Re: OT/ Soy Pills (and announcment)

[Guest guest]

Ok, Since I have been off awhile again, first the news. Folks I have found my

soul-mate and am now married.... So my new wife and son are vegetarians and eat

soy as a substitute for meat. Her question is with these facts in mind about

soy, how and what can a person who is a vegetarian eat instead. Is soy the only

alternative or is there something you all can suggest that could help rather

than going on a vegan type diet? I am very familiar with Monsanto so any help

and suggestions would be greatly appreciated as we try to get all this figured

out. Thanks,

Chris...

 

    

 

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From: H <nomorelyme@...>

Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 11:40:53 PM

Subject: Re: [] OT/ Soy Pills

 

Hi Cheri,

I am fairly new to this group. My health issues are not so much mold as

they are Lyme disease. There isn't a soul on my huge Lyme group who

would touch soy. We are all health freaks and have decades of years of

extensive research on health issues.

[Guest guest]

Will your wife eat eggs & dairy? what about pastured eggs, raw milk,

butter & cheese from pastured cows/goats, there is a great grass fed

ghee you can mail order <http://www.pureindianfoods.com/>, i eat meat

but think you can get enough good protein & fat from eggs and dairy.

will she eat fish?

look at weston a price foundation website to learn benefits of good

quality pastured eggs & dairy, and problems w/non fermented soy...

>Ok, Since I have been off awhile again, first the news. Folks I have

found my

>soul-mate and am now married.... So my new wife and son are vegetarians

>and eat

[Guest guest]

Congratulations. Re: soy: These genetically modified seeds get picked up in the

wind and carried to farms that are not purchasing them and contaminating them,

so you can't tell which are genetically modified and which aren't. The way it

is going, probably all will be contaminated by cross contamination. Re: getting

protein without soy. They are guides to eating vegetarian. You have to combine

other foods that have partial proteins to get whole protein in a meal. I have

a guide but don't know where it is now. An well known example is beans and

rice..dish you get at most mexican restaurants. Together they make a complete

protein but there are other combinations.

>

> Ok, Since I have been off awhile again, first the news. Folks I have

found my

> soul-mate and am now married.... So my new wife and son are vegetarians and

eat

> soy as a substitute for meat. Her question is with these facts in mind about

> soy, how and what can a person who is a vegetarian eat instead. Is soy the

only

> alternative or is there something you all can suggest that could help rather

> than going on a vegan type diet? I am very familiar with Monsanto so any help

> and suggestions would be greatly appreciated as we try to get all this figured

> out. Thanks,

> Chris...

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Barb. I remember the cross contamination of fields from a documentory

called " Food INC " . Ill have to review it again with her although she has been

doing this awhile and does very well. Clearly the goal is to get away from the

GMOs period. If you think of the name of the book let me know. We will do some

research today I am certain. Again, Thanks.

Chris... 

From: barb b w <barb1283@...>

Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 8:02:20 AM

Subject: [] Re: OT/ Soy Pills (and announcment)

 

Congratulations. Re: soy: These genetically modified seeds get picked up in the

wind and carried to farms that are not purchasing them and contaminating them,

so you can't tell which are genetically modified and which aren't. The way it is

going, probably all will be contaminated by cross contamination. Re: getting

protein without soy. They are guides to eating vegetarian. You have to combine

other foods that have partial proteins to get whole protein in a meal. I have a

guide but don't know where it is now. An well known example is beans and

rice..dish you get at most mexican restaurants. Together they make a complete

protein but there are other combinations.

[Guest guest]

Hey Sue, I know she will and does eat fish. Her dairy intake has been those of

soy soy products so that could be great information to follow up on. I also have

pretty much cut dairy since I seem to have become lactose intolerant since my

exposure. I have often wondered if a pure fresh supply of real milk, real grass

fed meats etc. would help that. I know the meat thing is confuseing to me since

our bodies were not really designed to digest red meat, I still like it. I will

have her look at this and let you know what we find out. Thanks a million Sue.

Chris...

 

    

 

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From: sue <svican@...>

Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 10:37:11 PM

Subject: Re: [] OT/ Soy Pills (and announcment)

 

Will your wife eat eggs & dairy? what about pastured eggs, raw milk,

butter & cheese from pastured cows/goats, there is a great grass fed

ghee you can mail order <http://www.pureindianfoods.com/>, i eat meat

but think you can get enough good protein & fat from eggs and dairy.

will she eat fish?

look at weston a price foundation website to learn benefits of good

quality pastured eggs & dairy, and problems w/non fermented soy...

