Re: Listspub,cross contamination vs. chemical exposures,

[Guest guest]

I had the same problem when i first started doing my clothes at the laundry mat.

it was winter time and all i had on was sweat shirt and a pair of jeans that had

holes in them because i washed them so much. the smell was so bad that i had no

choice but to go outside and walk around the building so i could get fresh air

id do this till i couldnt take the cold anymore and would go back inside and

deal with the chemical smell. as time went on and i was away from mold my system

became stronger and i could handle it better but gawed it was hell till i got to

that point.

> you said your laundry room made you sick, I cant go to a laundry mat because

they make me sick, it's not because of mold contamination, it's because of

chemicals,fumes, and I'm talking about laundry deturgents and drier sheets,

fabric softners,ect.

> I cant stand being around people that wear cloths washed with scented

deturgents, than they put on purfume or colone too and it's horrable.

>

[Guest guest]

You can wash the dog and hair and yourselves before you go into the new

place. 

Once before you leave to get into your car.  Another find a different place to

change put on clean decontaminated clothes and when you get to the new home wash

yourselves again.  The change of clothes is important as well. 

wash the dog last before you leave your house and do not take him back inside. 

You can also after you bathe him spray his coat with water and GSE (disinfecting

spray) and rub it in. Let him dry outside.  When you leave at second location

do

this again.  But you do not have to leave him out.   Dry him well.

When you get to new home wash him again.  Use Dr Bronner's ORGANIC Peppermint

Soap. During last wash leave the saop in his coat all lathered up for no less

than 10 min.  No less than 10 minutes, he should be fine.  IMO

 

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 1:03:07 AM

Subject: [] Listspub,cross contamination vs. chemical exposures,

 

I wouldn't be near as worried about cross contamination.

I would be a whole lot more worried about getting there and haveing all those

chemical fumes from remoldeling run me right back out the door. not long after

my exposure I looked at a newly remolded apartment, well actually I didn't look

at it at all, because when I opened the door the offgassing of chemicals about

landed me on my ass.

no possable way in hell I could have stayed there, I couldn't even stand there

with the door open and look at it.

see what I'm saying?

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanine,

I dont think we will attempt to move back. The goal is to get this placed

cleaned out of our stuff and clean it as well as possible and re-sell. I dont

think its that damaged. Its the spores I was sleeping next to and showering with

combined with my lyme and babesia and HLA genotype.

I am willing to get rid of everything we own but the animals (and honestly only

for my kids) and a few things from when my kids were little, pics, etc.

We ahve used only 7thgeneration, thieves cleaner, benefect and other such

cleaners for a long time, so I dont think chemicals were effecting me. It was

the dust, whether spores in the dust or not and thats a major issue for this

house right now.

I am leaving and my husband will be throwing out, giving away, selling everyting

except the few thigns I mentioned and some things he wants to save and pu in

storage.

I dont even know how contaminated our things really are. No one can really say

but Ive been too sick too long to have the will or desire to take chances.

I will be saving my rife machine someway as well as my photon machine. They have

been enclosed mostly and are not dust collectors like electrical appliances.

As for new house... it will be outgassing.. we already remodeled this one and my

austin airs I think helped a ton with that. I am not bringing my AAs and leaving

here with my husband and will purchase a few more. I am totally with you that

there is more to this than mold, just like there is more to this than lyme

(which tends to be the major focus on lyme lists).

The idea of cross contamination has freaked me out, but if I take it **beyond my

control** I will have a miserable life. I can only do so much and I think I am

doing the best I can with that and possibly going too far, who knows. I DO feel

somewhat better in the past few weeks on some levels 4 months after the

remediation. I was biten by a tick we think was infected and that has impacted

the 4 months as well. I have a LoooonG way to go to be any where near where I

once was and am not sure I ever will be. I do know that how I vibrate on a

personal, spiritual level effects my biochemistry and that I have to take into

consideration as well.

My sister was very ill for years and part of that time she lived in a very humid

basement (finished of course) .. she believes this contributd to the depth of

her illness.. she is recovered now and I look to her for hope. She did not take

extreme precautions, she just moved, but again, I am not taking chances as I can

help it. She also had a near death experience and much more happen to her that

helped her heal. We are not just biomechanical beings.

Thank you for looking at all angles.. :-)

Robin

>

> I wouldn't be near as worried about cross contamination.

> I would be a whole lot more worried about getting there and haveing all those

chemical fumes from remoldeling run me right back out the door. not long after

my exposure I looked at a newly remolded apartment, well actually I didn't look

at it at all, because when I opened the door the offgassing of chemicals about

landed me on my ass.

> no possable way in hell I could have stayed there, I couldn't even stand there

with the door open and look at it.

> see what I'm saying?

>

> this illness and new things that are still offgassing chemicals do not get

along.

