Re: fabric softener/scented dryer sheets

[Guest guest]

I cant use them at ALL.

In a message dated 8/1/2010 12:19:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

tug_slug@... writes:

For those who have MCS how does those two items effect you?

Thanks

Tug

[Guest guest]

Can't stand the smell. Bounce has neurotoxins in it. The sheets are

also used as bug deterrents.

Barth

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[Guest guest]

They used to only cause itching & diddn't smell right.  Now make my throat,

eyes, skin burn & might cough along with the itch.

Kathy

From: Tug <tug_slug@...>

Subject: [] fabric softener/scented dryer sheets

For those who have MCS how does those two items effect you?

Thanks

Tug

[Guest guest]

I use the dryer balls but only once in a while during the winter to

reduce the static cling. I just remove the clothes all the other times and shake

them out.

Those dryer balls are great...I wondered about the plastic but it is the

path of least resistance considering the dryers sheets...if you take the

laundry out before it is too hot and friend they do a good job on

" de-wrinkling " stuff...and no odor to send your system into overdrive...

[Guest guest]

Most laundry detergents and fabric softeners make me sick for days.

Debilitating headaches like an axe in my forehead, joint pain, severe brain fog,

sore throat and in bed for a least a day!!! Some fragrances seem to be worse

than others but the real heavy ones hit me like an Amtrak train!!!!!

More than anything else. Horrendous reaction - the biggest reason I lived

in my truck for 5 years & bought this house away from neighbors. Laundry

detergent is the very next worst. Keeps me away from the public.

[Guest guest]

My mother and my daughter use tide. This seems to bother me

tremendously.Dan my friend washes his in my detergent and changes and takes a

shower when

he first gets here

In a message dated 8/1/2010 8:17:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

safersmilesdentallab@... writes:

More than anything else. Horrendous reaction - the biggest reason I lived

in my truck for 5 years & bought this house away from neighbors. Laundry

detergent is the very next worst. Keeps me away from the public.

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[Guest guest]

ALOT.... The uncented ones can be dealt with if nessesary but I got dryer

balls... LOL really that is what they are called. The only problem is they seem

to not work great on static after some use but there is no smell that I have

noticed from them. I have often wondered though about the re-heating of these

plastic balls might do. That is what I use though...

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From: Tug <tug_slug@...>

Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 9:27:30 AM

Subject: [] fabric softener/scented dryer sheets

 

For those who have MCS how does those two items effect you?

Thanks

Tug

[Guest guest]

More than anything else. Horrendous reaction - the biggest reason I lived in my

truck for 5 years & bought this house away from neighbors. Laundry detergent is

the very next worst. Keeps me away from the public.

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> For those who have MCS how does those two items effect you?

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> Thanks

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> Tug

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[Guest guest]

Those dryer balls are great...I wondered about the plastic but it is the path of

least resistance considering the dryers sheets...if you take the laundry out

before it is too hot and friend they do a good job on " de-wrinkling " stuff...and

no odor to send your system into overdrive...

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> ALOT.... The uncented ones can be dealt with if nessesary but I got dryer

> balls... LOL really that is what they are called. The only problem is they

seem

> to not work great on static after some use but there is no smell that I have

> noticed from them. I have often wondered though about the re-heating of these

> plastic balls might do. That is what I use though...

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> Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 9:27:30 AM

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[Guest guest]

I was thinking of mentioning this before with your concerns about your

girlfriend's clothing...

My most sensitive daughter gets a rash from clothing that has been treated with

fabric softener or dryer sheets. Those chemicals are very persistent and DO NOT

wash out with regular detergent and hot water. The only thing I've found that

works is powdered milk.

I know it sounds insane--my Mom heard this tip from a friend with MCS and it

really works. I don't know what the chemistry is, I just wash a load of

clothing on hot with half a box of powdered milk. Then wash again on hot with

regular detergent, borax, or whatever you use.

In the past I'd washed clothes a dozen times with detergent, vinegar, baking

soda, borax, and the scent and filmy residue always remained. However, a wash

with powdered milk followed by a regular hot wash removed most if not all of it,

enough that my daughter could wear the clothes without developing a rash.

Amy

[Guest guest]

I can't use them anymore. They make me terribly sick. But I find that if

you add a bit of white vinegar to the dryer that does the trick for

softening. Most of the time, though, I don't add anything and I don't miss

it.

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Tug <tug_slug@...> wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Is this even a serious question? Those are neurotoxins that affect everybody,

especially us. I smell a shirt dried with a sheet half a block away. I smell

someone doing laundry and venting the scent into the air a block away. They

should be banned and made illegal.