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[Guest guest]

chris, raw milk definitely more digestible than homogenized,

pasteurized, ultrs...

grass fed meats and fats great for you in moderation

stay away from all processed and factory farmed meats, chickens, eggs,

etc. a horror...

sue

>Hey Sue, I know she will and does eat fish. Her dairy intake has been

>those of

>soy soy products so that could be great information to follow up on. I

>also have

>pretty much cut dairy since I seem to have become lactose intolerant

since my

>exposure. I have often wondered if a pure fresh supply of real milk,

>real grass

>fed meats etc. would help that. I know the meat thing is confuseing to

>me since

>our bodies were not really designed to digest red meat, I still like it.

>I will

>have her look at this and let you know what we find out. Thanks a

million Sue.

>Chris...

> 

[Guest guest]

The list of foods to substitute for meat to get protein, is not specific to any

one book, they are guidelines to how to eat vegetarian style and still get

complete proteins in your diet. The list can be gotten from various source,

maybe even the american dietetic association, or some vegetarian group. I

believe one is grains and beans, is one combination that works...that would

include the rice and beans mentioned, so could be other types of grains combined

with beans. I just don't know what the other ones are, about three or four of

them. I'll try to find them.

>

> Thanks Barb. I remember the cross contamination of fields from a documentory

> called " Food INC " . Ill have to review it again with her although she has been

> doing this awhile and does very well. Clearly the goal is to get away from the

> GMOs period. If you think of the name of the book let me know. We will do some

> research today I am certain. Again, Thanks.

> Chris... 

>

[Guest guest]

Strict vegetarisns do not normally eat dairy products. Most vegetarians I know

use beans/legumes as a source of protein. I think that raw, organic soybeans

that are in their natural state are acceptable. Its the prcessed soy that is the

new concern. Rice and beans are what I ate when I was a strict vegetarian. I

still eat no red meat but do eat organic poultry and some fresh caught seafood.

And Chris...congratulations! Diane

>

> Will your wife eat eggs & dairy? what about pastured eggs, raw milk,

> butter & cheese from pastured cows/goats, there is a great grass fed

> ghee you can mail order <http://www.pureindianfoods.com/>, i eat meat

> but think you can get enough good protein & fat from eggs and dairy.

> will she eat fish?

> look at weston a price foundation website to learn benefits of good

> quality pastured eggs & dairy, and problems w/non fermented soy...

>

>

>

>

> >Ok, Since I have been off awhile again, first the news. Folks I have

> found my

> >soul-mate and am now married.... So my new wife and son are vegetarians

> >and eat

>

[Guest guest]

Hello there, there is a world of proteins beyond meat and soy awaiting your

wife, including quinoa (as complete a protein as any meat), peanut butter, and

good old rice and beans. I would suggest the book Becoming Vegan or Becoming

Vegetarian (both are by a registered dietician, Davies), as well as Eat

to Live, and the resources vegsource.com and vegfamily.com. It used to be

believed that you had to combine proteins in a meal (a classic example is,

again, rice and beans) so that you get a complete protein (with all the amino

acids), but it is now believed that simply by eating plant-based proteins

throughout the day, one will get sufficient protein. In fact, it's thought to be

virtually impossible not to get enough protein.

The concerns with all-veg now are basically B-12 (easy to get through sublingual

tablets), calcium, and DHA. Good luck!

On Oct 12, 2010, at 10:22 PM, <unitedstatesvet@...> wrote:

Ok, Since I have been off awhile again, first the news. Folks I have found my

soul-mate and am now married.... So my new wife and son are vegetarians and eat

soy as a substitute for meat. Her question is with these facts in mind about

soy, how and what can a person who is a vegetarian eat instead. Is soy the only

alternative or is there something you all can suggest that could help rather

than going on a vegan type diet? I am very familiar with Monsanto so any help

and suggestions would be greatly appreciated as we try to get all this figured

out. Thanks,

Chris...

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From: H <nomorelyme@...>

Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 11:40:53 PM

Subject: Re: [] OT/ Soy Pills

Hi Cheri,

I am fairly new to this group. My health issues are not so much mold as

they are Lyme disease. There isn't a soul on my huge Lyme group who

would touch soy. We are all health freaks and have decades of years of

extensive research on health issues.

[Guest guest]

Oops I didn't see this--if she does eat fish, no need to worry about DHA and

B12. Is she allergic to dairy or intolerant? I'm allergic to the casein protein

myself.

On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:34 AM, <unitedstatesvet@...> wrote:

Hey Sue, I know she will and does eat fish. Her dairy intake has been those of

soy

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[Guest guest]

My dairy intolerance stemmed from gluten intolerance. After avoiding gluten for

awhile dairy was ok... but so mmany say it's not healthy anyway.

>

> Hey Sue, I know she will and does eat fish. Her dairy intake has been those of

> soy soy products so that could be great information to follow up on. I also

have

> pretty much cut dairy since I seem to have become lactose intolerant since my

> exposure. I have often wondered if a pure fresh supply of real milk, real

grass

> fed meats etc. would help that. I know the meat thing is confuseing to me

since

> our bodies were not really designed to digest red meat, I still like it. I

will

> have her look at this and let you know what we find out. Thanks a million Sue.

