Re: Self-defeating actions [WAS: What can off gas and what c...

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I apologize. I haven't been following this thread but saw many wise words

in Carl's post. They could apply to many situation, metaphorically

speaking.

> Group,

>

> Most of the extreme harm is caused because we don't know to

> recognize a bad situation and then how to leave it when we do. In

> that sense perhaps we bring it on ourselves. I was guilty of this

> for over 40 years, staying in a bad situation in combination with

> medical issues I was equally unaware of. If we don't know any

> better it's not our fault and I don't think a higher level power is

> deliberately testing us. We are ignorant. Let's accept that fact

> instead of pushing the blame to something outside of us.

>

> But once we know and once we begin paying attention and learn

> and still don't take appropriate action then that is like staying in a

> burning building and protesting we can't afford to leave.

>

>>

> I cannot continue to complain if I stay in a water damaged

> building. I should not be advising others if I don't take care of

> myself. I cannot continue to blame someone else if I inspect a

> building which makes me sick. I should not be making

> recommendations to them if I don't follow my own advise.

>

>>

> Because this is a very lonely experience I encourage sharing our

> experiences. But the danger is, and this group is at that point, of

> getting so involved in finally finding others who understand that

> we put the sharing ahead of the facts that we need. We start

> trying to meet our needs based on what others need. There are

> some basics in common but most of the details are unique to you

> and only you.

>

>

> I apologize if my soap box rant has offended anyone but I see

> people leading people down the wrong path for the wrong

> reasons.

>

> Each of us must determine for ourselves what is true for ourself

> even if it is not true for anyone else in the entire universe. We

> each much select out of the complex mass of information (mostly

> mis-information) what we can understand and trust so we can

> each make better decisions for ourself.

>

> Then share your experience. Please!

>

> But don't assume that what worked for you will work for others.

> The one exception to that advise is if the exposure doesn't stop

> you cannot get well. If you can't remove the source of exposure

> from you then you must remove yourself from that exposure.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

In a message dated 8/13/2010 5:41:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

tigerpaw2c@... writes:

> Group,

>

> I'm going to take an non-religious position here, which many of

> you have already done. But I'm going one step further. And my

> rant may offend! So beware.

>

> Most of the extreme harm is caused because we don't know to

> recognize a bad situation and then how to leave it when we do. In

> that sense perhaps we bring it on ourselves. I was guilty of this

> for over 40 years, staying in a bad situation in combination with

> medical issues I was equally unaware of. If we don't know any

> better it's not our fault and I don't think a higher level power is

> deliberately testing us. We are ignorant. Let's accept that fact

> instead of pushing the blame to something outside of us.

>

> But once we know and once we begin paying attention and learn

> and still don't take appropriate action then that is like staying in a

> burning building and protesting we can't afford to leave. Besides,

> where's the doctor or insurance agent or other authority giving us

> permission to leave?

>

> If that situation we deserve what happens. I was guilty of that also

> until I got so sick I lost the house to foreclosure. That was a

> decision forced upon me by others but caused by my own

> stubborness and fear.

>

> What we bring on ourselves is the not paying attention to what is

> happening to US individually, irrespective of what happens to

> others. This is an extremely individual experience. What works

> for one could harm another, and conversely. Which is why it can

> be such a lonely experience.

>

> Not everyone gets ill from mold, bacteria, and the other " filth " in

> water damaged buildings. But it's not healthy for them to stay.

> They just react differently and not as strongly as we do.

>

> I cannot continue to complain if I stay in a water damaged

> building. I should not be advising others if I don't take care of

> myself. I cannot continue to blame someone else if I inspect a

> building which makes me sick. I should not be making

> recommendations to them if I don't follow my own advise.

>

> I can choose to leave. Yes, that's how I make my living but I still

> can choose which jobs I take and which I don't. I don't go with my

> colleagues, for example, to help out at Katrina or Nashville or

> Iowa because I know what it will do to me.

>

> Self determination is powerful and so energizing!

>

> Because this is a very lonely experience I encourage sharing our

> experiences. But the danger is, and this group is at that point, of

> getting so involved in finally finding others who understand that

> we put the sharing ahead of the facts that we need. We start

> trying to meet our needs based on what others need. There are

> some basics in common but most of the details are unique to you

> and only you.

>

> For example, much, but not all, of the recent conversation about

> cross-contamination treats it as if it is magical and the mere

> thought of mold fully contaminates everything around you forever

> and ever and it can never be fixed. Oh god I'm doomed! Cross-

> contaminaton can be extremely difficult but not to the extent

> many are discussing here. If we do reach that extreme point of

> harm, and many in this group have, we are reacting to so many

> different things that it can appear as if we are continuing to be

> reactive to cross-contamination of mold.

>

> As many of you know, the exposures from chemicals, cleaning

> products, and personal care products can be really confusing. If

> you are reacting to them in addition to the mold but only

> addressing the mold the only success you will have is depleting

> your bank account and destroying your family relationships.

>

> I apologize if my soap box rant has offended anyone but I see

> people leading people down the wrong path for the wrong

> reasons.

>

> Each of us must determine for ourselves what is true for ourself

> even if it is not true for anyone else in the entire universe. We

> each much select out of the complex mass of information (mostly

> mis-information) what we can understand and trust so we can

> each make better decisions for ourself.

>

> Then share your experience. Please!

>

> But don't assume that what worked for you will work for others.

> The one exception to that advise is if the exposure doesn't stop

> you cannot get well. If you can't remove the source of exposure

> from you then you must remove yourself from that exposure.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

Sharon Noonan Kramer