Sauna

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Chas-Have you looked into a sauna? A family membership at the YMCA Is

$50 bucks.

> >

> > I'd like to hear some negative feedback on Roach Prufe, if there

is

> > any. I just ordered the 12 canisters and then spoke with someone

who

> > said it isn't all that effective. I'd like to hear from others

too.

> >

> > I have been doing very well lately, working 60 hr weeks for the

last

> > couple of months and sleeping 8 hrs most nights!! I got roach

prufe to

> > kill any remaining mites at work and home. I hope it was worth the

> > purchase.

> >

> > - requireshelp

> >

>

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Really? I am gonna check that out tomorrow. Ours is all the way in town (20 minutes away) but that sounds promising. Thank you Holly, my dear! You are Awesome!> > >> > > I'd like to hear some negative feedback on Roach Prufe, if there > is> > > any. I just ordered the 12 canisters and then spoke with someone > who> > > said it isn't all that effective. I'd like to hear from others > too.> > >> > > I have been doing very well lately, working 60 hr weeks for the > last> > > couple of months and sleeping 8 hrs most nights!! I got roach > prufe to> > > kill any remaining mites at work and home. I hope it was worth the> > > purchase.> > >> > > - requireshelp> > >> >>

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Yeah mines 15 minutes away, but i make damn sure to make it there at

least twice a week. My little piece of heaven

> > > >

> > > > I'd like to hear some negative feedback on Roach Prufe, if

there

> > is

> > > > any. I just ordered the 12 canisters and then spoke with

someone

> > who

> > > > said it isn't all that effective. I'd like to hear from others

> > too.

> > > >

> > > > I have been doing very well lately, working 60 hr weeks for

the

> > last

> > > > couple of months and sleeping 8 hrs most nights!! I got roach

> > prufe to

> > > > kill any remaining mites at work and home. I hope it was

worth the

> > > > purchase.

> > > >

> > > > - requireshelp

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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wow, sounds lovely...hmmm. i let the day get away from me so I am gonna go check out the cornerstone tomorrow. Thanks again Holly.> > > > >> > > > > I'd like to hear some negative feedback on Roach Prufe, if > there> > > is> > > > > any. I just ordered the 12 canisters and then spoke with > someone> > > who> > > > > said it isn't all that effective. I'd like to hear from others> > > too.> > > > >> > > > > I have been doing very well lately, working 60 hr weeks for > the> > > last> > > > > couple of months and sleeping 8 hrs most nights!! I got roach> > > prufe to> > > > > kill any remaining mites at work and home. I hope it was > worth the> > > > > purchase.> > > > >> > > > > - requireshelp> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Bobby, do you still use clay?

From: <bobbyboyd99@...>Subject: Re: saunabird mites Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 8:13 AM

I have tried Trish's clay mix Holly. I use it about once a week, full body, scalp too. I like it much better than the bentonite clay alone I had been using. It's very fine and seems to get in the pores better. I feel so clean afterwards. Everyone should do a full body clay masque once a week. It pulls all sorts of toxins out of your skin and our "friends" I think.b> > > > > > > > > > > > From: katiejill109 <kajay109 (DOT) com>> > > > > > Subject: This purging process

is strangely > > > layered> > > > > > bird mites> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 12:56 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As y'all know, my body has been purging critters from the > > > various > > > > > > layers of tissue. There have been days in between each > stage > > > when > > > > > > nothing came out. Some of those days were "bitey," some > more > > > > > mellow. > > > > > > I was reminded by Bill ( Doe) that scalding myself in > the > > > > > shower > > > > > > helps reduce biting from that night's and the next day's > crop > > > of > > > > > > evictees. > >

> > > > > > > > > > Observing what has come out of me has been fascinating. OK, > > no > > > > need > > > > > > to make fun. I have a (mad) scientific mind, so it's all > good!> > > > > > > > > > > > White Rubbery Worms> > > > > > > > > > > > First things to come out were things I was used to seeing > > > anyway, > > > > > the > > > > > > cigar and ball shaped grayish white base fibered, black > > legged > > > > > > critters. These look like they would be the ones to feel > like > > > > > grains > > > > > > of salt, but they aren't. They felt like little rubbery > > worms. > > > > > These > > > >

> > rascals bite.> > > > > > > > > > > > Bitey Black Specks> > > > > > > > > > > > I had a day of extremely painful bites from the black > specks > > as > > > > > they > > > > > > fought me to reenter and bit like h____ when I resisted > with > > > > strong > > > > > > repellents.> > > > > > > > > > > > Monster fiber critter> > > > > > > > > > > > I photographed this next to a coin then went back, made a > lot > > > > more > > > > > > shots, observed movement, figured out I could put my pics > > into > > > > > > Windows Movie Maker, did that, and posted my first video.> > > > >