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> In a message dated 8/1/2010 12:19:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> tug_slug@... writes:

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> For those who have MCS how does those two items effect you?

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[Guest guest]

TOTALLY AGREE!

Is this even a serious question? Those are neurotoxins that affect

everybody, especially us. I smell a shirt dried with a sheet half a block away.

I

smell someone doing laundry and venting the scent into the air a block

away. They should be banned and made illegal.

[Guest guest]

I do the same thing and I agree!!

Janet

In a message dated 8/2/2010 8:20:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

surellabaer@... writes:

Is this even a serious question? Those are neurotoxins that affect

everybody, especially us. I smell a shirt dried with a sheet half a block away.

I

smell someone doing laundry and venting the scent into the air a block

away. They should be banned and made illegal.

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> I cant use them at ALL.

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> In a message dated 8/1/2010 12:19:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> tug_slug@... writes:

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> For those who have MCS how does those two items effect you?

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[Guest guest]

Again, thanks for all the replies and yes this is a serious question.

When I first became exposed to mold I moved into a motel and washed my clothes

in regular tide, microban and borax but didnt use any type of dryer sheet and

felt fine so Im not to sure how tide is going to effect me or even if it would.

This might explain why I've been having such a negative reaction in the master

bedroom as my girlfriend unknowingly uses fabric softener and dryer sheets for

our sheets and pillow cases.

I have become so hypersensitive to every day items Im not sure whats effecting

me anymore. During the early days of my exposure (Jan 2010) going into Walmart

would cause serious problems now it doesnt bother me in the least.

I can now see why so many give up their possessions, buy a tent and move to the

desert. I just hope it doesnt come to that.

[Guest guest]

dave, the dryer sheets are one of those things that are bad for all of

us, educate your girlfriend, if she absolutely has to use some kind of

fabric softener (totally unnecessary in my opinion, then see if there

are nontoxic ones at the health food store) sue

>Again, thanks for all the replies and yes this is a serious question.

>

>When I first became exposed to mold I moved into a motel and washed my

>clothes in regular tide, microban and borax but didnt use any type of

[Guest guest]

I also use ALL FREE AND CLEAR only one I can handle as a detergent

Janet

In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:24:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

PS, it may actually take several washings to get rid of the fabric softner

smell. you might want to add a little ammonia to the wash,it should get rid

of the smell, make sure you dont breath in the ammonia fumes from the open

bottle.

for me, things washed with amonia didn't cause any effects and after dried

just smelt clean. some may not tolerate it, so you might not either but

it's the only thing I can think of that really gets rid of most smells in

laundry.

and it should only take one washing with this to get rid of the fabric

softner smell. just a thought.

ALL FREE AND CLEAR laundry deturgent is sofar the only thing I have been

able to tolerate washing my cloths with. I dont use anything in the drier at

all. static electricity can be avoided if you dont over dry your cloths.

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> Im in the process of doing a load of my laundry, when they finished

washing without thinking i reached up like I always do and put a dryer sheet in

the dryer. I've been washing my clothes this was since we moved into the

house 3 months ago and they've never affected me. The only difference in the

way my g/f washes her clothes and the way I wash mine is when I first put

the clothes in the washer I use the " sanitize " setting which means the

clothes wash for about 2 hours and I dont use any fabric softener where as she

uses the wash cycle which washes her clothes for about 55 minutes and uses

fabric softener. Could it be the fabric softener that made both me and Carl

sick?

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> Also, everytime I sleep in our bed I wake up feeling sicker than a dog,

assuming it's not the dryer sheets that are making me sick it has to be the

fabric softener my g/f uses on the bedding thats causing such a severe

reaction.

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> Thoughts?

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[Guest guest]

Im in the process of doing a load of my laundry, when they finished washing

without thinking i reached up like I always do and put a dryer sheet in the

dryer. I've been washing my clothes this was since we moved into the house 3

months ago and they've never affected me. The only difference in the way my g/f

washes her clothes and the way I wash mine is when I first put the clothes in

the washer I use the " sanitize " setting which means the clothes wash for about 2

hours and I dont use any fabric softener where as she uses the wash cycle which

washes her clothes for about 55 minutes and uses fabric softener. Could it be

the fabric softener that made both me and Carl sick?

Also, everytime I sleep in our bed I wake up feeling sicker than a dog, assuming

it's not the dryer sheets that are making me sick it has to be the fabric

softener my g/f uses on the bedding thats causing such a severe reaction.

