Re: 7.27.10 Research Shows Controversial Illness is Real ...

[Guest guest]

I have a question on this, because some dont have the reactive airways where

they caugh with re-exposures and their airways close up, is that different than

or not a part of the CIRS-WDB? is that a seperate effect or illness, reactive

airway disorder or is that something that comes with more damage obtained to the

airways from initial exposure? now sometimes I dont have this effect but have

other effects with re-exposures but most of the time this happens.

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> Jeanine,

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> If I am understanding you correctly, yes. In lay terms they describe it

> as " sicker quicker " upon re-exposure and " inflammation gone wild " .

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> Two of the authors belong to Sickbuildings, Carl & Jack. They could

> probably reply to this better than I could.

>

> Again, the paper:

> _http://www.policyholdersofamerica.org/doc/CIRS_PEER_REVIEWED_PAPER.pdf_

> (http://www.policyholdersofamerica.org/doc/CIRS_PEER_REVIEWED_PAPER.pdf) )

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> Sharon

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>

> In a message dated 7/29/2010 5:54:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> jeaninem660@... writes:

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> And, wouldn't it be a fare statement to say that the more damage to organs

> and tissues that you recieved during your inital exposure

> the more worse a inflammatory responce might be that you would have with

> re-exposure to a chemical/toxin.?

>

[Guest guest]

That's a good point to bring up. I have never had lung involvement but I had

very high inflamation systemically and alot of illness from that. I had

significant exposure through the skin because environment was leaking insulation

from attic and that caused itchy skin, which I scratched open...causing open

sores. I have scarred up skin from it. I did have sore throat for long time

and one eye that watered but those cleared up, skin also cleared up but left

with at first a series of illnesses, Epstein Bar virus, cancer found on surgery,

toxins found in a cyst in my pancreas and now a chronic inflamatory problem. Dr

Shoemakers test showed very high inflammation markers/cytoklines? (can't

remember the term he used).

Lung xray and catscan showed some fibrous matter but generally okay.

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> I have a question on this, because some dont have the reactive airways where

they caugh with re-exposures and their airways close up, is that different than

or not a part of the CIRS-WDB? is that a seperate effect or illness, reactive

airway disorder or is that something that comes with more damage obtained to the

airways from initial exposure? now sometimes I dont have this effect but have

other effects with re-exposures but most of the time this happens.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

SOB=shortness of breath

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> what is sob? and does reactive airways disease occur only upon

> exposure? my son coughs/clears his throat regularly, every day....

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> thanks, sue v

>

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> >Reactive airway disease is a chronic inflammatory condition of lungs.

> >Individuals may or may not cough. Airway constriction and SOB do occur.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I hope that MRI is without contrast. Many are getting a terrible disease from

MRIs and you can't sue if you weren't in kidney failure when you had the MRI.

It's strange as many are presenting with kidney failure and NSF after MRI but

they can't sue because they didn't have kidney failure when the MRI was done.

It's strange but scary.

Sharon H.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> Bronchiectasis is diagnosed by MRI of CT scan which shows consolidation of

alveoli. This also leads to shortness of breath (SOB). It is also an

inflammatory condition of the lungs.

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[Guest guest]

I have what I think asthma type symptoms are like with exertion, like walking to

fast or climbing stairs to fast, ect. or maybe described as SOB , it's only with

exposures that I get the caughing and closeing up of my airways, it can get

quite scary sometimes.

but I did fine on the breathing test at Dr. Gray's when I wasn't being really

affected by anything in my surroundings. where you blow into the tube.

sometimes I go through some bouts where I get to weezing and sometimes with this

my lungs burn, mostly just fell it on my backside, fells like a infection of

somekind, a few times it got bad enough that I thought I might have namonia,

sorry spelling.

most times it clears up in a few days. this has happened several times right

after being outside walking, figured I inhaled something into my lungs that

wasn't good.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> Reactive airway disease (RADS) is similar to asthma. It usually takes an

exposure to cause SOB (shortness of breath). The coughing by you son most

likely results from some form of irritation of the upper respiratory tract and

throat. Is he having excess mucous production or what?

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> Re: [] Re: 7.27.10 Research Shows Controversial

Illness is Real ...

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> what is sob? and does reactive airways disease occur only upon

> exposure? my son coughs/clears his throat regularly, every day....

>

> thanks, sue v

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> >Reactive airway disease is a chronic inflammatory condition of lungs.

> >Individuals may or may not cough. Airway constriction and SOB do occur.

