Re: ShoeMaker is on TV tonight

[Guest guest]

How does one get to the network?

Barth

www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

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j> Watch Dr. Shoemaker on Mystery Diagnosis Wednesday, January 5, on the Oprah

Winfrey Network!

j> The show airs at 8 p.m. EST on the Oprah Winfrey Network. The episode will

feature Liana , who is featured in Chapter 14 of Dr. Shoemaker's new book,

Surviving Mold!

[Guest guest]

Check your local listings or call your cable network.

nne

>

> How does one get to the network?

>

> Barth

>

> www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

>

> SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

>

> ---

>

> j> Watch Dr. Shoemaker on Mystery Diagnosis Wednesday, January 5, on the Oprah

Winfrey Network!

>

> j> The show airs at 8 p.m. EST on the Oprah Winfrey Network. The episode will

feature Liana , who is featured in Chapter 14 of Dr. Shoemaker's new book,

Surviving Mold!

>

[Guest guest]

I missed it!!!!!! I'll have to keep looking. If anyone hears when it

will air again please let me know!!

Just finished watching it

Janet

[Guest guest]

Anyone else a little disappointed in the episode?

nne~

>

> Just finished watching it

> Janet

>

>

> In a message dated 1/5/2011 9:18:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> Roxygardens@... writes:

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>

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>

> Check your local listings or call your cable network.

>

> nne

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, it only focused on the aspergilloma.  Not on everything else it causes.

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: nne <Roxygardens@...>

Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 9:35:17 PM

Subject: [] Re: ShoeMaker is on TV tonight

 

Anyone else a little disappointed in the episode?

nne~

>

> Just finished watching it

> Janet

>

>

> In a message dated 1/5/2011 9:18:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> Roxygardens@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Check your local listings or call your cable network.

>

> nne

>

[Guest guest]

I have to say it was great top see a this story on TV and how they talked about

the cause and how uneducated the AMA is completely clueless on environmental

issues like fungi/

What was very disappointing is that her treating Dr who prescribed the

anti-fungals was never mentioned!!   Shoemaker never gives those..   It was

all Dr Gray, matter of fact the slides of her MRI showing the measurements were

Grays.   

I know that Shoemaker's new book chap 14 explains this  written by the Husband

and gives credit to Gray first. 

I truly believe in giving credit where credit is due.  Shoemaker needs to

humble his self.

K

From: Gingersnap1964@... <Gingersnap1964@...>

Subject: Re: [] Re: ShoeMaker is on TV tonight

Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 5:22 PM

Just finished watching it

Janet

In a message dated 1/5/2011 9:18:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Roxygardens@... writes:

Check your local listings or call your cable network.

nne

[Guest guest]

What else did you expect. In my professional opinion Dr. Gray is the best.

Re: [] Re: ShoeMaker is on TV tonight

I have to say it was great top see a this story on TV and how they talked

about the cause and how uneducated the AMA is completely clueless on

environmental issues like fungi/

What was very disappointing is that her treating Dr who prescribed the

anti-fungals was never mentioned!! Shoemaker never gives those.. It was all

Dr Gray, matter of fact the slides of her MRI showing the measurements were

Grays.

I know that Shoemaker's new book chap 14 explains this written by the Husband

and gives credit to Gray first.

I truly believe in giving credit where credit is due. Shoemaker needs to

humble his self.

K

[Guest guest]

It will be on again tommorrow  Feb 6 at  10:00 am Eastern time

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: " ssr3351@... " <ssr3351@...>

Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 10:42:41 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: ShoeMaker is on TV tonight

 

I missed it!!!!!! I'll have to keep looking. If anyone hears when it

will air again please let me know!!

Just finished watching it

Janet

[Guest guest]

I was surprised at the husband's statement that he could only find twelve

cases of aspergillosis being caused by a moldy buildings.

It is common knowledge that moldy buildings are bad for people with CF -

who frequently get aspergillosis and treating them with anti-fungals is

mainstream medicine these days.

Just locally, I know an employee of a foreclosure real estate company who

does trash outs, an employee of a lab who tests for mold, a roofer and a

house wife, who none were immunocompromised but got aspergillosis and were

treated with anti-fungals.

Half the chatboard members of the Aspergillus group are treated with

anti-fungals for aspergillosis. Many of them were not immunocompromised

prior.

Carol, who runs the board, has been on anti-fungals for about twenty years

to keep her ABPA in check. She is 70 years old and really healthy as long

as she stays on her anti-fungals.

I know of a case here in San Diego in which a house wife got a tumor at the

base of her spine in 2004/05 and the doctors wanted to operate. They

didn't on Marinkovich's advise cuz he said it would kill her when they released

the fungi in her body via surgery.