> Chris...

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> From: sue <svican@...>

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> Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 10:37:11 PM

> Subject: Re: [] OT/ Soy Pills (and announcment)

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>  

> Will your wife eat eggs & dairy? what about pastured eggs, raw milk,

> butter & cheese from pastured cows/goats, there is a great grass fed

> ghee you can mail order <http://www.pureindianfoods.com/>, i eat meat

> but think you can get enough good protein & fat from eggs and dairy.

> will she eat fish?

> look at weston a price foundation website to learn benefits of good

> quality pastured eggs & dairy, and problems w/non fermented soy...

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks AN. I will be interested to read these also as it always sounded so hard

to get protein in a vegetarian diet, matching up foods, etc.

>

> Hello there, there is a world of proteins beyond meat and soy awaiting your

wife, including quinoa (as complete a protein as any meat), peanut butter, and

good old rice and beans. I would suggest the book Becoming Vegan or Becoming

Vegetarian (both are by a registered dietician, Davies), as well as Eat

to Live, and the resources vegsource.com and vegfamily.com. It used to be

believed that you had to combine proteins in a meal (a classic example is,

again, rice and beans) so that you get a complete protein (with all the amino

acids), but it is now believed that simply by eating plant-based proteins

throughout the day, one will get sufficient protein. In fact, it's thought to be

virtually impossible not to get enough protein.

>

> The concerns with all-veg now are basically B-12 (easy to get through

sublingual tablets), calcium, and DHA. Good luck!

>

[Guest guest]

What about bee pollen as a source of protein? I've heard it is a good source

but don't know where I heard it.

>

> Hello there, there is a world of proteins beyond meat and soy awaiting your

wife, including quinoa (as complete a protein as any meat), peanut butter, and

good old rice and beans. I would suggest the book Becoming Vegan or Becoming

Vegetarian (both are by a registered dietician, Davies), as well as Eat

to Live, and the resources vegsource.com and vegfamily.com.

[Guest guest]

Lentils are a good source of protein along with all the legumes with rice.

Quinoa and Amaranth. Barilla pasta now has multigrain pasta made with lentils,

legumes, quinoa and more that has a good amount of protein in it. Comes in the

yellow box.

I'm also confused on the soy products and would not touch a soy pill and follow

Mercola's info on soy and seems fermented non-GMO is safe. I looked some of that

up months back but seems the fermentation process means fungi. I found non GMO

organic sprouted tofu recently and tried that but still wonder about the

phytoestrogens reacting like estrogens and linked to cancers. I watch Dr. Oz

and he says edamame and tofu ok and I'm sure he means non-GMO organic hopefully

not cross contaminated and mentions the fermented soy products not the processed

soy products. He just had a show on last week about that.

Last year I started eating vegetarian. I eat a lot of nuts and seeds like

walnuts, pitachiois, almonds, pumkin seeds etc. You can add them to salads and

veggie stir frys and eat them raw or add to smoothies. I eat natural peanut

butter, eggs and cheese, multigrains, oatmeal etc.

Veggies also have some protein.

Congratulations Chris! Rhonda

>

> .. So my new wife and son are vegetarians and eat

> soy as a substitute for meat. Her question is with these facts in mind about

> soy, how and what can a person who is a vegetarian eat instead. > Chris...

>

[Guest guest]

I defiantly want to look at this and will show her. Looks like I have to do

about the same or something near it thanks to my latest blood work.

Sorry it took so long to say thanks, geeze it has been crazy busy.... Thanks

again for everyones input.

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From: Advocate_Now <advocate_now@...>

" " < >

Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 1:29:43 PM

Subject: Re: [] OT/ Soy Pills (and announcment)

 

Hello there, there is a world of proteins beyond meat and soy awaiting your

wife, including quinoa (as complete a protein as any meat), peanut butter, and

good old rice and beans. I would suggest the book Becoming Vegan or Becoming

Vegetarian (both are by a registered dietician, Davies), as well as Eat

to Live, and the resources vegsource.com and vegfamily.com.

[Guest guest]

Hey Rhonda, Long time... That makes alot of sense. I like all of it but the

tofu. I myself just cant get a grip on a plant that has been patented ed but I

suppose there is a way for some people and as long as it is not Monsanto's I

suppose its ok. Anyway thanks and thanks for the info.

Chris...

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From: Bunny <iluvbunnies5262@...>

Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 3:01:45 PM

Subject: [] Re: OT/ Soy Pills (and announcment)

 

Lentils are a good source of protein along with all the legumes with rice.

Quinoa and Amaranth.