funny to him and I can > hear him under his > breath > > saying " bleep you " He actually does the censored > sound instead of > saying > > the word. THis is probably all good in terms of he > becoming himself but > > not so good in that he is way too frustrated with > this diet. Jerri > > > > > > Hey - > > > I answered yes on soy problems before, and just > wanted to second what > > > other people have already mentioned. Soybean oil > is fine because it > > > does not have the protein. Soy lecithen is the > worst, as well as > > > hydrolyzed soy and other soy-type ingredients > other than oil. There > > > is another name for a soy ingredient too that I > can't remember that > > > you might find in some packaged broths that > you'd want to watch out > > > for as well. Some kids who react to soy also > react to malted barley > > > (in a lot of cereal), but one thing at a time! > lol. (And I don't > think > > > it is with as much irritability). > > > > > > One positive on the soy reactions: other than > major mood problems, > > > the reactions (in my son's case at least) do not > appear to be the > type > > > that sets your kid back on the road to recovery > (the way other > > > allergens like milk and berries etc can). Maybe > it's not an immune > > > response, because my son can still make the > cognitive gains despite > > > the misery the reaction brings to daily life. He > is in a rotten mood > > > this afternoon, and I think it's because his > grandmother gave him > > > chocolate chips this morning - full of soy > lecithen. > > > > > > You'll also find that some things that have soy > aren't as bad as > > > others (although initially I'd keep the diet > clean). For instance, > > > the graham crackers my son eats has soy lecithen > but he can eat them > > > almost every day and be fine, and he can have > some cookies that have > > > it rather often but still be ok. But chocolate > products and tv > > > dinners, etc... those will set him off a lot > worse. Maybe it's the > > > amount. > > > > === message truncated === May the Lord bless you and keep you! Visit my blog http://bloominwhereyourplanted.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I don't give so many because it gave my daughter gas, believe it or not. But Dr. recommends Kyodophilus. I am not sure how many is in that. I have used Natren before and that was really good, too. Probably the best, but it didn't take care of allergies. --- <jrodrig6605@...> wrote: > How much probiotics are you giving daily? > > > > JR > > > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > Hankinson > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM > > Subject: RE: probiotics > > > > > I have used high quality probiotics for my daughter > to > no avail. I have not seen her food allergies > decreased. > Her food allergies seemed to get worse after we took > care of the virus/yeast overload! > > - > > --- <jrodrig6605@... > <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > I strongly believe that our children will suffer > > from food allergies until their digestive system > is > > completely healed. > > > > > > > > I have been giving my son high dose probiotics for > > the last year with the hopes of healing his > > digestive system. In the past his behavior and > mood > > used to deteriorate when we gave him bread or milk > > products. Now he can have bread and we can give > > him milk products more often, chocolate cake, ice > > cream, etc and it doesn't affect him. Dr. G > ordered > > a food allergy test because he thinks my son's > food > > allergies might be reduced. > > > > > > > > I believe my son's digestive system is doing > better > > and we are waiting for his food allergies test > > results which are coming in the next 4-6 weeks > > because of the high dose probiotics we are giving > > him. > > > > > > > > I also believe that 10-30 billion/CFU of > probiotics > > daily won't help to heal the digestive system. If > > we want to heal our children's digestive system we > > need to give them much more than that. I am giving > > my son 250 billion/CFU per day. > > > > > > > > Below is a page I found explaining how probiotics > > can help heal the digestive system. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > http://stanford.wellsphere.com/digestive-health-article/probiotics-and-their > -benefit-to-your-health/529170 > > > > > > > > > > 7. Probiotics decrease inflammation in the gut, > can > > help provide nutrition needed for healthy gut > lining > > cells,synthesize vitamins such as the B vitamins > > biotin and folate, and can break down certain > cancer > > causing chemicals (carcinogens) in our diet. > > > > 8. Probiotics decrease responses to allergens, > both > > food allergens and pollen allergens. > > > > 9. Probiotics produce natural antibiotics > > (acidophilus produces antibiotic acidophilin) and > > can reduce or prevent infections in the gut. > > Probiotics are commonly prescribed now to prevent > or > > treat Clostridium difficile bacterial infection, a > > common complication of antibiotic therapy. > > > > 10. Probiotics reduce, prevent and/or heal leaky > > gut. They enhance the gut barrier function. > > > > 11. Probiotics have been shown to reduce the > > toxicity of gluten. Studies have shown a benefit > of > > probiotic bacteria that are added to gluten > > containing breads. They may be especially > beneficial > > in those with Celiac disease, potentially > protecting > > against cross-contamination exposure. Probiotics > may > > help heal leaky gut caused by gluten even in those > > without Celiac disease. > > > > 12. Daily there is new evidence of the health > > benefits of probiotics and/or new diseases being > > linked to altered gut flora (dysbiosis). Just a > few > > diseases or conditions linked to altered gut flora > > or benefited by taking probiotics include dental > > cavities, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, > > Celiac disease, diabetes, heart disease, > allergies, > > intestinal infections, yeast infections > (especially > > vaginal), colds and respiratory infections, > > rheumatologic conditions, multiple sclerosis, > autism > > and cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:%40> > > From: donnaaron@... > <mailto:donnaaron%40sbcglobal.net> > > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:33:45 +0000 > > Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad > > days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The diet is driving me nuts too. No more graham > > crackers, no more > > cinnamon (which was probably the most devastating > > loss, next to Rice > > Dream...) > > > > This was so much easier when we started 6 years > ago! > > > > Donna > > > > > > Dr G eliminated graham flour for us. No more > > graham crackers. Boo Hoo! > > > The diet is absolutely driving me nuts. I have > > only been able to get > > the > > > eosinophils to 2 one time. And I'm not sure why > > they were down that > > time > > > because I have not changed his basic diet. He > > occasionally gets > > > offending items when we eat out. So maybe we > > hadn't eaten out quite a > > > bit before the blood test. I don't know anymore. > I > > know it is so > > > important but we have been at it for 7 years now > > and have had so much > > > eliminated. I can't bear to eliminate anything > > else from my 12 year old > > > in puberty son who has basically had it with > " I'm > > sorry you can't have > > > that " Cuss words are so funny to him and I can > > hear him under his > > breath > > > saying " bleep you " He actually does the censored > > sound instead of > > saying > > > the word. THis is probably all good in terms of > he > === message truncated === May the Lord bless you and keep you! 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 A healthy human being has 100 trillion good bacterias in their digestive system. Most of those bacterias have been almost completely wiped out by the overuse of antibiotics and toxins in many of our children which leaves them exposed to viruses, yeast, causes leaky gut syndrome, malabsorption, etc. 1 trillion = 1,000 billion If you give your child 2- 15 billion probiotics per day which is what most of the probiotic products provide it will not be enough to replace the probably trillions of good bacterias killed by antibiotics or toxins. That is why many people think probiotics don't work. I have been giving my son 250 billion probiotics per day for the last year which is 1 trillion per four days, which is almost 100 trillion bacterias in 1 year. If you give 4 billion per day that would be 1.4 trillion bacterias in 1 year which is definitely not enough to help heal the digestive system. JR http://www.wellness.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=686 Unfortunately, when people take antibiotics (and many medications) it wipes out the good bacteria with the bad, leaving your body at risk for a number of future health problems. http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/probioticsforyeast.html Most probiotics for yeast infection treatment have anywhere from 500 million to 10 billion live cells at the time of manufacture. By the time you take them some of course have died. But what is ludicrous is the fact that you are taking such a small amount when you need to replace trillions. It's like going to a fire with a squirt gun. The fire quickly bounces back after you spray it with water much the same way candida does when you take weak or low dose bacterial products because the bacteria is quickly killed. How Many Bacteria Live in the Gut? http://www.typesofbacteria.co.uk/friendly-bacteria-digestive-system.html The best estimates put the actual number of bacterial cells in the digestive system at any one time at about 100 trillion (1014 cells). The number of individual species is thought to be somewhere between 300 and 1000. The majority probably belong to about 50 species. If you could remove all of the bacteria in one person's digestive system, the whole lot would probably weigh about 1 kg (2.2 lbs). More information about our digestive systems good bacteria count http://books.google.com/books?id=n9o5QSglXpQC <http://books.google.com/books?id=n9o5QSglXpQC & pg=PA37 & lpg=PA37 & dq=digestive +system+100+trillion & source=bl & ots=k9sh3CgGnO & sig=kRxoCwHswQHbJjz50jIpJXMYF0 E & hl=en & ei=ZN-tSeH4HZaitgfc_KWDBg & sa=X & oi=book_result & resnum=4 & ct=result> & pg=PA37 & lpg=PA37 & dq=digestive+system+100+trillion & source=bl & ots=k9sh3CgGnO & sig=kRxoCwHswQHbJjz50jIpJXMYF0E & hl=en & ei=ZN-tSeH4HZaitgfc_KWDBg & sa=X & oi=book _result & resnum=4 & ct=result From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Hankinson Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:47 PM Subject: RE: probiotics I don't give so many because it gave my daughter gas, believe it or not. But Dr. recommends Kyodophilus. I am not sure how many is in that. I have used Natren before and that was really good, too. Probably the best, but it didn't take care of allergies. --- <jrodrig6605@... <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > wrote: > How much probiotics are you giving daily? > > > > JR > > > > From: <mailto:%40> > [mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of > Hankinson > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM > <mailto:%40> > Subject: RE: probiotics > > > > > I have used high quality probiotics for my daughter > to > no avail. I have not seen her food allergies > decreased. > Her food allergies seemed to get worse after we took > care of the virus/yeast overload! > > - > > --- <jrodrig6605@... <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > I strongly believe that our children will suffer > > from food allergies until their digestive system > is > > completely healed. > > > > > > > > I have been giving my son high dose probiotics for > > the last year with the hopes of healing his > > digestive system. In the past his behavior and > mood > > used to deteriorate when we gave him bread or milk > > products. Now he can have bread and we can give > > him milk products more often, chocolate cake, ice > > cream, etc and it doesn't affect him. Dr. G > ordered > > a food allergy test because he thinks my son's > food > > allergies might be reduced. > > > > > > > > I believe my son's digestive system is doing > better > > and we are waiting for his food allergies test > > results which are coming in the next 4-6 weeks > > because of the high dose probiotics we are giving > > him. > > > > > > > > I also believe that 10-30 billion/CFU of > probiotics > > daily won't help to heal the digestive system. If > > we want to heal our children's digestive system we > > need to give them much more than that. I am giving > > my son 250 billion/CFU per day. > > > > > > > > Below is a page I found explaining how probiotics > > can help heal the digestive system. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > http://stanford.wellsphere.com/digestive-health-article/probiotics-and-their > -benefit-to-your-health/529170 > > > > > > > > > > 7. Probiotics decrease inflammation in the gut, > can > > help provide nutrition needed for healthy gut > lining > > cells,synthesize vitamins such as the B vitamins > > biotin and folate, and can break down certain > cancer > > causing chemicals (carcinogens) in our diet. > > > > 8. Probiotics decrease responses to allergens, > both > > food allergens and pollen allergens. > > > > 9. Probiotics produce natural antibiotics > > (acidophilus produces antibiotic acidophilin) and > > can reduce or prevent infections in the gut. > > Probiotics are commonly prescribed now to prevent > or > > treat Clostridium difficile bacterial infection, a > > common complication of antibiotic therapy. > > > > 10. Probiotics reduce, prevent and/or heal leaky > > gut. They enhance the gut barrier function. > > > > 11. Probiotics have been shown to reduce the > > toxicity of gluten. Studies have shown a benefit > of > > probiotic bacteria that are added to gluten > > containing breads. They may be especially > beneficial > > in those with Celiac disease, potentially > protecting > > against cross-contamination exposure. Probiotics > may > > help heal leaky gut caused by gluten even in those > > without Celiac disease. > > > > 12. Daily there is new evidence of the health > > benefits of probiotics and/or new diseases being > > linked to altered gut flora (dysbiosis). Just a > few > > diseases or conditions linked to altered gut flora > > or benefited by taking probiotics include dental > > cavities, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, > > Celiac disease, diabetes, heart disease, > allergies, > > intestinal infections, yeast infections > (especially > > vaginal), colds and respiratory infections, > > rheumatologic conditions, multiple sclerosis, > autism > > and cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:%40> > <mailto:%40> > > From: donnaaron@... <mailto:donnaaron%40sbcglobal.net> > <mailto:donnaaron%40sbcglobal.net> > > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:33:45 +0000 > > Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad > > days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The diet is driving me nuts too. No more graham > > crackers, no more > > cinnamon (which was probably the most devastating > > loss, next to Rice > > Dream...) > > > > This was so much easier when we started 6 years > ago! > > > > Donna > > > > > > Dr G eliminated graham flour for us. No more > > graham crackers. Boo Hoo! > > > The diet is absolutely driving me nuts. I have > > only been able to get > > the > > > eosinophils to 2 one time. And I'm not sure why > > they were down that > > time > > > because I have not changed his basic diet. He > > occasionally gets > > > offending items when we eat out. So maybe we > > hadn't eaten out quite a > > > bit before the blood test. I don't know anymore. > I > > know it is so > > > important but we have been at it for 7 years now > > and have had so much > > > eliminated. I can't bear to eliminate anything > > else from my 12 year old > > > in puberty son who has basically had it with > " I'm > > sorry you can't have > > > that " Cuss words are so funny to him and I can > > hear him under his > > breath > > > saying " bleep you " He actually does the censored > > sound instead of > > saying > > > the word. THis is probably all good in terms of > he > === message truncated === May the Lord bless you and keep you! 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 What does Dr. G think about this? Have you asked him? --- <jrodrig6605@...> wrote: > A healthy human being has 100 trillion good > bacterias in their digestive > system. Most of those bacterias have been almost > completely wiped out by > the overuse of antibiotics and toxins in many of our > children which leaves > them exposed to viruses, yeast, causes leaky gut > syndrome, malabsorption, > etc. > > > > 1 trillion = 1,000 billion > > > > If you give your child 2- 15 billion probiotics per > day which is what most > of the probiotic products provide it will not be > enough to replace the > probably trillions of good bacterias killed by > antibiotics or toxins. > > > > That is why many people think probiotics don't work. > > > > I have been giving my son 250 billion probiotics per > day for the last year > which is 1 trillion per four days, which is almost > 100 trillion bacterias in > 1 year. > > > > If you give 4 billion per day that would be 1.4 > trillion bacterias in 1 year > which is definitely not enough to help heal the > digestive system. > > > > > > > > JR > > > > http://www.wellness.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=686 > > Unfortunately, when people take antibiotics (and > many medications) it wipes > out the good bacteria with the bad, leaving your > body at risk for a number > of future health problems. > > > > http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/probioticsforyeast.html > > Most probiotics for yeast infection treatment have > anywhere from 500 million > to 10 billion live cells at the time of manufacture. > By the time you take > them some of course have died. But what is ludicrous > is the fact that you > are taking such a small amount when you need to > replace trillions. It's like > going to a fire with a squirt gun. The fire quickly > bounces back after you > spray it with water much the same way candida does > when you take weak or low > dose bacterial products because the bacteria is > quickly killed. > > > > > > How Many Bacteria Live in the