[Guest guest]

You are so right. That kind of stuff has become my worst problem. I research

every product I use on the house... MSDS & talk to as many people with MCS as I

can to see if anyone reacted to it. Then I get a sample from the company.

>

> I wouldn't be near as worried about cross contamination.

> I would be a whole lot more worried about getting there and haveing all those

chemical fumes from remoldeling run me right back out the door. not long after

my exposure I looked at a newly remolded apartment, well actually I didn't look

at it at all, because when I opened the door the offgassing of chemicals about

landed me on my ass.

> no possable way in hell I could have stayed there, I couldn't even stand there

with the door open and look at it.

> see what I'm saying?

>

> this illness and new things that are still offgassing chemicals do not get

along.

> you said your laundry room made you sick, I cant go to a laundry

[Guest guest]

I went to the laudry mat 2 times on recent exposure and I got so sick I would

come back wth infection and severe lung pain.  The laundry mat was across from

the bay and I would stand outside away from it as much as I could but I still

got very ill.

In place we are now, the neigbor passed and we inherited washer, dryer from him.

It took little to off-gas as they did not use fabric softner or dryer sheets, 

had some clorox smell but it came out.  How water and baking soda and to top

it

off  the machies had steel tubs,   it was a blessing.  And they were super

loads

so I do not have to go for something large as a bed spread.  That one is

another

story of fortune. 

 

 And so we were blessed by another's person's sad misfortune in that his

family

saw our need and gave them to us. So I did not have to go back to the horrible

horrble laundry mat.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: Tug <tug_slug@...>

Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 4:46:02 PM

Subject: [] Re: Listspub,cross contamination vs. chemical

exposures,

 

I had the same problem when i first started doing my clothes at the laundry mat.

it was winter time and all i had on was sweat shirt and a pair of jeans that had

holes in them because i washed them so much. the smell was so bad that i had no

choice but to go outside and walk around the building so i could get

[Guest guest]

Mayleen,

Thanks for posting this reasonable, practical procedure for

dealing with dogs (and cats!).

No everyone needs to perform this ideal procedure to this extent,

but doing so is a good preventive when you aren't sure.

By the way, the Citricidal I posted about for car A/C is the GSE

you mentioned (grapefruit seed extract, Citricidal). Wonderful

stuff for small, occasional use. Only had two people in 20+ years

have a moderately bad reaction to it.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

You can wash the dog and hair and yourselves before yougointo the new

place.

Once before you leave to get into your car. Another find a different place

to

change put on clean decontaminated clothes and when you get to the

new home wash

yourselves again. The change of clothes is important as well.

wash the dog last before you leave your house and do not take him back

inside.

You can also after you bathe him spray his coat with water and GSE

(disinfecting

spray) and rub it in. Let him dry outside. When you leave at second

location do

this again. But you do not have to leave him out.Dry him well.

When you get to new home wash him again. Use DrBronner's

ORGANIC Peppermint

Soap. During last wash leave the saop in his coat all lathered up for no

less

than 10 min. No less than 10 minutes, he should be fine. IMO

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 1:03:07 AM

Subject: [] Listspub,cross contamination vs. chemical

exposures,

I wouldn't be near as worried about cross contamination.

I would be a whole lot more worried about getting there and haveing all

those

chemical fumes from remoldeling run me right back out the door. not

long after

my exposure I looked at a newly remolded apartment, well actually I

didn't look

at it at all, because when I opened the door the offgassing of chemicals

about

landed me on my ass.

no possable way in hell I could have stayed there, I couldn't even stand

there

with the door open and look at it.

see what I'm saying?

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[Guest guest]

Good ideas, Mayleen.. Thank you.. Thanks for thinking so clearly for me:-)

Robin

>

> You can wash the dog and hair and yourselves before you go into the new

place. 

> Once before you leave to get into your car.  Another find a different place

to

> change put on clean decontaminated clothes and when you get to the new home

wash

> yourselves again.  The change of clothes is important as well. 

>

>

> wash the dog last before you leave your house and do not take him back

inside. 

> You can also after you bathe him spray his coat with water and GSE

(disinfecting

> spray) and rub it in. Let him dry outside.  When you leave at second location

do

> this again.  But you do not have to leave him out.   Dry him well.

>

>

> When you get to new home wash him again.  Use Dr Bronner's ORGANIC

Peppermint

> Soap. During last wash leave the saop in his coat all lathered up for no less

> than 10 min.  No less than 10 minutes, he should be fine.  IMO

>  

>  

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

[Guest guest]

When i moved into the motel i was reacting to my truck but to the best of my

knowledge i never drug whatever was in the truck into my new living environment.

i remember having to change hotel rooms a total of 3 different times within a

month and wasn't sure if its because i was still sick or due to cross

contamination but after the 3rd move i felt better than i had since the exposure

and was still obviously driving my truck on a daily basis. i have since had the

truck remediated 2 different times and have wiped it down and vacuumed it on

several occasions and thankfully it doesn't bother me anymore.

