NAET

[Guest guest]

>>, Thanks for letting me know what you've heard about NAET. It could

be

a coincidence, or it could be that, as is true with many health problems,

when you peel the layers, other things which need to be dealt with appear.

But I have no idea whether there is a genuine problem - I have had none

myself, thankfully. Good luck with whatever is going on. Sandy<<

I want to clarify that the story about the boy who had allergies treated

with NAET and then he developed OCD symptoms was only one person's

experience. The NAET practitioner that treated could have been experienced

or the boy's development of OCD could have been coincidental. Also, almost

all of the stories I read about NAET were success stories. I don't know

much about NAET so I wouldn't recommend it or not recommend it to others. I

just know that after I read that story I totally was not interested in NAET

and didn't want to take a chance with it. I know someone who has OCD and I

would never wish it upon anybody. I'm glad NAET worked for you Sandy. I

just wanted to clarify for everyone else that just b/c I heard one negative

story about NAET doesn't mean my perception of it is the way NAET really is.

:-)

[Guest guest]

Just a note. We tried NAET for my 2 year olds food allergies. Yes,

I will try just about anything to help with the food allergy

nightmare we live with-- unfortunately for us it was not successful.

I don't disagree with the theory behind it but think that Donna

Eden's approach (found in her book called ENERGY MEDICINE) which is

similar to NEAT might be more helpful... it involves using

accupressure with the allergen in your energy field.

So that this is not entirely off topic, I actually have a question

that I thought this group at least would be receptive to since I

tried to discuss this with the parents of food allergic children

egroup and was told that the relation of food allergies and vaccines

is off topic (with a nice little reference that if you have questions

about vaccines to check the American Academy of Peds website... blah,

blah, blah). Are there any parents of children with food allergies

out there who NEVER had food allergies before getting vaccinated and

NOW have them? I sincerely believe 's allergies are due to the

shots and am not looking for something to blame, really, just it

seems and here is the question-- the foods that he is allergic to

just happen to be the foods I introduced the week after the shot...

ANyone else out there have the same experience? My exclusively

breastfed son has allergies to dairy, peas, lentils, mustard and

peanuts-- the last one he never ever even had but must have been

sensitized to me.

Ah, and if you are still with me... I have taken to a homoepath

to " clear the immunizations " -- anyone else try this with success?

Phyllis, is the " cure " for everyone different with respect

to " clearing the immunizations " ?

THanks.

Bari

--

[Guest guest]

>blah, blah). Are there any parents of children with food allergies

>out there who NEVER had food allergies before getting vaccinated and

>NOW have them? I sincerely believe 's allergies are due to the

>shots and am not looking for something to blame, really, just it

>seems and here is the question-- the foods that he is allergic to

>just happen to be the foods I introduced the week after the shot...

>ANyone else out there have the same experience? My exclusively

>breastfed son has allergies to dairy, peas, lentils, mustard and

>peanuts-- the last one he never ever even had but must have been

>sensitized to me.

>

>Ah, and if you are still with me... I have taken to a homoepath

>to " clear the immunizations " -- anyone else try this with success?

>Phyllis, is the " cure " for everyone different with respect

>to " clearing the immunizations " ?

>

>THanks.

>Bari

Bari,

As a person with food allergies, I have some thoughts on this

subject. (BTW, my parents understand fully the food allergy nightmare --

my diet was so restricted at age 2 my mother felt like she was starving

me.) First, there is a family history of allergies in my paternal line (my

uncle and some cousins). Second, I was a formula fed baby. I believe

that, more than anything, made my food allergies and other allergies worse

by irritating my digestive tract. I was supposed to be on the predigested

formula, but my parents were poor and could not afford it. Anyway, I also

got the suggested vaccinations on schedule as an infant 20-some years

ago. By the time I was two, major allergies included wheat, chocolate, and

dairy. While I still retain all the food allergies I had as a child, I

added shellfish when I was 12. I was previously able to eat it, and then

one day I went into anaphalactic shock after just a couple bites of

lobster. Even the smell causes problems for me, the fumes of cooking

shellfish can be toxic. In college, mushrooms were added, as was

mayonaisse. Now, I've always been allergic to mayonaise, but never had it

on my list because children are supposed to like mayo. I'd eaten mushrooms

with no problems before, but then had a bad reaction after eating a

portabello mushroom lasagna. The reaction was repeated when I had

mushrooms again to be sure.

I doubt that any of my childhood food allergies did not exist before my

vaccinations, due to being on formula. But I would say that my " late "

appearing allergies were not related to vaccinations because I didn't have

any at the times they showed up.

It probably is possible that vaccinations interfere with food digestion and

could cause allergies to other substances, but I'd look to genetic issues

first.

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

Hello. To detox children when they have been exposed to vaccinations

and/or radiation you can use Thurja. (I think that is how it is spelled)

Works to detox the body of any chemical damage. Used it when my 5 week old

son had to have an MRI.

Margaret White

blichtman@hot

mail.com Vaccinationsegroups

cc:

12/06/2000 Subject: Re: NAET

02:47 PM

Please

respond to

Vaccinations

Just a note. We tried NAET for my 2 year olds food allergies. Yes,

I will try just about anything to help with the food allergy

nightmare we live with-- unfortunately for us it was not successful.