> > > > > > > Monster white blobs> > > > > > > > > > > > These look soft, but carry a big bite. They also are the > ones > > > > that > > > > > > feel the spiniest, that is, granular, with sharp > crystalline > > > > edges > > > > > to > > > > > > their body parts. I made a video of a large one of these in > > my > > > > next > > > > > > batch of videos.> > > > > > > > > > > > Fiber Teams> > > > > > > > > > > > Then I had a day of the fibrous things that come in duos > and > > > > trios, > > > > > > all connected by more cottony threads. These bit less. I > > > > videotaped

> > > > > > one of these seemingly trying in vain to help its lesser > half > > > up > > > > > over > > > > > > the edge of a lint roller sheet.> > > > > > > > > > > > Red fiber cigars> > > > > > > > > > > > Bad biters. Can make out what looks to be mouth parts, > anus, > > > leg > > > > > pair> > > > > > (s)> > > > > > > > > > > > Black filiarisis with nodes> > > > > > > > > > > > Today I am getting black thready things that still appear > > solid > > > > at > > > > > > 60x and that have what looks like their own nits. Go > figure. > > > This > > > > >

is > > > > > > not hair. It looks more like plastic, black plastic. It > also > > > has > > > > > > nodes, two on the best sample I have collected, that look > > like > > > > > nits, > > > > > > sort of, or like blobs of the same plastic soldered onto > the > > > > > plastic-> > > > > > y threads.> > > > > > > > > > > > What I have found on me before that I haven't seen yet: > > > > > > > > > > > > The white snakes (WTG suggests a species of silverfish), in > > > some > > > > > > cases sporting a tube stuck on its side. I have not seen > that > > > > > enough > > > > > > to be able to hypothesize (aka 'guess') >

> > > > > > > > > > > The black colembolls> > > > > > > > > > > > Helicopter bug> > > > > > > > > > > > Carpenter ants> > > > > > > > > > > > Many more that I can't remember right now, most of which I > > have > > > > > > mentioned here at one time or another. Will keep you posted.> > > > > > > > > > > > katie> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Hi

Bugs in the news

(http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/news/sty/2005/itch_mites101805.htm)

Bill

Kajay109 wrote:

> Bobby, do you still use clay?

> From: <bobbyboyd99> Subject: Re: sauna To:

bird mites Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 8:13 AM

> I have tried Trish's clay mix Holly. I use it about once a week, full body,

scalp too. I like it much better than the bentonite clay alone I had been using.

It's very fine and seems to get in the pores better. I feel so clean afterwards.

Everyone should do a full body clay masque once a week. It pulls all sorts of

toxins out of your skin and our " friends " I think. b > > > > > > > > > > > > From: katiejill109 <kajay109 (DOT) com>

> > > > > > Subject: This purging process

> is strangely > > > layered > > > > > > bird mites > >

> > > > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 12:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > As y'all know, my body has been purging critters from the > > > various

> > > > > > layers of tissue. There have been days in between each > stage > > >

when > > > > > > nothing came out. Some of those days were " bitey, " some > more

> > > > > mellow. > > > > > > I was reminded by Bill ( Doe) that scalding

myself in > the > > > > > shower > > > > > > helps reduce biting from that

night's and the next day's > crop > > > of > > > > > > evictees. > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Observing what has come out of me has been fascinating.

OK, > > no > > > > need > > > > > > to make fun. I have a (mad) scientific mind,

so it's all > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > White Rubbery Worms > > > > > > > >

> > > > First things to come out were things I was used to seeing > > > anyway,

> > > > > the > > > > > > cigar and ball shaped grayish white base fibered,

black > > legged > > > > > > critters. These look like they would be the ones to

feel > like > > > > > grains > > > > > > of salt, but they aren't. They felt

like little rubbery > > worms. > > > > > These > > > >

> > > rascals bite. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bitey Black Specks > > > > > > > >

> > > > I had a day of extremely painful bites from the black > specks > > as >

> > > > they > > > > > > fought me to reenter and bit like h____ when I resisted

> with > > > > strong > > > > > > repellents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Monster

fiber critter > > > > > > > > > > > > I photographed this next to a coin then

went back, made a > lot > > > > more > > > > > > shots, observed movement,

figured out I could put my pics > > into > > > > > > Windows Movie Maker, did

that, and posted my first video. > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Monster white blobs > > > > > > > > > > > > These look soft,

but carry a big bite. They also are the > ones > > > > that > > > > > > feel the

spiniest, that is, granular, with sharp > crystalline > > > > edges > > > > > to

> > > > > > their body parts. I made a video of a large one of these in > > my >

> > > next > > > > > > batch of videos. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fiber Teams > >