Instead, she was treated with anti-fungals and the tumor went away. Cedar

Sinai physicians were involved in that one. They were blown away at what

Marinkovich accomplished for this woman.

To me, there is no mystery diagnosis. The use of anti-fungals get rid of

fungus and help to prove location of causation of illness when the same

fungus up someone's nose is in the building where they spend a lot of time.

(If I go out in the sun and I get a sun burn, doesn't that prove that the

sun causes sun burn? If I am sick cuz I have fugus up my nose and the

building I work in has a lot of that fungus, doesn't that prove that breathing

a

lot of fungus makes you sick when you get it up your nose?)

The only mystery is, why does the US government allow the insurance

industry and their medical proponents who write policy, work to keep this stuff

under wraps?

Do they know something I don't know about the increase in fungal illnesses

and concern for resistance to antifungals and creation of super bugs,

should they be overused - just like antibiotics?

Don't forget the case of Dr. Sinaiko here in CA, who they took his

license for successfully treating children with brain fog via the use of

anti-fungals. He got it back, but I think he quit practicing medicine.

Emil Bardana, who is a prolific defensor for the insurance industry over

this issue, was the aggressor physician involved. _Retaliation Against

Sinaiko, M.D._ (http://www.allianceforpatientsafety.org/sinaiko.php)

Or don't forget Dr. Marinkovich getting sued for saying they don't let it

be known how easy this is to treat this stuff with anti-fungals cuz they

want to sell lots of allergy medications. Ha! I sure do miss him.!!!

In Tijuana, they sell a TON of Sporonox and people bring it back into the

US. You have to have a Mexican and a US prescription to do it.

In the US they are about $16 a pill and you need to take about four a day.

Mexico, $2 last time I checked.

So my question of that program last night would be, " Why the edit to a two

second statement of the treatment of anti-fungals saving her life and not

mentioned that Gray is the one who treats with anti-fungals? "

If you read Ritchie's new book, it specifically discusses this in detail.

Mike Gray is given complete credit for his involvement and his use of

anti-fungals in this woman's case.

Oprah creeps me out over this issue. She has been a defendant in a mold

lawsuit as I understand it.

Sharon

In a message dated 1/5/2011 11:09:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

toxicologist1@... writes:

What else did you expect. In my professional opinion Dr. Gray is the best.

Re: [] Re: ShoeMaker is on TV tonight

I have to say it was great top see a this story on TV and how they talked

about the cause and how uneducated the AMA is completely clueless on

environmental issues like fungi/

What was very disappointing is that her treating Dr who prescribed the

anti-fungals was never mentioned!! Shoemaker never gives those.. It was all Dr

Gray, matter of fact the slides of her MRI showing the measurements were

Grays.

I know that Shoemaker's new book chap 14 explains this written by the

Husband and gives credit to Gray first.

I truly believe in giving credit where credit is due. Shoemaker needs to

humble his self.

K

Sharon Noonan Kramer

[Guest guest]

We all know it's because they PAY them to write the policy to keep it all

under wraps so they don't have to admit it and then have to compensate the

thousands/millions/billions that are ill from sick buildings. Think of ALL

the of people that are sick from buildings that don't even know why they

are sick? It would be more like opening barrels of snakes than just cans

of worms!!! I know it will come in time ,but it will be way too late for

many and way too late for the billions of kids sitting in moldy schools all

day long!!! It is just disgusting and appalling and that's putting it

mildly!!

The only mystery is, why does the US government allow the insurance

industry and their medical proponents who write policy, work to keep this

stuff

under wraps?

[Guest guest]

Yes, because for some reason, OWN decided to edit out any mention of the word

MOLD! My Mom watched with me and we both agreed-no one will know what

aspergillius is.

But no, because thank god mold is finally getting some air time!

Surella

> >

> > Just finished watching it

> > Janet

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/5/2011 9:18:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > Roxygardens@ writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Check your local listings or call your cable network.

> >

> > nne

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Excellent post, Sue! I just posted basically the same thing (in toned

down terms) on the Mystery Diagnosis site. We'll see if the let it go thru.

In a message dated 1/6/2011 10:10:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

ssr3351@... writes:

We all know it's because they PAY them to write the policy to keep it all

under wraps so they don't have to admit it and then have to compensate the

thousands/millions/billions that are ill from sick buildings. Think of ALL

the of people that are sick from buildings that don't even know why they

are sick? It would be more like opening barrels of snakes than just cans

of worms!!! I know it will come in time ,but it will be way too late for

many and way too late for the billions of kids sitting in moldy schools

all

day long!!! It is just disgusting and appalling and that's putting it

mildly!!

The only mystery is, why does the US government allow the insurance

industry and their medical proponents who write policy, work to keep this

stuff

under wraps?