I don't disagree with the theory behind it but think that Donna

Eden's approach (found in her book called ENERGY MEDICINE) which is

similar to NEAT might be more helpful... it involves using

accupressure with the allergen in your energy field.

So that this is not entirely off topic, I actually have a question

that I thought this group at least would be receptive to since I

tried to discuss this with the parents of food allergic children

egroup and was told that the relation of food allergies and vaccines

is off topic (with a nice little reference that if you have questions

about vaccines to check the American Academy of Peds website... blah,

blah, blah). Are there any parents of children with food allergies

out there who NEVER had food allergies before getting vaccinated and

NOW have them? I sincerely believe 's allergies are due to the

shots and am not looking for something to blame, really, just it

seems and here is the question-- the foods that he is allergic to

just happen to be the foods I introduced the week after the shot...

ANyone else out there have the same experience? My exclusively

breastfed son has allergies to dairy, peas, lentils, mustard and

peanuts-- the last one he never ever even had but must have been

sensitized to me.

Ah, and if you are still with me... I have taken to a homoepath

to " clear the immunizations " -- anyone else try this with success?

Phyllis, is the " cure " for everyone different with respect

to " clearing the immunizations " ?

THanks.

Bari

--

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/6/00 2:49:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, blichtman@... writes:

Are there any parents of children with food allergies out there who NEVER had food allergies before getting vaccinated and NOW have them?

With vaccinations starting at 8 weeks old and solids typically at 16, how can you even determine that fact?

Lynne B.

8/30/96 & 9/10/00

[Guest guest]

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~~ jacqui monroe, ny

Gretchen L wrote:

>

> Sandy, I'd love more info - feel free to send privately, links or

> articles! TIA!

>

> Namaste, Gretchen

> from Lexington, KY

> Mama to Maya (5), Rhythm Joy (2), and Isabel (3 mos)

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[Guest guest]

Hi Gloria -

I can''t believe that you asked about NAET! Yes, I have taken NAET treatments for some time (that in itself is a long story) and I have improved 50%. I am now getting to the items that I believe are truly causing my problems of fibro. They are immunizations and parasites.

NAET is a wonderful tool to get the body to respond to what it needs to respond to. I know several people, personally that have recovered from their conditions using NAET. In my opinion, the critical part is to find a practitioner that follows the protocol as it was taught. You can get results not following the protocol exactly, but you can also run into more problems.

I was actually fortunate enough to have taken the beginning course of NAET a month ago. I personally met Dr. Devi. She is wonderful. SHe is loving, willing to share her knowledge and truly concerned for all. She is actually finishing up her MD this year.

I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have.

LuAnn

[Guest guest]

Hi, I was just wondering what is NAET? I have never heard of it before... Is there a site where I can read about it?? Thanks

Peace,

Sherry

Hi Gloria - I can''t believe that you asked about NAET! Yes, I have taken NAET treatments for some time (that in itself is a long story) and I have improved 50%. I am now getting to the items that I believe are truly causing my problems of fibro. They are immunizations and parasites. NAET is a wonderful tool to get the body to respond to what it needs to respond to. I know several people, personally that have recovered from their conditions using NAET. In my opinion, the critical part is to find a practitioner that follows the protocol as it was taught. You can get results not following the protocol exactly, but you can also run into more problems. I was actually fortunate enough to have taken the beginning course of NAET a month ago. I personally met Dr. Devi. She is wonderful. SHe is loving, willing to share her knowledge and truly concerned for all. She is actually finishing up her MD this year. I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have. LuAnn To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry -

Naet can be read about at NAET.com. I would be happy to help where I can - like answering questions. There is so much about it that I don't know. But I am willing to help.

LuAnn

[Guest guest]

Hello Vickie and all,

I have received ALOT of benefit from NAET treatments, especially with my

food allergies and leaky gut syndrome. It has not been a cure for me, but

has been an excellent supplement to my traditional medical treatment. I am

not finished doing it, though, so I can't offer a final opinion on its

efficacy. Also, in addition to myself, my kids are off of their daily dose

of Zyrtec for environmental allergies, my son's lactose intolerance is

cured, and (I know this sounds amazing) my dog's food and inhalant allergies

have been alleviated (I treat her at home myself).

If anyone is interested in pursuing this, Dr. Nambudripad has added a new

twist to the treatment, and you might want to look for a practitioner

familiar with it. She's added a new vial to the protocol, called the BBF or

something like that, the body-balancing formula (that name might not be

exactly right, but it's close). Using the new vial along with whatever

you're being treated for at that time makes the treatments work better,

often with a shorter avoidance time post-treatment. Believe me, a 4 hour

avoidance is alot easier than a 25 hour avoidance, if you can do it.

(Sometimes the full 25 hours is still needed).

I find the technique relatively inexpensive compared to traditional

medicine, but not cheap by any means. My initial visit cost about $80.

Treatments are $35, $30 if 2 people in the family come together and $25 each

if three people in the family come together. That sounds like nothing, but

someone with a chronic illness could easily need a hundred treatments or

more over the course of a year or two. (In the beginning I was not strong

enough to do 2 treatments a week, now I can manage it). Hopefully the BBF

will reduce significantly the number of treatments I and others will need.