Gut? > http://www.typesofbacteria.co.uk/friendly-bacteria-digestive-system.html > > > > The best estimates put the actual number of > bacterial cells in the digestive > system at any one time at about 100 trillion (1014 > cells). The number of > individual species is thought to be somewhere > between 300 and 1000. The > majority probably belong to about 50 species. If you > could remove all of the > bacteria in one person's digestive system, the whole > lot would probably > weigh about 1 kg (2.2 lbs). > > > > > > > > More information about our digestive systems good > bacteria count > > http://books.google.com/books?id=n9o5QSglXpQC > <http://books.google.com/books?id=n9o5QSglXpQC & pg=PA37 & lpg=PA37 & dq=digestive > +system+100+trillion & source=bl & ots=k9sh3CgGnO & sig=kRxoCwHswQHbJjz50jIpJXMYF0 > E & hl=en & ei=ZN-tSeH4HZaitgfc_KWDBg & sa=X & oi=book_result & resnum=4 & ct=result> > & pg=PA37 & lpg=PA37 & dq=digestive+system+100+trillion & source=bl & ots=k9sh3CgGnO & > sig=kRxoCwHswQHbJjz50jIpJXMYF0E & hl=en & ei=ZN-tSeH4HZaitgfc_KWDBg & sa=X & oi=book > _result & resnum=4 & ct=result > > > > > > > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > Hankinson > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:47 PM > > Subject: RE: probiotics > > > > > I don't give so many because it gave my daughter > gas, > believe it or not. But Dr. recommends > Kyodophilus. I am not sure how many is in that. I > have used Natren before and that was really good, > too. > Probably the best, but it didn't take care of > allergies. > > --- <jrodrig6605@... > <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > How much probiotics are you giving daily? > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > From: > <mailto:%40> > > [mailto: > <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf > Of > > Hankinson > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM > > > <mailto:%40> > > Subject: RE: probiotics > > > > > > > > > > I have used high quality probiotics for my > daughter > > to > > no avail. I have not seen her food allergies > > decreased. > > Her food allergies seemed to get worse after we > took > > care of the virus/yeast overload! > > > > - > > > > --- <jrodrig6605@... > <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > > <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I strongly believe that our children will suffer > > > from food allergies until their digestive system > > is > > > completely healed. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been giving my son high dose probiotics > for > > > the last year with the hopes of healing his > > > digestive system. In the past his behavior and > > mood > > > used to deteriorate when we gave him bread or > milk > > > products. Now he can have bread and we can give > > > him milk products more often, chocolate cake, > ice > > > cream, etc and it doesn't affect him. Dr. G > === message truncated === May the Lord bless you and keep you! 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Oh and by the way thank you for taking the time to share your info... -Jen --- Hankinson <jlhank80@...> wrote: > > What does Dr. G think about this? Have you asked > him? > > > --- <jrodrig6605@...> wrote: > > > A healthy human being has 100 trillion good > > bacterias in their digestive > > system. Most of those bacterias have been almost > > completely wiped out by > > the overuse of antibiotics and toxins in many of > our > > children which leaves > > them exposed to viruses, yeast, causes leaky gut > > syndrome, malabsorption, > > etc. > > > > > > > > 1 trillion = 1,000 billion > > > > > > > > If you give your child 2- 15 billion probiotics > per > > day which is what most > > of the probiotic products provide it will not be > > enough to replace the > > probably trillions of good bacterias killed by > > antibiotics or toxins. > > > > > > > > That is why many people think probiotics don't > work. > > > > > > > > I have been giving my son 250 billion probiotics > per > > day for the last year > > which is 1 trillion per four days, which is almost > > 100 trillion bacterias in > > 1 year. > > > > > > > > If you give 4 billion per day that would be 1.4 > > trillion bacterias in 1 year > > which is definitely not enough to help heal the > > digestive system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > http://www.wellness.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=686 > > > > Unfortunately, when people take antibiotics (and > > many medications) it wipes > > out the good bacteria with the bad, leaving your > > body at risk for a number > > of future health problems. > > > > > > > > > http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/probioticsforyeast.html > > > > Most probiotics for yeast infection treatment have > > anywhere from 500 million > > to 10 billion live cells at the time of > manufacture. > > By the time you take > > them some of course have died. But what is > ludicrous > > is the fact that you > > are taking such a small amount when you need to > > replace trillions. It's like > > going to a fire with a squirt gun. The fire > quickly > > bounces back after you > > spray it with water much the same way candida does > > when you take weak or low > > dose bacterial products because the bacteria is > > quickly killed. > > > > > > > > > > > > How Many Bacteria Live in the Gut? > > > http://www.typesofbacteria.co.uk/friendly-bacteria-digestive-system.html > > > > > > > > The best estimates put the actual number of > > bacterial cells in the digestive > > system at any one time at about 100 trillion (1014 > > cells). The number of > > individual species is thought to be somewhere > > between 300 and 1000. The > > majority probably belong to about 50 species. If > you > > could remove all of the > > bacteria in one person's digestive system, the > whole > > lot would probably > > weigh about 1 kg (2.2 lbs). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More information about our digestive systems good > > bacteria count > > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=n9o5QSglXpQC > > > <http://books.google.com/books?id=n9o5QSglXpQC & pg=PA37 & lpg=PA37 & dq=digestive > > > +system+100+trillion & source=bl & ots=k9sh3CgGnO & sig=kRxoCwHswQHbJjz50jIpJXMYF0 > > > E & hl=en & ei=ZN-tSeH4HZaitgfc_KWDBg & sa=X & oi=book_result & resnum=4 & ct=result> > > > & pg=PA37 & lpg=PA37 & dq=digestive+system+100+trillion & source=bl & ots=k9sh3CgGnO & > > > sig=kRxoCwHswQHbJjz50jIpJXMYF0E & hl=en & ei=ZN-tSeH4HZaitgfc_KWDBg & sa=X & oi=book > > _result & resnum=4 & ct=result > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > > Hankinson > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:47 PM > > > > Subject: RE: probiotics > > > > > > > > > > I don't give so many because it gave my daughter > > gas, > > believe it or not. But Dr. recommends > > Kyodophilus. I am not sure how many is in that. I > > have used Natren before and that was really good, > > too. > > Probably the best, but it didn't take care of > > allergies. > > > > --- <jrodrig6605@... > > <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > How much probiotics are you giving daily? > > > > > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > <mailto:%40> > > > [mailto: > > <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf > > Of > > > Hankinson > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM > > > > > <mailto:%40> > > > Subject: RE: probiotics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have used high quality probiotics for my > > daughter > > > to > > > no avail. I have not seen her food allergies > > > decreased. > > > Her food allergies seemed to get worse after we > > took > > > care of the virus/yeast overload! > > > > > > - > === message truncated === May the Lord bless you and keep you! Visit my blog http://bloominwhereyourplanted.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Unfortunately, my experience has been that large amounts of probiotic supplementation can be very bad triggers for my OCD and sensory issues. Our immune systems are not necessarily responding to them appropriately, which is one of the reasons so many of us end up on kyodophilus. Heaven help some people who try culturelle and see their kids go into orbit. I do believe the lack of bacteria in our food over the last few decades contributes to so many of our chronic illnesses. Unfortunately, I've never succeeded in replacing them. I function much better on antibiotics than I do off. It's hard on me not being able to eat the culture-rich foods and feel like I'm doing something healthy w/probiotics - but they really knock me down and kick my butt over and over again. I'm very interested in trying fermented foods or lactic-acid processed foods (salami does me good energy wise but eventually sets my brain to racing and eventually messes up my stomach if I eat it too much), but since everything else I've tried has been more likely to set me off than help me, I'm just going to have to stick to the diet to the best of my ability (which hasn't been good enough lately). Just wanted to put out an alternate experince. Not everyone reacts negatively to probiotics - they can be very helpful - but just don't forget to watch out for negative responses that may not even start for 10-14 days later, when you've just about forgotten that you've added something new. HTH- ________________________________ From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 7:46:43 PM Subject: RE: probiotics I don't give so many because it gave my daughter gas, believe it or not. But Dr. recommends Kyodophilus. I am not sure how many is in that. I have used Natren before and that was really good, too. Probably the best, but it didn't take care of allergies. --- <jrodrig6605@ hotmail.com> wrote: > How much probiotics are you giving daily? > > > > JR > > > > From: groups (DOT) com > [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of > Hankinson > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM > groups (DOT) com > Subject: RE: probiotics > > > > > I have used high quality probiotics for my daughter > to > no avail. I have not seen her food allergies > decreased. > Her food allergies seemed to get worse after we took > care of the virus/yeast overload! > > - > > --- <jrodrig6605@ hotmail.com > <mailto:jrodrig6605 %40hotmail. com> > wrote: > > > > > I strongly believe that our children will suffer > > from food allergies until their digestive system > is > > completely healed. > > > > > > > > I have been giving my son high dose probiotics for > > the last year with the hopes of healing his > > digestive system. In the past his behavior and > mood > > used to deteriorate when we gave him bread or milk > > products. Now he can have bread and we can give > > him milk products more often, chocolate cake, ice > > cream, etc and it doesn't affect him. Dr. G > ordered > > a food allergy test because he thinks my son's > food > > allergies might be reduced. > > > > > > > > I believe my son's digestive system is doing > better > > and we are waiting for his food allergies test > > results which are coming in the next 4-6 weeks > > because of the high dose probiotics we are giving > > him. > > > > > > > > I also believe that 10-30 billion/CFU of > probiotics > > daily won't help to heal the digestive system. If > > we want to heal our children's digestive system we > > need to give them much more than that. I am giving > > my son 250 billion/CFU per day. > > > > > > > > Below is a page I found explaining how probiotics > > can help heal the digestive system. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > http://stanford. wellsphere. com/digestive- health-article/ probiotics- and-their > -benefit-to- your-health/ 529170 > > > > > > > > > > 7. Probiotics decrease inflammation in the gut, > can > > help provide nutrition needed for healthy gut > lining > > cells,synthesize vitamins such as the B vitamins > > biotin and folate, and can break down certain > cancer > > causing chemicals (carcinogens) in our diet. > > > > 8. Probiotics decrease responses to allergens, > both > > food allergens and pollen allergens. > > > > 9. Probiotics produce natural antibiotics > > (acidophilus produces antibiotic acidophilin) and > > can reduce or prevent infections in the gut. > > Probiotics are commonly prescribed now to prevent > or > > treat Clostridium difficile bacterial infection, a > > common complication of antibiotic therapy. > > > > 10. Probiotics reduce, prevent and/or heal leaky > > gut. They enhance the gut barrier function. > > > > 11. Probiotics have been shown to reduce the > > toxicity of gluten. Studies have shown a benefit > of > > probiotic bacteria that are added to gluten > > containing breads. They may be especially > beneficial > > in those with Celiac disease, potentially > protecting > > against cross-contamination exposure. Probiotics > may > > help heal leaky gut caused by gluten even in those > > without Celiac disease. > > > > 12. Daily there is new evidence of the health > > benefits of probiotics and/or new diseases being > > linked to altered gut flora (dysbiosis). Just a > few > > diseases or conditions linked to altered gut flora > > or benefited by taking probiotics include dental > > cavities, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, > > Celiac disease, diabetes, heart disease, > allergies, > > intestinal infections, yeast infections > (especially > > vaginal), colds and respiratory infections, > > rheumatologic conditions, multiple sclerosis, > autism > > and cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups (DOT) com > <mailto:% 40groups. com> > > From: donnaaron@sbcglobal .net > <mailto:donnaaron% 40sbcglobal. net> > > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:33:45 +0000 > > Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad > > days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The diet is driving me nuts too. No more graham > > crackers, no more > > cinnamon (which was probably the most devastating > > loss, next to Rice > > Dream...) > > > > This was so much easier when we started 6 years > ago! > > > > Donna > > > > > > Dr G eliminated graham flour for us. No more > > graham crackers. Boo Hoo! > > > The diet is absolutely driving me nuts. I have > > only been able to get > > the > > > eosinophils to 2 one time. And I'm not sure why > > they were down that > > time > > > because I have not changed his basic diet. He > > occasionally gets > > > offending items when we eat out. So maybe we > > hadn't eaten out quite a > > > bit before the blood test. I don't know anymore. > I > > know it is so > > > important but we have been at it for 7 years now > > and have had so much > > > eliminated. I can't bear to eliminate anything > > else from my 12 year old > > > in puberty son who has basically had it with > " I'm > > sorry you can't have > > > that " Cuss words are so funny to him and I can > > hear him under his > > breath > > > saying " bleep you " He actually does the censored > > sound instead of > > saying > > > the word. THis is probably all good in terms of > he > === message truncated === May the Lord bless you and keep you! 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 The following article explains why restoring the good bacteria is essential in healing our digestive systems. http://edshealthtips.com/healing-food-allergies-and-leaky-gut-syndrome/ I would have to agree with the gas problem, because my wife complained about it too when she first started taking them. Below is some information about the gas side effect. Google Search for " probiotics gas " http://www.google.com/search?hl=en <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & q=probiotics+gas & aq=f & oq> & q=probiotics+gas & aq=f & oq= 1. http://www.bodyandfitness.com/Information/Health/Research/friendly.htm The gas and bloating you may feel during the initial phase of probiotic therapy is normal, and is the only effect of probiotic supplement use that can really be considered a side effect. It is caused by the breakdown of the harmful bacteria and fermentation of the good. If gas or bloating are particularly unpleasant, reduce the amount of probiotics you are taking and slowly build up to the recommended dosage. This should make your digestive system more comfortable. 2. Start adding probiotics and prebiotics to your diet slowly. You may notice some intestinal gas, cramping or bloating at first. This is an indication that the " good " bacteria are growing and eliminating the " bad " bacteria. In a short period of time, the body will adjust and the side effects disappear. And if you keep feeding the gut guys, the benefits can last a lifetime. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: Re: probiotics Unfortunately, my experience has been that large amounts of probiotic supplementation can be very bad triggers for my OCD and sensory issues. Our immune systems are not necessarily responding to them appropriately, which is one of the reasons so many of us end up on kyodophilus. Heaven help some people who try culturelle and see their kids go into orbit. I do believe the lack of bacteria in our food over the last few decades contributes to so many of our chronic illnesses. Unfortunately, I've never succeeded in replacing them. I function much better on antibiotics than I do off. It's hard on me not being able to eat the culture-rich foods and feel like I'm doing something healthy w/probiotics - but they really knock me down and kick my butt over and over again. I'm very interested in trying fermented foods or lactic-acid processed foods (salami does me good energy wise but eventually sets my brain to racing and eventually messes up my stomach if I eat it too much), but since everything else I've tried has been more likely to set me off than help me, I'm just going to have to stick to the diet to the best of my ability (which hasn't been good enough lately). Just wanted to put out an alternate experince. Not everyone reacts negatively to probiotics - they can be very helpful - but just don't forget to watch out for negative responses that may not even start for 10-14 days later, when you've just about forgotten that you've added something new. HTH- ________________________________ From: Hankinson <jlhank80@... <mailto:jlhank80%40> > <mailto:%40> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 7:46:43 PM Subject: RE: probiotics I don't give so many because it gave my daughter gas, believe it or not. But Dr. recommends Kyodophilus. I am not sure how many is in that. I have used