Sharon Noonan Kramer

[Guest guest]

Time flies Mayleen! Do you mean Jan 6th or will it be on again in February?

I'd have to 'get cable' to watch it since I turned it off. Digital tv w digital

antenna really gets alot of crisp clear channels for free but miss it when I

hear of something like this but it is so rare I have time to watch it.

If it is on again in Feb I might have it back by then.

>

> It will be on again tommorrow  Feb 6 at  10:00 am Eastern time

>  

>

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

[Guest guest]

It's hard w budgets.  All I can find online is the trailer, but everyone can get

a look.

http://www.oprah.com/own-mystery-diagnosis/mystery-diagnosis-video.html

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the trailor...so typical, the doctors sluffed off the nasal discharge

and didn't even want to see it. They aren't scientists! People who want to go

into medicine should be tested for apptitude in science at least. I know so

many doctors who don't seem to even understand biology and have no 'inquring

mind' about things concerning health, medicine or the like. You'd like people

who are interested in helping people to become doctors but in reality the

majority are attracted to the field bec of the high income and they have about

as much interest in people's health as a rock does. Same for other professions

too. My lawyer it became obvious was looking out more for himself to make money

than to rep me..not a mold issue but another matter. I won though in spite of

his inadequate help.

>

>

> It's hard w budgets.  All I can find online is the trailer, but everyone can

get a look.

>

> http://www.oprah.com/own-mystery-diagnosis/mystery-diagnosis-video.html

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's terrible. I think the reason is we're run by pharma. Would take a lot of

fighting.

We have to find out by accident about diet & anti-fungals. 

 <ssr3351@...>

:Re: [] Re: ShoeMaker is on TV tonight

We all know it's because they PAY them to write the policy to keep it all

under wraps so they don't have to admit it and then have to compensate the

thousands/millions/billions that are ill from sick buildings.

The only mystery is, why does the US government allow the insurance

industry and their medical proponents who write policy, work to keep this

stuff

under wraps?

[Guest guest]

The more the public becomes aware the better for all. Education is the

only answer even if it is just one person at a time!!! I just get so

frustrated when people don't want to even try to understand!! My own brother

says

it's all debatable!!! And he has some health issues that could possibly be

chemically or mold related but he doesn't want to listen. Just thinks I'm

lazy and irrational!!!

Excellent post, Sue! I just posted basically the same thing (in toned

down terms) on the Mystery Diagnosis site. We'll see if the let it go

thru.

We all know it's because they PAY them to write the policy to keep it all

under wraps so they don't have to admit it and then have to compensate the

thousands/millions/billions that are ill from sick buildings. Think of ALL

the of people that are sick from buildings that don't even know why they

are sick? It would be more like opening barrels of snakes than just cans

of worms!!! I know it will come in time ,but it will be way too late for

many and way too late for the billions of kids sitting in moldy schools

all day long!!! It is just disgusting and appalling and that's putting it

mildly!!

[Guest guest]

Thank God for her husband had the tenacity. Unfortunately it takes money out of

pocket.

A wonderful accomplishment to win your case. It's still good exposure to air

this to get the message out.

I think many doctor's want changes, but they can't take on the system alone.

My lawyer it became obvious was looking out more for himself to make money than

to rep me..not a mold issue but another matter. I won though in spite of his

inadequate help.

[Guest guest]

I do not have the channel with Oprahs show, is there a link to see the entire

thing? There are only bits of it on her web site, I would like to see the entire

segment. Thanks Diane

> >

> > Just finished watching it

> > Janet

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/5/2011 9:18:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > Roxygardens@ writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Check your local listings or call your cable network.

> >

> > nne

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh boy did i mess up this time. It was this morning.  Jan Feb March April  all

the same to me forgot it is not the same in real time LOL 

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: barb b w <barb1283@...>

Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 11:49:29 AM

Subject: [] Re: ShoeMaker is on TV tonight

 

Time flies Mayleen! Do you mean Jan 6th or will it be on again in February?

I'd have to 'get cable' to watch it since I turned it off. Digital tv w digital

antenna really gets alot of crisp clear channels for free but miss it when I

hear of something like this but it is so rare I have time to watch it.

If it is on again in Feb I might have it back by then.

>

> It will be on again tommorrow  Feb 6 at  10:00 am Eastern time

>  

>

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

[Guest guest]

can someone who watched it fill us in, this lady had aspergilliosis?

can anyone discribe the area where this was, deep in the sinus/brain area. she

was put on a antifungal nasal spray?

> > >

> > > Just finished watching it

> > > Janet

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 1/5/2011 9:18:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > > Roxygardens@ writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Check your local listings or call your cable network.

> > >

> > > nne

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Could this be the price of being an Industrialized Nation? Where

big industry is all that matters...

I hope not..