If you want to give it a try, commit to doing at least the basic 10 or 12

treatments (chicken/egg(protein), milk/calcium, vitamin C, B complex, sugar

mix, iron mix, vitamin A, mineral mix, salt mix, corn mix, grain mix,

yeast/candida mix) before you decide whether or not the technique works for

you. You might well not see results til you've finished with those (but you

might also see dramatic results right away).

I have talked to so many people in the Naet office who have had dramatic

changes in their lives because of this treatment, but like anything else on

this list, people's responses will vary. If anyone has any further questions

they should feel free to back channel me.

NAET

Hello,

Vickie/GA wrote:

>If anyone on this group has done the N.A.E.T. I would like for you to

>share with us. I am interested in knowing exactly what you do and

>how expensive it is.

[Guest guest]

Bob:

Thank you so very much for this information. I really appreciate it. I have

been thinking of doing NAET but have not been able to find a dr. in my area and

it is to far to drive to Altanta, GA. I have been doing the Guaifenesin

Protocol and I have gotten good results with the guai. I feel like I have other

problems that guai cannot handle. I am off of guai for now as I am on medical

leave while the dr. tries two new drugs on me. One is Wellbutrin SR for

depression and the other is Dalmane for sleeping. I do have to say since taking

these two I am sleeping all night and I have not done that for years. The last

few days I have felt like a new person. If I can find something to help me with

the fatigue I can handle the pain as it is not as bad as the fatigue. SInce

being on these two meds I am wondering if my fatigue was caused from not

sleeping all night. I would wake up every 2 hours and lots of times I could not

go back to sleep. By the middle of the week I would be so tired and hurt so bad

that I could not finish working the week out. So for now I am staying off of

guai and see how I do with this medicine. Vickie/GA

NAET

Hello,

Vickie/GA wrote:

>If anyone on this group has done the N.A.E.T. I would like for you to

>share with us. I am interested in knowing exactly what you do and

>how expensive it is.

I have been doing the NAET in one form or another for almost 2 years

now. The biggest problem with doing NAET is finding the right " NAET

practitioner " (Pr), because there are so many bad ones out there.

I thought it might be helpful to share what is supposed to happen in an

actual NAET session. (Even people who have been doing the NAET

for a while express concern that their treatments aren't being done as

they should be).

I went to a 2 & 1/2 hour lecture on the NAET several months back. The

NAET presentation was sponsored by a community group interested

in alternative health.

The speaker said he was authorized by Dr. Devi (the founder of NAET)

to train people to do NAET. He was also a trained JMT practitioner, and

a licensed acupuncturist as well. (Some of the JMT training showed up

in his demonstration of the NAET, which I have tried to omit here).

The demonstration went as follows:

First he had the patient take off her jewelry and wash her hands.

Next he had her lie on her back. He would proceed to do " muscle

response testing " (MRT) to get answers to questions about her

allergies. MRT is checking the body's responses to " yes " and

" no " questions. When he did the MRT, he had the patient hold her

arm straight up in the air, with the thumb pointing out to the side

of the hand, and the arm turned so that the thumb was pointing

towards the feet. When asking questions, he would then press

on the arm to see whether he got a strong or a weak response

(a yes or a no answer).

He first placed a vial (containing the energy signature for a suspected

allergen) in one of her hands, and MRT to see if she was allergic to the

contents of the vial. If not he would repeat this process until an allergy

was located. (The allergy found could very well be two or more items

that when combined cause the allergy response).

In the NAET, there are 3 levels of allergies: level 1 is physical; level

2 is chemical/nutritional; and level 3 is emotional. The level(s) of the

allergy is usually checked by having the patient do the " mudras " .

These are where the patient holds his/her thumb and index finger

together to check for a level one (physical) allergy; thumb and middle

finger together to check for a level 2 (chemical/nutritional) allergy;

and thumb and ring finger together to check for a level 3 (emotional)

allergy.

After finding an allergic reaction, the Pr had the patient roll over on

her stomach, still holding the allergen vial(s). (Here the patient will

hold the thumb and finger(s) together in the appropriate mudra(s)

during the treatment.)

The Pr then used a dual-headed acupressure tool up and down her

spine. (Some Pr's just use the bottom of the hand in a karate chop

motion for this). While he did this, he had the patient first breathe in

and hold it; then breathe out and hold it; then breathe in and out rapidly;

then breathe normally.

He then had the patient then roll over on her back. He MRT her again to

see if she was clear of the allergy. She was.

He then did acupuncture on the " gates " (acupuncture points - generally

there are 6 used: 2 on the hands, 2 on the arms, and 2 on the feet).

(Some Pr's, not trained in acupuncture, with simply rub the gates here).

Then he had the patient lie still, while still holding the allergen vial(s),

for 15 minutes afterwards.

After that, he MRT her again to see if she still was holding the treatment.

He then gave her instructions on what to avoid for the next 25 hours.

The NAET seems to focus, at first anyway, mostly on allergies to foods.

There is another form of NAET available called Bioset, where the focus

is more on the body (organs, etc.). Many people report better results

with the Bioset. Also the Bioset can deal with clearing many vials at

any one time.

I paid $40 a treatment for the NAET, and $70 a treatment for the Bioset.

I am now doing the JMT. I have completed 30 JMT treatments and

have possibly 2 or 3 more to go. (The estimated number of JMT

treatments for CFS is estimated at 15 to 30). I continue to do

NAET-type treatments on myself as well. For this I use a method

called TAT. (There is information on TAT available on the web).