> > > > > > > > > > Then I had a day of the fibrous things that come in duos >

and > > > > trios, > > > > > > all connected by more cottony threads. These bit

less. I > > > > videotaped

> > > > > > > one of these seemingly trying in vain to help its lesser > half >

> > up > > > > > over > > > > > > the edge of a lint roller sheet. > > > > > > >

> > > > > Red fiber cigars > > > > > > > > > > > > Bad biters. Can make out what

looks to be mouth parts, > anus, > > > leg > > > > > pair > > > > > > (s) > > >

> > > > > > > > > Black filiarisis with nodes > > > > > > > > > > > > Today I am

getting black thready things that still appear > > solid > > > > at > > > > > >

60x and that have what looks like their own nits. Go > figure. > > > This > > >

> >

> is > > > > > > not hair. It looks more like plastic, black plastic. It > also

> > > has > > > > > > nodes, two on the best sample I have collected, that look

> > like > > > > > nits, > > > > > > sort of, or like blobs of the same plastic

soldered onto > the > > > > > plastic- > > > > > > y threads. > > > > > > > > >

> > > What I have found on me before that I haven't seen yet: > > > > > > > > >

> > > The white snakes (WTG suggests a species of silverfish), in > > > some > >

> > > > cases sporting a tube stuck on its side. I have not seen > that > > > >

> enough > > > > > > to be able to hypothesize (aka 'guess') >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The black colembolls > > > > > > > > > > > > Helicopter

bug > > > > > > > > > > > > Carpenter ants > > > > > > > > > > > > Many more

that I can't remember right now, most of which I > > have > > > > > > mentioned

here at one time or another. Will keep you posted. > > > > > > > > > > > > katie

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

[Guest guest]

HI KJ,

I do still use clay once a week. Very good for pulling toxins (and whoever) from

the skin and leaves it very smooth. I also do a full body masque of some type

once a week in addition. I also hit the sauna three time a week. I'm not letting

them get re-established deep in my skin again!

b

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: katiejill109 <kajay109 (DOT) com>

> > > > > > > Subject: This purging process is strangely

> > > > layered

> > > > > > > bird mites

> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 12:56 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As y'all know, my body has been purging critters from the

> > > > various

> > > > > > > layers of tissue. There have been days in between each

> > stage

> > > > when

> > > > > > > nothing came out. Some of those days were " bitey, " some

> > more

> > > > > > mellow.

> > > > > > > I was reminded by Bill ( Doe) that scalding myself in

> > the

> > > > > > shower

> > > > > > > helps reduce biting from that night's and the next day's

> > crop

> > > > of

> > > > > > > evictees.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Observing what has come out of me has been fascinating.

> OK,

> > > no

> > > > > need

> > > > > > > to make fun. I have a (mad) scientific mind, so it's all

> > good!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > White Rubbery Worms

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First things to come out were things I was used to seeing

> > > > anyway,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > cigar and ball shaped grayish white base fibered, black

> > > legged

> > > > > > > critters. These look like they would be the ones to feel

> > like

> > > > > > grains

> > > > > > > of salt, but they aren't. They felt like little rubbery

> > > worms.

> > > > > > These

> > > > > > > rascals bite.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bitey Black Specks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had a day of extremely painful bites from the black

> > specks

> > > as

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > fought me to reenter and bit like h____ when I resisted

> > with

> > > > > strong

> > > > > > > repellents.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Monster fiber critter

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I photographed this next to a coin then went back, made a

> > lot

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > shots, observed movement, figured out I could put my pics

> > > into

> > > > > > > Windows Movie Maker, did that, and posted my first video.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Monster white blobs

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > These look soft, but carry a big bite. They also are the

> > ones

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > feel the spiniest, that is, granular, with sharp

> > crystalline

> > > > > edges

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > their body parts. I made a video of a large one of these

> in

> > > my

> > > > > next

> > > > > > > batch of videos.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fiber Teams

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then I had a day of the fibrous things that come in duos

> > and

> > > > > trios,

> > > > > > > all connected by more cottony threads. These bit less. I

> > > > > videotaped

> > > > > > > one of these seemingly trying in vain to help its lesser

> > half

> > > > up

> > > > > > over

> > > > > > > the edge of a lint roller sheet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Red fiber cigars

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bad biters. Can make out what looks to be mouth parts,

> > anus,

> > > > leg

> > > > > > pair

> > > > > > > (s)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Black filiarisis with nodes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Today I am getting black thready things that still appear

> > > solid

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > 60x and that have what looks like their own nits. Go

> > figure.