>

>

> The more the public becomes aware the better for all. Education is the

> only answer even if it is just one person at a time!!! I just get so

> frustrated when people don't want to even try to understand!! My own brother

says

> it's all debatable!!! And he has some health issues that could possibly be

> chemically or mold related but he doesn't want to listen. Just thinks I'm

> lazy and irrational!!!

>

> Excellent post, Sue! I just posted basically the same thing (in toned

> down terms) on the Mystery Diagnosis site. We'll see if the let it go

> thru.

>

> We all know it's because they PAY them to write the policy to keep it all

> under wraps so they don't have to admit it and then have to compensate the

> thousands/millions/billions that are ill from sick buildings. Think of ALL

> the of people that are sick from buildings that don't even know why they

> are sick? It would be more like opening barrels of snakes than just cans

> of worms!!! I know it will come in time ,but it will be way too late for

> many and way too late for the billions of kids sitting in moldy schools

> all day long!!! It is just disgusting and appalling and that's putting it

> mildly!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/6/2011 5:42:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

can someone who watched it fill us in, this lady had aspergilliosis?

can anyone discribe the area where this was, deep in the sinus/brain area.

she was put on a antifungal nasal spray?

Jeanine,

Yes. Will try to write in lay terms. May not get this all correct.

The fungus got deep into the sinuses in an area very close to the brain.

It colonized and began to grow into a fungal mass. As it outgrew the sinus

cavity, it began to push on her optic area, which caused her to go blind

in one eye. A dose of antibiotic that had antifungal properties, too,

before a surgery caused the mass to shrink some and she regained her eye sight

before surgery.

They did surgery, but only were able to take out about a quarter of the

mass. The poor woman spent a long time thinking she had cancer. But the

husband questioned why this conclusion was reached, when the tests did not

really indicate cancer.

One day, she blew some very odd stuff out of her nose. Her husband took

it to his lab and was able to tell it had biotoxin properties (he had done

research for the military).

That's when they found Ritchie who was able to confirm this is what was

happening. Hooper did some testing here, too. She needed to be treated for

the biotoxins, but first they had to get rid of the mold and stop it from

growing.

She went to Mike Gray, who put her on antifungal nasal sprays and the mass

shrunk. I think it went away. She was then treated with VIP by Ritchie

for the biotoxin illness.

The show discusses how the mainstream doctors were dismissive of the

husband, other than their GP. They were making diagnoses of cancer when the

testing really did not support this.

Had her husband not been a scientist who knew what to question, she

wouldn't be here today.

The sad thing is, had someone told them and mainstream physicians, that a

moldy building can cause the symptoms she was having, she could have been on

anti-fungal nasal spray from the beginning and this would have been no big

deal.

That is how I understand what happened. Could be off in some of my

understanding.

Sharon Noonan Kramer

[Guest guest]

thanks Sharon, my uncle was diagnosed with cancer in the brain, a mass, not sure

exactly where, mom said she thought they had said the spinal cord area, whats

bothering me is that when they attempted to remove it they couldn't get it all

because,basicly, it had roots that went into the brain. he has been through

chemo, twice, say's he wont do it again so is basicly waiting for it to kill

him.

when my mom first told me, hearing that it had rooted into his brain made me

wonder exactly what it is and how they concluded it was cancer. I'm trying to

get them to consider to see doctor Gray and get a second apinion. not a easy

thing to do. hardest is to get them to understand the conflicts of interest and

why a fungal sorce is not always looked at. they did a biopsy, but what they

tested for and how they desided it was cancer , I'm not sure. he doesn't live

close so I get second hand info. my mom is pretty smart, but getting up there in

age and my family is like most, trust in doctors knowing they are supposed to be

truthful honest and all knowing.

I tried to explain to her the pharma ties in medical science and

that sence the chemo isnt working that it should be worth a second opinion. to

me it seems that haveing something rooted into the brain

could be fungal.

>

>> Jeanine,

>

> Yes. Will try to write in lay terms. May not get this all correct.

>

> The fungus got deep into the sinuses in an area very close to the brain.

> It colonized and began to grow into a fungal mass. ...snip

[Guest guest]

I can. She had aspergillosis of the sphenoid sinus. She was tested by Dr.

Hooper for the fungus and mycotoxins and treated by Dr. Gray with antifungals.

Her husband, a microbiologist identified the mass as having fungal elements.

After a long course of treatment the aspergilloma did shrink and was no longer

identifiable in CAT scans and MRIs. I have seen read all of the medical

records.

----- Original Message -----

In a message dated 1/6/2011 5:42:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

can someone who watched it fill us in, this lady had aspergilliosis?

can anyone discribe the area where this was, deep in the sinus/brain area.

she was put on a antifungal nasal spray?