In my opinion, anyone can do the NAET on themselves if they want

to, if first they have an idea of what the process is like, and can do

their own MRT.

I hope this was helpful.

Bob

[Guest guest]

Is NAET the same time of treatment that Doris Rapp talks about in " Is This

Your Child? " Anyone familiar with both?

M. in Michigan

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I haven't read Doris Rapp's book, so I don't know. Sandy

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REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

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WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: NAET

Is NAET the same time of treatment that Doris Rapp talks about in " Is This

Your Child? " Anyone familiar with both?

M. in Michigan

[Guest guest]

> Sorry, I haven't read Doris Rapp's book, so I don't know. Sandy

>

Doris Rapp's treatment consists of sublingual drops, or injections.

My son saw her about 11 yrs. ago. She might be doing things

differently now. NAET I understand has something to do with

acupuncture and other treatments along the same line. I believe they

have a website. You could try www.naet.com

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PROVIDED HERE

> IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED

AS

> REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT

TO BE

> CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION

> WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND

SHOULD BE

> MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE

PROVIDER.

>

>

>

>

> Re: NAET

>

>

> Is NAET the same time of treatment that Doris Rapp talks about

in " Is This

> Your Child? " Anyone familiar with both?

>

> M. in Michigan

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

- You saw Dr. Rapp in person!? Her book was amazing. It answered so

many questions. I think the only thing she was missing at the time was

figuring out the possible vaccine triggers for allergies. It has adjusted my

way of thinking?

Did your son have treatments? Did it help? I am very curious about this.

Thanks for the info!

M. in Michigan

[Guest guest]

Is there any way of finding an NAET practitioner via some national

organization? I've periodically asked (Phila, PA) and have come up

empty. Also could someone provide the terms the acronym stands for so

that just maybe I could find out a bit more about this therapy, which

from some of the recent posts I've begun to be interested in, being

myself so horridly sensitive and often intolerably sickened by other

means of treating bugs, allergies, and the immune system. And because as

I've stated my ME/CFS doc (though into alternative medicine as well as

Western medicine is not providing me with the needed clinical wisdom

and/or support and reliability I feel is essential to decent clinical

care, especially in areas that are experimental.

And what about cost, though that is only relevant if a good practictioner

could be found around these parts.

TIA,

Judith Wisdom

On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:44:21 EDT jseaton357@... writes:

In a message dated 8/3/01 3:14:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

> Hello,

> Has anyone had any experiences with NAET, good bad or useless?

> I have gone 3 times now and he claims to have found a virus in my

thymus.

> He treated me 2 days ago and said I will get really sick in a few days,

so

> far I feel the same as always, not great but not flu like.

>

> I'd like to know what others think of this?

>

If you read my post yesterday, NAET is included in my therapists

proprietary

protocol. She is using NAET and combining it with other things to get

better

results and claims all her CFS patients are healed. I myself got worse

before getting better and just in the last week I am now no longer so

exausted. I am not ready to work out yet but at least I'm not purely

exausted and that's relief. The one thing I don't like about traditional

NAET therapists is they might not clear you of something 100% but the

body

still tells you it's cleared b/c if it's more than 50% then it will tell

you

it's cleared. Also, traditional NAET therapy requires too many visits,

only

desensitizing you to one thing at a time. The way my Pr. does it you get

clearings for many things at once. This week I am on Neurotransmitters.

Next

week it is B Complex (where I'm supposed to finally see energy difference

according to my body). After all that it is time for mercury detox and

along

the way I'm try to purge candida. I also tried candida killing programs

in

the past and to no avail, but this Pr. again has her own unique program

of

killing them, slowly but surely. So far not only do I have a little more

energy but my skin is better as I have to only use hydrocortisone cream

once

every several days rather than every 2-3 days like I once did and my ring

worm is subsiding somewhat on its own.

- S

[Guest guest]

Judith,

I believe if you go to NAET.com there is a listing of practitioners.

The acronym stands for Nambudripad Allergy Elimination Technique. Dr. Devi

Nambudripad invented it. She has degrees in biochem (I think, a Ph.D.

anyway), chiropractic, accunpuncture and nursing. She almost died of

starvation growing up her food allergies were so severe, and she was

treating herself when she came across her unique combination of therapies.

I hope it helps you. It has helped me a lot, though it does take time to

show any effect. I think a good practitioner is important. You could go and

get a couple of treatments and talk to others in the waiting room if you

can't get recommendations any other way. I've heard amazing stories that

way--btw, I came to NAET not through the CFS community, but through all the

subcontractors who built my house a few years ago. These hard working

fellows would stand around and talk about what miracles NAET had performed

on them and their kids. It was quite an endorsement.

Dr. Devi has a new technique where you had a vial called BBF (body balancing

formula) to the other vials you are being treated for. It makes them more

efficacious and you need fewer treatments, so I would definitely look for

someone using it. You will need far fewer treatments.

My intake interview cost $60-70. My treatments cost $35 each, unless another

person from the family goes at the same time, when he drops the rate $5 for

us each.

As has indicated, some NAET people are combining the technique with

others, my guess is, with mixed results.