> >

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[Guest guest]

so the closeing up of the airways would be RADS?

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> Reactive airway disease (RADS) is similar to asthma. It usually takes an

exposure to cause SOB (shortness of breath). The coughing by you son most

likely results from some form of irritation of the upper respiratory tract and

throat. Is he having excess mucous production or what?

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> Re: [] Re: 7.27.10 Research Shows Controversial

Illness is Real ...

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> what is sob? and does reactive airways disease occur only upon

> exposure? my son coughs/clears his throat regularly, every day....

>

> thanks, sue v

>

> >Reactive airway disease is a chronic inflammatory condition of lungs.

> >Individuals may or may not cough. Airway constriction and SOB do occur.

> >

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[Guest guest]

sorry, confused SOB with not being able catch your breath, or actually breathing

really hard and very deep, weezing can go along with the asthma type reactions

with the exertion type asthma, hard to explain. SOB might actually go more

with the RADS symptoms? maybe.

if it refers to shorter and shorter or lesser and lesser amounts of air you can

breath in.

with the RADS and a re-exposure usually the first breath in of a toxin produces

a caugh, it's basicly a dry caugh and it's not really a coughing fit, like with

like a cold or something it's a continued, repeaded ,one caugh, my airways start

closeing up on the first breath and can just continue to close up with repeated

cough, hard to explain. while the airways close up, every breath in, that getts

harder and harder to do,and less amount of air with each breath,produces a

caugh. no wheezing with this,both events can get my heart to beating pretty hard

but for different reasons and both can affect my brain but in different ways.

I'm pretty sure the caugh event would be discribed as a dry caugh and they

actually have a very different sound to them. one way to think about them would

be like to caugh when you have just exhaled all the air out of your lungs and

really dont have any air to come out with that cough but you cant stop it from

happening.

[Guest guest]

I have a question about the lungs, about 3 times during my exposure, for reasons

I cant really pinpoint, I had this event were for several seconds it was like my

lungs just stopped working .

I could not take a breath in or out, this was not a lessoning of air intake or

output at all, it was the inablity to breath in or out at all.

scared the wholy crap out of me, something no body wants to experience.

all I could do was set there, I couldn't speak to even tell anyone.

what was that, I mean it was scary and all I could do is pray that whatever

stoped working would start again, one time lasted a few seconds longer than the

other times, I thought I was a goner.

what could be the cause of this? I pray if never happens again.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> essentially, yes

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> [] Re: 7.27.10 Research Shows Controversial Illness is

Real ...

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> so the closeing up of the airways would be RADS?

[Guest guest]

humm, maybe it was do to something in the brain.

breathing mechanism

The breathing movements are controlled by the three respiratory centres of the

medulla oblongata and pons Varolli in the human brain. The three respiratory

centres are the inspiratory, expiratory (in medulla oblongata) and pneumotaxic

centres (in pons Varolli). The respiratory centres are stimulated by the carbon

dioxide concentration of the blood.

http://www.tutorvista.com/content/biology/biology-iv/respiration-animals/breathi\

ng-mechanism.php

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> I have a question about the lungs, about 3 times during my exposure, for

reasons I cant really pinpoint, I had this event were for several seconds it was

like my lungs just stopped working .

> I could not take a breath in or out, this was not a lessoning of air intake or

output at all, it was the inablity to breath in or out at all.

> scared the wholy crap out of me, something no body wants to experience.

> all I could do was set there, I couldn't speak to even tell anyone.

> what was that, I mean it was scary and all I could do is pray that whatever

stoped working would start again, one time lasted a few seconds longer than the

other times, I thought I was a goner.

> what could be the cause of this? I pray if never happens again.

>

>

> --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@>

wrote:

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> > essentially, yes

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> > [] Re: 7.27.10 Research Shows Controversial Illness

is Real ...

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> > so the closeing up of the airways would be RADS?

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dr, Thrasher, I think you may be right.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> Respiration is controlled by two nerves: phrenic to the diaphragm and the

autonomic nervous system (both parasympathetic (Cranial Nerv X and sympathetic).

You may have neuritis in either or both pathways.

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Gray saw signs on optic neuritis in my left eye, so I'd say probably both.

>

> Thanks Dr, Thrasher, I think you may be right.

>

> --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@>

wrote:

> >

> > Respiration is controlled by two nerves: phrenic to the diaphragm and the

autonomic nervous system (both parasympathetic (Cranial Nerv X and sympathetic).

You may have neuritis in either or both pathways.

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