> > > > This

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > not hair. It looks more like plastic, black plastic. It

> > also

> > > > has

> > > > > > > nodes, two on the best sample I have collected, that look

> > > like

> > > > > > nits,

> > > > > > > sort of, or like blobs of the same plastic soldered onto

> > the

> > > > > > plastic-

> > > > > > > y threads.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I have found on me before that I haven't seen yet:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The white snakes (WTG suggests a species of silverfish),

> in

> > > > some

> > > > > > > cases sporting a tube stuck on its side. I have not seen

> > that

> > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > to be able to hypothesize (aka 'guess')

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The black colembolls

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Helicopter bug

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Carpenter ants

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many more that I can't remember right now, most of which

> I

> > > have

> > > > > > > mentioned here at one time or another. Will keep you

> posted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > katie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Is the sauna a steam sauna or an infrared sauna?

There is a difference between the two. While both can produce some positive

results, there are benefits from an infrared sauna that you don't have with the

steam sauna, and risks from the steam sauna that you don't get with the infrared

sauna. Those risks include the germs and/or mold that you could be exposed to.

Infrared saunas provide a dry heat that makes you sweat from the inside out. (A

steam sauna works from the outside in.)

If you want to use the steam sauna, you should be able to use it daily for about

a half hour, provided you see good results. If you feel worse, then you might

want to cut back or cut it out altogether and see if you can find an infrared

sauna to try as well.

Patty

>

> my gym has a sauna...this is good for us to use,right ? How long and how often

will it help ?

>

[Guest guest]

This is the wood type that you pour water over a like stove....undertand ?

> >

> > my gym has a sauna...this is good for us to use,right ? How long and how

often will it help ?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I bought my IFR sauna last year on Craigslist.  It was barely used and I paid

$900....Love it! Brynn

[Guest guest]

Sue on the days I dont use the sauna I can feel the difference the following day

in terms of feeling more symptomatic. I worked out this afternoon but because it

looked like it was going to rain and me being the idiot that I am left my laptop

on the deck and couldnt take the chance of it getting wet so I had to rush home.

I'll post how I feel tomorrow.

Dave

>

> Carl,

>

> thanks for all this info, but since it is so individual, i am wondering

> what Dave has to lose by just trying to back off a bit and seeing if his

> symptoms lessen, if nothing else this could tell him that some of what

> he is going thru is " internal " vs. cross contamination, new mold

> exposures, etc.

>

> when we were at dr. rea's he wanted my son doing 20 - 30 minutes maximum

> in the sauna at 140 degrees minimum, with a short workout before, and he

> also had a whole supplement protocol, and bloodwork after every 5 sauna

> sessions to check things like minerals, etc.

>

> We are about to recreate this protocol at home, I think 1X per day is

> enuf, even if it takes longer, because even getting him to do that will

> be a fight (it's too hot, makes me itch, then I have to shower for ever

> afterwards to get my scalp to stop itching and i don't have the energy

> to do that....), and frankly even those short saunas will create detox...

>

> Probably will stretch the blood work out to every 2 weeks and we already

> have him on a supplement protocol, just supposed to add extra minerals

> on sauna days...

>

> Best, Sue

>

> >Sue,

> >

> >Good questions because the sauna treatment is illustrative and it needs

> >to be aggressive to work. " To work " means the stored substances are

> >forced out of the lipid (body fat and cell walls) areas into the blood

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You have symptoms when you sauna but more when you dont?

maybe its also a catch 22.. you sauna, you move toxins.. you stop, you stop one

avenue for getting them out. ??? you need ot keep it going.

you are going to mobilize toxins when you sauna.. and exercise.. if you exercise

then sauna then the sauna may also help move out some of the toxins the exercise

mobilized.

Robin

>

> Sue on the days I dont use the sauna I can feel the difference the following

day in terms of feeling more symptomatic. I worked out this afternoon but

because it looked like it was going to rain and me being the idiot that I am

left my laptop on the deck and couldnt take the chance of it getting wet so I

had to rush home. I'll post how I feel tomorrow.

[Guest guest]

If I dont sauna I dont feel nearly as good the following day. Another thing I've

noticed after I get out of the sauna my skin almost smells musty. It's not my

clothes and certainly not b/o but I can smell my forearm and it actually smells

kind of musty. After about an hour or so the smell goes away until the next time

I use the sauna.

> >

> > Sue on the days I dont use the sauna I can feel the difference the following

day in terms of feeling more symptomatic. I worked out this afternoon but

because it looked like it was going to rain and me being the idiot that I am

left my laptop on the deck and couldnt take the chance of it getting wet so I

had to rush home. I'll post how I feel tomorrow.

>