Re: NAET

Is there any way of finding an NAET practitioner via some national

organization? <snip>

TIA,

Judith Wisdom

[Guest guest]

Hi! Nil

They are referring to Kinesiology, which is muscle testing. The theory behind

it, is if you test strong, your body doesn't need whatever you are testing, if

it goes limp, you need it. Basically,

you ask a question, hold out your arm, and the test pushes on it. If it stays

strong, you're okay, if not, you need whatever you were asking.

You can also use a simple sway test. Ask yourself a question, if you sway

gently, you need whatever you asked for. If your knees buckle, or you just don't

move, the answer is a no. You can also

try and pull a circle formed by interlocking your thumb and first finger

together making two interlocking circles and try and pull them apart. Or someone

can try and push out your arm when it is

resting on your side.

A good self test is to ask a question that you know is true. I used 'do I love

my dogs', and then ask a question that you know is a no, and see how your body

sways/doesn'lt sway.

It's a great way to test whether or not to buy a certain supplement. Just go

into the store, hold it against your abdomen and ask, is this ________ good for

me. If you don't get a definite answer,

try rewording the question.

Works with people, too. Sometimes, you don't want to know.

Hope that helps.

Merle

>

> >

> > Could you please explain me what is the method of testing used for energy

> > level control. I do not know anything about NAET.

> > Thanks..

> > Nil

[Guest guest]

Ok,I understood it.Thanks

I have read about the method.

One futher question.

" In other

> words, after it's established that your basic life energy, chi, "

What is the method used to establish basic life energy?

Thanks..

Nil

RE: NAET

> Nil,

> What exactly do you mean by " energy level control " ? I'm not sure what

you're

> asking. NAET uses muscle testing to see what you're sensitive to. In other

> words, after it's established that your basic life energy, chi, whatever

you

> want to call it, is balanced, you hold an allergen in one hand. The

> pracitioner tests the strength of the other arm. If you are sensitive to

> what you are holding your energy will be going towards fending off the

> allergen, so to speak (this is all very vague when put in words but quite

> surprising and clear when put into practice) and your arm will be weak. If

> you are not sensitive, your arm will be strong.

>

> If that doesn't answer your question, feel free to write again.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok,I understood it.Thanks

I have read about the method.

One futher question.

" In other

> words, after it's established that your basic life energy, chi, "

What is the method used to establish basic life energy?

Thanks..

Nil

RE: NAET

> Nil,

> What exactly do you mean by " energy level control " ? I'm not sure what

you're

> asking. NAET uses muscle testing to see what you're sensitive to. In other

> words, after it's established that your basic life energy, chi, whatever

you

> want to call it, is balanced, you hold an allergen in one hand. The

> pracitioner tests the strength of the other arm. If you are sensitive to

> what you are holding your energy will be going towards fending off the

> allergen, so to speak (this is all very vague when put in words but quite

> surprising and clear when put into practice) and your arm will be weak. If

> you are not sensitive, your arm will be strong.

>

> If that doesn't answer your question, feel free to write again.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nil,

The practitioner muscle tests your arm while touching a spot between your

eyes and up a bit on the forehead. If you're balanced, the arm should be

strong. Then he/she touches the same spot with the back of her fingertips.

The arm should be weak. Then she tests the arm while your thumb holds the

pinkie's nail, forming a nice circle. The arm should be strong. Finally, she

tests the arm while your thumb touches your pinkie's fingertip, making a

kind of pointy circle. Again, the arm should be weak. If you are out of

balance, they can usually rebalance you in the office, sometimes just by

giving you a drink of water. On occasion I understand a person needs a

chiropractic treatment.

Re: NAET

Ok,I understood it.Thanks

I have read about the method.

One futher question.

" In other

> words, after it's established that your basic life energy, chi, "

What is the method used to establish basic life energy?

Thanks..

Nil

RE: NAET

> Nil,

> What exactly do you mean by " energy level control " ? I'm not sure what

you're

> asking. NAET uses muscle testing to see what you're sensitive to. In other

> words, after it's established that your basic life energy, chi, whatever

you

> want to call it, is balanced, you hold an allergen in one hand. The

> pracitioner tests the strength of the other arm. If you are sensitive to

> what you are holding your energy will be going towards fending off the

> allergen, so to speak (this is all very vague when put in words but quite

> surprising and clear when put into practice) and your arm will be weak. If

> you are not sensitive, your arm will be strong.

>

> If that doesn't answer your question, feel free to write again.

>

>

>

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Rosemary (and gang -)

I read the post by Rosemary - thanks for the information.

The entire technique is bizzare, I agree - but for my case and the case of my

daughter it HAS worked!! There are people on this board that know me personally

where I was 2 1/2 years ago and know me now. I no longer take minocin! I take

nothing but a good multi. And for the most part, I feel GREAT!

As we all know, one process does not work for EVERYBODY!

I have nothing to gain from sharing my experience. I do not practice NAET for

money.

My daughter is in month 7 of leukemia treatment. I do not believe that NAET

would cure her leukemia. However, getting rid of the drug and food sensitivies

lightens the load on the immune system. Children's Hospital of SEattle has

asked me what alternative treatment I am using on Hannah. (Even though I shared

the book with them early on and got their permission to use NAET along with her

chemotherapy). But now they wonder why she has had very minimal side effects of

the chemo. When one is on chemo, you take as many drugs for the side effects of

chemo as you do chemo. We do not! We take no side effect drugs and I believe

this is a result of PRAYER and using NAET on my little one. In fact, I know it

is.