>

> You can wash the dog and hair and yourselves before you go into the new

place. 

> Once before you leave to get into your car.  Another find a different place

to

> change put on clean decontaminated clothes and when you get to the new home

wash

> yourselves again.  The change of clothes is important as well. 

>

>

> wash the dog last before you leave your house and do not take him back

inside. 

> You can also after you bathe him spray his coat with water and GSE

(disinfecting

> spray) and rub it in. Let him dry outside.  When you leave at second location

do

> this again.  But you do not have to leave him out.   Dry him well.

>

>

> When you get to new home wash him again.  Use Dr Bronner's ORGANIC

Peppermint

> Soap. During last wash leave the saop in his coat all lathered up for no less

> than 10 min.  No less than 10 minutes, he should be fine.  IMO

[Guest guest]

My Pleasure,

This is how we proceeded with ours.  I am very reactive while he is

different.

So we must do some extreme for me.  I hope it helps someone.  

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 2:44:05 AM

Subject: Re: [] Listspub,cross contamination vs. chemical

exposures,

 

Mayleen,

Thanks for posting this reasonable, practical procedure for

dealing with dogs (and cats!).

No everyone needs to perform this ideal procedure to this extent,

but doing so is a good preventive when you aren't sure.

By the way, the Citricidal I posted about for car A/C is the GSE

you mentioned (grapefruit seed extract, Citricidal). Wonderful

stuff for small, occasional use. Only had two people in 20+ years

have a moderately bad reaction to it.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

My Pleasure,

My babies are peeks with hair, (short haired peeks) but it is dense so I made

sure they were well washed and always exchanged towels, wipes, whatever so I

would always use something clean on them.

Our ordeal is not over as we have yet to find safety from mold as well as

chemicals. We have been offered to live on a farm that is organic, we

would love

to but need somethinmg to saty in as I am on 02 which is keeping us from

leaving, just running.  I need somewhere to place  a 165 lb tank that fills

the

portable.  Since it is the only system I can use. 

My baby that we lost due to Toxic Exposures will be added to a site for Babies

lost to Toxic Exposures.  In a memorial site, she will never be forgotten.  

She

brought so much joy to our lives and helped me when I was ill from  an

accident

and gave me much comfort during those very painful times and for the last 16

years. 

This is a pic of what ours may look like. As you can see there is hair and

plenty of it.  We managed to clean it very well.

http://www.out-and-about-with-your-dog.com/images/pekingese_arms_2.jpg

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: listspub <listspub@...>

Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 2:56:56 AM

Subject: [] Re: Listspub,cross contamination vs. chemical

exposures,

 

Good ideas, Mayleen.. Thank you.. Thanks for thinking so clearly for me:-)

Robin

[Guest guest]

Some hotels are also moldy and it could have been that.

 

 I am glad you are able to use your truck !!

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: Tug <tug_slug@...>

Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 7:26:40 AM

Subject: [] Re: Listspub,cross contamination vs. chemical

exposures,

 

When i moved into the motel i was reacting to my truck but to the best of my

knowledge i never drug whatever was in the truck into my new living environment.

i remember having to change hotel rooms a total of 3 different times within a

month and wasn't sure if its because i was still sick or due to cross

contamination but after the 3rd move i felt better than i had since the exposure

and was still obviously driving my truck on a daily basis. i have since had the

truck remediated 2 different times and have wiped it down and vacuumed it on

several occasions and thankfully it doesn't bother me anymore.

[Guest guest]

Oh my, how sweet! and lots of hair to keep clean!

Robin

>

> My Pleasure,

>

> My babies are peeks with hair, (short haired peeks) but it is dense so I made

> sure they were well washed and always exchanged towels, wipes, whatever so I

> would always use something clean on them.

>

> Our ordeal is not over as we have yet to find safety from mold as well as

> chemicals. We have been offered to live on a farm that is organic, we

would love

> to but need somethinmg to saty in as I am on 02 which is keeping us from

> leaving, just running.  I need somewhere to place  a 165 lb tank that fills

the

> portable.  Since it is the only system I can use. 

>

>

> My baby that we lost due to Toxic Exposures will be added to a site for

Babies

> lost to Toxic Exposures.  In a memorial site, she will never be

forgotten.   She

> brought so much joy to our lives and helped me when I was ill from  an

accident

> and gave me much comfort during those very painful times and for the last 16

> years. 

>

>

> This is a pic of what ours may look like. As you can see there is hair and

> plenty of it.  We managed to clean it very well.

>

>

> http://www.out-and-about-with-your-dog.com/images/pekingese_arms_2.jpg

>  

>

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: listspub <listspub@...>

>

> Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 2:56:56 AM

> Subject: [] Re: Listspub,cross contamination vs. chemical

> exposures,

>

>  

> Good ideas, Mayleen.. Thank you.. Thanks for thinking so clearly for me:-)

>

> Robin

>