Thoughts?

[Guest guest]

I put fabric softener in the rinse cycle and that is enough to remove static

cling and the sheets are not good for your dryer I have heard, leaves a waxy

residue on everything air comes in contact with. Not sure what air comes in

contact with that isn't good for dryer but thats what I read. Do people have

trouble with fabric softener in the rinse cycle, there are fabric free types.

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> dave, the dryer sheets are one of those things that are bad for all of

> us, educate your girlfriend, if she absolutely has to use some kind of

> fabric softener (totally unnecessary in my opinion, then see if there

> are nontoxic ones at the health food store) sue

>

> >Again, thanks for all the replies and yes this is a serious question.

> >

> >When I first became exposed to mold I moved into a motel and washed my

> >clothes in regular tide, microban and borax but didnt use any type of

>

[Guest guest]

I'd say thats pretty likely, I'd wash the bedding without useing the fabric

softner and find out.

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> Im in the process of doing a load of my laundry, when they finished washing

without thinking i reached up like I always do and put a dryer sheet in the

dryer. I've been washing my clothes this was since we moved into the house 3

months ago and they've never affected me. The only difference in the way my g/f

washes her clothes and the way I wash mine is when I first put the clothes in

the washer I use the " sanitize " setting which means the clothes wash for about 2

hours and I dont use any fabric softener where as she uses the wash cycle which

washes her clothes for about 55 minutes and uses fabric softener. Could it be

the fabric softener that made both me and Carl sick?

>

> Also, everytime I sleep in our bed I wake up feeling sicker than a dog,

assuming it's not the dryer sheets that are making me sick it has to be the

fabric softener my g/f uses on the bedding thats causing such a severe reaction.

>

> Thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

PS, it may actually take several washings to get rid of the fabric softner

smell. you might want to add a little ammonia to the wash,it should get rid of

the smell, make sure you dont breath in the ammonia fumes from the open bottle.

for me, things washed with amonia didn't cause any effects and after dried just

smelt clean. some may not tolerate it, so you might not either but it's the only

thing I can think of that really gets rid of most smells in laundry.

and it should only take one washing with this to get rid of the fabric softner

smell. just a thought.

ALL FREE AND CLEAR laundry deturgent is sofar the only thing I have been able to

tolerate washing my cloths with. I dont use anything in the drier at all. static

electricity can be avoided if you dont over dry your cloths.

>

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> Im in the process of doing a load of my laundry, when they finished washing

without thinking i reached up like I always do and put a dryer sheet in the

dryer. I've been washing my clothes this was since we moved into the house 3

months ago and they've never affected me. The only difference in the way my g/f

washes her clothes and the way I wash mine is when I first put the clothes in

the washer I use the " sanitize " setting which means the clothes wash for about 2

hours and I dont use any fabric softener where as she uses the wash cycle which

washes her clothes for about 55 minutes and uses fabric softener. Could it be

the fabric softener that made both me and Carl sick?

>

> Also, everytime I sleep in our bed I wake up feeling sicker than a dog,

assuming it's not the dryer sheets that are making me sick it has to be the

fabric softener my g/f uses on the bedding thats causing such a severe reaction.

>

> Thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

or it could be the mattress, could be old, moldy, full of dust mites, if

a conventional mattress it contains highly toxic chemical flame

retardants, maybe antimicrobial treatments, etc etc. an interesting

experiment would be to remove the mattress and box springs if any from

the room and try sleeping on the floor, see if you get any reactions

that way? try removing suspects one by one, the fabric softener sheets

and bedding, then the mattress, then both, etc.

but dave, dump the dryer sheets for good, THEY ARE TOXIC TO EVERYONE!!!

My opinion is the companies come up with new products we mostly don't

need to continually expand their businesses, there is no govt oversight

or regulation, the us is the toxic dumping ground for the world now

(read the book EXPOSED), they do not care about your health, 99% of the

population is uninformed, assumes products on the market are

safe....dump the dryer sheets, they are toxic, useless, and

expensive....i won't tell you again but put them in the trash now....

sue v

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>Im in the process of doing a load of my laundry, when they finished

>washing without thinking i reached up like I always do and put a dryer

>sheet in the dryer. I've been washing my clothes this was since we moved

[Guest guest]

I feel really stupid but how do you wash a mattress to get rid of the

formaldehyde?