Life is not just one answer, it is a balance.

So, why knock it just because it didn't work for you? It may be the answer for

others.

By the way, Dr. Nambudripad will graduate with her MD in March of this year.

She is very educated, compassionate and such a lovely woman. She has helped me

for FREE on treating Hannah for her leukemia. I am one that is grateful for

NAET!

Gang - just educate yourself and do what works for you.

Have a great day,

Anne

[Guest guest]

Hi Rosemary! Geoff here.

It seems that often in the medical community, as in others, people take up

arms over misunderstood or misinterpreted terms. Hahnemann

(1755-1843) used the word, " miasma, " to describe what he felt was the first

indicator of a serious " imbalance " in the body which would later present as

a serious, chronic and apparently incurable disease. His peers, who believed

deeply in bleeding, speed-saw techniques for amputating everything,

ingestion of coal tars, mercury, etc., decried him as a quack and said to

think that ailments were in some way associated with what they called " the

itch " was ludicrous on its face. That was in the 1700's.

Today we know that treatments which do NOT attack the cause itself but

instead suppress symptoms being presented, actually drive illness deeper

into the body to more vital organ systems and thus end up making the person

more ill sometimes years later. An example: continuous dosing with antacids

and declaring the allopathic stand-by, it's all in your head (stress), when

a cure is not " imminent. "

What happens?

Digestion suffers, the host weakens systemically, the ulcers worsen, the

intestines and stomach perforate and the host dies not because of stress but

of an infection by H. Pylori... an issue decried by allopaths previously as

" quackery. "

Hahnemann was not an idiot, he was roughly 150 years ahead of his

time in the Anglo-European theater of medical care; but from the Asian

perspective he was simply complimentary and trying hard to catch up with

them.

Hahnemann, for those who don't know, was the founder of Homeopathy.

> I know many of you don't agree with Barrett, but please read

> the article and see if it makes sense. I certainly found this to be

> true from personal experience.

re: NAET (http://www.naet.com/ & http://www.biomeridian.com)

> Barrett, M.D.

>

> NAET is a bizarre system of diagnosis and treatment based on the

> notion that allergies are caused by " energy blockage " that can be

> diagnosed with muscle-testing and permanently cured with acupressure

> and/or acupuncture treatments.

This is a pre-prejudiced misstatement on the part of Dr. Barrett. Point one:

The human organism, as all living things, exhibits certain flows of

electrical energy which until the 1930's were not measurable by any sort of

" machinery " and thus existed in well-thought out theory only, declared

" quackery " by Western allopathic medicine. In the 1930's the technology

became available to " objectively " measure what many people had known existed

for millenia... that there are areas of the body where energy (electricty in

microcurrents) is present, and other areas of the body where it actually

" flows " akin to how it moves along electrical wiring -- though on a quite a

different level of course.

In healthy people, these flows can be measured at certain " average " levels.

When these same people become ill, both the level (quantity) of energy

measured drops, and the current directions CHANGE. These changes can be

attributed to redirection of the energy to places of illness by the body as

part of the immune response; They can also be attributed to " blocks " in the

flow which force the energy to be routed in a direction it would not

normally take. One might see this in simplified form by witnessing " heat " (a

form of energy) at the site of an infection but not present just inches away

on the same limb or even the same general area.

A classic example of changes in energy flow of this nature arises in cases

of amuptation. For instance, a person who has lost the 4th finger of the

right hand will have the flow " interrupted " and " rerouted " due to that

amputation. However, it takes some time for the body adjust to this and

through specific photogrqaphy techniques, specifically Kirellian

photography, photographuc plates reveal these energy flows attempting to

maintain their old pathways and evidence of the missing digit will be

revealed on the exposure of the film.

> Its developer, Devi S. Nambudripad, DC, LAc, RN, PhD, is described

> on her Web site as an acupuncturist, chiropractor, kinesiologist,

> and registered nurse who practices in Buena Park, California. The

> site's " Doctor Locator " database lists 776 practitioners in the

> United States, most of whom are chiropractors or acupuncturists.

And thus our good doctor reveals his personal, professional, prejudices that

licensed Chiropractors, etc., are not true health care providers... only

Allopaths are.

To me, that is professional arrogance speaking from ignorance... but then,

that is " my " prejudice speaking against the prejudice " I perceive. "

> Nambudripad also runs Nambutripad's Allergy Research Foundation

> (N.A.R.F), which sends members a bimonthly newsletter for an annual

> subscription fee of $36.

Here a " poor " Doctor casts aspersions on newsletter subscriptions. The stone

is cast from within a glass house. The countless perks, classes in Med

School on running a profitable Allopathy business, continuing education

credits for same, limited partnerships in X-ray machinery, CAT Scan

machinery, MRI's, lab's etc., is the same.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

> Dubious History

Allopathy's history is not exactly glorious, lest we forget it's inhumane,

banal and disgusting past which even today looking back only 50 years makes

many of us cringe... especially as we suffer the misfortunes of having been

subjected to their lunacies. Just how many rads are necessary to expose

X-Ray film? Anyone voting for MORE MERCURY in their amalgams these days;

what about their vaccines? Know anyone with allergies to phenols, food

coloring, additives, etc?

