Re: Re: 7.27.10 Research Shows Controversial Illness is Real ...

[Guest guest]

Jeanine,

If I am understanding you correctly, yes. In lay terms they describe it

as " sicker quicker " upon re-exposure and " inflammation gone wild " .

Two of the authors belong to Sickbuildings, Carl & Jack. They could

probably reply to this better than I could.

Again, the paper:

_http://www.policyholdersofamerica.org/doc/CIRS_PEER_REVIEWED_PAPER.pdf_

(http://www.policyholdersofamerica.org/doc/CIRS_PEER_REVIEWED_PAPER.pdf) )

Sharon

In a message dated 7/29/2010 5:54:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

And, wouldn't it be a fare statement to say that the more damage to organs

and tissues that you recieved during your inital exposure

the more worse a inflammatory responce might be that you would have with

re-exposure to a chemical/toxin.?

[Guest guest]

Yea, what is SOB? I thought that was an acronym for those that have

profited off the backs of the sick for years over this issue while promoting the

" environmental science " of the US Chamber. Are you telling me there is an

ICD 9 code used to treat this systemic illness?

" Views for dues " Show him the Money

_http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2010/1007.verini.html_

(http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2010/1007.verini.html)

In a message dated 7/30/2010 5:19:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

svican@... writes:

what is sob? and does reactive airways disease occur only upon

exposure? my son coughs/clears his throat regularly, every day....

thanks, sue v

>Reactive airway disease is a chronic inflammatory condition of lungs.

>Individuals may or may not cough. Airway constriction and SOB do occur.

[Guest guest]

Reactive airway disease is a chronic inflammatory condition of lungs.

Individuals may or may not cough. Airway constriction and SOB do occur.

[] Re: 7.27.10 Research Shows Controversial Illness is

Real ...

I have a question on this, because some dont have the reactive airways where

they caugh with re-exposures and their airways close up, is that different than

or not a part of the CIRS-WDB? is that a seperate effect or illness, reactive

airway disorder or is that something that comes with more damage obtained to the

airways from initial exposure? now sometimes I dont have this effect but have

other effects with re-exposures but most of the time this happens.

>

> Jeanine,

>

> If I am understanding you correctly, yes. In lay terms they describe it

> as " sicker quicker " upon re-exposure and " inflammation gone wild " .

>

> Two of the authors belong to Sickbuildings, Carl & Jack. They could

> probably reply to this better than I could.

>

> Again, the paper:

> _http://www.policyholdersofamerica.org/doc/CIRS_PEER_REVIEWED_PAPER.pdf_

> (http://www.policyholdersofamerica.org/doc/CIRS_PEER_REVIEWED_PAPER.pdf) )

>

> Sharon

>

>

> In a message dated 7/29/2010 5:54:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> jeaninem660@... writes:

>

> And, wouldn't it be a fare statement to say that the more damage to organs

> and tissues that you recieved during your inital exposure

> the more worse a inflammatory responce might be that you would have with

> re-exposure to a chemical/toxin.?

>

[Guest guest]

what is sob? and does reactive airways disease occur only upon

exposure? my son coughs/clears his throat regularly, every day....

thanks, sue v

>Reactive airway disease is a chronic inflammatory condition of lungs.

>Individuals may or may not cough. Airway constriction and SOB do occur.

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Thrasher. Is what you are talking about like bronciactasis?

Chris...

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From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 5:54:24 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: 7.27.10 Research Shows Controversial Illness is

Real ...

 

Reactive airway disease is a chronic inflammatory condition of lungs.

Individuals may or may not cough. Airway constriction and SOB do occur.

[Guest guest]

Sharon: thanks for the laugh. Shortness of Breath, but you are also correct.

Re: [] Re: 7.27.10 Research Shows Controversial Illness

is Real ...

Yea, what is SOB? I thought that was an acronym for those that have

profited off the backs of the sick for years over this issue while promoting

the

" environmental science " of the US Chamber. Are you telling me there is an

ICD 9 code used to treat this systemic illness?

" Views for dues " Show him the Money

_http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2010/1007.verini.html_

(http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2010/1007.verini.html)

In a message dated 7/30/2010 5:19:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

svican@... writes:

what is sob? and does reactive airways disease occur only upon

exposure? my son coughs/clears his throat regularly, every day....

thanks, sue v

>Reactive airway disease is a chronic inflammatory condition of lungs.

>Individuals may or may not cough. Airway constriction and SOB do occur.

[Guest guest]

Bronchiectasis is diagnosed by MRI of CT scan which shows consolidation of

alveoli. This also leads to shortness of breath (SOB). It is also an

inflammatory condition of the lungs.

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is

Real ...

Reactive airway disease is a chronic inflammatory condition of lungs.

Individuals may or may not cough. Airway constriction and SOB do occur.

[Guest guest]

Reactive airway disease (RADS) is similar to asthma. It usually takes an

exposure to cause SOB (shortness of breath). The coughing by you son most

likely results from some form of irritation of the upper respiratory tract and

throat. Is he having excess mucous production or what?