Natren before and that was really good, too. Probably the best, but it didn't take care of allergies. --- <jrodrig6605@ hotmail.com> wrote: > How much probiotics are you giving daily? > > > > JR > > > > From: groups (DOT) com > [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of > Hankinson > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM > groups (DOT) com > Subject: RE: probiotics > > > > > I have used high quality probiotics for my daughter > to > no avail. I have not seen her food allergies > decreased. > Her food allergies seemed to get worse after we took > care of the virus/yeast overload! > > - > > --- <jrodrig6605@ hotmail.com > <mailto:jrodrig6605 %40hotmail. com> > wrote: > > > > > I strongly believe that our children will suffer > > from food allergies until their digestive system > is > > completely healed. > > > > > > > > I have been giving my son high dose probiotics for > > the last year with the hopes of healing his > > digestive system. In the past his behavior and > mood > > used to deteriorate when we gave him bread or milk > > products. Now he can have bread and we can give > > him milk products more often, chocolate cake, ice > > cream, etc and it doesn't affect him. Dr. G > ordered > > a food allergy test because he thinks my son's > food > > allergies might be reduced. > > > > > > > > I believe my son's digestive system is doing > better > > and we are waiting for his food allergies test > > results which are coming in the next 4-6 weeks > > because of the high dose probiotics we are giving > > him. > > > > > > > > I also believe that 10-30 billion/CFU of > probiotics > > daily won't help to heal the digestive system. If > > we want to heal our children's digestive system we > > need to give them much more than that. I am giving > > my son 250 billion/CFU per day. > > > > > > > > Below is a page I found explaining how probiotics > > can help heal the digestive system. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > http://stanford. wellsphere. com/digestive- health-article/ probiotics- and-their > -benefit-to- your-health/ 529170 > > > > > > > > > > 7. Probiotics decrease inflammation in the gut, > can > > help provide nutrition needed for healthy gut > lining > > cells,synthesize vitamins such as the B vitamins > > biotin and folate, and can break down certain > cancer > > causing chemicals (carcinogens) in our diet. > > > > 8. Probiotics decrease responses to allergens, > both > > food allergens and pollen allergens. > > > > 9. Probiotics produce natural antibiotics > > (acidophilus produces antibiotic acidophilin) and > > can reduce or prevent infections in the gut. > > Probiotics are commonly prescribed now to prevent > or > > treat Clostridium difficile bacterial infection, a > > common complication of antibiotic therapy. > > > > 10. Probiotics reduce, prevent and/or heal leaky > > gut. They enhance the gut barrier function. > > > > 11. Probiotics have been shown to reduce the > > toxicity of gluten. Studies have shown a benefit > of > > probiotic bacteria that are added to gluten > > containing breads. They may be especially > beneficial > > in those with Celiac disease, potentially > protecting > > against cross-contamination exposure. Probiotics > may > > help heal leaky gut caused by gluten even in those > > without Celiac disease. > > > > 12. Daily there is new evidence of the health > > benefits of probiotics and/or new diseases being > > linked to altered gut flora (dysbiosis). Just a > few > > diseases or conditions linked to altered gut flora > > or benefited by taking probiotics include dental > > cavities, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, > > Celiac disease, diabetes, heart disease, > allergies, > > intestinal infections, yeast infections > (especially > > vaginal), colds and respiratory infections, > > rheumatologic conditions, multiple sclerosis, > autism > > and cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups (DOT) com > <mailto:% 40groups. com> > > From: donnaaron@sbcglobal .net > <mailto:donnaaron% 40sbcglobal. net> > > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:33:45 +0000 > > Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad > > days > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The diet is driving me nuts too. No more graham > > crackers, no more > > cinnamon (which was probably the most devastating > > loss, next to Rice > > Dream...) > > > > This was so much easier when we started 6 years > ago! > > > > Donna > > > > > > Dr G eliminated graham flour for us. No more > > graham crackers. Boo Hoo! > > > The diet is absolutely driving me nuts. I have > > only been able to get > > the > > > eosinophils to 2 one time. And I'm not sure why > > they were down that > > time > > > because I have not changed his basic diet. He > > occasionally gets > > > offending items when we eat out. So maybe we > > hadn't eaten out quite a > > > bit before the blood test. I don't know anymore. > I > > know it is so > > > important but we have been at it for 7 years now > > and have had so much > > > eliminated. I can't bear to eliminate anything > > else from my 12 year old > > > in puberty son who has basically had it with > " I'm > > sorry you can't have > > > that " Cuss words are so funny to him and I can > > hear him under his > > breath > > > saying " bleep you " He actually does the censored > > sound instead of > > saying > > > the word. THis is probably all good in terms of > he > === message truncated === May the Lord bless you and keep you! 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Dr. G hasn't said anything about it. I have been including the probiotics in the supplement section of the weekly update for the past year. I haven't talked to him about it, but I know he does recommend it for some of his patients. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Hankinson Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: RE: probiotics What does Dr. G think about this? Have you asked him? --- <jrodrig6605@... <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > wrote: > A healthy human being has 100 trillion good > bacterias in their digestive > system. Most of those bacterias have been almost > completely wiped out by > the overuse of antibiotics and toxins in many of our > children which leaves > them exposed to viruses, yeast, causes leaky gut > syndrome, malabsorption, > etc. > > > > 1 trillion = 1,000 billion > > > > If you give your child 2- 15 billion probiotics per > day which is what most > of the probiotic products provide it will not be > enough to replace the > probably trillions of good bacterias killed by > antibiotics or toxins. > > > > That is why many people think probiotics don't work. > > > > I have been giving my son 250 billion probiotics per > day for the last year > which is 1 trillion per four days, which is almost > 100 trillion bacterias in > 1 year. > > > > If you give 4 billion per day that would be 1.4 > trillion bacterias in 1 year > which is definitely not enough to help heal the > digestive system. > > > > > > > > JR > > > > http://www.wellness.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=686 > > Unfortunately, when people take antibiotics (and > many medications) it wipes > out the good bacteria with the bad, leaving your > body at risk for a number > of future health problems. > > > > http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/probioticsforyeast.html > > Most probiotics for yeast infection treatment have > anywhere from 500 million > to 10 billion live cells at the time of manufacture. > By the time you take > them some of course have died. But what is ludicrous > is the fact that you > are taking such a small amount when you need to > replace trillions. It's like > going to a fire with a squirt gun. The fire quickly > bounces back after you > spray it with water much the same way candida does > when you take weak or low > dose bacterial products because the bacteria is > quickly killed. > > > > > > How Many Bacteria Live in the Gut? > http://www.typesofbacteria.co.uk/friendly-bacteria-digestive-system.html > > > > The best estimates put the actual number of > bacterial cells in the digestive > system at any one time at about 100 trillion (1014 > cells). The number of > individual species is thought to be somewhere > between 300 and 1000. The > majority probably belong to about 50 species. If you > could remove all of the > bacteria in one person's digestive system, the whole > lot would probably > weigh about 1 kg (2.2 lbs). > > > > > > > > More information about our digestive systems good > bacteria count > > http://books.google.com/books?id=n9o5QSglXpQC > <http://books.google.com/books?id=n9o5QSglXpQC <http://books.google.com/books?id=n9o5QSglXpQC & pg=PA37 & lpg=PA37 & dq=digestive > & pg=PA37 & lpg=PA37 & dq=digestive > +system+100+trillion & source=bl & ots=k9sh3CgGnO & sig=kRxoCwHswQHbJjz50jIpJXMYF0 > E & hl=en & ei=ZN-tSeH4HZaitgfc_KWDBg & sa=X & oi=book_result & resnum=4 & ct=result> > & pg=PA37 & lpg=PA37 & dq=digestive+system+100+trillion & source=bl & ots=k9sh3CgGnO & > sig=kRxoCwHswQHbJjz50jIpJXMYF0E & hl=en & ei=ZN-tSeH4HZaitgfc_KWDBg & sa=X & oi=book > _result & resnum=4 & ct=result > > > > > > > > From: <mailto:%40> > [mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of > Hankinson > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:47 PM > <mailto:%40> > Subject: RE: probiotics > > > > > I don't give so many because it gave my daughter > gas, > believe it or not. But Dr. recommends > Kyodophilus. I am not sure how many is in that. I > have used Natren before and that was really good, > too. > Probably the best, but it didn't take care of > allergies. > > --- <jrodrig6605@... <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > How much probiotics are you giving daily? > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > From: <mailto:%40> > <mailto:%40> > > [mailto: <mailto:%40> > <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf > Of > > Hankinson > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM > > <mailto:%40> > <mailto:%40> > > Subject: RE: probiotics > > > > > > > > > > I have used high quality probiotics for my > daughter > > to > > no avail. I have not seen her food allergies > > decreased. > > Her food allergies seemed to get worse after we > took > > care of the virus/yeast overload! > > > > - > > > > --- <jrodrig6605@... <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > > <mailto:jrodrig6605%40hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I strongly believe that our children will suffer > > > from food allergies until their digestive system > > is > > > completely healed. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been giving my son high dose probiotics > for > > > the last year with the hopes of healing his > > > digestive system. In the past his behavior and > > mood > > > used to deteriorate when we gave him bread or > milk > > > products. Now he can have bread and we can give > > > him milk products more often, chocolate cake, > ice > > > cream, etc and it doesn't affect him. Dr. G > === message truncated === May the Lord bless you and keep you! 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Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 I would like to hear what brand probiotics people take with good results. I have been using Custom Probiotic, but not sure for the price they are helping much. There are alot out there to choose from, but a lot have FOS in them. With my yeast issues I can't do anything that would increase sugar in my system. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 my son is taking Progurt which contains human probiotic strains that can colonize the gut, his doc said that they have used it with remarkable results on about 10 of their most environmentally sensitive patients to date, a couple miracle cures, just from this probiotic, you can google and read about it. sue v >I would like to hear what brand probiotics people take with good >results. I have been using Custom Probiotic, but not sure for the price >they are helping much. There are alot out there to choose from, but a >lot have FOS in them. With my yeast issues I can't do anything that >would increase sugar in my system. Thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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