> During her chiropractic training, acupressure administered by a

> guest speaker helped her feel better and later advised her to

> eat nothing but broccoli and white rice. Then:

This seeming absurdity today is being proven... certain illnesses,

especially those associated with various protozoan infestations, respond

favorably to specific diets. Oatmeal is an excellent example... but modern

science has YET to discover why. This is but one reason why the major

pharmaceutical companies spend so much money on R & D, they are continually

trying to figure out exactly what componnet is working and why, then to make

a man-made version.

Why you might wisely ask?

Because the biologics per se are not patentable. They want PATENT MEDICINE

or they can't make money, at least not as much money as they want. So they

NEED the patents. How else will they be able to charge >$100USD per dose?

> After " eating rice and broccoli for three and a half years, " she

> suddenly felt better after an incident in which she had given herself

> acupuncture while in contact with some carrots. She then ate some

> carrots and found she was no longer allergic. She then reasoned that

> the carrots had been present in her electromagnetic field and that:

(snip)

> I have no way to determine what Nambudripad experienced, but I can say

> that her story not believable.

So what is the proble here, that the theory or result was happened upon by

accident? This is the way it works in the real word. Science, and scientific

research is like a cross-word puzzle, not a brick wall. It is not built

course-upon-course, it is built by happenstance.

The researcher who developed " post-its " did so by accident. The researcer

who developed artifical sweetner did so by accident. Does the " accident "

render the results untrue? Obviously not... or else we are all involved in

some sort of mass hallucination every time we press a post-it note into

service!

The prejudice fails to acknowledge even the " possibility, " so deep is the

prejudice engrained.

> a.. Taking " almost 30 aspirin a day " is likely to cause extremely

> severe side effects. The adult aspirin pill contains 5 grains (325 mg),

> so 30 would contain 9750 mg or 9.75 grams. Doses above 4 grams per

> day are likely to cause ringing in the ears, dizziness, increased

> breathing rate, and serious metabolic imbalances. High doses can also

> cause severe stomach upset and a tendency toward abnormal bleeding.

> Death has been reported from single doses of 10-30 grams [2].

Something most of us are very familiar with, on many drugs, not just

aspirin, from their misuse not so much by the consumer but by the

prescriber, the M.D.

> b.. Allergies occur to proteins, not to vitamins, minerals, or sugars.

> It is possible to be allergic to eggs, fish, and or milk, but the claim

> that she was allergic to vitamins A, C and B-complex (a total of 10 out

> of the body's 13 vitamins!), calcium, and sugars is absurd.

Perhaps... or perhaps " allergy " is a bad choice of words for adverse events

associated with common carriers such as corn starch, etc., for vitamins.

Many of us here have found that we must use not only hypoallergenic

supplements, but for some, specific sorts excluding a variety of things.

The doctor points out that " allergies " do not occur from sugars, yet people

who are lactose intolerant are not necessarily intolerant to milk protein

but the sugar itself. Many people in common conversation would simply say

they are " allergic, " as opposed to being unable to convert lactose to

hydrogen, oxygen, water, etc.

The Doctor would be on more solid ground attacking Nambuprad's use of the

English language. Of course if she were to write in a style pleasing to the

Doctor it is doubtful that her target audience would be able to read or

understand Web site, and thus " allergic " becomes an appropriate compromise

in terminology.

> Nambudripad describes NAET as an " innovative, completely natural method

> for regaining perfect health with complete and permanent freedom from

> allergies and diseases arising from allergies. " [4] She claims that

> " there is hardly a human disease or condition that may not involve an

> allergic factor " [1:3] and that " most of the causes of common illnesses,

> like headache, back aches, joint pains, addiction, PMS, indigestion,

> cough, body aches, and many more are, in fact, undiagnosed allergies. "

For me, this is over-reaching. I have personally witnessed numerous people

benefit from the use of NAET as a diagnostic tool and as a tool assistive to

prescription specifically through the use of the Biomeridian machines.

However, the only things seemingly permament in this life are, as they say,

death and taxes. People who present with specific ailments, embark on

measure to relieve themselves of the ailments and once relieved return to

their old habits will usually find themselves in the same place at some

future date.

Ex: An alcoholic who repents, then falls off the wagon.

> Science-based allergists define allergy as a reaction of the body's

> immune system that take place after the body becomes sensitized to a

> substance (allergen), usually a protein.

As I said - semantics versus compromises for general public consumption.

Interesting to note that the Doctor himself prints, " usually a protein. "

This of course necessarily includes the unstated words, " but not always a

protein. "

> An allergy is defined in terms of what a substance does to the energy

> flow in the body. Allergies are the result of energy imbalances in the

> body, leading to a diminished state of health in one or more organ

systems.

And thus finally we come to the crux of the Doctors discomfort with NAET, it

relies on a different (and decidedly more senior and more documented)

medical theory -- that of the Asian principal of " energy flows " (Chi) versus

" killing an invador " (Allopathy.)

Contrary to the Doctor's prejudice, these theories need not be in conflict,

they can be complimentary to one another. This is what we are seeing today,

the slow and painful emergence of health care practitioners who are

combining various fields of discipline to the benefit of the patient.