I do use cotton sheets and someone just told me that Target sells Bamboo

sheets. Does anyone know if they are good to use?

also, if the bedding wasn't organic it is likely full of formaldehyde so

you need to wash it multiple times before using, are your sheets cotton

or other natural material or synthetic?

[Guest guest]

Not only dump the dryer sheets - but dump the fabric softener as well. Use

only unscented detergent. Our country uses so many toxic chemicals to make

things " smell " nice, it's crazy. It might make them smell nice to some

people, but to *all* people, those are toxic chemicals you are breathing in

and toxic chemicals you have against your skin.

It's a good point, Sue, that you bring up about mites. That could

definitely be an additional thing going on. One thing you could do is get a

really good mattress cover. A dust mite cover should encase the entire

mattress and zip on one end. Make sure to tape the zipper. You can buy

special tape but I'd think you could even use duct tape or something like

that in a pinch - but it would probably leave residue when you remove it

for washing.

We got ours at National Allergy Supply online. There are tons of places

online that sell them. Also make sure you get pillow covers for dust mites

too. No sense in covering your mattress if the pillows go uncovered.

Another thought...not sure what kind of mattress/pillows you have. But I

had very bad reactions to anything memory-foam-like. That stuff is terribly

toxic. You might not have that at all, but I just wanted to throw that out

there in case.

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:01 PM, sue <svican@...> wrote:

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> or it could be the mattress, could be old, moldy, full of dust mites, if

> a conventional mattress it contains highly toxic chemical flame

> retardants, maybe antimicrobial treatments, etc etc. an interesting

> experiment would be to remove the mattress and box springs if any from

> the room and try sleeping on the floor, see if you get any reactions

> that way? try removing suspects one by one, the fabric softener sheets

> and bedding, then the mattress, then both, etc.

>

> but dave, dump the dryer sheets for good, THEY ARE TOXIC TO EVERYONE!!!

> My opinion is the companies come up with new products we mostly don't

> need to continually expand their businesses, there is no govt oversight

> or regulation, the us is the toxic dumping ground for the world now

> (read the book EXPOSED), they do not care about your health, 99% of the

> population is uninformed, assumes products on the market are

> safe....dump the dryer sheets, they are toxic, useless, and

> expensive....i won't tell you again but put them in the trash now....

>

> sue v

>

> >

> >

> >Im in the process of doing a load of my laundry, when they finished

> >washing without thinking i reached up like I always do and put a dryer

> >sheet in the dryer. I've been washing my clothes this was since we moved

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We don't use fabric softener or dryer sheets.  Wouldn't it be nice if they

studied the effects & quit making them? Would take too much money from the

co's.  Kathy

http://healthrecipes.com/fabric_softeners.htm

Fabric softeners contain oils that reduce free electrons and cut down on

static, which also reduces the stiffness of clothes. Since it’s left in

the clothes after washing, or even added while drying, the oil residue

remains next to your skin and is absorbed into your body through your

pores.

Fabric softener perfumes often contain ethyl acetate, benzyl alcohol,

camphor, ethanol (which is on the EPA Hazardous Waste list), limonene,

linalool, and a-Terpineol. These chemicals cause respiratory irritation

and even failure, headache, nausea, dizziness, anemia, liver and kidney

damage, CNS disorders, and respiratory edema – and many of them have the

EPA warning to wash hands after handling!

Most of the dangerous chemicals in fabric softeners are most dangerous

when inhaled – what’s the first thing you do when you take your fluffy,

sweet-scented clothes out of the dryer?

Fabric softeners used on fluffy materials like your child’s fleece

pajamas or your terrycloth robe and towels can increase flammability.

Rather than making your family comfortable, your fabric softener may be putting

them at risk!

Instead of using toxic commercial fabric softener, try adding a

quarter-cup of baking soda to your wash cycle to soften fabrics, and a

quarter cup of white vinegar to soften and eliminate cling.

dryer sheet in the dryer. I've been washing my clothes this was since we moved

into the house 3 months ago and they've never affected me. The only difference

in the way my g/f washes her clothes and the way I wash mine is when I first put

the clothes in the washer I use the " sanitize " setting which means the clothes

wash for about 2 hours and I dont use any fabric softener where as she uses the

wash cycle which washes her clothes for about 55 minutes and uses fabric

softener. Could it be the fabric softener that made both me and Carl sick?

Also, everytime I sleep in our bed I wake up feeling sicker than a dog, assuming

it's not the dryer sheets that are making me sick it has to be the fabric

softener my g/f uses on the bedding thats causing such a severe reaction.

Thoughts?