Re: [] Re: 7.27.10 Research Shows Controversial Illness

is Real ...

what is sob? and does reactive airways disease occur only upon

exposure? my son coughs/clears his throat regularly, every day....

thanks, sue v

>Reactive airway disease is a chronic inflammatory condition of lungs.

>Individuals may or may not cough. Airway constriction and SOB do occur.

>

[Guest guest]

essentially, yes

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Illness is Real ...

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> what is sob? and does reactive airways disease occur only upon

> exposure? my son coughs/clears his throat regularly, every day....

>

> thanks, sue v

>

> >Reactive airway disease is a chronic inflammatory condition of lungs.

> >Individuals may or may not cough. Airway constriction and SOB do occur.

> >

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>

>

[Guest guest]

he does blow his nose a lot and spit up mucus a lot. he has candida

overgrowth in his sputum, about to treat him for that. at dr gray's he

tested normal on lung function test except for small airways (fef75

where he was only at approx. 50% improving to 70% w/bronchodilator,

which dr gray says is from mold, dr rea says can also be from chemicals

and a breath test he did at dr rea's showed low levels of many chemicals

in his breath so he is not detoxing those either....

dr gray put him on chromalyn sodium which he still nebulizes, xopenex

which he stopped but is going to try again (he didn't notice that it

helped) and nebulized glutathione which i think was more for detox than

for the lungs, and dr rea says it can irritate and damage the lungs so

stopped that for now anyway, need to take him in and get another lung

function test to see that his lungs aren't further deteriorating.

mostly he doesn't feel out of breath, but has a bit of " air hunger " that

he is used to, tends to feel short of breath more when he has

indigestion i think and his gut must be pushing up with gas and making

him feel short of breath. wish i knew what to do about the nebulized

glutathione, wish the docs could all get on the same page but of course

that will never happen.....

sue v.

>Reactive airway disease (RADS) is similar to asthma. It usually takes

>an exposure to cause SOB (shortness of breath). The coughing by you son

>most likely results from some form of irritation of the upper

>respiratory tract and throat. Is he having excess mucous production or what?

>

[Guest guest]

Small airway dysfunction (disease) is RADS.

Re: [] Re: 7.27.10 Research Shows Controversial Illness

is Real ...

he does blow his nose a lot and spit up mucus a lot. he has candida

overgrowth in his sputum, about to treat him for that. at dr gray's he

tested normal on lung function test except for small airways (fef75

where he was only at approx. 50% improving to 70% w/bronchodilator,

which dr gray says is from mold, dr rea says can also be from chemicals

and a breath test he did at dr rea's showed low levels of many chemicals

in his breath so he is not detoxing those either....

dr gray put him on chromalyn sodium which he still nebulizes, xopenex

which he stopped but is going to try again (he didn't notice that it

helped) and nebulized glutathione which i think was more for detox than

for the lungs, and dr rea says it can irritate and damage the lungs so

stopped that for now anyway, need to take him in and get another lung

function test to see that his lungs aren't further deteriorating.

mostly he doesn't feel out of breath, but has a bit of " air hunger " that

he is used to, tends to feel short of breath more when he has

indigestion i think and his gut must be pushing up with gas and making

him feel short of breath. wish i knew what to do about the nebulized

glutathione, wish the docs could all get on the same page but of course

that will never happen.....

sue v.

>Reactive airway disease (RADS) is similar to asthma. It usually takes

>an exposure to cause SOB (shortness of breath). The coughing by you son

>most likely results from some form of irritation of the upper

>respiratory tract and throat. Is he having excess mucous production or what?

>

[Guest guest]

Respiration is controlled by two nerves: phrenic to the diaphragm and the

autonomic nervous system (both parasympathetic (Cranial Nerv X and sympathetic).

You may have neuritis in either or both pathways.

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> so the closeing up of the airways would be RADS?

[Guest guest]

Dr. T,

thank you for the clarification. sue v

>Small airway dysfunction (disease) is RADS.

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>Illness is Real ...

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[Guest guest]

It seems to me that rheumatology would be the speciality to deal with

chronic inflammation. No? I am not aware of any rheumotologists well versed in

this. It just seems like this is the specialty that should be.

Am I wrong?

Sharon

In a message dated 8/10/2010 8:13:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

dragonflymcs@... writes:

I got my MCS, EI, from a WDB feel really bad for those who did not get it

like

this and still do not have a code. Although there are many codes for

poisoning

which is really what MCS is slow systematic poisoning of your organs ,

................................then I have so many other things from WDB

with

codes and still it has been hard getting treatment due to complete

ignorance of

the Dr's I have seen. Cannot get into the right Dr due to the ignorance

of

Medicaid !

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

sob is shortness of breath

what is sob? and does reactive airways disease occur only upon

exposure? my son coughs/clears his throat regularly, every day....

thanks, sue v