> Dubious Diagnosis and Treatment

> Although Nambudripad recommends taking a standard allergy history,

> her principal diagnostic method is muscle-testing in which substances

Here the Doctor and I ally, I too have a personal prejudice against " muscle

testing. " However, our reasons for being allied differ diametrically: I

observe that the muscles do indeed weaken however the use of another person

to interpret that is far too reliant on practitioner competency for me.

I will go for the Biomeridian machine any day beacsue it objectivly measures

changes in energy. It does not rely on another person to determine if there

is a perceptible difference in strength by " resisitive testing, " i.e.,

having one person press against another's arm and try to discern if the

pressure is the same, greater or less. The latter is just way to variable

for my taste.

> The idea that someone can be " deficient " by 20-30 thousand grams is

> even more absurd. That would be 44 to 66 pounds!

Agreed, this is either (a) a misprint which should have read 20-30 thousand

milligrams in the literature the doctor read, or it is indeed absurd on its

face.

> NAET clashes with the concepts of anatomy, physiology, pathology,

> physics, and allergy accepted by the scientific community.

(snip)

> Its core diagnostic approach -- muscle testing for " allergies " -- is

> senseless and is virtually certain to diagnose nonexistent problems.

This is simply not true. The disgnostics (energy flows) are consistant with

all of the above... the precise " scientific community " to which one is

referring is variable by state, locale, and trade prejudices, of course.

As to treatment methodoligies, there room for agreement & debate exist. NAET

as a diagnostic tool is sound. Treatment using NAET, just like treatment

based on X-Rays, is subject to the competency of the care-giver.

> I believe that practitioners who use NAET have such poor judgment that

> they should not be permitted to remain licensed.

This same prejudice dogged Dr. MacPhearson-Brown. It is simply the

outpouring of a closed, self-protective system fostered and indoctrinated

since about 1847 when the AMA was formed as a trade association for the

specific purpose of keeping its practioners in business and stopping the

proliferation of Homeopathy which was gaining in public acceptance at an

alarming rate due to its successes in various large-scale epidemics.

I'm sure others on the list will have different opinions from which you may

benefit:

Mark, for example, seems to be quite pro-Allopathy from his involvement

with the NIH and may chime-in with opposing comments for your consideration;

Harald has apparently had extensive personal experience with food

allergies and resolution of many health maladies related to same, as have

many others on the list. He may come in with some info from that

perspective;and

has quite the time with phenols (a non-proteinaceous chemical

allergen) which has nearly cost her life on numerous occasions. She may

contribute as well providing the pain of her Grandmother's death does not

preclude her involvement with the list at this time.

Even our founders may contribute to this issue, as they too have experiences

of benefit to the issue.

HTH

Geoff

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[Guest guest]

Anne,

Bravo for speaking up. I agree with you. And by the way I think

that the information from the Quakwatch people is just another

example of the medical people trying to convince people that we are

not capable of making intelligent decisions about our own health

without their help. Just a thought.

Esther

>

>

>

>

> Rosemary (and gang -)

>

> I read the post by Rosemary - thanks for the information.

>

> The entire technique is bizzare, I agree - but for my case and the

case of my daughter it HAS worked!! There are people on this board

that know me personally where I was 2 1/2 years ago and know me now.

I no longer take minocin! I take nothing but a good multi. And for

the most part, I feel GREAT!

>

> As we all know, one process does not work for EVERYBODY!

>

> I have nothing to gain from sharing my experience. I do not

practice NAET for money.

>

> My daughter is in month 7 of leukemia treatment. I do not believe

that NAET would cure her leukemia. However, getting rid of the drug

and food sensitivies lightens the load on the immune system.

Children's Hospital of SEattle has asked me what alternative

treatment I am using on Hannah. (Even though I shared the book with

them early on and got their permission to use NAET along with her

chemotherapy). But now they wonder why she has had very minimal side

effects of the chemo. When one is on chemo, you take as many drugs

for the side effects of chemo as you do chemo. We do not! We take

no side effect drugs and I believe this is a result of PRAYER and

using NAET on my little one. In fact, I know it is.

> Life is not just one answer, it is a balance.

> So, why knock it just because it didn't work for you? It may be

the answer for others.

>

> By the way, Dr. Nambudripad will graduate with her MD in March of

this year. She is very educated, compassionate and such a lovely

woman. She has helped me for FREE on treating Hannah for her

leukemia. I am one that is grateful for NAET!

>

> Gang - just educate yourself and do what works for you.

>

> Have a great day,

> Anne

[Guest guest]

rheumatic Re: NAET

> > b.. Allergies occur to proteins, not to vitamins, minerals, or sugars.

> > It is possible to be allergic to eggs, fish, and or milk, but the claim

> > that she was allergic to vitamins A, C and B-complex (a total of 10 out

> > of the body's 13 vitamins!), calcium, and sugars is absurd.

>

> Perhaps... or perhaps " allergy " is a bad choice of words for adverse

events

> associated with common carriers such as corn starch, etc., for vitamins.

> Many of us here have found that we must use not only hypoallergenic

> supplements, but for some, specific sorts excluding a variety of things.

My sister-in-law who is NOT into natural or different things is deathly

allergic to vitamin C. She cannot eat any fresh fruits or vegetables! she

almost died from them. So it is possible. I've wondered if it was the

pesticides etc on them but she says it is the vitamin C. She can eat them

cooked. The pesticides would still be there but the vitamin C would cook

out. so.....

Cari